Obamacare Chart Redux: Proposed EPA Car Labels Deemed ‘Confusing’
by Capitol ConfidentialAt the height of debate surrounding Democrats’ proposed overhaul of the American health care system, a chart purporting to explain the complex web of regulations created by the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act infamously made its way around the Internet and through congressional offices, inducing mockery of the legislation.
Now, as the Obama administration looks to overhaul labels affixed to new cars and aimed at pushing consumers to “go green,” both proposed label designs are being critiqued by prospective car buyers as “confusing”—with some opponents of the labeling scheme joking that one of them looks a bit like a dumbed-down version of that Obamacare “structure chart.”
According to a poll of 456 Americans over the age of 18 looking to purchase a car in the next three years conducted by branding firm Siegel+Gale, nearly 40 percent of those surveyed found this label proposed by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) to be confusing:
Even worse, 66 percent of respondents trashed the “simpler” label option, which prominently features a letter grade denoting the car’s “green-ness.”
Both labels purported to illustrate data applicable to a gas/electric hybrid vehicle, one of the types of car that the administration is reportedly most keen on pushing consumers to purchase. But both failed to take appropriate account of the factors car buyers consider most important when shopping for a new vehicle: miles per gallon, and cost-per-year to run.
Siegel+Gale’s survey demonstrates that even among Democrats, environmental considerations are a factor in determining which car to purchase for just 25 percent of consumers. A full 38 percent of respondents said that they would buy a car graded less than a C—a damning result that draws into question the ability of EPA’s plans to influence consumer behavior at all.
Despite survey results like these and a wave of criticism from automakers, auto dealers, environmentalists, and others, the administration appears intent on pursuing the new labels. EPA will be holding hearings to discuss the proposed labels jointly with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration in Chicago on October 14, 2010, and in Los Angeles on October 21, 2010.
In addition, the administration is soliciting comments on the labels via email at newlabels@epa.gov. There’s no word yet on what survey respondents may care to share with the regulators beyond what Siegel+Gale have already identified, though EPA staffers are likely bracing themselves for some angry emails.
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WoW!
That's onehelluva organizational chart.
Whoever came up with that, must have been on some good LSD, or some real good psylociben mushrooms.
It's going to be a freaking nightmare. Good luck getting health care !
Only government can come up with something like that.
You want to know the real funny part?
I'd bet five hundred dollars that the arse-wipe who CONcocted that flow chart, for the life of him, could not rationally, or logically explain it, if his life depended upon it, without looking at a manual.
THAT chart, in the top frame, is emblematic of what is wrong with out Government.
You're right, but I bet the SOB couldn't explain it even with the 25,000 page manual.
Our Government is so big, it's stupid !
They have a choice:
Dazzle them with brilliance
or
Baffle them with … ahem … the dimocrat agenda
The dumbest people in the world are in government.
What a giant waste of money……. but that's what government specializes in, don't they?
[C]an an individual get a kidney transplant to save their life when there are 10 SEIU members who want their bunions fixed…
Exactly. "Coverage" doesn't equal care. The socialist faithful just don't seem to get that.
Wow, that chart looks as complicated as the IRS tax code that changes every year to suit them.
I guess that's the point.
On a completely different subject….
Does anyone else find it interesting that Obama can make reference to "… it took time to free the slaves" in a speech and the MSM crickets are silent as normal. Wonder if they would react the same if G. Bush would have said the same thing in the same context.
I know… I'm just a racist, homophobic… etc… etc… etc….
Looking at that chart makes me dizzy. I wonder if the EPA knows that if everyone uses electric cars that there's a huge chance that we'll have a blowout in the electricity. Wait. They don't care about that.
Must not know of the Civil War between the 57 States.
How would you expect a Kenyan to know?
Shocker, the EPA being confusing and spending our Tax dollars on junk!
In looking at this chart, I am reminded of what it looks like when paintball guns are randomly fired at a wall.
The only difference here is, they put cute little words in all of the splats, and neither one makes a shit bit of sense.
Cowboy, I have partaken in both of those substances and never came up with anything that ridiculous. Now if I were a collectivist…
Layers upon layers of new federal offices sucking your tax dollars….I can simplify it….
Doctor < > Patient
Patient < > Insurance Carrier
Doctor < > Insurance Carrier
Cowboy, the chart was devised by Republicans to show how idiotic Obamacare is. So your point is exactly correct (except for the part about the arse-wipe who concocted it).
Only label I want to see out of Washington D.C. is the Impeachment Label stamped on Obama.
Please, please don't take this the wrong way, buy you're sort of dumb, huh? I assume that since you post to the site, you have access to the internet. If you're not sure how to spell a word, please take two minutes (or less) and look it up! It's psilocybin. Next, the healthcare chart is not real; it's the invention of two Republican legislators and their staffs, Senator Sam Brownback and Congressman Kevin Brady. It's designed to purposely be confusing, though I daresay many who come to the Breitbart sites would be befuddled by far simpler pictures.
Carry on foaming at the mouth, now.
Maybe not inaccurate…just a stupid analogy!
That chart will save money.
Proof.
There is a chart = jobs created & saved.
That is a proof.
A message from Theo588, a maggot infested, salad tossing, parasitic, abnormally unenlightened, limp wristed, metrosexual, envious, waste of oxygen dweeb, whose only concern is, “what’s in it for me!”
Don’t take this the wrong way.
The chart neglects the jobs created/saved from the 1st 4 billion dollars invested.
It's all perfectly clear to me. This is another example of noblamas transparency shining through.
Chrystal-meth Clear.
Obviously, they're all on drugs.
"The socialist faithful just don't seem to get that."
The "socialist faithful" are blithering idiots. Hence the "socialist faithful."
yes, but you are not a college professor on lsd, i think you would understand it if you had those qualifications. just try and read a computer manual, and add one layer of administration for each sentance on each page, and you might get halfway there. oh, and all those new offices on this chart will each need a fresh supply of cash, year after year. and each new office will need it's own office building, and police force. then add the interoffice administration staff, and all thier cash and offices. and remember, if you own a business your insurance costs will drop, what was it 2500%, and i have a bridge to sell you in brooklyn.
"The dumbest people in the world are in government."
The dumbest people in the world are the ones who put them there.
sorry, but you are wrong, this flow chart was created by somebody who read all the fine print in the bill, and i suppose you are now going to tell me you did?
Here's the problem… The gov is expanding exponentially and unconstitutionally. Gov needs to get back to its roots… 3 branches. It has taken it upon itself to expand into areas it doesn't belong… like dictating how to display "green-ness" on a acar. It's stupid and appalling.
Cass Sunstein written all over it.
Hope we can make it to Nov?;-D
.
"So, historically, there is nothing inaccurate about Obama's statement."
Except for the implication that he is pursuing something equally noble. A more honest statement from obama would have been:
"It took time to free the slaves. It's gonna take time to put you all back under slavery."
I say BOYCOTT ALL NEW CARS until gov gets its nose out of the industry. There's plenty of great used cars out there to hold us over….
I'm tired of the gov influencing the cars presented to me to buy as new! I want a simple car… I am only interested in pre 2007 cars from now on.
" buy you're sort of dumb, huh?"
Please by all means take this the way I write it. You aren't dumb since that means can't speak, and I see you do that well, so I will say you are stupid instead….go on look it up. DUMB go on….look!
Next….BUY means to purchase. Go ahead look that up too. I daresay many sorros trolls such as yourself who come on adult sites, are uneducated. mmm mmm mmm
Right, but I wasn't talking about the implication. The previous comments suggested that Obama's statement was historically inaccurate and that slavery magically ended overnight. I was just pointing out that this was not true. In Obama's mind, I'm sure he believes that he is on a mission equal to that of freeing the slaves, as ridiculous as that sounds to us. This shows his ego
I see you're just full of mushroom fertilizer…………………..
Government labels designed to eliminate the confusion is confusing — ROFLMAO … that's the plan isn't it. I wonder if a Kenyan could understand it.
Big government needs a75% reduction.
Slavery by debt and overbearing regulation.
Since you say it is designed to confuse, can you point out the errors?
Our problem is that middle America just doesn't get it. They have gotten used to being "served" by government. That way of thinking has to stop. Not sure if we can get there.
Please take this the right way, you're an asshole !
The stickers don't take into account that coal powered EVs get electric power from central power coal plants, central power plants are only 32-35% efficient, any gas or diesel engine is an improvement over that poor performance. So not only confusing they are deceptive, really just a big lie.
I want to buy a car with an F score so I can frame the sticker and hang it on my wall.
I will not submit.
To the person devising the system, yes Shrooms or LSD is probably accurate. To the person who figured out the system and made the ridiculous chart, I suspect a mainline of coffee + adderral was necessary.
Run along, now, Star Trek is on, and your mom just thawed out some uncrustables for you.
Imagine a country with no federal government, it's easy if you try.
40% found it confusing, 66% didn't like it, 25% 'said' it would affect their decision, and about 98% couldn't really give a sh!t less.
meaning the all-knowing, all-powerful, all-benevolent nannies at the EPA will ram it up our a$$es anyway.
Ah all your favorites, right troll boi?
Theo honey time for your nap!
Glenn Beck chalked up that chart, admit it.
But Theo! …you might hurt someone’s feelings with that ugly tone. Just a thought…why don’t you get yourself a bowl of Coco-Puffs, and watch some toon-toons, I bet Captain Planet’s on, and you can dream of a world without petroleum products, and come back and play later with a better attitude.
That would be some incredible chalkboard work, even for Beck.
Where do I get me some dam bait? Or rather a copy of that chart. That is fucking awesome.
Damn Holms….looks like a motherboard with some Democratic campaign buttons glued on…
Nah, think it was mescaline and tequila.
Actually it would be a good role playing game for the WII or XBox. Got all those cool levels to work through until you can get your leg set. Could make it real violent shooting bureaucrats and such.
Touche.
It is mind boggling to know that Harry Reid is tied with Sharon Angle.
"It is mind boggling to know that Harry Reid is tied with Sharon Angle."
Well, to be fair, it's
Harry Reid + Millions of Dollars + A Compliant Media + Senate Majority Leader Position, is tied with Sharon Angle.
All things considered, I think Sharon's doing a great job. And, I think she's going to win.
Yet so many fall for it. Same with the lightbulb crap. What do they think is going to happen when tens of millions of pounds of mercury are in our landfills?
Nanny State = Epic Fail
I understand that.
This is at least the second, maybe the third time that chart has been used in a thread.
Looks like a disfunctional map of D.C.
The time has come to down size government — back to 1787.
Retake on a Paul Simon song:
50 Ways To Lose Your Dictator.
1. Hit the road Barrack…
I bet you wouldn't be the only one.
got to love government math.
I don't recall seeing patients on the chart???
Does this so called "green label" grade the car on just the car itself, or rather on the entire process required to produce, manufacture and deliver that vehicle to the consumer? A car that gets great millage or even is all electric may actually be much worse for the planet over all based on the raw materials used such as plastics (petroleum), methods of manufacture, energy required to produce, even the trucks burning fuel to deliver the vehicle, energy required to produce batteries along with the toxic waste it creates, and the electricity needed to keep the vehicle charged. Electricity comes primarily from coal fired electric plants after all. It may actually be better for the planet in the long run to go ahead and buy that "D" graded vehicle. If you trust the grading system you first have to believe that the govt even knows how to save the planet or what makes a car actually "green". Seriously? They can't even balance a check book.
i was thinking the same thing…. the dodge dually mega cab pickup should qualify for an F as well as being able to haul your entire home behind it.
My dodge dually might get an F grade, but it could easily transport 150 ppl. with its towing capacity.
No, he/she was just a nameless, faceless bureaucrat trying to make a few points along the career path. Really though, this is probably a product of some government committee after months and months of holding meetings to decide when the next meeting will be. When all else fails, hold a meeting. Been there, done that.
What's the difference between Abraham Lincoln and Barry Oblahblah? Lincoln freed the slaves, Oblahblah is enslaving the free.
Consumer Reports did an analysis on whether or not you truly save money by buying and driving a hybrid car. The result? NOOOOOO!!! They said that hybrids cost so much more to purchase, and do not really get the kind of mileage they boast in regular use, and I guess they can also be outrageously expensive to repair – ESPECIALLY if you keep it long enough to have to replace the BATTERY (which costs THOUSANDS of $$$). Don't EVER buy one used.
The ObamaCare org chart was prepared by the staffs of Con. Kevin Brady and Sen. Sam Brownback. Those poor kids went through the bill and devised the flow chart. Impressive piece of work. 'Physicians' is at the lower left corner and 'Patients' is at the lower right corner of the chart. That's a lot of bureaucy between the two main players in this scheme.
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