ClimateGate: Don’t Know Much About History. Or Climate.
by Christopher C. HornerImagine if a Bush administration official had said this:
“For most of the 200 years since the Industrial Revolution, people were blissfully ignorant of the fact that emissions caused a greenhouse effect. It’s a relatively recent phenomenon.”
That was the Obama administration’s “special envoy for climate change”, Todd Stern. Now, the Industrial Revolution is generally accepted as having begun in or about 1850. And of course Svante Arrhenius famously posited the greenhouse effect hypothesis in 1896 (and as a very beneficial thing, incidentally). So, it’s fair to say that this claim is somewhat off.
But the greenhouse effect is not the same as the modern Left’s claim that economic liberties must be ceded to the state, and economic activity held in check, to avoid Man’s marginal greenhouse gas contribution creating dangerous climate change. That is the recent phenomena, following on the heels of the ill-fated manufactured panic over Man-made global cooling which served as the previous excuse for this agenda. But the ignorance is fairly revealing: it’s not about the climate or the science to these people.
Regardless, the reporter did not correct the administration’s misunderstanding of the science and his editor either did not know or care about the rather detached assertion. It fit the script. But you may be surprised to learn that the paper has not always been so forgiving of misunderstandings of the matter by political officials.
Still, always remember the mantra: it was Bush and his team who were dumb. These guys are really, really smart. Really.
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How can rally really smart people keep doing such dumb dumb things?
I was just thinking about this("Still, always remember the mantra: it was Bush and his team who were dumb. These guys are really, really smart. Really."). I wonder how smart / dumb Qualy really was, and how he would fit in with the sayings of Gore and the current moron.
This is all about destoying American economy, and make you subject to world government, well stated by Lord Monckton. The anti Americanism the last 40 years, originated by the left here in Europe – is shameful. Fair minded Europeans truly know how much Americans have scarified for us, and how much your entrepreneurial spirit, and vibrant culture have enriched us.
I ate in a Sushi restaurant in Oslo. At the next table sat a man appox. 15 years senior to me (born in 1946). He was out with his granddaughter and her husband – I figured. The husband came with the usual parroted one sided refrains about America. I also knew that he was not one of the hard core activists or liars. Most probably he heard it all from his university professors or been force fed by the mainstream media, riddled with hard core leftists. The grandfather begged to differ, and he quoted all the things we should have been grateful for, when it comes to America. I was able attract his attention, and gave him an approving nod. Indeed – he became bolder.
Do Americans have difficult issues? – SURE, you might broadcast them all over the world, and “we help you.” Here they push it all under the rug, then ask America to clean it up. You came twice to Balkan recently, Europe was helpless. Blair (once an unsavory leftist) went to Washington – as Churchill, and begged America to get involved. The left and the press were on the band wagon: A new Vietnam!!! So you know what kind of dishonest creep this is. In the despotic regimes our leftist [and yours] loves, their citizen would do anything to win the Green Card Lottery to go to America. Does Cuba or Muslims countries issues lottery tickets? Muslims won’t go there, it easier to be Muslim in America. As in Europe, they leave their “culture,” and demand to bring it, and ask us to adjust to it or ELSE. We have already lost free speech. I refer to the great American: Bruce Bawer. He lives in my country.
Therefore I feel it as a duty, to support fellow conservative-, libertarian- and Christian/ Jewish Americans. You should unite, for the ideas of the European left are getting a foothold on your continent. I am all the above. Ayn Rand was an atheist, but it neither rocked my faith nor my conservatism. That’s what makes her such an amazing thinker. She professed true Liberty and Freedom. Then there are conservative values worth observing, for they have been tested, and finally our Judea-Christian values/ faiths are precious as long as they are not forced on those, who beg to differ. Any faith that teaches LOVE should be welcome, but no hate, violence and terror – thank you very much. I am also a friend of Israel, and I ask you to listen to this Great Christian Arab LADY, now American [riveting]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hq0oa89-UE0. In the end of this lecture she honored your brave men and women in uniform and as Norwegian / European born in 1946 – it made me cry. GOD BLESS AMERICA.
“special envoy for climate change”
yeah, 'special' as in 'special ed student'…
Don't know much about science books … oh well, it doesn't matter; we won. I think I'll appoint a few more czars to watch over the rabble.
Lord, I wish these people would take a real climate or atmospheric science class (ecology does not count)… the Green house effect has existed LONG before we had polluntants in the air (in fact Cirrus clouds are a part of the Green house effect)… We have far less concentrations of CO2 in our atmosphere than we have had in prior era's, CO2 is a natural component of our atmosphere… However, I do agree that we need to reduce our pollutants (it's a responsibility thing) but CO2 should not be our only or main concern… Ozone is a much more harmful gas at this point.
Obama has bluffed his way through life. He would not last long in a real poker game.
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The last thing politicians and politicall operatives want to be is scientifically informed…. They would not have deniability when the whole sham is finally exposed for what it is… They can be "shocked" along with the MSM on how they were played for fools by those evil, greedy scientists and nefarious "global government" types at the UN ….
Have you lived in America? Have you ever been subjected to the sorts of social injustice that President Obama is trying to eradicate?
Didn't think so.
We are all waiting wirh baited breath to hear from NASA regarding your FOIA requests. Hanson is probably still cooking the books. Isn't science grand? EPA Minister Jackson and the soon to be gone progressive nitwit lemmings in the Senate are going to look pretty foolish in a couple more years if the present climate change trend prevails. I am reading of reports the some real scients are looking at the possibility we may be Maunder Minnimum period in the Sun's activity. No one want's that to happen but the irony would be delicious indeed.
Great job Chris…
I know of the potato insident. As reported, he did not know how to spell the word. From further reading, it turns out that the card he was given had the wrong spelling, and he was questioning it. Yet the second part of the story I never heard until many years later. Yeay internet.
With the internet, and Andrew's new sites to come on-line, I look forward to being better informed, including issues like this.
Can you suggest some of his writtings?
BTW, I stand firm in my belief that the current VP is the greatest insurance policy ever deviced.
Has he ever released his grades?
No.
The REAL question is 'have You lived in a socialist/marxist country? I suggest you try that . It will surely be the antidote for bad kool-aid.
Why don't you just "organize" a group of your own to advocate global interference into our personal lives. That's what you want…right? The point is that the agenda that is being promoted has almost nothing to do with climate change. It is about regulating the masses and redistribution of wealth plain and simple.
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Thanks again Harald and as we discovered in a different thread yesterday, Tallow has a different interpretation of the U.S. Constitution than most of us here.
No and he has spent a fortune keeping them hidden.
In the 70's environmentalist warned of a upcoming global cooling, mini-ice age. Aerosols and CFCs were eating a hole in the atmosphere so we jumped through hoops to change all our spray products and coolants. Now carbon dioxide is the evil gas in the atmoshphere. What they don't say is that WATER VAPOR is the predominant green house gas, vastly greater quantity than the ~3% concentration of CO2.
Methane does more damage than CO2. Are the global warming goons going to try to force us all to install methane filter up our butts? Never mind all the animals in the world that emit their own gaseous fumes.
So the average temperature has risen a half a degree. Why are the glaciers in the world EXPANDING? They seem to ignore that little tidbit! The latest news is that they need $50 BILLION to do another study to see if any of this is true. How about that, they need more money! It seems like money is the basis for all this crap. If you scare people into thinking the world is going to end, and its all our faults, people will fall all over themselves to pay our way out of……nothing.
By the way, I have some prime beachfront property in Nevada to sell, when California is swamped by the rising seas from the polar ice caps melt.
Don't you know sunspots are caused by social injustice? Dummy.
Methane comes from eating beans. Vegetarians eat beans. Down with vegetarians!
Good one…………:)
Love the photo!
All hail St. Barry Obongo!
PJTV has some reports from Copenhagen, the reportage in summary seems to be that this event is mostly about social justice not science, not a surprise but I doubt you will see any of this on the news. Check it out.
Watched Stossel last night, very weak show, not impressed at all, bad data, bad process, etc. were kind of mentioned in passing.
The audience was pretty left, or at least the ones he spoke with, bunch of little commies that wanted to spend everyone else's money on a problem that does not exist, they were not even swayed by millions dying if Kyoto II were put into place.
The left is seriously insane
Forget carbon. The real risk to America and our environment is OXYGEN.
Freely available oxygen is keeping people like Boxer, Pelosi, Krugman (really tired of this one), Axelrod, Orzag, Jarrett, Rahm (okay now I'm tired) alive to create a whole new bunch of derivatives backed by the full faith and credit of the atmosphere and the US taxpayer.
Freakin' scoundrels.
To be representational the image should be giving us the middle finger and the sun should maybe be a CO2 molecule
No, I haven't. Why do you even bring that up? Is America now Marxist? I never got that memo….it must have got lost in all the bills that our DEMOCRATICALLY elected Congress is crafting on behalf of the constituents who ELECTED them to office in order to represent their DESIRES and NEEDS.
Thanks for the newsflash, had no idea the USA was Marxist. Here I was thinking we were witnessing the workings of a Democracy every day.
What do you care about grades? You helped elect Bush the Younger and he barely held a C average. Clearly, you have no interest in presidential academic achievement, why pretend it matters now?
Have you ever noticed the the heating up of the atmosphere follows the popularity of vegetarianism? Stamp out those vegetarian f*rts!
The American education system was destroyed in the 1960s by Lyndon Johnson who recreated Castro's Department of Propaganda (Education). He understood that only an ignorant populace could be controlled by a Progressive government. Socialist and Communist governments can only thrive with an ignorant, inattentive, and unthinking populace. Fifty years for the setup, and only 10 months for the kill. Continue to underestimate Progressive politicians at your peril!
Nothing to do about climate change?
The premier advocates of responsible climate-human interaction and the high level scientists who have proven the ill effects of our actions are meeting in Copenhagen right now. They are meeting to educate the world and to develop a course of action to address the now debunked notion that their is NO climate change.
I have heard nothing about taking your money from you and giving it to someone else. All I have heard are the concrete, irrefutable scientific proofs that have debunked those who contend the climate does not change.
Do you get your car inspected each year? Do they check emissions? Do they charge you a fee? Are you mad about it and calling it 'regulating the masses and redistribution of wealth"?
Exactly. Take off your tin foil hat and join the rest of the world.
"we may be lintering at a Maunder Minnimum period in the Sun's activity."
And, if we are. Won't YOU be glad that they proved Global Warming?
Keep bad mouthing the AGW scientist when their discovery keeps you warm, my friend.
UUUhhhh,, Maybe they aren't
Thank you Harald. Very well put and echoes what most truly thoughtful and insigthful people have known to be true. Keep up the good fight!
Who has proven it is "BAD"? I know there are some models that project it is "BAD" but we have recently learned that these models were rigged with fraudulent data. Additionally, we have also discovered the "hockey stick" graph was also a result of fraudulent data. Thus, I am waiting for this proof. Oh yea, the Earth also has been cooling for the past ten years, something the rigged models never predicted. ____Also, what Bush policies are you referring to? We all know that the U.S. Senate voted not to consider the Kyoto Protocol in 1998 by a vote of 95-0. What degradation occurred during those eight years? As I noted above, we all know that the Earth actually cooled during the years of the Bush Administration. Did it cool too much, is that what the degradation was? Is that why they changed the "crisis" formerly known as "global warming" to "global climate change"?
Liberals don't care about these empirical arguments. You can argue facts all you want. If it sounds good and makes them feel good, that's all that matters and no amount of reasoning will change their minds. They reserve to do that on a whim when they feel like it. So most of this discussion is just wasted CO2.
If they want an education, they should visit me in northern Minnesota. They will go away praying for global warming (a balmy -20 today).
Absolutely Dave…you are SO brilliant! You have changed my mind. Thanks so much for your informative rant! I do my own research and I am NOT a "tin foil hat wearer" as you say. Have you even read the proposed "Treaty"? You are just parroting what you have been taught to say. By the way…there is climate change, and it happens 4 times each year when the seasons change. Please educate yourself.
Because Bush didn't have anything to hide?
If Obama is hiding them this hard there is something else somewhere other than a bunch of C's
I don't get you logic.
Because he won't show you his report, it's bad?
This is why guys like you baffle me.
You complain of violations of privacy. Of government infringement. Of your personal freedoms being handcuffed.
Let me ask you, are you averse to government cameras being set up in your home? If so, why? Because it is a violation of your rights to privacy? Ok, fair enough. But, since you aren't willing to allow them in your home, I then assume can rightly assume you are hiding something, right? Oh, you say there is nothing to hide, you just want to exercise your rights? Ok.
But, let someone who's success you envy and who's political views are so profoundly beyond your intellect exercise those same rights to privacy….and HE is hiding something.
The hypocrisy is palpable.
Sir:
i) You have confused seasonal changes of weather patterns with 'climate'. Weather may be supposed as a contributor to climate; but, climate is not limited as being solely composed of weather.
ii) Are you qualified to conduct research? Or is your 'research' an osmosic absorption of the talking points espoused by that 'flat earth society' so correctly labeled as 'skeptics' by the accepted media?
iii) Ahhh, was your question about the 'Treaty' a trick? I'll admit I haven't read the 'Treaty'. For, up to this point, nothing exists in 'Treaty' form.
iv) Pollywannacracker?
So, disagreement with any or your 'statements' demonstrates either a poor intellect or an obfuscation of the facts?
I see you are cracking under the burden of always being right.
Pun intended.
"the sorts of social injustice that President Obama is trying to eradicate?"
Beyond parody.
Because W, unlike the Anointed One, never posed as the Smartest Guy In The World.
Also I expect that his transcripts would raise all sorts of other questions the Big O would rather not have asked-
"let someone who's success you envy and who's political views are so profoundly beyond your intellect"
Oh, you're pathetic. OBAMA is beyond MY intellect? Sorry, it's only leftist pinheads like yourself who still fall for the worn-out crap he peddles.
Sir, your incoherent alarmist rant left a ringing in my ears. Which is odd, because it was in text, not oral.
Anyway, if you noticed, my use of the term 'degradation' was actually in reference to the economy. Not the climate.
Pleas reread.
Then respond with another panic attack induced blusterfest.
There's no point wasting any more keystrokes on this deluded retard.
<flush>
Answer: They're not very smart
"By the way, I have some prime beachfront property in Nevada to sell, when California is swamped by the rising seas from the polar ice caps melt.":
Interestingly, AlGor recently bought a multi-million dollar beachfront property.
Way beyond.
Posed?
Obama has address any and all questions asked. What could his course listing and grades from 25 years ago possibly be hiding?
Sir, I don't fall for crap. I'm an American!
I step in it.
Bush's grades were higher than Al Bore's. He also has an MBA while Borebot flunked out of law school.
Obama has already admitted that he wasn't a good student in high school. So what makes any of us think he was so brilliant in college? And where are his college transcripts? Occidental? Columbia? How do we know he even went to Columbia, or rather just hung out with those radicals who did? Fox interviewed 40 former Columbia pre-law students who were in the same pre-law classes Obie alleged to have been in and not one of them has any recollection of him whatsoever. What's going on here? We know he got into Harvard Law thru Affirmative Action and the financial support of a Saudi prince (Alaweed) who used Percy Sutton's contacts (Sutton was Malcolm X's lawyer) to get Obie into Harvard. How many Americans do you know who have a Saudi prince as benefactor?
CO2 is not a pollutant. It is NOT associated with any known change in climate except in the imaginations of failed computer climate models. No data set with integrity has suggested correctly that CO2 causes GW. If so, the last decade, with stable or decreasing temps (depending on who strokes the data) in the face of steadily (catastrophically!) rising CO2 levels should seriously begin the process of throwing this hypothesis into the dustbin of failed hypotheses. CO2 is more like an essential amino acid. We can not live without it. It is an ever-present part of our atmosphere. The carbons in CO2 are what plants use to keep the planet alive.
A thought just came to me (caution): is there a way to adopt a molecule as an aggrieved entity? Dem/Libs have animals, the 'planet,' and a host of other nonhuman constituents that can't be asked if they want the Dem/Libs to speak for them. We could adopt CO2! Good for plants! Good for people! Good for the planet! Free the maligned CO2 from pollutant status! In fact, in CO2's interest, we could sue for libel/defamation for this slanderous classification! [deep breath...rant mode off]
Dave Tallow: He is beyond our intellect? BWAH!! Do you wear your lubricated kneepads as you crawl to your Dear Reader in worship? Buffoon!!
He's a modern day snake oil salesman who knows how to play all the angles. The reason his personal files are all hidden is because he's the little man behind the curtain, similar to that in The Wizard of Oz. All smoke and mirrors. His biography was rewritten the minute he decided to run for the presidency. Even the Kenyan newspaper archives in the early 2000's say he was born in Kenya. But I digress. He has no grasp of American History, none of economics, etc., but he sure knows how to parse words and point the blame elsewhere. He knows he's in over his head but he's faking it. He's turned that into an art. You're the fool for following so blindly.
They figure they are so smart that anyone who disagrees with them has to be dumb.
Greenhouse gases are needed for life to survive on earth. Without them, the earth would be colder than above the artic circle on a clear, winter night (-60F and colder).
Oh? Are the producing greenhouse gasses?
(erm, Never mind.) (phew, who farded?)
Yes, redistribution of wealth right into bureaucratic pockets. It's called greed. The model that was used was faulty and was manipulated, data that pointed away from man-made GW was disgarded. The 600 scientists on board with this crap refuse to debate the 30,000 scientists who claim GW is not a man-made phenomenon. The reason they are so frantic to deny the e-mail leaks as anything more than a hacking is because they see Cap & Trade going down the drain. Too many of these corruptocrats, inclusive of Gore and the current administration in addition to corporations such as GE have too much invested in the purchase of carbon credits and stand to make billions in what is the scam of the century.
The Earth hasn't been this hot since it was a molten ball of lava.
Youare so gullible, Dave. They're proving nothing in HopenChangen except that they're a bunch of gasbags on the take who are looking to pocket trillions, most of it coming from US taxpayers and corporations as your Dear Reader turns us into Zimbabwe of the West. Caviar, limos, private jets; nothing's too good for these fraudmeisters as they try to force the rest of us back into the stone age while they live it up at our expense. Say hi to Buffy.
$50 Billion to study why the glaciers are increasing in size. You know they're only going to say that this is more proof of man-made climate change. How much of this is going in their pockets while the US continues to lose jobs?
Promoting all those green jobs that don't exist, are you, Dave? Maybe those jobs went to those phantom districts while the checks went elsewhere..
I was always under the impression that the flat earth society was membered by useless libs who believe what they're told. Ever hear the expression, "Useful Idiot?" It was coined by Stalin to describe liberals. So easily duped.
Simple, just keep repeating over and over how smart and liberal they are, and the lemmings will follow.
Exactly where in the following link do you find the authority for 99.99999% of what the current administration is doing?
http://topics.law.cornell.edu/constitution
Save your pithy reply that Bush and the GOP did the same thing, because yes, I agree, they did.
As an American, thank you Sir.
My own opinion is something bigger is going on here.
These politicians are not dumb. You don't climb to the top of the political gut pile by being stupid. They have to know this is going to throw them out, and they don't seem to care in the least. Why?
Here's what I'm thinking. Obama got elected by basically not being Bush. And America has a long and illustrious history of bouncing parties out of power after a while, so its not all that surprising the GOP got pushed out of power. If the dems keep both houses of Congress in 2010, then Obama can't run on republican interference in 2012. He's got nothing but his own record, and we can see who that's working out now.
What if they ram all this stuff through now, get voted out of office, the GOP takes one or both houses of Congress. With Obama in the White House, a GOP congress won't be able to get any of it over turned. Obama then runs in 2012 against a republican congress, and hopefully with enough coat tails to bring the dems back in control.
Then they have everything they want.
Well, firstly, I thank for you anticipatory compliment! I try to provide concise and substantive commentary (re: pithy)…apparently my reputation proceeds me.
Unfortunately, due to the ambiguous nature of your question, I can't provide the tersely cogent response you anticipated.
I find it hard to believe that of the millions of things done on a daily basis by this Administrtation, 99.9999999% are unconstitutional.
In an effort to prevent me wasting my time and going over the agenda of every deparment falling under teh Executive Branch, and then finding where the Constitution calls for it….how about you tell me what you think is not provided for, and I'll go ahead and show you that it is?
But remember, you yourself said (IRT Bush) that if I can't; It's Ok.
Deal?
Deal!
2 : having substance and point : tersely cogent
So instead we should base the collection and distribution of trillions of dollars world wide based on "science" that has just been proven to be false?
A scientific experiment is basically a four part process. Hypothesis, process, data collection, analysis and conclusion. You state 'this is what I think and why." Process is the actual experiment. Data collection is just that, collecting the data. And analysis and conclusion is just that, what the data collected says, and whether you think you were right or wrong.
Hypothesis and conclusion are not science, they are subjective. Process and data collection are objective, that's your real science. A repeatable process that provides consistent results.
Other scientists can take process and data from another study, so as not to reinvent the wheel. In other words "based upon the findings" of such-and-such "studies."
What these so called scientists have done is hide process and data collection, and passed off hypothesis and conclusion, and said that was good enough, the science is settled, no one needs to see process and data, because every one agrees conclusion is science.
And now the emails prove just why they don't want anyone to see process and data collection. They've gone so far as to destroy it to make sure no one can see it. In the emails, they state specifically that's what they would do if necessary.
That means every study on climate change that was based upon the process and data collection by the CRU are no longer valid. There is no scientific basis for their conclusions.
If you really believe in science and its objectivity, then you should be pissed off to high hell over this. I'm an engineer, and I'm eye ball popping out of skull mad at what they've done to science, which I've based 25 years of my life on. They've made a mockery of it.
So I ask you Mr. Tallow – do you believe in objective science, or emotions? Because this is not science.
I don't know Buff is. So, I can't grant your request.
But, anyway….back to the stoneage? Introducing cutting edge technology which will not only provide a cleaner environment but also the opportunity for an entire new arena of investment and jobs is the STONE AGE?
Wow.
Talk about gullible. You need to research the stone age, my friend. They didn't have wind or solar power in the stone age. Or universal health care.
Well, were to start….
i) Try reinvestment of wealth into a global economy. It's called insight. Not greed.
ii) Exactly what data was 'disgarded'? Please site some examples and also explain exactly what algorythms were used to shift data. If you can only mimic the flat earth society's talking points without siting actual examples and technical explanations of what actually might have just been some meaningless mistakes….well, then your post is nothing but partisan bluster.
iii) I would wage dollars to donuts that your summation of scientific support as 600 scientists is no closer to reality than the notion that the climate isn't changing.
iv) Cap and trade isn't yet Global Policy, why would they be so frantic about something 'they' don't even have? Nice logic.
v) How much does GE have investing in the purchase of carbon credits? Do tell……
I'll be happy to explain exactly what I meant. And no, your reputation has not preceded you with me, I'm fairly new to this site (though not intensedebate) and have no idea what your reputation is. But I do know how blogging works.
http://topics.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articl...
http://topics.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articl...
http://topics.law.cornell.edu/constitution/billof...
If the authority the government exercises is not specifically stated above, it is forbidden by the constitution.
Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
I think if you read through the constitution you will not see any mention of bailouts, taking over car companies, stimulus packages, prisoners of war being granted constitutional rights, or the vast majority of anything else going on in the halls of power.
Granted, I was not striving to be as pithy as I was, but I do feel passionate about this subject, as its my own constitutionally guaranteed freedoms that are being abridged, so I do take this personally.
If you're up for a civil debate on the subject, so am I. When of the things I dearly missed when I counted myself one of the left was a logical, reasonable debate on issues. When I was on the left I was simply ordered to hate the right, and avoid all rational debate with them. Whn I refused, I was ejected, with the typical hateful insults.
Some reporters scoured the Library of Congress for historical press reports on climate change and global warming/cooling. And what they found was most interesting. I wish I still had the link to share, but some effort on goggle should be able to find it.
Going back to the 1880's, every 25 years or so, it flips between global warming and global cooling. Once the movement has lost all credibility with one generation, they flip their story and start working on the next generation.
Look for global cooling scare in the next 10 – 15 years.
Tequila does more damage than C02.
Just ask my liver.
Phillep, you make a great point.
But it is a fine line. Too much of them threatens the climate.
So, we have a dilemma. How best to ensure that the gases remain within the boundaries of that fine line.
I can't do it. You can't do it. America can't do it. China can't do it. But, if we form an environmentally focused collective that is representative of all the Nation States in the world (heck we could even call it a World State Community), well, I think you'd agree we'd have a better chance of walking that fine line between disasters.
It amuses me to to observe the little momas's boy try to make himself the center of attention here, bs sure and wash behind your ears before bed Davie. Put your PJs on and go to bed… LOL
The industrial revolution started about 1750 in England and France and about 1820-30 in the U.S.
He is not educated in science. So sad. Obama even went to private schools.
The problem I see is that the Obama administration is just so desperate to ram through as much of the leftist agenda as possible that they just make things up as they go along. Let's face it, they only have 2 years to really inflict the most damage to the United States since they will most likely lose the House and Senate in 2010. After 2010, ramming the leftist agenda through will be much more difficult.
They are literally running around like chickens who have had their heads cut off because they have little to no time to coordinate and plan their moves. This makes them appear to be bigger fools than they already are. This is also much more dangerous to the United States since they literally have no clue as to the consequences of their actions (not that the Left really cares about consequences until after the fact).
You assume that controlling the greenhouse gases is the purpose of the Copenhagen meet. It cannot be, not with politicians involved.
Dan Quayle is a brilliant and decent man. Read some of his writings. He (like W) suffered from bad impressions in front of a camera.
So, in the 1890's a 'scientist' or alchemist or something postulated that greenhouse gases were GOOD. Now technology and advance methodologies have proven that it is BAD. And the administration is DUMB because they don't hold to an 1890's speculation suggested by some sort of alchemist or something?
Really? So, we should base global economic plans designed to prevent any further degradation caused by the past 8 years of Bush policies on 1890's pseudo-science? Really?
This is just amazing.
Climate change enthusiasts speak often of "peer reviewed" science. Why then doesn't anybody bring the following up and then ask them about it ?? …
Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine (OISM)
Who: Dr. Arthur Robinson of the OISM
What: release of names in OISM “Petition Project”
When: 10 AM, Monday May 19, 2008
Where: Holeman Lounge at the National Press Club, 529 14th St., NW, Washington, DC
Why: the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine (OISM) will announce that more than 31,000 scientists have signed a petition rejecting claims of human-caused global warming. The purpose of OISM’s Petition Project is to demonstrate that the claim of “settled science” and an overwhelming “consensus” in favor of the hypothesis of human-caused global warming and consequent climate damage is wrong. No such consensus or settled science exists. As indicated by the petition text and signatory list, a very large number of American scientists reject this hypothesis.
It is evident that 31,072 Americans with university degrees in science – including 9,021 PhDs, are not “a few.” Moreover, from the clear and strong petition statement that they have signed, it is evident that these 31,072 American scientists are not “skeptics.”
Just how much is too much, Prof. Tallow?
Tallow's silence is earsplitting.
"And, if we are. Won't YOU be glad that they proved Global Warming?"
They have not proved anything. And again I ask how much is to much CO2?
Dave… Cap and Trade is dead, in case you haven’t heard. It wasn’t popular when people didn’t know about the manipulation and lies… and, now. Well…
Indoctrination is powerful and 30 yrs of gore’s bs without any real debate or any real evidence put forth has done its job. Look at the data and review the emails with the DATA. Programmers have already broken it down… they ‘cheated’ to put it lightly to get the outcome. Why wouldn’t you believe the programmers that can spot this? They kept their program hidden for this reason… real scientists, with nothing to gain, would have torn it apart, plain and simple.
It’s okay to admit you’ve been played, because millions have and are in the same boat. Their programmer made notes and the “hide the decline” line is accurate… they HID THE DECLINE in the program. It is NOT one sided. They said they needed to, and they did… it was not conjecture.
If I say I am going to kill you in a letter, and you die, I guarantee you, I would have to PROVE I DID NOT KILL YOU. They said it, they did it. That, my friend is a causative correlation, unlike the temp and co2.
It is over, so give it up. Why wouldn’t you be happy the world is NOT doom and gloom? Why? Do you really want to pay to be regulated? Told how many pets you can have and have them chipped? How much livestock you can have? Listen, plants thrive on CO2 and that is fact. It has been said that the submarines typically have VERY high levels of CO2 in a confined space with only limited ‘damage’.. again, this is confined and levels are greater than 4k ppm, or so I’m told.
Check this out: In the deserts of Arabia, OIL lies beneath the sand. How did oil, which is the breaking down of organics (plants usually), get into a DESERT? It didn’t. The Earth changed. It was once wet, and obviously green. Egypt, only 10k yrs ago was rainy and wet according to some scientists studying Egyptian monuments.
Help me out, Dave… explain how OIL gets into a desert without abundant plant life, because, I really need help with that.
BTW: I am not conservative/progressive/liberal, etc… I take issues as they come and have no party line to BS me. I hate the oil corps and their grip on our gov, but I have gov control even more. Oil is invested in green and they play all sides… the same people play ALL sides for profit and control. This has nothing to do with saving the polar bear.
Why do you think FEAR has to be involved… COP15 looks like a hollywood premier for a disaster/horror flick instead of a gathering of caring politicians.
Dave… wakey, wakey.
Check out the Copenhagen Document leaks, this knowledge may save your life! Do what you can with your Government Reps in your country to have these infringements on your life eliminated! You will literally be fighting for your and your family’s existence, Click the videos below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAqqAnUxACY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94KH-WMZuw0
Request that PM Harper doesn't sign the Copenhagen Treaty, thereby causing Canadians to lose their Sovereignty and Freedom, email the PM at: pm@pm.gc.ca
Lord Monckton was disrupted to speak in a conference by Obama's green youth activists in Copenhagen. Do we still have freedom of speech? The global warming alarmists are silencing Lord Monckton's dissenting opinion.
If the climate change scientists were legit, they would have nothing to hide.
ClimateGate is proof that they had things to hide.
If you disagree with the second statement then you obviously haven't read the emails and are just stupid and speak of things you don't know or you are lying. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt incase you disagree with my second statement.
They already have had the movie "dumb and dumber". The problem with this gang is they ALL qualify as dumbest and dumbest. Permanently stuck on stupid. And they call these people "educated"?
Agreed.
These members of the 'flat earth' society continuously defecate the same message.
I am not sure I get your point.
Where is the federal government restricted from providing financing to industry?
Where is the government restricted from initiating federal spending programs?
What 'rights' have the prisoners of war been 'granted'?
What is the vast majority of anything else going on in the halls of power?
I need clarification in order to explain why you are wrong.
Thanks.
The only Americans that come to mind as having a Saudi prince as a benefactor are the Bush's….other than them, I guess it is pretty unusual.
Interesting. Can you provide a copy of the original biography?
Thanks in advance.
Just goes to show….grades can't always accurately reflect ability or initiative.
Bush is now in hiding in private life as a failed president.
Gore's vision led to the development of the internet and now he is helping man understand how to provide a better future through sustainable living.
Wonder who ended up more successful?
I remember way back in algebra class. My teacher would give us a problem to solve. And I would solve it.
4x + 3 = 11 solve for x
x=2
My teacher did not give me credit for the question.
I asked why.
She said, "Because you didn't show the work."
I asked if I had solved for x correctly.
She said, "Yes."
I said, "x = 2. The question is solved. End of debate."
Sorry, Bob. Some of us have lives and aren't here 24/7 to instantaneously respond to questions.
I believe in science.
Generally, it's emotion which causes frustration of eye ball popping proportions.
How can they exist yet?
We haven't outlawed CO2 yet. Good grief.
At least wait for cap and trade before you start demanding the green jobs. I understand your impatience; but global governance is a systemic process.
Well, if you don't understand the science….and politicians do….then why shouldn't they be there?
Not really sure what you are insinuating.
Somebody hasn't been reading IPCC literature!
This all has little to do with climate. The left has a consistent philosophy on all issues. They want to diminish human activity. Ambition, success and progress are bad. Limits and control are good. Climate politics is a perfect tool for them. If human activity is causing the destruction of the environment, then it must be stopped. As for science, please, unbiased science isn't practiced anymore. For every data point that says there is global warming, there is at least one more that says there isn't.
These progressives have really been effective at selling the "We're smart, You're dumb" agenda. The only problem is the American people have at their core a knowing, a huge dose of common sense, and Americans are beginning to smell chloroform in the global warming emissions!
Can we stop a hurricane? Can we stop a tsunami? i guess us little humans have the world's weather under control thru global warming.
Nerds Gone Wild
Then you should follow the links I posted and read them.
Where is the federal government restricted from providing financing to industry?</>
Article 1 Section 8 is the scope of legislative authority granted to Congress by the constitution, and no where on that list does it say anything about providing finance to any industry. Article 1 Section 9 is the limits of legislative authority, which I can sum up for you as anything that's not specifically listed in Article 1 Section 8.
And if that wasn't clear enough to future office holders, Amendments IX and X spell it out even clearer.
The federal government created by the Constitution was never meant to be a giant, monolithic, blob that it's become. It was intended solely as a process where the equal states could conduct only very certain issues – affecting them all (such as foreign policy, dealing with the Native Americans, interstate judicial matters – Supreme Court – and the common defense, etc.).
I thank you for your polite and reasonable response, I love a good political debate, as long as it stays out of the insult gutter. But if you want to debate me on the constitution, you'll need to become more aware of it, and a great way is to actually read it and see what it says.
P.J. O'Rourke describes it as the nation's owner's manual, and its smaller than the owner's manual for a Toyota Camry.
I applaud you for your independence in the face of government mandate. But that has nothing to do with the subject under discussion.
That question is a simple mathematical equation that can be verified with a calculator, and requires no trillions of dollars of wealth be seized, and personal freedom taken from us.
I said, "x = 2. The question is solved. End of debate."
Here's what the CRU is proved doing.
"The question is solved. End of debate."
And I'm saying, what was the original equation?
And they reply "The question is solved. End of debate."
And we say, well can't you at least let us see the equation you used?
And they reply "The question is solved. End of debate."
And skeptics say we want to see what you did?
And they reply "The question is solved. End of debate."
Then the emails came out and they said “I think I’ll delete the file rather than send to anyone.”
Then the University said they would release all process and data as soon as they could.
Then the CRU said Oops, we accidentally deleted the data
And you expect me to buy it? You can if you want. Many people do. I know plenty who are more than happy to stuff their fingers in their ears and scream "Lalalalalalala."
But interestingly enough, they are not the technical people I work with. If you know about science, and you've been in a lab, you know this is pure BS.
Agreed. And that's because the global debate about man made global warming is not, nor appareantly has it ever been, about science. Its all about emotions.
And you can not debate emotions, the are subjective, there is no absolutes. Science is about objective material, positively answered.
Dr. Thomas Sowell in his book on economics
http://www.amazon.com/Basic-Economics-3rd-Ed-Econ...
Uses the analogy of building a foot ball stadium. When it comes to the dimensions of the field, width, length, markings, there is no doubt what so ever. All the absolute answers can be found in the NFL rule book. You can be 100% you are absolutely correct.
Now, where to build, how to pay for it. Those are subjective questions. There is no absolute, 100% answer.
Subjective and objective questions should never be confused. Because objective questions are answered by science. Subjective questions are answered by politics.
Dear Mr Tallow, Svante Arrhenius was one of the most prominent scientist of the XIX century. He receive the Nobel Prize in Chemistry in 1903. The Greenhouse effect is overall good. Without it, the temperature would be below zero degrees. The bad thing is TOO MUCH greenhouse effect.
Before writing such things about someone that contributed so much to the science, please look at the books.
it's a bit cold out. I could use some global warming right now…… who's to say it wouldn't be a good thing?
http://www.carboncommand.com
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Hello From America Harald,
Thank You.
Also, here is the corrected video link that you referred to:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hq0oa89-UE0
The one that you posted picked up the period at the end of you sentence and it wouldn't work.