ClimateGate Denial
by Christopher C. HornerThere have been numerous ostentatiously pathetic efforts to distract from what ClimateGate has not “revealed”, but affirmed, in the principals’ own words, and this mewling is getting more pathetic by the attempt.

Sitting in the chair waiting to participate in a CNN program Monday night largely dedicated to the issue — or, rather, what proved to be an embarrassingly slanted effort at to diminishing it, in its language and approach though to the channel’s credit they at least let me and Steve McIntyre on — I listened to the program’s lead-in. It entailed childish language like that the program will have “scientists and skeptics” (good grief), but also a remarkably insistent emphasis — with nothing whatsoever to back the claim up — on the exposed material being “hacked emails” (with no mention of computer code, annotations, other documentation and the like contained in the exposed trove; now that’s some serious bias).
There also is nothing in the record to suggest a hacking. Indeed, there is tremendous reason to suspect a whistleblower, tracing back the evolution of the demands for the information, the denials, and the information’s path into the public realm. Yet whichever it was changes nothing about the substance, all of which is found in documents subject to the UK’s freedom of information act.
Which raises the second, ultra-whiny complaint sniffing about “private emails”. Actually, in looking into this I have yet to see one private email. So far I have only found more than a thousand emails subject to the UK’s freedom of information act, discussing taxpayer funded projects and professional advocacy. Someone might volunteer some of these private emails. And computer code, annotations, etc.
Then comes the substance-free hand-wringing that the pre-Copenhagen timing of this involuntary compliance with the transparency laws — which could have been accomplished years earlier if only the hucksters weren’t hiding and destroying the evidence — gives cause to probably better just ignore it all because the wrong kind of people must be behind getting it out into the open. Oh.
Besides, the BBC has admitted it had the material six weeks before others stumbled onto it, which, given the history of how UK whistleblowers work, also informs a conclusion that a whistleblower sought to get the material out in response to Phil Jones’s latest effort to avoid providing the raw data. That was to claim that he lost it (which doesn’t pass the red face test for several reasons not least of which is there are no “oh, snap!” emails indicating concern among these alarmists that they did look only to see they actually had lost the raw data they had been refusing access to for years on ever-changing bases).
But the most revealing tantrum comes to me today in an email explaining that the fraudster-funded DeSmogBlog wants to take the discussion in the following direction: the skeptics, and particularly the Competitive Enterprise Institute, had the information before saying anything about it. If so that would somehow indicate we have some involvement in whatever process it was — hacking, whistleblowing — that forced at least partial compliance with long-obstructed requests under the UK’s freedom of information act. Because apparently that would impact the importance of what the information affirms. Their evidence is that we were able to see right away what this material signified. It is that self-evident. but nothing is easy for the alarmists. Just as with climate that’s always changing, they are able to see nefariousness behind the simplest observation.
But they are confusing us with the BBC, having the information as of October 12 but also to having sat on it until after others had let the nasty kitten out of the bag, at which point the guy who had received it in early October said he was buys and would figure out what to say about it soon.
This is somewhat similar to CEI, if for about six weeks longer than we waited. Indeed, I’ve checked with my colleagues, and their experience was like mine. I received an email notifying me that the materials were posted on an obscure site, on Wednesday November 18. Then I received another the next day, and posted an item here saying to keep an eye on what develops.
All of which I really think is to say that the alarmists recognize full-well what threat these affirmations pose. The substance terrifies them. It is so damning that they’re flailing about to assign some miscreance to its emergence to tar it. Although as a matter of, well, substance, that would not do so. And they want to do everything they can to avoid addressing the substance. Because the substance dooms them.





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Program lean in “scientists and skeptics” , more like "Disciples and Realists" if you asked me, but then it's CNN
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This is a tweet from Obama's fascist EPA administrator Lisa Jackson to an enviornmental reporter,,,"we tried to make sure we had something to talk about at the #COP15." Kind of debunks the lies from both Obama and Jackson about the timing of the EPA's CO2 announcment.
Follow the money boys and girls. Look at how much money this man has made with this scam of his. Look at the businesses he has set up over this climate scam HE has propagated over the last few years. Just don't stop with him look into who else he is working with and follow the money and paper trail. How many in DC are backing him through back room deals? How many are getting their nest egg set up through Al Gore, as they know their days in public office are coming to a close. Who in the bias fringe media is working with him, again through back room deals to push his agenda, its on you to find this information out. Each American is going to have to take a page from Woodward and Bernstein to take back America and expose the corrupt, investigative journalism is dead.
How much more of this are you going to take? Waiting 'til elections of 2010 is too long and we don't have that kind of time. The time is now to bring down corrupt politicians, bias fringe media and special interest groups like Al Gore enterprises through http://www.savingtherepublic.com
I think the problem for the general public is that they are not used to get 30 second spots. So use a visual cartoon series. Piggy, Doggy, Bunny it for people
Episode 1 for instance could be about accurate temperature recording.
Cartoon of 4 thermometers on the earth, two in poles, two in the equator.
Have a monk type dude (with Gavin's or Hansen lol) taking readings, and dividing by 4, use simple math (easy for someone to do in their head)
Have him do it for a number of years, scowling each time, until say 1999, then a little light bulb goes on over his head and he smiles and squeaks
He goes and removes 1 polar thermometer, and takes 3 readings, UREKA! He jumps up and down smiling and happy running back to GISS ( a church ) word goes out to the CRU ( church ) etc.
Easy to digest, funny, pejorative. Issue by issue dismember their argument (well the first should do that, but they will argue it doesnt matter) until the masses just laugh when they here the term "Climate Fill in the Blank"
Make it a whole series, you tube it, if I had the skill I would already be doing it.
Just might work…at least they could be quickly read and it will put the idea of "fraud" in their head! It will also add a little humor to this horribly depressing problem.
I was thinking of an animation, but a cartoon panel series would work as well.
Hmmph, makes me wish I could draw
Is there a way to keep mentioning the European court decision requiring the showing of his slide show to have disclaimers attached. I think people keep forgetting that a court actually determined that he had false information presented as truth. And, this was years ago.
Having just watched the UN films showing cute furry animals committing suicide, I can tell you that your weak beer won't work. The propaganda vids (there are more than one) had me crying because they are very well crafted to pluck the deepest chord.
The only thing more monstrous is the suicide by make-up mirror that's being promoted wholesale.
I have a bad feeling that Phil Jones will lend his name to a global Jonestown.
Now the shit is hit the poverbial fan! A well known climate sceptic called Lord Monckton has accused the climategate gang of: "Criminal fraud". http://www.prisonplanet.com/monckton-secretive-co... and I quote:-
"…privately what they’re saying in the climategate emails is ‘hey look we’ve got a temperature which has been falling and we can’t explain why and it’s a travesty that we can’t explain why’ – so they’re saying one thing to us publicly to maintain the scare that’s making them rich, and that’s what’s called fraud, it’s criminal fraud,"
Criminal Fraud! Now there's no more "hiding the decline". They either have to put the data before a jury for real "peer review", or they will be effectively admitting that the whole global warming carbuncle is a fraud.
For a video see http://kishtube.blogspot.com/2009/12/lord-monckto...
what really bothers me about how the media is covering all of global warming is how they present it
It is always presented as Scientists vs Skeptics.
So what the Skeptics aren't scientist?
That's as biased as you can get. They are not even acknowledging the other side of the issue as science.
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How about alarmists and skeptics or maybe alarmists v. realists
the MSM (fringe media, actually) just stare at each other like a bunch of freshly sheared sheep, wondering who will blink first over this hoax being revealed with levels of corruption and criminality unparalleled in the scientific community. if i were a scientist, i would be plenty pissed off at the loss of integrity my community has suffered.
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Mr Horner is not a scientist, he is a lawyer .
How about "Chicken Little Scientists"?
Is Mr. Gore a scientist? Isn't he just a profit monger, alarmist? Mr. Horners group is asking the same reasonable questions that many other Americans are, what are the "greenies" hiding?
There is no shortage of scientists who disagree with Mr Horner. Why can't conservatives say anything about this issue without mentioning Al Gore? If Al Gore dropped dead tomorrow the issues would be the same.
Al Gore: Climategate Changes Nothing. The scam is still on.
Palmy, Where have you been zippy? You haven't been here for about a month. Have you been to rehab?
Algore. What a Pompous, Pontificating, Putana' !
Any man that sweats that profusely, is nervous about being found about, about something. I wonder what he is hiding, is it Climategate, or does he know the Safe School Czar, Kevin Jennings……….?
no, just working.
KEEP WAKING EVERYBODY UP-EVERYONE OF YOU HERE. Quickly go to and read "Unstoppable GW". It shows us how these natural cycles of warming/cooling have happened over and over throughout th history of the earth. It has happened 18 times in the last million or so years alone let alone billions.
And, this most recent warming trend is now cooling as it always has done before. And, this recently ended warming trend would only rank around 16 out of those previous 18 in severity. Fricken Montana was tropical at one time for Gods sake as the fossil record shows-ferns and other flora/fauna fossils found there. Where were the fossil fuel industries and evil SUV's back millions of years ago-NOT THERE AL GORE YOU MORON!!!! But THIS time it/s man's fault?..
Fat Albert
Chris many thanks to you buddy. With absolutely no help from the MSM, you have been one of the key players in getting the truth out worldwide. I think the unilateral action Barry is taking thru his Clean Air Crzar Comrade Jackson will bite him in the A__ if the republicans call his bluff.
Following the money is a good idea. Who pays Christopher Horner to campaign against global warming?
I watched part of the CNN interview. The so-called real news station offered nothing but cheer-leading and softball questions in the segment I saw.
For someone who believes that every breath we exhale contains harmful pollutants, Al Gore sure talks a lot.
The global warming cultists are trying to muddy the water so it is more difficult to determine what is or is not correct and who is lying or telling the truth.
HE (Algore) looks as creepy as he sounds — good material for the next James Bond evil character — looks and all.
BTW — Is he now wearing make-up and mascara? Doesn't that cost carbon unite?
First, lawyer and scientist or not mutually exclusive. One can be both. And I can assure you, there is also no shortage of scientists who agree with Mr. Horner also.
It was much warmer during the medieval warming period.
There are Vikings buried in permafrost in Greenland.
The permafrost was not disturbed since it froze.
It was not frozen when they were buried.
I would call that warmer then today, a lot warmer.
The ironic thing is that this evidence of the medieval warming period is in a museum in Copenhagen.
The Fate of Greenland's Vikings February 28, 2000 by Dale Mackenzie Brown
http://www.archaeology.org/online/features/greenland
Also, the medieval warming period was global.
Fraudulent hockey sticks and hidden data
joannenova.com.au/2009/12/fraudulent-hockey-sticks-and-hidden-data
For a satirical look at the climategate computer programming (hiding the decline):
Anthropogenic Global Warming Virus Alert.
http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s5i64103
It was much warmer during the medieval warming period.
There are Vikings buried in permafrost in Greenland.
The permafrost was not disturbed since it froze.
It was not frozen when they were buried.
I would call that warmer then today, a lot warmer.
The ironic thing is that this evidence of the medieval warming period is in a museum in Copenhagen.
The Fate of Greenland's Vikings February 28, 2000 by Dale Mackenzie Brown
http://www.archaeology.org/online/features/greenland
Also, the medieval warming period was global.
Fraudulent hockey sticks and hidden data
joannenova.com.au/2009/12/fraudulent-hockey-sticks-and-hidden-data
For a satirical look at the climategate computer programming (hiding the decline):
Anthropogenic Global Warming Virus Alert.
http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s5i64103
It was much warmer during the medieval warming period.
There are Vikings buried in permafrost in Greenland.
The permafrost was not disturbed since it froze.
It was not frozen when they were buried.
I would call that warmer then today, a lot warmer.
The ironic thing is that this evidence of the medieval warming period is in a museum in Copenhagen.
The Fate of Greenland's Vikings February 28, 2000 by Dale Mackenzie Brown
http://www.archaeology.org/online/features/greenland
Also, the medieval warming period was global.
Fraudulent hockey sticks and hidden data
joannenova.com.au/2009/12/fraudulent-hockey-sticks-and-hidden-data
For a satirical look at the climategate computer programming (hiding the decline):
Anthropogenic Global Warming Virus Alert.
http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s5i64103
It was much warmer during the medieval warming period.
There are Vikings buried in permafrost in Greenland.
The permafrost was not disturbed since it froze.
It was not frozen when they were buried.
I would call that warmer then today, a lot warmer.
The ironic thing is that this evidence of the medieval warming period is in a museum in Copenhagen.
The Fate of Greenland's Vikings February 28, 2000 by Dale Mackenzie Brown
http://www.archaeology.org/online/features/greenland
Also, the medieval warming period was global.
Fraudulent hockey sticks and hidden data
joannenova.com.au/2009/12/fraudulent-hockey-sticks-and-hidden-data
For a satirical look at the climategate computer programming (hiding the decline):
Anthropogenic Global Warming Virus Alert.
http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s5i64103
Chris, you did a good job. I thought that Steve was totally ambushed but did as well as he could. As far as files being available, they were first noticed on my blog (the Air Vent) when I approved a comment after a hunting trip in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan- not a lot of internet connections inside a log cabin with central stove heating.
The problem we have with global warming is that the theory is right to the point that more energy is captured with more CO2. The moronic public can't resolve that facts with the point that the 'warming effect' might be too damn small to measure and might further be completely harmless or even more likely — very very beneficial.
Keep up the good fight.
I am beginning to believe there is God. This is the biggest scam ever design to enrich the few and would impoverished developing nations.
I like alarmists v. realists
Is Mr. Gore a scientist? Isn't he just a profit monger, alarmist? Mr. Horners group is asking the same reasonable questions that many other Americans are, what are the "greenies" hiding?
This is just so easy. Ice core samples, rock cores, evergreen forrests growing further north then back south again multiple times in history due to warming/ cooling cycles, ocean sediment deposits from glaciers moving south out of the arctic with cooling cycles, then receeding northagain when warming happened, again MULTIPLE times back in history. Southern habitat bird species fossils found way further north then they should have been indicating a warming cycle- then found south again later indicating a cooling up north again.. This is too easy but the Algorite religious freaks of AGW either don't want you to know this, or don't know this themselves,and can't imagine that history didn't start on the day they were born.
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energy shortage?…….off-shore drilling?…coal?…natural gas?…forget about it!…there's enough crude trapped in al gore's hair to keep us toasty into the next millennium…grab him!
The lieing liars and their lies have been exposed for all to see. Fat Albert is toast and he knows it. They can BS all they want, but they're done. No redistribution of wealth thru the lie of manmade global warming. Don't worry though, they'll come up with some other dicey scheme soon enough! Be alert, they'll never quit trying.
Al Gore was interviewed, he said just a couple meters down the tempature was several million degrees. Its 6,000 degrees, that Al sure is smart, if it was down a few meters we couldnt drill for oil or coal mine. There is a law Theft By Deceit thats when an individual promotes false info to take anothers money. Hello Al. I am sick of Al and his deception, Obongo is paying $ 23 billion to chauk peoples homes, I think Obongo should give Gore 1 Billion and tell him to go home & Shutup. That is not going to happen. Obongo's point man for Crap & Trade is Al.
Obogo Admin is Totally & Completely CORRUPT for details Watch Glenn Beck
Ill porudly deny that ALWHORE has any semblance of a brain. the difference between me and ALWHORE-Id be right.
Notice Gore doing his best to "remain calm an reassuring" as if he's not distuurbed at all about this. "Oh, there's nothing going on here folks, move along, nothing here to see" (or-pay attention to he hopes) "Some people got a little careless 10 years ago" (or so) (but Al, what about last months captured e-mails?) "Oh it's just the right wing attack machine, those DENIERS you know" So what do we take from all this Al? "Well, a piece of the sky hit me on the head just the other day and those poor countries in the low lying coastal areas actually were swallowed up by a giant tsunami this afternoon after a really BIG piece of sky fell into the ocean nearby. Really, I swear!"
We are not stupid…. and we are awake. We've known for years this is a sham. This is all about controlling the world economy, and lesser developed countries. I saw a documentary several years ago (which I cannot find any longer on YouTube). It debunked the IPCC scientists' convenient theory. It also included an interview with a leader of a poor African country who previously took funds only to find out later, in exchange for building a hospital, it could only be run on solar power. The country was completed restricted from developing their own vast resources (coal, oil & gas). Unfortunately, the hospital was without power most of the time, as was the village. Foreign aid to underdeveloped countries doesn't have just strings attached…. it puts ropes around their necks and places world wide control of their country, resources and economies.
Q: Where does petroleum come from?
A: Petroleum comes from plant material that grew long ago.
Q: Are there petroleum deposits in Alaska?
A: Yes.
Q: Can plants grow now in Alaska to create petroleum deposits?
A: No.
Logic would conclude that the climate of Alaska was warm enough to grow plants
in the past,long before the advent of humans and their burning of fossil fuels.
Enough said—————-
Ya know, I think “Al the Gore” has something wrong with
him…He looks and sounds too wierd to be “normal”..Maybe
his brain boiled from all the “global warming” he’s feeling!!
Hey guys here's an interesting idea……. I was watching "Volcanoes" on the Science Channel the other day. The show says that BECAUSE of heightened volcanic activity the earths temperature moderated, via CO2, and brought us out of the last ice age. If there were no "greenhouse gases" then all of our precious heat would go back into space and this would be a far different and frozen world. This was all done BEFORE the industrialized world even appeared. Why is it that the global warming crowd can cherry pick their information but when "climate change deniers" look at ALL the facts WE are left wondering why these scientists can talk out of both sides of their ARSES?
Climate change enthusiasts speak often of "peer reviewed" science. Why then doesn't anybody bring the following up and then ask them about it ?? …
Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine (OISM)
Who: Dr. Arthur Robinson of the OISM
What: release of names in OISM “Petition Project”
When: 10 AM, Monday May 19, 2008
Where: Holeman Lounge at the National Press Club, 529 14th St., NW, Washington, DC
Why: the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine (OISM) will announce that more than 31,000 scientists have signed a petition rejecting claims of human-caused global warming. The purpose of OISM’s Petition Project is to demonstrate that the claim of “settled science” and an overwhelming “consensus” in favor of the hypothesis of human-caused global warming and consequent climate damage is wrong. No such consensus or settled science exists. As indicated by the petition text and signatory list, a very large number of American scientists reject this hypothesis.
It is evident that 31,072 Americans with university degrees in science – including 9,021 PhDs, are not “a few.” Moreover, from the clear and strong petition statement that they have signed, it is evident that these 31,072 American scientists are not “skeptics.”
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what a load of non-science-science global warming is……. cant wait until the "settled science" is shown to be a fraud. http://www.carboncommand.com
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