Does America Defaulting on Its Debt Mean We’ll Need a Bailout Like Greece?
by Christopher Arps“Men of experience succeed even better than those who have theory without experience…If, then, a man has the theory without the experience, and recognizes the universal but does not know the individual included in this, he will often fail to cure; for it is the individual that is to be cured.” –Aristotle
Aristotle’s wise words from 2,500 years ago gives us the precise reason why the president’s statist economic policies are failing miserably. Keynesian economists like New York Times columnist and Nobel Prize winner Paul Krugman believe that during times of economic slowdown, it is the government’s responsibility to jump start the economy and spur economic growth by the government itself spending large sums of borrowed money – usually on make work public works projects. The theory goes that when the government spends large sums of money during a slowdown, this will somehow motivate businesses and consumers to spend money as well.
Two years after the president’s ’stimulus’ plan, with consumer confidence at all time lows and with unemployment at 9.2% and rising, the plan has obviously been a failure. That is why it is difficult to understand why someone of Krugman’s stature, as late as July of this year, would argue for more stimulus spending and downplay the need to address our massive national debt when it’s obvious that the stimulus package has failed:
“What I keep hearing from Washington is one of two arguments: either (1) the stimulus has failed, unemployment is still rising, so we shouldn’t do any more, or (2) the stimulus has succeeded, G.D.P. is growing, so we don’t need to do any more. The truth, which is that the stimulus was too little of a good thing — that it helped, but it wasn’t big enough — seems to be too complicated for an era of sound-bite politics.’
“So no, I mean, the deficit doesn’t matter. The economy matters. And that’s why somehow or other, Obama has got to get jobs being created.”
Again:
“Men of experience succeed even better than those who have theory without experience”
Professor Krugman has spent his entire professional life in academia and liberal journalism, I doubt he has ever had a true private sector job in his life. If he had, he would understand that the theory of stimulus spending doesn’t work (and it hasn’t worked anywhere its been tried in the world). The theory is deeply flawed because it fails to heed Aristotle’s wise words of recognizing the individual in the marketplace.
The free market system is a complex system of individual buyers and sellers engaging in commerce with prices determined by what someone is willing to pay for a product and what a seller is willing to sell his product for. “The Invisible Hand”. It is also a market that consists of infallible human beings who make decisions that are not always logical and that you can fit into an academic equation. The theory of stimulus spending/Keynesian economics does not take into account a marketplace that now consists of consumers who are worried about their economic futures and businessman and wealthy investors worried about the government excessively taxing them to make up for budget shortfalls caused by new spending such as the president’s healthcare mandate. In addition to a debt crisis that could potentially have the United States default on it’s debt.
I say potentially because the default rhetoric the liberals are using to scare seniors and veterans doesn’t seem to be the same type of default that occurred in Greece, Ireland and Mexico. These countries were unable to make their financial obligations unless they received bailouts from the International Monetary Fund and from wealthy countries. The United States doesn’t need a bailout (yet), the government simply needs the authority to borrow more money to pay for the programs the $200 billion a month in revenue the government receives doesn’t cover. The United States accounts for one-fifth of global output expansion. We are still the safest place for investors to invest their capital. We have plenty of revenue coming in, it’s our spending that is out of control. We cannot sustain borrowing 43 cents of every dollar we spend.
National Public Radio disclosed a dirty little secret the other day on why the bond markets may be secretly rooting for a “default” because it would mean bond yields on U.S. Treasury’s will probably rise. Here’s an excerpt from an interview NPR had with PIMCO founder Bill Gross on July 26th. Pimco sold their entire portfolio of Treasury bonds last March.
SIEGEL: So at this point, as you say, as long as the U.S. is getting away with a rating that you think we really don’t deserve, treasuries aren’t attractive. But if the U.S. actually manages to blow through the debt ceiling, that’s a different story. The treasuries might be more attractive at 3 percent.
GROSS: Well, I think so. I don’t mean to suggest that we hope that they blow through the credit rating. That’s not up to us. It’s up to the rating agencies and ultimately, as you know, up to the Congress and the executive, in terms of what they do. But there are countries, Robert, such as Canada and such as Australia, that offer higher yields than the United States, and that have triple-A ratings as well, but lower debt as a percentage of GDP.
Gross’ comments puts back in mind the wise words of Aristotle that I started this piece with: “Men of experience succeed even better than those who have theory without experience. If Mr. Gross, with all of his experience in investing, believes that America’s debt is becoming worthless, then why should ordinary citizens and business people risk their capital in such uncertain times?







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and we are going to turn to whom?…
Red China?
Russia?
The aliens at Alpha Centauri?
just asking…
Sounds like Bernard Madoff is back in town?
Why don’t they get rid of get rid of baseline budgeting?
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The man with an experience is not at the mercy of the man with an argument.
Free enterprise is nothing more than supply and demand. It doesn't require or need government interference. It does quite well on its own. The only time government is remotely needed is for oversight to protect consumers from being cheated and that businesses are using acceptable materials within those products so as not harm consumers. More than that and the market begins to suffer.
Economists will tell us it's more than that, but that is just an excuse to build super models of economic activity that do not reflect real world activity.
The free market began with the first bartering between two or more individuals for some gadget or other. It really hasn't changed much other than to have mutually accepted a form of barter we can carry around in our pocket rather than a lamb, cow or even a horse. We do the same thing today our ancestors did thousands of years ago, whether it's a car, TV, or a hamburger. We barter with cash or something else considered to have value – gold, silver, bonds, stocks, etc.
As to whether we will be bailed out. I doubt anyone will want to come to our financial aid. We will have to bite the bullet and do it ourselves after drenching everyone in tar and feathers, directly and even remotely responsible for our predicament. That should keep us occupied for quite sometime. After which we will get busy on recovery and picking up the pieces so to speak.
What I do not understand is "…why should ordinary citizens and business people risk their capital in such uncertain times?"
If they do not "risk" their capital in forming a PROFITABLE business, their "capital" is going to be worth ZERO in the future, with the (hyper)inflation that is coming.
The Fed, The One, Congress and the Senate understand that the ONLY way out of this predicament, for them to retain their "jobs", is to inflate the debt away. So understand this, the powers that be WILL do everything they can to retain the staus quo, because they do not want to lose power, and the only solution is to make the Dollar fall. If we "default" they will more than likely lose their jobs, if the banks "fail" they will lose their jobs, if they cut as much as would be needed to reduce the debt they will lose their jobs. Inflation is the only way I see for them to remain in power with the staus quo. The trick is to do the inflating slow enough to remain in power. If I am missing something let me know.
“Men of experience succeed even better than those who have theory without experience"
Yes but don't tell that to the many indoctrination camps scattered throughout our land. Some go by the name of Berkeley, Penn State, etc, etc.
America defaulting on it's Debt? Every time I hear some idiot say that, I want to puke. Could someone please explain how that is possible? The interest on the debt as a percentage of tax revenue was 11% in 2010. There is no way in hell that we are defaulting on the debt. ANYONE in the media or any government official that says we're going to default as a result of not raising the debt ceiling 8-2-2011, is either profoundly ignorant or an out and out liar. Neither is good. It's shame that 98% of people who think they are journalists, just frankly are not. The level of stupidity in that "profession" makes me cringe. It's a sad state of affairs we have in America. The libertards have succeeded in dumbing down the populace.
The enactment of ObamaCare meant "the Europeanization of America is coming to pass, for individual choice and opportunity are being replaced by statism." That law is transferring 17% of our national economy from the marketplace to full control and regulation by the federal government.
And that is just part of the problem.
Over the past three years, our nation's economy has become more and more like some of the fragile and overextended statist European economies.
FACT: The federal debt held by the public as a share of GDP was 40.3% in 2008, 53.5% in 2009, and 62.2% in 2010, and it is estimated at 72% this fiscal year.
Everyone can agree that we must change our policies before it is too late, so that we do not end up like Greece or Italy.
So the public policy results of the next election must be business and individual tax reform—lower rates on a flatter and broader base, repeal of ObamaCare, and reform of entitlement programs (slowly raising the Social Security retirement age, adding in block grants to the states for their own Medicaid rules, etc.). Add in the elimination of farm and "green" subsidies like ethanol,continu e banning earmarks, and get federal spending down to 20 percent of GDP.
FACT: None of these policy changes will be possible with President Obama in the White House or Democrats in control of the Senate.
America needs new political leadership to get our economy back on track, leadership in the hands of those willing to actually make the basic decisions needed.
We need the kind of leaders who made America great in the last century so that it can remain successful in this one.
Things are looking bleak. While Standard & Poor's and Moody's threaten our nation's credit ratings over our level of debt, one smaller ratings agency has already lowered it. Egan-Jones Ratings Co. downgraded the U.S sovereign debt from triple-A to double-A plus, understanding that the lack of spending control is an essential challenge to our economy in the future. S&P's and Moody's may eventually come to similar conclusions.
"Associate with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for it is better to be alone than in bad company." George Washington
Magic wands and money trees d. There has to be money, they still have checks.
Do we stand on our heads and spit nickels?
The most basic principles of accounting and economics indicates that we will be best suited to mind our expenses and curb our spending. Every business understands this, every responsible American understands this. IMO, the debate is over.
Think of America's AAA rating as comparable to an individual's FICO credit score. When an individual gets into financial distress, his FICO score drops like a rock. It does not wait until bankruptcy is filed. Similarily, our nation's credit rating is in risk of decline when imprudent and unsound fiscal policies are in play, as they have been for decades. I am amazed the we have not already been downgraded due to the reckless spending of irresponsible Congresses. The obvious corruption in DC and in the ratings agencies has stalled the impending downgrade, but it will happen soon. There is no one to bail US out except each one our us requiring fiscal policy be returned to sane levels. This requires a major house cleaning in 2012 and all big government spendoholics ( includes Dims, Repubs, Progressives and Socialists) must be removed.
Doubt it regarding S&P. They play with the politico daily and as such are rather wishy-washy in that while they are more than willing to hand out the magic number of 4 trillion, they refuse to pin it down on either cutting spending or looting those named in their "500". Also never forget the fruits of their deductive reasoning's made in 2007.
Especially Harvard.
We do. But does our spendthrift government understand this? I think not.
That would be Fannie and Freddie, and the bundeling of flakey mortgages and selling them as good investments, if memory serves.
It is readily apparent they do not. "We uh, have to spread the wealth around, ah a little bit. It's good for everyone." BHO to Joe the Plumber.
News flash to the President and Congress…The wealth that is left in the United States is flowing off shore faster than a hooker finding out she was in church. Yes the wealth in your favorite Corporation GE and others you don't like, and the taxpayers hard earned income is going along with it to pay the nations debt.
Yep OldmanRick, These are some very interesting times and perhaps dangerous.
You Betcha, the debate was over in November of 2010. The vote was taken and We The People decided – Stop The Spending.
Wash, it's too bad I can only give one thumbs up. I do agree with Alan on the current flakiness of the rating agencies.
Well, you can forget about the Hobbits in middle earth….
Reminds me of the ancient Chinese curse: "May you live in interesting times." Well, we sure are doing that. I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop so I can pack up and head to the mountains..
"…….Does America Defaulting on It’s Debt Mean We’ll Need a Bailout Like Greece?……."
Does asking STUPID questions like this one help frame the argument,…….
in their favor.
maybe sell some of the gold in ft. knox? Gold is topping $1600 an ounce…
THERE WILL BE NO DEFAULT
THERE WILL BE NO DEFAULT
THERE WILL BE NO DEFAULT
Please stop repeating the libs' bullsh!t propaganda.
Sam's revenues are ample to pay the ineterst on the debtt ten timjes over.
Yeah, never mind being rational just capitulate to the regressive ninnies. Good ol' John (reach across)McCain needs a boot in the pants. WTH!
“We must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude.” — Thomas Jefferson
And some of those who were elected to exercise common sense, and good judgment based on presumed integrity have folded under pressure.
We will never get the nation's finances under control as long as these dingle berries are concerned with votes. How many times do we have to tell them not to worry about it because we have their backs? Man I would like an opportunity to address them in total. They would all walk away with red faces, every last one of them.
Yep, it is the message that has not been made in the media I owe $100 in credit card debt. If I pay interest only, I don't make a dent in the principal, but that does not mean I am insolvent. However, to use another credit card to pay the 1% interest only ($1) on my existing debt of $100 only makes the ultimate debt that much higher, and I move closer to insolvency. Oh, and the second credit card charges 5% interest. Are the journalists that dumb, really?
Yes exactly! It is the lack of funds after they pay priorities that they are wanking about. Not enough discretionary funds to spread around for votes. Perhaps having to shut down some bloated government offices and lean things out a bit. Maybe claw back some of the Stimulas cash which might cause a little red ass with unions and others. Yeah, integrity left town at light speed.
Personally I enjoyed this article. I thought it was excellent.
“Men of experience succeed even better than those who have theory without experience”
The article refers to Bill Gross and PIMCO.
PIMCO was the single largest holder of US Securities. Those who pay attention to PIMCO know that they stopped buying additional Government paper a long while back, while they quietly began to unwind their position, in an attempt not to spook the market. Bill Gross is probably one of the smartest guys around.
Let's look at the idea of the US defaulting.
I have stated here repeatedly over the last week to "SHUT THE S.O.B. DOWN!"
I ought clarify that. I never meant, or implied that the US default on our obligations. I do mean that the Government should be shut down.
The world turns, and moves on the Yankee Dollar.
All commodities are settled in dollars, including oil.
The question of the US defaulting, and who would bail US out leads to another larger question.
Bail US out , WITH WHAT?
Quite frankly, and personally, I have more than enough experience. I no longer do anything for the sheer joy of doing it, or for the practice.
Too bad the Government didn't operate that way.
It is out of control.
we haven't been downgraded yet because we're the largest economy on the planet and our currency is (for now) the reserve currency.
'Ol John has never been a Conservative and has always been a little too Progressive….
He's like some old fart who's constantly chasing kids off his sidewalk….
Funny, it's now clear the Republican leadership was uncomfortably (for them) close to success with their
initial vote…
Scared the $#iT out of them… they really only needed to lock in their position, go to work on a few wishy-
washy CONgressmen who were riding the fence. Did we even notice how quickly the Republican leader-
ship pivoted and retreated from that powerful position? Most hardly noticed at all, because they ran away
from it so damn fast. Now they're saying the fix is in on a compromise with the Senate…
Compromise is for gutless wonders! Reid and Boehner's dog & pony show rides again!!! This damn coin
has tails on both sides…
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My "Wish List":
1. The bogus boehner plan is KILLED in the House. (If not, it will go to the Senate where dingy-harry will make it even worse – including a free pass for obozo's re-election efforts throughout 2012 – and send it back to the House, where the House Repubs will be on the hook to pass the atrocity or leave the government with no increased spending authority – and the d-cRAT socialists and their stooges in the socialist media will see to it that they get ALL of the BLAME for that.)
2. NO-PLAN-OBOZO unilaterally increases the debt limit to continue the reckless, out-of-control irresponsible, wasteful, Greece-like d-cRAT socialist spending. (He will then be IMPEACHED by the House.)
3. ALL the credit agencies DOWNGRADE the US from AAA to AA. (That will finally prove to everyone that the d-cRAT socialists and establishment repubs are doing nothing but blowing smoke up America's butt with their bogus "debt-reduction plans.")
4. Cut, Cap and Balance becomes law and the Budget Balanced Amendment is adopted by the states. (This is the ONLY way that washington's political hacks will act responsibly – if they have NO OTHER CHOICE. Of course, the first step REQUIRES a Repub Senate and a Repub president to join a Repub House, which can then follow CCB even while the states vote on the BBA. )
Oprah?
: ) Does asking STUPID questions like this one help frame the argument,…….. in their favor."
Coke flew out of my nose…. I hope that makes ya happy!!! >:-]
Chuckle, chuckle…
It's not at all difficult to grasp, Mr. Arps: Krugman is quite simply a rank hypocrite and a paid hack for the Vast Left Wing Conspiracy. Here's a quote from his take on the deficit as of November 2004:
By August 2009, Krugman executed a near-perfect pirouette in the opposite direction:
I guess everything depends on which party is writing the rubber checks…
Yeah but when the lawn needs cutting he is all smiles and nice words.
There is nothing worse in this world than an enslaved man who naively believes himself free, except, perhaps, trying to explain to that same man his predicament. You can lay truth after truth before his feet. You can qualify your every position with cold hard irrefutable data. You can plead and scream and raise veritable h e l l, but before he will ever listen, he must first become aware of his own dire circumstances. As long as he views himself as "safe and secure", as long as he imagines his chains to be wings, he will see no reason to question the validity of the world around him, and he will certainly never invest himself into changing his own deluded destiny.
Hope to see you there if it does. Just look for the guy shaking his head and spitting fire. Well on second thought you wouldn't know me from anyone else then. I'll work on something.
damn.
Just as we were going to visit Sauron for a loan…
according to some sources there is little to none left there; it's mostly in the hands of the foreign owned
Federal Reserve bank in New York.
But we also supposedly paid off the Red Chinese in gold plated tungsten bars.
They found out and were pretty pissed…
she would still have billions left over.
Good call…
and he expects it done for a glass of warm milk and a few stale cookies….
I know the whole story
I'm on of the few people, I know, who managed to read the 'Silmarillion' without going into a coma, and no, I didn't see any of the movies….
The only way we will default is if government fails to make cuts. This means shrinking the newly expanded government. This is the lie. They would rather default, than shrink government. We can pay our bills, we just need the monstrosity of government removed, something neither side is willing to do.
This could be done without touching Social Security, and other so called entitlements. We paid for them, making it repayment of debt to the taxpayer. They have already defaulted, when Obama ran the printing press. This is a default on all taxpayers and U.S. bond holders.
Raising the debt ceiling would be yet another default on your children. Insuring they will never no prosperity, until they throw off the chains, we allowed them to be bound with. Cutting government to a constitutional one is everyone's only hope. Good luck
good for you.
The books were a little dense for our tastes; the movies gave a nice 'Cliffs Notes' version which we're REALLY good with…
Capital into Gold is far safer now. Gold or other commodities increase in value without payroll, insurance, healthcare, etc… They can also hold them until more favorable tax laws return, especially Gold. Or by holding it create a shortage and sell when profit is maximum. Or they can just ship it to another country to sell and escape the tax man. Things are going to get scarce soon. When the dollar collapses capital will be $0 otherwise. This is why you will see no recovery, until we get rid of most of the Progressives and NEOCONS, who keep spending like there is no tomorrow.
Thank you for being educated on the matter. I agree %100. I've been pulling my hair out over this very thing. STOP LISTENING TO THE MSM AND YOUR ELECTED LYERS. They just don't want to cut government. At least someone else sees the truth. I keep trying to correct the others. Keep up the good posts!
No we just need Republicans to stonewall anything else, except for cuts. This would at least be triage until 2012
Only because we created them (rating agen.). China has already downgraded us.
I seldom see the movie, after reading the book, as I'm often dissapointed….
Funny the big o doesn't call in the U.N. to take over "negotiations", install troops to keep the domestic peace and hit the U.S. up for monetary support. UH, wait a minute!!!!
Boy they fooled you. We need cuts now, not in ten years. We can pay our bills by reducing government waste. That would be every unconstitutional Federal Government Agency, EPA, ATF, IRS, TSA, and countless others. Add the ridiculous earmarks, For things like Studying Gay men's penis size affecting sexual behavior. Then add the State departments Renovating extremists Mosques in Egypt (currently illegal to aid terrorists). And finally stop borrowing money to give in aide. I could go on for hours but you should get the point.
I'll be the guy dressed and armed like Pancho Villa and dragging a 150 lb pack loaded with all sorts of goodies.
Check. And that will distinguish you from the others? LOL
'LOTR' fans generally like the series; they chafed at the 'Hobbit' being passed over- but it is being made now, too…
All my goodies go bang. I sure hope you folks haven't taken all the deer and elk by then. Cause I'm gonna be mean hungry.
She is partly responsible for getting the girl scout in the White House elected after all…..
………She should do her part to fix his mess…..She should "think of the children"………..
I actually prefer to read…
I try to get few hours of reading, before turning in. It' keeps me from ruminating about work…
She's proved to be a poor judge of character….
easily snookerd by slick talkers and pitch men….
he'll be calling them to monitor the election…..
and stand alongside the New Black Panthers…..
Used to read a LOT more- now it's almost all research.
The quest for knowledge never ceases…
"She's proved to be a poor judge of character…."
She's screwed the American people "big time" twice………Obama……….and Dr. "Land" Phil…
Those two transgressions would get you deported in most countries…
"The quest for knowledge never ceases…"
I'll take "Something you'll never hear in the White House" for $200 Alex………..
I'm so sick of hearing about "Nobel Prize" winners! If Krugman and Obama can get one, I wouldn't hire the Nobel Prize Committee to mow my lawn!
Well put. We need to do a little community organizing. We need to make folks think about a litmus test for candidates. Ask is they believe in reducing government. If not tell them to take a hike.
ho!
Good one, Primer…
Most of mine is research, as well…
I'm a little more picky about the books I read for entertainment, as I hate it when authors pull facts out of their asses….
and stoned in others….
S&P's own projections in 2007 proved themselves completely lacking. Sure they played the "everyone missed it" card but that wasn't "everyone's" specialty now was it? There's a study that shows historically rating agencies are more often than not a lagging indicator of the state of things rather than a leading one. They can't even beat a coin toss.
or watching my children….
Hell, i wouldn't trust them to feed my goldfish……if I had one….
Incorrect. America's rating is also tied directly to its value as the country of origin for what essentially is THE world currency. The fee for such is having to deal with the US as it is now and will be later. Mind you that doesn't lend itself to scary scenarios wherein people in the know make billions but…
Good stuff. It's amazing how we've regressed as a nation since the democrats took control of congress 4 years ago. China's growth rate for 2010 was 9.2%. For the sake of argument let's say they're lying and it's half of that. It would still be nearly twice that of ours.
Keynesian economics is illogical because the money being spent is not being created by the federal govt, it is merely being redistributed from other productive sources. For Keynesian economics to work money would have to be directed into projects that become self sustaining, not endlessly dependent on tax dollars. This of course is what we refer to as the private sector. The communist Chinese and former communist Russians understand this basic truth which is why they’ve adopted capitalist policies while our dimwitted leftwing traitors are moving towards a more expansive and unsustainable socialism.
I don't know if you noticed, but many nations are trading without the dollar already. The FED itself has called for a new world currency. Most nations would have already dropped it all together. They are still trying to salvage as much as they can, by slowly shifting away from the dollar. If it was fast, they would have worthless paper. They probably still will, but just less of it.
I might consider hiring them to pump out my septic tank with drinking straws…but that's about as far as I'd be willing to go.
I'll be the guy you step on before you even know I'm there. Travel light and fast and leave nothing in your wake but wailing and gnashing of teeth.
I see this situation has given you pause as well. I can't escape the sinking feeling that Reid is saying he'll kill Boehner's bill only to ratify it once it squeaks through the House. Then it's on Obammy's desk for a signature with nothing to be done about it. I'm feeling rather betrayed.
Indeed. We can all say "I was there when the Strength of Men failed".
I hate to say it, but I have never trusted the State of Ohio or their politicians. For me, they epitomize the term "Purple State". They can't be relied upon in a pinch.
Wow! That was some seriously boring crap right there! Hat's off to you, pal. You have more patience than I do!
I've heard that rumor as well. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if it were true. It would be just like our elected politicians to sell our collective future for a bag of magic beans.
If America takes not-so-drastic measures(cut spending)soon enough there will be no default.
Keynesian economics and progressive ideology are not mutually exclusive but complementary. One can't not deny progressivism and embrace Keynesian economics.
only when I'm hunting…
After that, I had to go on a bender and kill those brain cells off….
yes, sadly, we can….
sorry about that one there pumpkin but,…….
sure glad coke ain't flying INTO your nose.
In 1968, the federal government defaulted on every silver certificate and silver bond. We did not need a bailout.
In 1933, the federal government defaulted on every gold certificate and gold bond. We did not need a bailout.
In and after the civil war , the federal government defaulted on every silver and gold certificate and silver and gold bond. We did not need a bailout.
The video that the Obama administration does not want you to see!
Here is proof of one of the many elaborate Welfare Housing Projects paid out of the Social Security budget. How can Barack Obama tell seniors they are not going to get their social security checks when this is going on in his adminstration. Average home owners income here is $13,000.00 per year and each home cost the taxpayers of America $185,000.00 – Do you want four (4) more years of Barack and his "Change"?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu6ok5ykyuQ&fe...
The video that the Obama administration does not want you to see!
Here is proof of one of the many elaborate Welfare Housing Projects paid out of the Social Security budget. How can Barack Obama tell seniors they are not going to get their social security checks when this is going on in his adminstration. Average home owners income here is $13,000.00 per year and each home cost the taxpayers of America $185,000.00 – Do you want four (4) more years of Barack and his "Change"?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu6ok5ykyuQ&fe...
The video that the Obama administration does not want you to see!
Here is proof of one of the many elaborate Welfare Housing Projects paid out of the Social Security budget. How can Barack Obama tell seniors they are not going to get their social security checks when this is going on in his adminstration. Average home owners income here is $13,000.00 per year and each home cost the taxpayers of America $185,000.00 – Do you want four (4) more years of Barack and his "Change"?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu6ok5ykyuQ&fe...
Bernie Madoff is rank amatuer compared to these crooks
That rhetoric is nice and all, even sells too to the media but we're still paying for million dollar equipment from Germany, China and India in US funds as per their request. The same too regarding trade licensing fees, deposits, dock fees, office leasing and a myriad of government fees covering such as well in both China and Germany. Until those I see request millions in some other currency, I'll stick with what I know for a fact to be true and that is the only ones expressing uncertainty about America's value make a fortune ON THE BACK OF UNCERTAINTY.(fortune being $$$, power or political skin, take your pick or why settle on just one…)
As for the FED itself, when hasn't it been afflicted with politics? Also when have you EVER had a president so enamoured with a World Order wherein America is just another country?
Back atcha Brother!! If anybody doesn't notice I do know how to use my CAP key. obama doesn't deserve my respect.
Will we have to bend over like the Greeks? Will we need lots of grease?
Man's doom is he forget his past!!! All these POSs need to do is study history!!! It's all been done, before.
think of this, then- what if these people- the big bad bears, so to speak, were just 'showing' us these riches all along, and just took them back?
The gold isn't going away, it's just changing hands- and this coulld be WAY cozier than anyone thinks.
They just wait it out while we destroy each other and split up the spoils which increase thousandfold.
Nice scam.
Man can be pretty evil when he sets his mind to it…
Yes me too. I am behind those hold outs on this one. The talking heads are blaming the TEA Party and I will take that blame squarely. In the end it will be a lauding of those who stood fast against continued spending. Things are about to get real bad and real soon. Thank Governor Bob and a sane Assembly for a fiscally sound Virginia I tell ya.
There's an old prospector's saying…gold is where you find it.
Trust me when I tell you, if it's out there…someone WILL find it.
I got about 40 pages in before I thought to flip through the book to see if the whole thing was that way. Then I donated it to the public library as a joke and went and had a six pack.
As far as hunting goes, I'm just patient enough to put the meat on the table. It's like fishing. There's no sense in wasting time over unproductive water. I'll pick up and go to where the fish are.
It pisses me off that Cantor is backing Boehner in this insanity. I used to think he was someone who could be trusted. Apparently, it's all about politics for him now, too. That swamp we call DC corrupts everyone who ventures into its foetid bowels.
It's not that kind of hunting…
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