New Low? Congress Worried No Cap-n-Trade Means No ‘Climate Aid’ Billions
by Christopher C. Horner
So, if you had any qualms with this article headlined on Drudge as “ GOLDMAN reveals where bailout cash went — overseas banks!“, you might want to check out this one in today’s Environment & Energy Daily (subscription required):
CLIMATE: Lawmakers to ponder U.S. aid commitments without cap-and-trade revenue
With prospects for a broad climate bill nearly dead this year, a House Foreign Affairs subpanel will meet tomorrow to probe how the United States can honor its climate finance commitments to the developing world without cap-and-trade revenue…
The world’s wealthy nations, including the United States, have pledged to raise $100 billion a year by 2020 for climate aid to low-emitting impoverished countries that, through one of climate change’s cruelest twists, are among the most vulnerable to the drought and floods that will accompany global warming.
That pledge, which includes $30 billion in quick-start funding over the next three years, was one of the most tangible successes of last December’s U.N. climate summit. The deal was critical in winning over many developing nations to sign onto the Copenhagen Accord, sparing the United Nations and President Obama a total fiasco in Denmark.
However, how this money will be raised remains very much in doubt in the United States, especially with the failure this year of comprehensive climate legislation. Both the House’s Waxman-Markey bill and the Senate’s Kerry-Lieberman bill shunted portions of their cap-and-trade revenue toward international climate aid.
Without this money, it will be extremely difficult to raise significant climate funds, wrote Michael Levi, senior fellow for energy and the environment at the Council on Foreign Relations, on his blog.
“Raising [the funds] without cap-and-trade will almost certainly be impossible,” he wrote. “If others conclude from the current debacle that cap-and-trade is permanently dead in the United States, Washington will be in for a rough ride at the climate talks in Cancun in December.”
Oh. Well. We wouldn’t want that. If we can avoid people being mean to the State Department because those stingy American taxpayers won’t give them enough money, we should, at (apparently) all costs.
But, still… is it unfair to ask whether causing our “electricity rates [to] necessarily skyrocket” is enough, given how this will send tens of thousands or more jobs overseas? Or, was President Obama lying when he said that was his goal, along with “bankrupt[ing]” politically (Rather, ideologically) disfavored industries and “rais[ing] billions of dollars” (wow…lots of billions) to underwrite his social experimentation?
Anyway, there doesn’t seem to be much reason for China, Mexico, and State Department negotiators eager for their December Cancun junket to worry. John Kerry has the solution. Once they’re no longer accountable to the voters — but more concerned about securing the ambassadorship to Bermuda, etc. — they’ll feel more liberated to steal your freedoms and bankrupt America.
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That is what the global waming CON was all about. The EU wanted the U.S.A. to bail them out of thier Socialist mess. The global warming CON stopped all the money they were going to get. They just want our money. MARIXTS=DEMOCRATS=TERRORIST All the same ask the tax cheats in Washington D.C..
"… how the United States can honor its climate finance commitments…"
Does anyone else out there care whether we can give away $100 BILLION to third world countrys? I certainly don't! American families are busting their butts to syay afloat and these elitist, corrupt pols want to take our tax dollars and give them away! Blood Bath in November! Can't happen soon enough!
BTW- I don't recall anyone but Hillary making a promise to any one for money. Who elected her Emperor?
They don't need to actually raise revenue to pay for anything! That's what those handy printing presses at Treasury are for, and if that doesn't work, we'll just get China to pay for it.
Wonderful.
Let Americans' electricity bills "necessarily skyrocket" to send those dollars to foreign lands like Zimbabwe who will certainly squander the cash.
"Dear Britain: Life the Ban on Michael Savage!"
Better question would be, "How can the United States honor any of its finanacial commitments if we go as deeply into debt as is projected?"
"Dear Britain: Life the Ban on Michael Savage!"
Cap and Trade = Let's Pick your Pocket
98 days people … 98 days
Brad, aharris, as usual, has hit the answer to that question on the head. DC is so out of touch with America that they actually think that "climate finance commitments" are an important topic of discussion. SICK!
I feel like a kid waiting for Christmas.
This congress and administration is totally off the rails now,they think they can do whatever they want,one more way to loot the public coffer.
Cap and Trade has always been and always will be about redistribution of wealth and collapsing the US economy to "get even" with those rich, greedy Americans. The fundamental transformation of America by a marxist so as to impoverish us while enriching themselves while looking like they are "helping" the Third World. That is the goal of Obama and every marxist in the US.
Make no mistake, this all part of the redistributive policy of Barry and his minions, too make the world more fair. Now if we could just get the third world to quit pissing in their drinking water?
Zimbabwe won't squander all the cash,some of it will find it's way back into the pockets of these crooks we have in congress,then they will squander it on new cars,houses,trips,hey,if they buy houses,cars ect ect ect that will put the money back into the economy,so what started out a crime could be justified,wow,I'm starting to think like a liberal,thats scarry.
Why would any sane person keep giving money to a continent that doesn't appreciate it and continues to squander it. No matter how much we send to Africa, they are no better off today than they were before we started.
I also don't get why someone would volunteer to help a bunch of ingrates that only want to kill you for your efforts. France has their panties in a wad now because one of their countrymen was beheaded in Africa by some MOOOSLIM group while he was there volunteering to help with their pitiful conditions. Are we beginning to see a pattern here?
A lot of these Senators, Clinton's, Al Gore, et al. are positioned to be the recipients of all this Cap and Trade money. They have been working setting up companies overseas.
These companies recieve grant money, and then they hire folks to plant little trees and pay them $7 to $8 a day, while they rake in $Billions. These climate cons are not going down easy, stay vigilant.
http://gogreentravelgreen.com/green-travel-101/be...
Me too! I smile at the thought of another day closer! Like a kid getting ready to go to the candy store as well as Christmas!
Did someone mention Christmas? : )
Start to put fine tips on your Pitchforks,
97 1/2 days till the doom of the Libtards.
alGore went to Copenhagen to chase women. Next up Mexico City.
I guess the greenie weenies won't get their punitive taxation so soon.
Obama no longer needs Cap and Trade. His EPA has indicated that they will regulate with or without Congressional approval. Congress has handed so much of their authority to the executive branch that they have become nearly irrelevant. Woodrow Wilson began the process of transferring congressional authority to the executive branch by hiring elitist progressive bureaucrats decades ago,persuading the legislative branch to "just trust me" and transfer their regulatory authority to more and more unelected bureaucrats, and now, the "fundamental transformation" is now virtually complete!
No one is talking about the impact of this new energy regulation on food production. As a grain trader, I will tell you that the ag community is gravely concerned. Did you know they plan to take up to 60 million acres of cropland out of production? Did you know that the higher cost of diesel fuel will significantly decrease domestic food production with higher fuel and fertilizer costs?
The leading grain analyst in the USA told me that within a few years, the US will "fundamentally transform" from the world's largest producer of food to a net IMPORTER of food! Millions of Americans will starve, just as happened under other collectivist regimes worldwide over the past century. I hope you all have a garage filled with food. You're soon going to need it!
I love your new avatar Randy! I am counting too!
This is another example of our Government officials secretly selling us down the river by giving our taxes to foreign statists.
Our ruling class subverting our tax dollars to their ruling class friends overseas in order for them to subsidize their socialist failures.
American social engineers masquerading as scientists telling ruling class elitists that America owes underdeveloped countries our tax dollars because they will fare poorly as the earth climate changes.
This is a disease of the mind and arrogant men are making money hand over fist as they dole out our dollars.
Its like that commercial where the guy steals the eggs from the basket saying…"Egg handing fee"
They are enriching themselves with our hard work and tax dollars while they also empower themselves as the friend of those who steal from us.
America…you continue to vote for this…Anyone voting democrat should be ashamed of themselves. You are useful idiots not to say Republican (RINOs) are any better.
I liked his old one too, it made me laugh. : )
I have the solution!!!
All the foreign banks that got OUR stimulus $billions can redistribute that to climate aid! Just think of all the children these foreign banks could save (and baby seals and polar bears).
LOL, they are all bought and paid for so it makes no difference to them.
http://www.anonymous-surfing.es.tc
So Obama promised the rest of the world billions of dollars to help redistribute the wealth, and wanted to use cap and trade taxes to pay for it. Maybe he shouldn't be forcing us to give money to the rest of the world. If we cut our foreign aid in half, we could start to work on cutting our deficits! For America, cap and trade was only a device to force us into expensive technologies that are not self sustaining anyway.
From the article:
"The world’s wealthy nations, including the United States, have pledged to raise $100 billion a year by 2020 for climate aid to low-emitting impoverished countries that, through one of climate change’s cruelest twists, are among the most vulnerable to the drought and floods that will accompany global warming".
If the worlds poor countries got a healthy dose of Capitalism instead of economic welfare, perhaps they would not be "poor nations" in 25 years..
.Honest, uncorrupted leaders would help too….Funny…
And what is cape and trade? It's EXTORTION!!!
As I was eating my steak from a disposible fork made from corn and pondering exactly how many poor people were unable to get food because of my fork, I wondered what sort of idiocy we would be forced to submit to next. A pledge? In govt-speak, we cannot afford to continue the "Bush" tax cuts, keep our police/firemen/teachers, subsidize all of the other leech-supporting programs (which are better administrated by the private sector), but it important we send the fruits of our labors to support efforts opposing the interests of our country?
By the way, the wording "we cannot afford tax cuts" is a miserable bastardiztion of the intent of a budget. The tax money is income to them, not outgo. If we say we cannot afford something, in the real world the statement applies the spending side. It is not the politicians' money, it is yours and mine.
Oakridge National Laboratory has been tasked with the job of figuring out how much carbon dioxide our
farms emit.
Using satellite remote sensing computer models and high resolution national inventory data-sets to pin-
point ag-based carbon emissions.
So NASA is tasked with Muslim promotion and Oakridge is tasked with inventing a way to put US farmers
out of business. I could write a book on this, but I will spare ya'll. Wake Up AMERICA !
WHAT A FREAKIN BIZARO WURLD ???
found this info @farmfuters.com
also report re. g.r.e.e.n-peace pressuring meatpackers in Brazil
to suspend purchases from certain producers who operate
near Amaz.
Unaccountable liars and thieves who will walk away scott free leaving Americans holding the bag. Until government corruption is afforded stiff prison sentences there will be zero trust in Washington.
It is exciting, isn't it.
I gave my more reasonable brother a copy of "The 5000 Year Leap". Maybe that will help. I am doing my part while visiting here in the mid-valley.
sb, excellent observation re. ag issues. I commented before reading yours, but perhaps two of
us with our 'hair on fire' won't be overkill. The piece I read at ff.com on g.r.e.e.n.-peace in Brazil
raises the question, how will their possible success affect US Beef?
I implore BG readers to read agriculture related news, as it gives one a big-pic view of the world
economic status. Still mostly straight old fashioned reportage, with opinion pieces clearly denoted.
Cap & Tax scheme is designed to REDISTRIBUTE Americas wealth to third world countries. Those same countries will not care about the environment ( see China, India) they will continue on the path they are on. It's America, the land of the free that must be punished for our freedoms (see Al Whore). NO TAX WILL RIGHT THE ENVIRONMENT and to think it will make a dent, is to be either a fool or a LIAR. Watch out America there're coming for your pocket book, and then they'll raise your gas prices on purpose, (see the Muslim in the White House). We have TYRANTS trying to rule over America (see Nancy Pelosi). The people need to get control on our country again because if left unchecked any longer, we will lose all our freedoms and have to have the Government tell us what we can and can't do. Talk to Nancy…
Hey Red- I see you made it to Oregon. I hope that you enjoy your time here. And good luck with your quest. We both know that you have your work cut out for you!
Just call them what they are, COMMIECRATS.
Everytime I see a picture of Kerry, I pull back the bolt of an imaginary rifle. What's that all about?
Even if we are starving I think we would still have grain and subsidies for ethanol.
The haves-producers give to the have nots-no industry so no production–likely socialist and dictator nations.
My father always joked when I was growing up that "given enough time government will tax the water you drink and the air you breathe…", I never imagined he'd be proven 100% right in his lifetime.
This is going to lead to food prices so high you'll need a wheelbarrow filled with hundred dollar bills to buy bread, in time this will lead to a massive famine in the US.
Interestingly we are converting a massive portion of our grain production for food into ethanol production for cars at the same time, how convenient.
Mao would be ever so proud of his protege' Obama…
Most of the sub-Saharan African countries fall into this category.
Zimbabwe is a glaring example
I am thinking he can be "saved". My opther brother is about to be hit with a dichotomy in his "vision". If corporations and rich people are so evil and his big govt solution is the good, why is Soros funding the Marxist agenda?
So far, loving the visit.
Why don't we just cash in on our past investment to the DOE, EPA, and ONL, after all we have been funding them to get us off of foreign oil now for decades…don't they have any solutions yet?
Oh I see they actually do, they have a road map that we can use, a road map that actually strengthens the existing grid and pays for itself with lower energy cost. Now why aren't we following this road map already–because there is no money for big utilities, big tech and wall street, no big funding to those industries for their smart meters and smart grids.
The major findings of the National CHP Vision and Roadmap process include the
following:
• CHP is a win-win-win solution for energy users, energy and equipment suppliers,
and society-at-large and produces measurable national benefits for energy efficiency,
environmental protection, and economic growth.
• The potential for expanding the use of CHP in the U.S. is enormous. While CHP
plays an important role today, expansion possibilities exist in virtually every sector
of the economy, particularly industrial plants, commercial buildings, federal
facilities, and district energy systems."
"CHP can avoid 60% of the potential growth in carbon dioxide emissions between 2006 and 2030"
"CHP and distributed energy allow the grid to function more efficiently. CHP systems are among the most efficient heat and power generating systems available, in many cases approaching 80 percent efficiency, thus reducing energy costs to the consumer and emissions to the environment "
EPA List of Benefits of CHP
*CHP plays an important role in meeting the United States' energy needs as well as in reducing the environmental impact of power generation, including:
*Efficiency Benefits: CHP requires less fuel to produce a given energy output, and avoids transmission and distribution losses that occur when electricity travels over power lines.
Reliability Benefits : CHP can be designed to provide high-quality electricity and thermal energy to a site regardless of what might occur on the power grid, decreasing the impact of outages and improving power quality for sensitive equipment.
Environmental Benefits: Because less fuel is burned to produce each unit of energy output, CHP reduces air pollution and greenhouse gas emissions.
Economic Benefits : CHP can save facilities considerable money on their energy bills due to its high efficiency and can provide a hedge against unstable energy costs.
Bizaor wurld indeed,
Why don't we just cash in on our past investment to the DOE, EPA, and ONL, after all we have been funding them to get us off of foreign oil now for decades…don't they have any solutions yet?
Oh I see they actually do, they have a road map that we can use, a road map that actually strengthens the existing grid and pays for itself with lower energy cost. Now why aren't we following this road map already–because there is no money for big utilities, big tech and wall street, no big funding to those industries for their smart meters and smart grids.
The major findings of the National CHP Vision and Roadmap process include the
following:
• CHP is a win-win-win solution for energy users, energy and equipment suppliers,
and society-at-large and produces measurable national benefits for energy efficiency,
environmental protection, and economic growth.
• The potential for expanding the use of CHP in the U.S. is enormous. While CHP
plays an important role today, expansion possibilities exist in virtually every sector
of the economy, particularly industrial plants, commercial buildings, federal
facilities, and district energy systems."
"CHP can avoid 60% of the potential growth in carbon dioxide emissions between 2006 and 2030"
"CHP and distributed energy allow the grid to function more efficiently. CHP systems are among the most efficient heat and power generating systems available, in many cases approaching 80 percent efficiency, thus reducing energy costs to the consumer and emissions to the environment "
EPA List of Benefits of CHP
*CHP plays an important role in meeting the United States' energy needs as well as in reducing the environmental impact of power generation, including:
*Efficiency-Benefits: CHP requires less fuel to produce a given energy output, and avoids transmission and distribution losses that occur when electricity travels over power lines.
Reliability-Benefits: CHP can be designed to provide high-quality electricity and thermal energy to a site regardless of what might occur on the power grid, decreasing the impact of outages and improving power quality for sensitive equipment.
Environmental-Benifits: Because less fuel is burned to produce each unit of energy output, CHP reduces air pollution and greenhouse gas emissions.
Economic-Benefits: CHP can save facilities considerable money on their energy bills due to its high efficiency and can provide a hedge against unstable energy costs.
Obozo — Giving away American worker's wealth worldwide, everyday.
And what will Americans do? Tune in November 3 for an update.
And all for a hoax …
Just to add a little fuel to the fire.
"The Council of Foreign Relations is the American Branch of a society which originated in England and believes national boundaries should be obliterated and one-world rule established."
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Counci...
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44...
As to scarry kerry, we can classify him as an obama wannabe. Just google "john kerry socialist: and enjoy the reads.
Now, hopefully, we have a better understanding of just who is driving the cart pushing this fiasco
“A man's got to do what a man's got to do”.
Don't forget, the Acorn people are already sitting on their busses cuz they have nothing else to do.
Tell 'em we lied.
You are correct. Every day this President destroys and hinders our freedom. He pimps for Muslims as he takes away America's wealth. It is TREASON.
Missy, first off thanks for the follow. As a father of two grown daughters I am glad to see you recognize the wisdom of an old man. My oldest one tells me that the older she gets the smarter I get. I tell her I was smart all along, it just took a little bit of the real world to make he realize I wasn't as dumb as she thought I was. LOL
Actually, like most young people, I made my share of stupid mistakes, but I think the same goes for all self supporting freedom loving people, the light comes on pretty quick when you realize that you are the only one responsible for yourself and your family and you can't be stupid for very long if you're going to make it in this world. For some reason that light never seems to come on in the liberal brain.
I think they're still thinking of implementing a per head tax on meat animals, too. After all, they fart out methane.
Never forget the old adage "most kids start out as idealistic liberals in life but then they hit thirty five and grow up…" this quote is ever truer today.
Unfortunately too many kids are being brainwashed into lifelong communism now just as Lenin once said: "Give me your children for eight years and I will make them communists for life…"
We need to make kids understand the wisdom that only comes from a life of experience and struggles, they have been lied to and sold the "old people are taking from the kids meme" bill of goods.
This must end.
No. They are heading to Arizona to protest our law!
Exactly! That tax rhetoric has been royally ticking off for days now. You don't "buy" a tax cut; you cut spending. When I hear that I can only think of people whining that they can't afford to not get a pay raise. Of course, you can, it's called making cuts in your budget.
Do like CA and send the rent seekers an IOU! Make our annual UN contribution with one also.
They can tax energy and still have a plan to do just that, even though Vegas has to be one of the most energy intensive cities in the world, after all it is located in a desert.
The add is worth watching even if ya don't want to donate, let dirty Harry defend his energy tax to Nevada
Send Harry Reid a message by helping us get this ad on the air in Nevada. Make a donation using the form below today! https://www.americansolutions.com/donateenergytax...
The first thing we really need to do is get more parents to home school their kids and put an end to the 'indoctrination warehouse complex' of the leftist radical unions.
The second thing we need is to tell the truth about America and restore history by destroying political correctness.
The third thing we need to do is instill a strong faith within them, doesn't necessarily require a belief in God, just a higher power.
The fourth thing we need to do is build up their self esteem through personal achievements and refuse to accept 'participation trophies' for mediocrity.
Fifth make them understand that it is always okay to ask a family member or a neighbor for help when it is actually needed and teach them that charity comes from within and not for government.
Finally teach them that family is the first form of government and when governments begin to refer to you as 'their family' they mean to destroy your family.
How did I do?
“This is my opinion; I’m not speaking for the Administration. . The rich are not paying their fair share in any nation that is facing the kind of employment issues [America currently does] — whether it's individual, corporate or whatever [kind of] taxation. . Brazil has the highest tax-to-GDP rate in the Western Hemisphere and guess what — they're growing like crazy. And the rich are getting richer, but they're pulling people out of poverty. There is a certain formula there that used to work for us until we abandoned it, to our regret in my opinion. " ~Hillary Clinton ~
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN28291897
Brazil has sugar based ethanol which is an actual solution in countries that have an extended growing season–we actually use tariffs to raise the price of imported sugar to protect the ethanol industry that we then further subsidize @.54 cents per gallon.– and Brazil is now a net exporter of crude oil.
~sorebird~
I'm sure your dad is very proud of you, sounds like he did a good job in getting the message across. I like it when you and TexasStomp get on a rant, you two can sure bring it!
All of the points you made are pretty much the core of what I taught my two girls. I also raised them like boys to a certain extent. They need to act like a lady but also don't take shit off of anyone, get an education and be self-relient. If you got a man it's because you want him, not because you need him, and if he lays a hand on you kick his ass to the curb and get you another one.
"I pull back the bolt of an imaginary rifle."
Hey, that's what Kerry did during during the Vietnam war!
Self reliance, self governance and self determination are the keys of a successful life.
These must be restored.
It sounds like you have done a great job with your girls and they will live happier lives thanks to your tutelage.
They must pass it on when the time comes.
Global warming is a fraud and crime against humanity. They lie. Here's just one proven lie, and there are many more:
– in 1989 they removed 75% of the global thermometer data from the global avg. temp calculations. They willfully removed the colder ones in higher latitudes and mountain locations. Viola, in 1990, they declared the Earth looked like it was warming. They cheating only got worse from there.
Maurice Strong, a Soros-type UN globalist figure, is on audio tape meeting planning the whole thing with elites. It's all about the money, natch. Nobody thought he'd be able to pull it off at the time. Strong now lives safely in China in a protective compound.
Of course it's true, because you can't possibly make this stuff up.
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Already started, my oldest has a 5 year old son and he and I are BBF's, Best Bud's Forever. He said we can't be BFF's because that's a girl thing and we don't want to be sissies. Gotta love the honesty of a 5 year old !!
In fact, that's where I got my avatar from. He figured out his mom's computer had a camera built in and he could do all kind of cool stuff with the pictures and then send them to everyone in mommy's e-mail. Scary ain't it ?
Well Oregon,
Don't that picture up top pretty much say it all? When was the last time YOU went surf sailin one of your many vacations, in the waters in front of YOUR PRIVATE BEACH RESORT paid for by your VERY RICH SPOUSE?
I kind see how maybe us "common folk" would have trouble with this whole, WE NEED TO BUY INDIA'S CO2 so Kerry, owlgore and the Clintons can git richer on the Carbon Exchange SCAM, HUH.
Yup…..Joe the plumber's gonna have a problem with that deal. A lot of Joe the Plumbers are. We'll get our turn to "weigh in" on the matter in Nov. Frankly I wouldn' t miss that for the world or Kerry's beachfront mansion.
Kids have a natural thirst for knowledge and immutable truth, the 'indoctrination warehouse complex' is designed to drive it out of them.
I have firmly put my foot down with my nieces and nephews and told them if they ever support socialism that I will cut them off at the knees financially.
Kids love their toys, especially teenagers and that is when they become the most vulnerable to the trappings of 'free crap' and when they are most susceptible to the leftist ideology.
I know it sounds harsh but it is effective and we need for more parents to use this tool to get through to them before the radicals do.
She is scary. We need Robin Hood or William Wallace.
You are correct on that, the only thing that scares me is with my wife and both daughters working in the local school system I see and hear first hand about the dumb shit that parents do and say when it comes time to their little precious ones. It's sad to say but a lot of the problem is it's hard to expect the kids to turn out right when you have idiots raising them.
So many people in this country have turned the responsiblity of raising their kids over to the state that it isn't funny. While I am forever an optimist, my biggest fear is that so many people have been indoctrinated over the last 40 years or so that we have a huge mountain to climb. All we can do is keep delivering the message and hopefully we'll win out in the end.
Life is just a bowl of cherries for them, isn't it? They must be so gourged by now that the inevitable digestive "troubles" will soon kick in. : -)
Dead on brother!
The Constitution gives the Senate the power to approve, by a two-thirds vote, treaties made by the executive branch. What treaty was submitted for Senate ratification, when was it approved by a 2/3rds vote?
Part of me hopes one of Obama's regulatory agencies overplays and implements policy without Congressional authority.
Americans will clearly see the abuse of power at the expense of liberty. It will mean that "dictatorship by appointed political hacks and bureaucrats" ends. The EPA is at the top of my list of agencies to be hit with the "budget-cutting" axe along with the Department of Education.
Damn sorebird, I almost grasp your cause after reading this post. After trying to understand
it for 6 months, I finally nearly got enough info from this reply to have an inkling.
Intended to reply to your reply to my post below, but my reply box won't open now?????
I'm curious as to how this chp technology could be applied on farm applications?
thanks for the link.
do we know what companies our famous lieberals have invested with? or do they protect their privacy by running the money through somebody else?
1comp
I had to look it up too…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cogeneration
"Wheelbarrow filled with hundred dollar bills to buy bread",…………..welcome aboard the famine train.
Don't worry about ethanol production using up food supplies though, currently that is a false fear, and
in our future predicament we will not be traveling sufficiently to need ethanol for internal combustion.
However for internal consumption, now we just might want to consider ethanol for that use. Much
cheaper than vodka/gin/tequila. ?:-D
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And it doesn't matter if they do get caught lying. They'll just hide behind the excuse they intended to do good.
I like the photo of Herman Munster sailboarding. His mommy, Mrs. Heinz bought it for him. He likes it a lot. He fell twice learning and got two Purple Hearts.
His next mission will be to convince China and India to join in the environmental ruse.
Don't worry bird, grain and ethanol subsidies will go away about the same time social security recipi-
ents are subject to means testing, causing anyone who owns so much as a modest home to lose, or
have their benefits severely curtailed.
The Eastern Cornbelt will be reforested, the Western Cornbelt will become a prairie landscape once
again, with perhaps enough wheat raised for bread. After almost one hundred years of farming my ancestors land on the TX Hi Plains it will be returned to what was once referred to as the Great Ameri-
can Desert (although it was a tall-grass prairie). The TRANSFORMATION of the Central Valley of CA
has begun. The balance of American Agriculture is just one bad decision away from the same fate.
Question is how will we afford, need, or even apply green energy?
and belch when they regurgitate their cud for further chewing.
The answer is CHP–the majority of CHP is now and would be in the foreseeable future, powered by American natural gas….it can also be, and is, powered by bio-fuel, ethanol, propane, diesel, methane any gas that is currently used as fuel. And much of today's CHP equipment it can be easily converted to burn those fuels in the future.
CHP efficiency is 80% and higher verses 35% of our current utilities with 60-90% fewer emissions.
don't mean to overwhelm everyone but this could explode our political message and we could use it to take back America IMO.
as someone once observed, foreign aid is the process by which poor people in rich countries send money to rich people in poor countries…
bird, what are the regulatory and technical challenges preventing chp's long term viability?
Please describe "'smart devices' to combat peak power loads", and their basic effect on
the residential and commercial consumer of electricity ?
Since the tech is existing, as you say, why are small power co's erecting wind farms
instead of innovating w/chp?
It is not about having a clean environment it is WEALTH RE-DISTRIBUTION ….Make the nasty wealthy western countries pay….whatever..America are you tired of the left yet?
bird, now tell me how to get chp to my locale. I have nat gas available on site presently
running high fuel consumption irrigation engines pulling 1K gpm from 350+ feet. What
horse power will these units produce. We are currently using 100/150 hp elec motors
on some and 400hp NG engines on some. Annual fuel and elec bills would buy most
folks 3K sq' homes in TX.
Where do I go, what do I buy, need practical info. Less words, more info, please!
Farmers are innovators, don't ignore an opportunity for practical application of your equipment.
It takes only one farmer's satisfactory endorsement to start a fire of demand, believe me. We
desperately seek methods to operate more efficiently.
Misdistribution of wealth for sure.
The science is dubious and the taxpayers are tapped out. What more do the politicians need to know?
MuKu:
Uh-oh, third world.
How are your tin-pot tyrants
gonna buy new stuff?
Why don't the politicians, lefty media and Hollywood greenies chip in and save the world. The American people are too busy trying to put food on the table.
The 'Aid' will only line the corrupt pockets of the Turd World's ruling class !!!
Alex Sink, My Cousin, Proposes an Energy Plan for More Expensive Energy
http://www.practicalstate.com/?p=1318
Something the FL GOP can Rally Around and Oppose
Cheers
Maj. Gen.Jerry R Curry (Ret.) Speaks Out On The Obama Eligibility Issue
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO8n4Pij158
Is Kerry wearing a "Life Preserver"? We are required to, by Kerry and his Conquering Cohorts!!!!
We was "snookered", says former American…..
Is that the new Kerry Yacht I've been hearing about all day long?
Mr. Horner,
Have you ever posted an article on this website that wasn't shamelessly meant to promote your book?
BG,
If you know your readers treat you like news, act like a news site, not a over glorified blog or a self promoting ad campaign (WND). It adds nothing to the intellectual debate about where this country is going.
onecornpone,
Call and find out, these guys should be able to give you the answer http://www.pumpsandservice.com/ please let me know what they said, ask if a microturbine would be economical they will give you the KW conversion–horse power.
CHP is 80% efficient when the heat has a purpose OR the operation creates enough waste heat as a bi-product.
Take a house for instance, not enough use for the heat but an apartment complex is big enough to use the heat for ac or the steam for a boiler, Wesco sells the boilers under the brand name Powertherm. A hospital or hotel needs tons of hot water so a microturbine operating with 500-750 degree exhaust temp is at 85% efficiency. A steel mill creates a ton of waste heat….bla bla bla.
Heh …look at Kerry in that picture. His facial expression is that he's riding a 90 foot wave in a hurricane, but there's not a wave in sight.
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