Greens Flip: Senate Cap-and-Trade Bill ‘Not a Serious Proposal’
by Christopher C. HornerThis story in E&EM News PM (subscription required), “Murkowski floats plan to force Senate vote on cap and trade next week”, is spectacular.

Here are the money lines, all noting Sen. Murkowski’s clever plan to simply call the Left on their rhetoric and posing about the Kerry-Boxer cap-and-trade bill S. 1733, a bill that was marked up in the Environment and Public Works Committee in a somber yet urgent November affair, reporting it to the Senate floor and, oh yes, the Copenhagen conference:
“‘Boxer-Kerry is a non-starter, and the amendment — if that’s what it said — it would expose that,’ said Murkowski spokesman Robert Dillon. ‘We obviously don’t want to pass the bill; we’re confident that it would fail.’ Holding a vote on the Kerry-Boxer bill would ’show the sense of the Senate, where it is,’ Dillon said….
‘What she’s trying to do is force Democrats to vote against a bill that is clearly one that is not ripe to be brought to the Senate floor,’ said Daniel Weiss, a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress Action Fund, noting that the bill was intended to be combined with an energy bill aimed at lowering energy costs and spurring investments in technology.
‘This is Lisa Murkowski giving the finger to those who believe we need to reduce global warming pollution because this is not a serious proposal,’ Weiss said.”
Well, that’s not quite what it is, but it does reveal that someone was giving the rest of us the finger all along. And I am more than a little amused to note how the “us” includes not a few fellow travelers in Copenhagen.
Team Soros’s Dan Weiss calls the marked-up, EPW-approved Kerry-Boxer bill, rushed through to impress the Europeans with the Dems’ seriousness of purpose and courageous stance on the precipice of bicameral enactment, ”not a serious proposal.”
Gosh that’s great stuff. And quite a turnaround for our eager green beaver who, when peddling the pose, touted the bill as “another signal to the international community that the U.S. is serious about achievement of real reductions in its global warming pollution.” But, hey, being a green means never having to say you’re sorry. Just ask all of those Third World children who’ve paid the price for the agenda.
Still, no kidding. Nice you finally admit that when it looks like this bill — “marked up” in, and voted out of committee to the floor for quick packaging overseas — looks like it might be something your pals can have held against them in a meaningful way. Something about the prospect of a hanging and how it aids one’s thinking, etc. Or, maybe, it’s just that it’s rather easier to strike a silly pose for some Euro-love (still an epic fail, incidentally) than it is to confront your voters.
What poseurs! he is effectively admitting about a bill reported to the floor as well as publicly and we now know dishonestly hailed, if adding his own touch of absurdity: nothing added by other committees would unring the bell of cap-and-trade — the objective of which our president has admitted is to cause your energy prices to “necessarily skyrocket” and “bankrupt” coal and dependent industries. So they’re reduced to some strange line of saying it’s painful but, you see, we were planning on adding some windmill and pixie dust “green jobs” nonsense to it and suddenly take away the pain (or, well , at least distract from what we’re really doing).
Second, recall and prepare to catalogue the promiscuous use of the line, in promotion of “must act now!” legislative pain, that “hey now…we don’t want EPA to do this!”. It does provide them a nice hard place against which to be pressed: possibly they might be forced to say “but I don’t want Congress to either!” (or they do want that but just not via the bill marked up in and voted out of committee and sold to the Europeans et al. as being really great shakes and almost there…)?
Great stuff. Really. And yet another wonderful exhibit about how seriously to take these people.






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I know the best way to spend the stimulus money. They could send us the money to pay off our debt, mortgages, vehicles and we'll have more than enough to go shopping and the economy will rise.
Of course they think I'm stupid.
It will sure help to have Senator Brown sworn in, heres hoping….
Un-Ring the bell of Cap and Trade?
This type of legislation only exposes progressives further as the worst humanity has to offer.
Their good intentions are based in crony capitalism where investments are predetermined to be profitable. Gore is the example we can all refer to for this phenomenon. Put money in green companies, then force the public to go green, reaping treasure beyond the imagination.
Do the math on residential solar for instance.
First of all, the local utility will not allow you to install enough panels on your roof to cover all your energy needs.
If you did put enough equipment on your roof, it would be cost prohibitive and you would never recoup your investment.
The entire solar energy industry in the US is only existent because the government covers over 50% of the initial costs.
The payback for the costs your do incur take longer than the equipment will last.
Ending coal fired electrical generation plants sounds great, until we find alternative energy costs exponential more.
Gore and Obama can go pound sand.
Murkowski is our girl, but she has a LOT of credibility and JUJU to establish with Alaskans after being handed her seat by her father, we'll see. One thing I guarantee, Alaskans are watching her very closely.
If this:
‘This is Lisa Murkowski giving the finger to those who believe we need to reduce global warming pollution because this is not a serious proposal,’ Weiss said.”
…is true, she's have gone a good part of the distance endearing herself to Independent Alaskans.
and in some areas solar panels would be damaged beyond repair in a year with hail and wind storms thus negating any real savings. Home owners can build small solar panels for emergency use fairly cheaply but they won't run much….
Next time anyone is near Palm Springs or any other large Wind Generator Farm. note how many are not operational… we aren't ready yet.
"Team Soros’s Dan Weiss calls the marked-up, EPW-approved Kerry-Boxer bill, rushed through to impress the Europeans with the Dems’ seriousness of purpose and courageous stance on the precipice of bicameral enactment, ”not a serious proposal.”
Ok. So, WE are to take "those people" serious?
Got it.
Thanks Helldigger
"…exposes progressives further as the worst humanity has to offer.
Their good intentions are based in crony capitalism where investments are predetermined to be profitable. Gore is the example we can all refer to for this phenomenon. Put money in green companies, then force the public to go green, reaping treasure beyond the imagination."
I wish someone could write a fictional account to illustrate this point to the people of America. I bet it would sell millions of copies and open a lot of eyes. Maybe whoever does this could use some variation on my name as, you know, "homage" for promoting this idea?
Oh, wait!…
They try to baffle us with so much bullcrap in hopes we dont' understand what they are talking about. The question is : do they know what they spew out of the side of their mouth?
So to summarize:
1) Worthless scheming bass turds get rich on the backs of middle income workers.
2) Solar technology sucks, isn't worth the money for large scale generation, and is unreliable.
3) Wind turbines suck, aren't worth the money and are unreliable.
4) We will get this shoved up our "collective" @$$ because it makes ignorant fools feel good.
5) We should just shut up and take it because we don't want to hurt anybody's feelings.
Do I have this right? Did I miss anything? I just want to make sure — makes it easier to support our wonderful SAVIOR Obolshevik and his saintly comrades, you see…
As we say in the Global Warming Community (GaWoC): brrrrrrrrrr.
Liberal regressives and environmental jihadists will not be satisfied until we ban the internal combustion engine. They dream of the day the USA looks like a satellite image of North Korea at night.
It would be amazing, possibly an act of God, if we could find a natural resource that we could use to fuel our cars, planes, heat our homes, use to make lubricants, make plastics, make rubber products, make clothing material, etc. Of course we would need some technology from the gods to retrieve such vasts amounts of this heaven on earth. Imagine the benefits to mankind. We could call this magical substance something like…. oil or gas.
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Look out for this one folks. This is only a ploy. They do want this and will do it under cover of darkness if necessary. Keep vigilant.
Sorry Al. Prepare for the kiss of death for your, Kerry and Boxer's fantasy. You will be forever remembered as the environmental Bernie Madoff; just with more zeroes.
It is so nice and overdue for the conservatives to finally call their hand. Go Lisa. You and Bachmann rock!
Government run health care went down in 1994, but now it is back and about to become law. The same will happen with the carbon tax. It's too great a source of power and revenue for the government let it die forever.
But I would Love to fly Air Force One and Pelosi's Jet with Solar Panels and Windmills..NOTHING moves without OIL, even electric vehicles need Lubrication, ANYTHING that moves needs Lubrication=OIL………..
Don't forget Pelosi. She's invested in wind, and T.Boone Pickens. All of this cap and trade nonsense is designed to bankrupt us and profit the pols. Gore is a lying joke. Those released emails made him look the stuttering fool.
Yeah, like everything else they are doing. Open and transparent? Don't want to hear that malarky again either.
Don't call them progressives, call them neo-coms (communists), or liberals, or just demoncrats.
If the ol' KKK "Grand Keagle" or "Grand Cyclops" or whatever West Virginia Sen. Bobby Byrd was tells us that Cap & Trade is dead, but it isn't – kinda sorta' – who can we believe?
Obama?
This is another piece of the Euro-socialist garbage that is intended to rape Western economies to enrich U.N. criminals and third world despots.
Oh ya, and Al "Gulfstream G-5" Gore. What a fatass hypocrite.
The left wants to change our country because, as they maintain, we are not sensitive enough to our fellow man and our enviroment without government enforcing it. It is the ultimate insult. Five minutes watching the horror in Haiti shows me once again that we are the greastest and most generous country on the planet. We are blessed. The Golden Rule is not lost on us. Capitialism comes in handy for these hypocrites when money is needed in tragedies like this, doesn't it? Our generosity is founded in God, our conservative beliefs and values. We can be blessed AND a blessing to others without socialistic mandates. I love this country and all who love it. These people just don't get it, do they?
Plastics and petro chemicals are a massive part of economy. Crab grass and windmills won't replace oil in our lifetime.
This "APG Global Warming" crapolla is a crock.
and most likely no jail time.
Can anyone explain to me what happened? I posted here last night, logged in and everything and now I post and there is nothing in yellow indicating 59p. Just curious.
Don't worry, just drag an electric cord over to my place, I've trap 4 squirrels so far. Bring a hand full of nuts when you come, I'm ready to put my second generator online, just need a few more squirrels.
Disegard. I was somehow logged out.
The Democrats continue to operate in this non-causal world of belief. A belief that their is no public relations price, in shifting position.
As they shift their position. they marvel at our ability to instantly expose their hypocrisy, with viral ferocity.
I thought their climate fraud prophet, Al Gore, invented this internet thing, Yet they have no clue that what is out there, cannot be recalled.
Stunning.
It's George Bush's fault!
Would have been nice to see mention of Climate-Gate. After all, isn't that reason why Cap and Trade is shown to be not only utterly useless, but very harmful to the economy?
Boxer-Kerry. And if that team doesn't scare the hell out of you, nothing will.
You don' think he has given up on bugging Obama and causing all his messes do you? Doggone him anyhow!
You missed the multi-billion dollar racket in the Carbon Indulgences Fr. Al Tetzel is peddling.
Nope, because the Global Warming jalopy's wheels are coming off as we speak. Time (and the climate) are on our side on this one.
Thought I covered it in #1 above.
Not only that, but aren't we in like the 20th year now of "peak oil" ? Don't they keep telling us oil will run out one day, yet, lo-and-behold, here's another 30 billion barrels we "just discovered" …
bingo
I can't tell who's a bigger doofus, Biden or Kerry, but Biden is much more likable.
If they want to force a vote to show everyone where these radical leftist stand on the Tax & Crap Bill, as if we didn't already know by now, I'd feel a lot better about them doing it after/if Scott Brown wins and is sworn in as Massachusetts' newest Senator just to be on the safe side.
The bass turd segment of the Democratic voting population find your comments RAAAAACIST!. We bass turd progressives spend no actual money perpetuating bass turds, but, we biatch about it endlessly, thus you have offended us, and you are racist, for it is said.
(WTH is a bass turd?)
Good job Senator Murkowski!!
Obama and the scum bags in congress want to ram this crap down our throats, why should they be accomodated the time to wrap their sh!t in shiny foil first?
Alinski sez: Hoist them upon their own petard!
Hmm… I give you the benefit of the doubt… I read some of your other posts so I assume you are being sarcastic. As for the bass turd – run the syllables together. Make more sense now? I will keep laughing WITH you, unless you give me a reason to laugh AT you. Sorry if I didn't get it, it IS bed time for me, I have to go to work every Saturday. P&L… Out.
Pickens is a thief anyway, anybody remember "greenmail"? that s.o.b. cost me a great job at a great company (Lear Siegler, Inc.) that he and his cronies bought, divided up and ran into the ground for his personal enrichment, the jobs went overseas, now he cares about the U.S.A.? right. . .
Force the vote? Finally someone with a pulse.
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Sure they know what they're doing and saying. You already know it's about control and power. They'll say or do anything if they think no one is watching and that they can get away with it.
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California leads the way.
What's good for GM!
You've been fooled .
So Were we.
Not anymore!
Does this mean winter is coming back next year? …Drat!
Where is the 'clean coal' Obama promised to the people.
Add:
Few advocates tell you that solar cells degrade over time with reduced output and have many failure modes.
China is the least expensive supplier and is dumping, Most green jobs are actually red.
seems like intense debate has been timing out more lately, i've had to log in on each "big" site separately over the last day or so
Squirrels release methane and carbon dioxide… Prepare to be taxed you right wing nut job teabagger!
NO ELECTRICITY FOR YOU OR ANYONE WHO DOES NOT SUPPORT 0 EMISSIONS!
(or anyone else for that matter.. I wouldn't want to feel guilty about living better than the people in Africa…. or jealous and angry because there are people who do. Everyone must be equal. If that means equally in misery… so be it! )
He promised NO coal…. And he promised to bankrupt the coal industry… You can hear him say it if you like.
http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/11/02/shocking-au...
But on the flip side… we have already lost millions of jobs since this became obummer land… there are only 170 thousand coal miners or so…. The loss of their jobs will be hardly noticed in the scheme of things… well… unless you like having light or heat or electricity…. But those things are for softies… real men cook with heated stares and freeze their kills with icy glares! And the rest of the population can eat MRE's. Refrigeration and fresh vegetables were so last millennium. And meat well MEAT IS MURDER! (Tasty tasty murder but I digress)
Dried Soy and Alge bizkuts for all! Well at least all the government deems not working against the public good by opposing such necessary bills as health care socialization and Co2 elimination. Can't let those teabaggers live and breed, many of them will not abort their children because of so called "Religious beliefs" and they will start to outnumber the right thinking people and freedom minded people are dangerous to the agenda. We will give the biscuits we save to our friends in iran and north korea, who have fallen on hard times economically.
*preceding post may contain a little sarcasm.
Dumping this Bill would do more to help jump start the economy then the 780Bil stimulus could ever hope to accomplish, The sooner businesses can determine future cost the sooner they can start hiring again.. With this and the Health care bill hanging over their heads they can not determine future cost causing them to layoff or sit and wait for the outcome..
The Greens that are screaming the most seam to have the biggest homes and use the most energy, just follow the folks home one day and see for yourselfs.. In fact that would go along way in showing their hypocrisy and not just Al Gore ( we all know his hypocrisy ) I mean everyone that holds the green signs at rallys.. It would be nice to see a blog site compile all of the homes these hypocites have..
Before you ask my home is a 28' x 50' rancher
Talk to any geologist that works for oil company's and 9 times out of 10 they will tell you that all they get paid to do is go around and find oil so the company can lay claim to the site and then cap the well until they really need to extract it. Not only that, but think of all the oil Canada will be able to extract from thier oil-sands project! We aren't even trying to use this technology here yet.
Is the Agitator in Chief willing to sacrifice one of his cherished unions, (Coal Miners Union), in order to demonstrate to the EuroTrash that we're serious bout 'Global Warming Pollution'? And when did it become Global Warming Pollution, anyways? Obviously another term invented by these "Leaders of Conscious". Recent reports now indicate that China has begun rationing energy . Get ready folks, the rationing of energy and our health care is dangerously closer than you think.
I am SO on your side. Maybe my sarcasm was too subtle. I know full well who the bass turds are. I plan to be an active participant in escorting the bass turds out. If I could drop-kick 'em I would, but….
Did you see the electrick car on "Top Gear"?
It's what the future has in store.
We brought our own aircraft to Haiti.
We brought our own stuff!
Way to go Harper!
I sure don"t.
Global warming is obviously a concern, given that humanity has spewed out over 300 cubic miles of CO2… (and that Stephen Hawkings believes it too!)
However, it is a good thing that cap and trade is NOT going to get inacted here in the USA. If it did, there would be no room for the tech fix, the only solution for clean energy, jobs and the future of mankind. Just allow a small carbon tax on the coal industry ONLY IF it was used for the development of automated RE factories here in the USA.
Yes on Solar, No on cap and trade, because it won't do a darn thing to help but to monopolize smaller companies out of business, even make it harder for large RE companies to compete since they, too, need to use a lot of fossils to get started with making billions of mirrors, PV panels and what not.
The TECH FIX would be the development of factories that automate the MASS production of mirrors and PV needed to concentrate sunlight into almost unlimited energy. The LiFePO4 battery also needs such factories as they are the solution to renewable energy storage if made much cheaper since they can be recharged not hundreds, but thousands of times! Obviously, many jobs would be created since it will take thousands of square miles of (mostly already used) land for the install…
makes good sense….so it won't work.
I prefer the term "farking barstids" (with props to the movis Big trouble in little China).
Frankenstein and His Bride.
Here is why America is in trouble, the progressive movement is a satanic movement out to economically destroy us! That is why our government treat Americans like Terrorist and Terrorist like Americans!!! It's the satanic plan to destroy our country! Premier Kruschev of the USSR said this to the UN in the early 60's!!! "WITHOUT FIRING A SHOT, YOUR GRAND CHILDREN WILL BE COMMUNIST (PROGRESSIVES, SATANIST, ETC)! HELLO, AMERICA!!!
LOOKS LIKE WE VOTED "OURSELVES" RIGHT "INTO HELL" AND HE'S (Obama) NOT EVEN AMERICAN BORN!!!
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