The Heat is On: Congressman’s Office Says Constituent Calls Are ‘Harassment’
by Capitol ConfidentialYesterday, I decided to call Rep. John Garamendi’s (CA-10) office in Washington, D.C. He’s my representative and I wanted to voice my opposition to the Senate Health Care Bill. I spoke with a female staffer and politely told her that, while I support health care reform, I oppose the Senate Bill because it wasn’t true “reform.” She said the Congressman thinks it’s a good bill and that he campaigned on health care reform. I told her I knew that. I also mentioned that I voted for him. When I tried to give her specific reasons why the Senate Bill would harm our system rather than reform it, she refused to listen. She said she was very busy and hung up on me. Being the persistent person that I am, I kept calling back. Each time I tried to finish my point, she hung up.

I called one more time. This time she said, “If you call one more time, we will notify Capital Police.” I asked why my conduct warranted involving federal law enforcement agents. She said I was “harassing” her. I tried to explain that trying to convince a representative to change his or her vote didn’t constitute “harassment.” Before I could fully explain, she hung up again.
I called back. This time, I asked to speak to her supervisor in order to report her repeated hanging up as well as the threat she made. I was placed on hold. Thinking I was holding for her supervisor, I was shocked when a Federal Agent with the Capital Police picked-up the telephone.
At first, the Agent was curt with me. He claimed I was harassing Mr. Garamendi’s staff by continually calling after being told to stop calling. I asked him when it became a federal crime to lobby a congressman. He said that it wasn’t but it was a crime to “harass” congressional members and staff pursuant to 47 U.S.C. 223. I told him I was an attorney (which I am) and that I would research the statute he had cited.
After researching 47 U.S.C. 223, I called Mr. Garamendi’s office again and asked to be transferred back to the Capital Police Agent. The Agent picked up the phone and I explained to him that the statute he cited was not controlling since it only prohibits people from calling with the specific intent to harass. I further explained that I was simply trying to voice my concerns with the intent of getting Mr. Garamendi to change his mind, not to harass his staff. The Agent eventually agreed with my position and said he would call Mr. Garamendi’s office and instruct his staff that I was within my rights to call my congressman and voice my concerns.
After I hung up, I realized that this story should be told. Besides being an attorney, I’ve also had the privilege of serving this great country in the United States Marine Corps. Having seen the ugly legislative process the Senate Bill had been through, I saw this as not just another tactic to pass the Senate Bill at all costs, but also as an affront to our liberties.
While I’m fortunate enough to be able to legally challenge what happened today, others aren’t. The sad part is the democrats know this. They know that Americans unfamiliar with federal jurisprudence can easily be silenced when threats to involve federal agents are made. They know that most Americans don’t want trouble and they’ll go away rather than face the possibility of having to explain themselves to federal agents. That’s why I found this tactic appalling, as a Marine, as an attorney and as a proud American.
During my final contact with Mr. Garamendi’s staff, it was confirmed to me that he would vote for the Senate Bill no matter what. I was told that I was wasting my time by calling. Mr. Garamendi is a junior member of the House of Representatives. He was just elected via a special election last November. He has made it clear that he is willing to forsake his constituents in order to please the Speaker of the House.
Speaker Pelosi has said that she will stop at nothing to get the Senate Bill passed. She publicly stated that she would “pole vault over a wall” if barriers stood in her way. While that may be an amusing spectacle, it is indicative of what happened to me today. Apparently, threatening Americans with federal crimes to silence them is the latest tool in Speaker Pelosi’s dirty bag of tricks.
In the coming days, I’m sure more stories will develop illustrating the “win at all costs” tactics being employed by democrats. It’s these tactics that have appalled a majority of Americans to the point that the Senate Bill has overwhelmingly been rejected by the American people. When we try to explain that to Speaker Pelosi’s Caucus, we are threatened with criminal sanctions. We are told to shut up or face federal agents. Such treatment may be acceptable in the former Soviet Union, but it’s repulsive in the country I love and served. Is this hope and change?






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Civil War is coming.
Papers Please!
"We are told to shut up or face federal agents. Such treatment may be acceptable in the former Soviet Union, but it’s repulsive in the country I love and served. Is this hope and change?"
I have new visions of Ruby Ridge, and Waco.
This is indeed a Constitutional Crisis.
Lets hope not.
Hmmm. Where have I heard this sort of thing before?
“I don’t want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them just to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess. I don’t mind cleaning up after them, but don’t do a lot of talking.”
~~ Barack Obama, at a rally for State Senator Creigh Deeds, Tysons Corner, Virginia, August 6, 2009
“Apparently, threatening Americans with federal crimes to silence them is the latest tool in Speaker Pelosi’s dirty bag of tricks.”
If I may add that I believe that Speaker Pelosi is, herself, just a ‘tool’ in Mr Obama’s ‘dirty bag of tricks.’ In fact, I believe that this Administration is incapable of conducting business using any other means.
They are all a disgraceful display of perfidious politics run riot.
When did Pelosi become the "boss" of our representatives? WE voted for them….. they DO NOT work FOR HER or for the White House. I feel like I'm at the carnival house of mirrors.
John Garamendi’s Washinington office is 202-225-1880
Funny, I keep getting a busy signal. What's up with that?
Sadly queen pelosi and her court jesters will not stop at anything, no matter how ILLEGAL or UNCONSTITUTIONAL it may be. It may be time for the conservative legal minds of this country to start filing IMPEACHMENT proceedings against these clowns. Besides RAPING our Constitution, the must surely be breaking the law too!
1st: Tip of the hat to an old Marine standing tall.
2nd: Rep. John Garamendi’s (CA-10) cares nothing about the Constitution which both the writer and the Representative (representing who?) swore to uphold, and now the Congressman is supporting Obama's drones in shredding.
The lines are drawn. We the people must exercise our authority as the real stewards of the constitution and vote every one of these current elected representatives and senators out of office. I'm thinking more and more that GOOOH has the answers.
It's not hope, but it's definitley change.
I agree with USArmyMom above, war is coming, at least it will be if the liberals don't listen to the people. I'm almost surprised some wingnut hasn't already taken matters into his own hands. I don't want to see that happen. I want to see government work for us, not dictate TO us.
Washington Times is calling for Obama's impeachment today.
Call them back.
The poor staffers wouldn't get "harassed" so much if their bosses weren't crapping all over their own constituents.
Members of Congress should have to spend an hour a day answering their own phones by law. As it is they let staffers deal with the outrage while they sit in cushy private rooms having a martini with their co-conspirators
It really should be a requirement of the office.
They leave us no choice, they refuse to listen.
If they think phone calls are harrassment, wait until after they "pass" this mess and the American people REALLY start harrassing them. I'm afraid that the 2nd American Revolution is about to begin. While I don't want to use violence, I will NOT be run over by the marxist cabal in Washington, DC.
If 36 states are going to sue to stop this, they can call a convention and force the government to accept and amendment to the constitution, to then be ratified by 38 states. That threat and activity is enough to make the presiding judges in these cases to lose their appetite for liberal judicial activism.
obummer and pelosi are just tools in the bag of seiu,soros dirty tricks
CL, agreed. It certainly feels like something very serious is about to happen. Maybe that's why the ammo shelves, in the stores, seem to be bare much of the time. People are getting desperate.
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2010/mar/19/impea...
The Slaughter Solution is a poisoned chalice. By drinking from it, the Democrats would not only commit political suicide. They would guarantee that any bill signed by Mr. Obama is illegitimate, illegal and blatantly unconstitutional. It would be worse than a strategic blunder; it would be a crime – a moral crime against the American people and a direct abrogation of the Constitution and our very democracy.
It would open Mr. Obama, as well as key congressional leaders such as Mrs. Pelosi, to impeachment. The Slaughter Solution would replace the rule of law with arbitrary one-party rule. It violates the entire basis of our constitutional government – meeting the threshold of "high crimes and misdemeanors." If it's enacted, Republicans should campaign for the November elections not only on repealing Obamacare, but on removing Mr. Obama and his gang of leftist thugs from office.
It is time Americans drew a line in the sand. Mr. Obama crosses it at his peril
O M G ! ! ! Why am I not surprised? Wonder how long this harassment statute has been
in effect? Kind of a catch-all, he said, she said deal that no one could really prove. Only
lawyers need call their Congressmen. Ou oh, I just swerved into an idea, soon in order
to contact your Congressman you will be required to fo through your lawyer. It's a new
jobs program. Finally I'm getting the hang of this Socprolibrism. Hug a lawyer today!
Where?
I can't find that anywhere.
Perhaps the answer lies with our local county sheriffs … http://www.newswithviews.com/Stang/alan192.htm
Red Dawn comes to mind as well…
Have you noticed that also?
the party of tolerance? is the party of arrogant elitest scum
Calling them–what they are–helps too.
more like the horror house….
It's not going to be papers or card…. It's going to be a micro chip just like our dogs.
So this is how full throated Marxism gets started in a country like Venezuela. You vote them in, they get disconnected from the electorate, and then they subvert the rule of law.
There will be a lot more intimidation and use of coercion and force in the future if we don't stop it. The treason media, meanwhile, tries to pretend there is a consensus for the takeovers and what is going on.
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Go to http://www.house.gov/ and http://www.senate.gov/ and find your Congress-person's names and office FAX numbers. Then write a letter and FAX it to them. FAX it several times. My letters all state that I REQUEST the staffer who gets the FAX from the machine, to GIVE it to the Congress-person.
In the meantime—prepare for the worst. God Help Us.
I am happy, for the first time, that my father, a Bronze Star WWII vet, passed on 4 years ago and isn't here to witness the destruction of the Constitution and country he loved and served.
To be fair, it is a columnist: Jeffrey Kuhner, who wrote the column. It's excellent and highly recommended. p. 13 at the bottom of 3/19 WT.
We are all beginning to learn how Travis felt, when he looked out over the wall at the Alamo, and heard Santa Anna's buglers playing Degüello.
These elected "representatives" should fall on their knees and thank God we are law-abiding citizens.
If we were Leftists, we would be tipping their cars, protesting in front of their homes all hours of the night, burning storefronts and igniting homemade bombs.
They're not afraid of us, but I keep trying to think of ways to MAKE them that way.
That's why Soros is at the top of my list, and I won't be going shopping.
I like to think of it as a Revloution.
If they use the slaughter rule and reconciliation to pass this, can we use the same rules to override presidential vetoes and impeach the president? Seems only fair.
I would have liked to see Obama's face if Brett Baier would have asked him that Wednesday night when 'Bam said the procedural process is not that important.
I agree, I think now that Civil war is unavoidable.
And they bill us for the martini..
To use a worn out quote: "We are days away from fundamentally changing America as we know it."
Well folks, you asked for it, you got it. It damn sure isn't a Toyota.
Welcome to Hope and Chains.
Skeeter, I'm afraid the spirit of civil war is already here. We also know that the administration and congress are lighting all the fuses necessary to bring about the "crisis" they will rely on to justify any action they intend to take against us. A flood of bad legislation, regulatory overreach, subversive executive orders, overwhelming federal courts, land grabs, federal authority over ALL water in the US…………..
The pieces are all being lined up. The best we can do is be aware of what's happening, and to prepare.
OK, OK, I'll leave some for you guys.
They're not going to get a dime from me. And how many more million of us are saying the same thing? This bill, even if it does get passed, will never be implemented.
My sentiments exactly.
If you noticed in that article, the big city/country sheriffs are all idiots and/or neutered.
So that majority of people cannot be saved by the sheriffs.
Exactly. And this is why the Washington Times is calling for Obama's impeachment today.
I didn't vote for Obama but I'm pretty sure that there are a lot of folks wanting do-overs.
"THE PEOPLES REPUBLIC OF CALIFORNIA" is led by nut's and has been for years. California used to have the fifth largest economy in the world, wonder what it is now?
If we don't start a revolution at the ballot box someone will start one in the streets! Better new blood in D.C. than blood in the streets of D.C. Don't give the Progressives the emergency they need to institute martial law (I wonder how the Military would respond?) because it will never end!
They have no ears, they refuse to listen, they must be removed. The only thing they will understand is the butt of a gun.
This is appailing. These people work for us. It is obvious that the only way they are going to get the message is to clean house in November. Thank you for posting this. It reconfirms what I have always believed. Our government is not there to serve our best interest but their own agenda's.
A note to the progressives. We will take our country back, November is coming.
Inserting a federal bureaucrat in-between me and my doctor is an act of war.
I'm not disputing any of the things the Federal Gov't is doing… there's no doubt that they are attempting to execute a massive power grab.
However, until we no longer have free and fair elections, civil war is the wrong answer. I agree that we most definitely need to be aware and to prepare… but the actions of civil war are not warranted at this time. It would destroy any hope to salvage our Republic. Civil war is what they want, and we can't give it to them…. not until they take away our free elections.
Thanks for the account you posted. These kind of instances have a habit of being copied, emailed, and soon become viral… My gut feeling is Garamendi will come under intense scrutiny in coming months, and anecdotal recounting of his actions vs. constituents will not place him in a favorable light with California voters.
People like that aren't fit to govern a bowl of Sea Monkeys®
Semper Fi!
All,
From here forward, you must ask those running for office if they intend to do the will of the represented citizens, or the will of their party, or the will of the President. You MUST ASK if they truly intend to uphold and defend the Constitution. You must ask if they feel the Constitution is a binding agreement, or if they feel it is a "living document", subject to interpretational whims and personal feelings.
You must interview candidates, you must ask hard questions, you must not relent when your questions are met with obfuscation, platitudes and slogans. Settle for nothing less than honest and honorable representation. If you cannot find it, run for office yourselves. You can do it. We can take this all back.
Hawaii is currently trying to set up a Freedom of Information harassment rule. If you make the same request more then once it can be "deemed" harassment and ignored. Never mind that it is SOP to only give what is directly requested and that a word or two in a request can fundamentally change the info received. Add to that the natural tendency for Bureacrates to do as little as possible and the window closes and the mushrooms grow in the dark
Nicely done chile
At what point does this President go so far that the military take over and take him out of the white house in cuffs? This looks like treson to me
I think Waco and Ruby Ridge are appropriate visions to call up. However, this time it will be some compounds in DC that will be under siege. US citizens are not the useless sheep of the Soviet Union, China or IRAN.
I have been suprised that some bad hasn't happend before now. I am fearful of what could happen on the mall this weekend.
didn't the FDA recently approve something like this? i could be wrong, but i seem to remember them clearing a micro chip for humans, similar to what we use for our pets.
The Police State has arrived. Hugo Chavez…
yep, here it is
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6237364/
Please America you can't let bay area libs run the house. Any vote for any democrat is a vote for pelosi.
Joe, if you knew how many times an Article V convention had been requested by the states and ignored by the congress, you might be amazed.
Check out this site for a quick history of these requests.
http://foavc.org/
From the site:
"Are you aware that We The People are being denied our constitutional right to an Article V Convention to propose amendments, despite a whopping 748 (or more) Article V applications from the state legislatures of ALL 50 states?"
From our Declaration of Independence:
That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
Let's not forget this!!!
Hats off to this courageous attorney – veteren. Now that you have seen first hand the contempt that this administration has for our Constitution, research and support the effort to have our bogus president exposed and prosecuted for usurping an office the Constitution prohibits him from holding. He has literally overthrown the Constitution he swore to uphold and set himself up above the law.
The Constitution requires the President to be "Natural Born"; not merely "native born"; or "naturalized", etc. It also limits the office to only those who could have been admitted to citizenship AT THE TIME THE CONST. WAS ADOPTED. Obama isdependent entirely upon the 14th Amendment for his citizenship, he likely would have been a slave (not a citizen) at the time the Const. was adopted. There are essential reasons for these restrictions on "dual loyalties", Obama has clearly shown why they are there.
as soon as he started the sob story, I muted it….could hear the wife in the back of the house shouting 4 letter words….lol…whimp….
If ACORN and SEIU are counting votes don't count on fair elections any time in the future.
I hate to say it but I believe ArmyMom is right but before we get there a military likely purge is needed, that would be the only way for him to consolidate enough power to go Chavez on the country…
If they think they are being harassed now, if this passes they'll think this was tame compared to what they'll be receiving!
Off the hook? Much like "Landfill" Mary!
Skeeter J.
John K has a point. Your point of view while being reasonable is not allowing for the un-reason being demonstrated by many of our elected officials and most especially the appointed non vetted czars.
When the laws are so distorted as to make it legal to withhold water from our nations farmers–there by reducing the food supply for our entire nation, something is grievously wrong with our lawmakers.
So shall your poverty come like a prowler, And your need like an armed man Proverbs 24:33-34
He who has a slack hand becomes poor, But the hand of the diligent makes rich Proverbs 10:4
This proverb can be adapted to the losing of our liberty.
Just a little bill here, just a right given up there and like an armed man or a thief in the night your government steals your freedom.
This staff worker is your TYPICAL democrat.
We’re gonna harass you out of a job soon!
Has the sleeping giant awakened? I hope so. These enemies of the Republic MUST BE STOPPED!
It really doesn't do much good to call them, they are not listening to us !!!!!!
I do know we must try though !!!
I called my rep a few times, and a staffer answered and just gave me the um's and ah's then just patronized me!!!
I used to get answers to my emails, but now they are not doing that either !!!!
We can only vote them out !!!
We have a new candidate thats going to run, for the first time, here in my district !!!!
Ex-Army Ranger, and a recovering lawyer, he answers my emails in person, no form letters, I like that !!!!
He has the same ideals as the Tea Party !!!!! We got lucky to have someone like that step up to the plate !!!
People need to seek out these kind of people and convince them to run for office !!!!!
Hey Chile, this is something you have brought to light, Obama puts Czars in place so they can write laws and legislation or regulation without having to go thru congress, congress just gets in the way(i.e. HC). So "folks" would be Congress, the "mess" is the Constitution.
See this http://www.redstate.com/aarongardner/files/2010/0...
Cowboy Logic
I thought I was the only one who kept reflecting back on all the things I read about both Germany and the Soviet Union…. and how you had to submit to inspection when ever you traveled or entered a building.
OF COURSE civil war is the wrong choice. It's not a choice that ANY Patriot would make, and it's nothing that we would force. It flies right in the face of everything we stand for. Peace, unity, the rule of law………
But then there's the other side of the equation. If a foreign country declared war on the US, we might not want to fight, but we would not have a choice.
Likewise, if a subversive element inside of our own government declares war on the Constitutional foundations of the nation, we are not inviting the fight, but we will have no choice.
No, we're not there yet. But if it comes to pass, we must be prepared for whatever is forced upon us. And we must be prepared to win.
I know what you're saying
But we still have elections! We The People still have the power to elect people to office who will shrink government and stop such egregious encroachments upon our Liberty.
Once we have no more election, thus leaving us no recourse to address our grievances, i'll stand with anyone who wants to exercise our last option to preserve our freedom. Until then, I can't, and won't, support violence.
What the rep does not seem to acknowledge perhaps because he is stupid is that Obama and Co are going to relieve him of his office and his pension. Obama doesn't want a Congress and by voting for this bill; they have just opened the door to unemployment for themselves and no retirement pension.
I hear skid row calling to these bums and I am going to let them stay there.
It is here.
It is real.
It is now.
I AGREE that violence is a last resort, but can't you imagine that there were lots of people sitting aroud in 1776 saying "sure, taxatkon without representation 'sucketh' and everything, but let's not get carried away and call up the militia." There is a time, when words have failed and liberty for ourselves and our children is at stake that freedom-loving people must act.
Elections that are monitored by ACORN, and the Black Panthers!!! Feel better about your statement now?
Over my dead body!!
I wouldn't feel too bad for those staffers, they chose to be there.
And because our government knows it would destroy our country, our corrupt leaders and politicians
will do ANYTHING to prevent such a situation. This means they will lie, cheat and steal from the american people including subverting the WILL OF THE PEOPLE.
"If ACORN and SEIU are counting votes don't count on fair elections any time in the future. "
Point well taken.
I believe it is a distinct possibility that they are trying to push us to civil war or armed resistance. But, i think that armed resistance would only give them what they want- a reason to impose their Statist agenda in one shot. True, they are attempting to do these things as it stands now- but there are still options to stop them… options that don't include armed resistance. I pray we never come to that point.
p.s.- Missy, I always enjoy your comments and appreciate your views.
I don't need a gun….. If all I am left with to fight with at this tyrannical knockdown drag out fight is a FLY SWATTER…. someone’s going to have waffle marks all over them.
Or save it…
#1 after Health Care Reform…Immigration Reform…per the Obama, according to ABC Radio news…
Those votes are needed either to usurp the process, or blunt dismissal from office those that perpetrated this fraud…
You may want to re-consider that position…before you're forced to "…n_t up, or shut up…" as Tallahassee says in Zombieland…
elaine
It needs to be understood that the party is not a concern for them….there is a push against the people to cause riots so Marshal Law can be claimed. Then we would be told either it was not a healthy climate to vote in so we must postpone the vote or opposition would be eliminated in one manner or another. There is one other option the vote could just be stolen by the SEIU and ACORN (or what ever it changes it's name to)
Look, i'm not looking for an argument.
I feel great about my statement. I've never seen an ACORN employee, nor a Black Panther where I vote.
Does it happen? Yes, i've seen the video of the Black Panther thugs intimidating folks at the voting booth.
Is it the norm? I would say no, not even close.
Do our election results reflect the will of the people? My answer is 'yes.'
They haven't seen angry men, yet.
Ok, if you think that armed resistance would save our Republic, you're certainly entitled to think that.
Personally, i think the government would institute Martial Law and then we'd all be screwed. It would give them a reason to institute all the egregious policies which serve to suffocate and extinguish our Liberty.
"No, we're not there yet. But if it comes to pass, we must be prepared for whatever is forced upon us. And we must be prepared to win."
I agree, 100 %.
yeah, I definitely don't. I meant the "poor" to be sarcastic, and if they don't want to be bombarded with angry phone calls they should remind their bosses who they work for.
Broke…
I pray that we avoid war but at the same time there is one crucial step that every dictator needs to do in order to take total power…
Make it legal…
Last week I'm not sure if you noticed but the wife of Clarence Thomas was in the news regarding her involvement in the TEA Party…
If you recall PMSNBC, CNN and ABC asked the question of whether or not Thomas would be forced to recuse himself from issues that she supports in her private life…
If they succeed in forcing him to recuse himself from ruling on the "health" care bill then he will have succeeded in "making it legal" by nullifying the Supreme Court…
Do you believe that is a stretch or am I on to something here…?
Not till heads on pikes line the streets of washington will there be respect for the american people or the
rule of law.
I think you're right on.
Personally, i think they would love for us to give them a reason to institute Martial Law.
Your stimulus dollars at work for all. What a joke…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SK_5WFZIh9g&fe...
These are the same people who want to run your healthcare, and control your life…
How ironic it is that a "national ID card" is being floated as part of the coming "immigration reform" effort?
And O'Reilly thinks that's a "good idea."
[...] Issues, Free Speech, General Stupidity, Politics) I tried to just get a bit of this to link back to the original, but decided to post a lot of it. I hope that’s ok with these guys. It is extremely important [...]
I read a couple of things about the wife of Clarence Thomas and her being involved in the Tea Party movement.
I don't think its a stretch assume what you're saying is a distinct possibility…. They are attacking any and every thing they can, in order to complete their radical, transformative agenda. We've already seen Obama's and the Progressive's disdain for the Supreme Court… mix that with a little bit of Saul Alinsky, and I think you have a dangerous combination.
I still maintain hope that if we get enough people, we can stop them. I also think it would be foolish to not be prepared for the worst…. which, in my opinion, is armed conflict.
The rank and file won't stand for it…
But the Command & Control structure requires the Congress, specifically the Senate, for promotion and fiscal allotment for their goodies…
If we get a Petraeus or a Franks, I would hope they speak out vociferously against the Obama policies, and delay or disrupt implementation as much as possible…if they're a Powell, you might as well put the cuffs on yourself, and save time…
If this thing does not get passed, then I think the Dems will just get slaughtered in the elections in 2010 and there will be no unrest.
If this thing does get passed, but the Dems subsequently get slaughtered in 2010 and the Republicans repeal it all, then I think a crisis will be averted.
If this thing does get passed, but for whatever reason is not immediately repealed after 2010, then I am afraid you might be right.
The behavior shown by our congress is beginning to look like the many complaints against King George, as described by our Declaration of Independence. Threats against those who oppose them and rewards for those who agree with them are evident in so many ways. It is as if we, with our friends and families, have become hostage to this corrupt process in a way that is no different from having someone threaten our own children. In California, two yes votes are coming from farming communities that have had their livelihood taken from them, only because of the promise that their water will be restored. This is like a rolling Soviet pogrom. Those who oppose will be destroyed.
History has shown how that type of arrogance has ultimately been dealt with. A YES vote for this abomination may well be the last straw for the cowards who hide behind this system of federal threats and rewards.
You're a good scout, we need to answer to God now because I am personally terrified what may follow, if they succeed in legitimizing one member what's to say more are not ot follow..?
We stand on the edge of the razor and one step either way will destroy us as a united nation and tear us apart at the seams.
I will personally do what is within my power to prevent a conflict but I don't believe that the communist in chief will allow us to have that choice.
We are very very close and we must prepare for a storm that none of us want.
Keep your powder dry and keep a weather eye on the horizon…
Yep, he wants to make his mommy proud! wtf, just like screwball Kusinch (sp) these fools keep leaving out the people they should be doing it for!!
Its real simple…
Work hard…find the best conservative constitutionalists candidates, and do your utmost best to get them into office…
Be vigilant…make absolutely sure you have people at EVERY poll, and watch EVERYTHING like a, well, cliche as it is, an eagle…bring your own thug just in case the ACORN and/or SEIU people do…and don't let ANYONE intimidate you…
Be positive…be polite, but be firm and unmovable…the Hand of G-d is with you…as well as most of the United States of America…
And be ready…just in case…
I absolutely agree 100%. Us contacting them OUR REPRESENTATIVES, NOT STAFFERS, is guarnteed us in the constitution in the FIRST AMENDMENT REDRESS OF GRIEVANCE! They are SWORN to PRESERVE PROTECT and DEFEND the Constitution, not Usurp it!
1803 Chief Justice Marshall stated " A law that is repugnant to the Constitution is VOID" If this bill is signed into law it is void because it is repugnant to the Constitution.. And by what AUTHORITY does the ZERO have to sign it as POTUS??? He was NEVER properly certified under 3 USC 15 and Amendment XX of the US Constitution. Until that time of PROPER certification, HE IS NOT THE CERTIFIED QUALIFIED POTUS!
Soros and Susstein – cuff them together and toss the key
Impeach. Impeach. Impeach them all. But, question is, how do residents redress this grievence when their representatives openly reject their constituents majority opinion? How do we, the citizens of America, peacefully reject thier onslaught against the constitution, our liberty, and our lives? There must be a way to begin impeachment of representatives outside of the Washington machine.
Just called my congressman's office. Asked the staffmember a question and she completely ignored me. Told her she was being rude and she asked "What do you want me to do?" I said, "Well, you could answer my question". She said she wasn't a specialist in that area and I told her that doesn't mean she should be rude. I also had to ask 3 or 4 times whether not answering my question was rude or not. She finally admitted it was. She asked me what message I should pass on to my congressman — I told her that she should tell him that she was rude and did not treat his constituents with proper respect.
I should throw this idea out there, because there is more than one way to skin a cat. (apologies to cat lovers)
"Civil war" doesn't necessarily translate into "armed resistance." In fact, that's the one approach that gives government the biggest advantage.
But if the 50% of the population that actually pays taxes peacefully chose to withhold their money, government folds.
If the 55% of people opposed to government run health care choose to peacefully refuse purchasing coverage under any "government exchange" system, the legislation folds.
And if any massive boycott of legislative/regulatory action, you can count on the SCOTUS to step in to put the brakes on a Constitutional Crisis. It's happened before It can happen again.
We just need to keep up the conversation until we've gathered the right kind of resistance.
Who said, "We have not yet begun to fight?"
What's his name Batt, so we can get behind this
Call Bart Stupak @ 231-348-0657 and Thank him for standing up for human rights as opposed to standing with the depraved indifference the democratic party has embraced. Reports have stated that his family is being abused by the left. These are the same people who stalked the wives and children of AIG executives, the same people who beat a man who disagreed with them at a town hall meeting, the same people who declare the end's justify the means. He should be applauded for his morality and convictions to stand with the American people. Call him and Thank him.
OReilly is a weenie coward…like Obama, he's only out for himself….EGO!
If they want to try martial law, that's where the Oathkeepers come in. http://www.oathkeepers.com
It is a lot easier to vote congress and anyone else we can out of office this November. We need to institute term limits in the voting booth.
Unfortunately they will look you in the eye and LIE!! Do they have to sign something when they enter office like this stating they swear to tell the truth, whole truth and nothing but while in office? I think that should be added to their oath. Lying under oath is a FELONY Punishable with up to 10 years in Jail for PERGURY.
If on the other hand it were a proper military coup led by the Armed Forces, with an 18-month transition back to Constitutional government after the Constitution had been suitably amended so as to outlaw all vestiges of socialism forever, it could be a very good thing.
It's however probably too much to ask that during the interregnum, all persons deemed guilty of participating in or contributing to the Ogabe regime's rise to power be stripped of all legal rights and reduced to helot status,
Can't ELECTED voters recall elections? HOW??
Congress has now declared themselvs as "DOMESTIC ENEMIES OF THE CONSTITUTION" and shall be treated as such.
Yeah, i only catch the last couple minute of his show– the re-runs on before fox and friends– so i'm not too familiar with him… i was under the impression that he was a conservative, with a little libertarian hint, but i guess i was wrong? that's too bad that he supports a national i.d. card.
I didn't either. Saw this coming a mile away. Most people are asleep, but if MSm had done even a hallf assed job this guy would not have been elected. We would have had to deal with Mccain, but he would have been a lot less dangerous.
If you haven't already read it get a copy of Friedrich von Hayek's The Road to Serfdom. It is an eyeopening book written in the 1940's relating what happened in Germany to the United States and the road that it was and is still on. There is also a condensed version on the internet that was published in Readers Digest.
Oh yes. His argument goes like this: "We have to do 'something' ". "It's the 'only way' we can be sure that illegals are not getting hired."
The "only way." The man is becoming harder to listen to every day. If he were in politics, he would be the poster child for your typical RINO.
I just don't understand. If the majority are so much in favor of healthcare reform why must Congress resort to these contorted gymnastics to pass it? (sarc/off)
very interesting points here
"We just need to keep up the conversation until we've gathered the right kind of resistance"
Most definitely… this is immensely important right now.
Skeeter, we no longer have free and fair election here in Ohio. Google "Steve Christopher" to see just how corrupt the Ohio Secretary of State's office is…
Who do they think is going to impose this martial law?
It's time to replace both Garamendi and the Staffer to show them just how much we think they are working in our best interest!
Please remember to vote in Nov. 2010 and 2012
Just did and left lengthy message. I don't love his policies, but I have newfound respect for him. At least he stands for something and appears to have principles ( hope he doesn't roll).
Maybe we need to sue the media…
Hey Skeeter, I know you saw my other response, but I wanted to add it again here. "Resistance" does not necessarily mean "violence." We have many tools at our disposal. Tax resistance; legislative boycott; etc.
And my favorite "battle cry,"
WE WILL NOT COMPLY.
Why do people like you always think that they are the only constituent? I bet Mr. Garamendi gets plenty of calls telling him to support the bill.
That's easy. They just don't know how much they actually support it – only Nancy can divine how much we actually like this bill. And once our fearless President actually reads the bill, he'll like it even more too. ( sarc).
Perhaps our cities are beyond saving…
I have been thinking along the same lines as your first paragraph. Why not simply deem the veto bill as "passed" and revert the law?
Don't wait too long, time is short to call together your brothers and sisters in arms and prepare for the worst…
I'm doing it right now…
I fear for the future…
No dark premonition should be discounted. But even if Thomas was "forced" to recuse himself from health care reform, he WOULD be involved when the States bring up the 10th Amendment cases.
One way or another, if and when this fight becomes a Constitutional one in the courts, we will win.
The law and the Truth is on our side.
I have said just what you said USArmyMom, if this unconstitutional Bill passes I will not buy their insurance and I will not pay their equally unconstitutional fine. If they want to arrest me they can go ahead because I know Constitutional lawyers will be lining up to represent the first victim of this Bill pro-bono. And if some radical activist judge ruled against me (or other victim) then I'd feel more free in a jail cell getting my free health care and free meals then I would as a prisoner out in the world having my wallet emptied by socialist who are using it to pay off lazy welfare leftist for their votes.
Hey, well said!
Politicians have been lying to our faces for decades, from both parties, it IS damn well time we take this all back.
But it will never happen while We The People are so divided. Its WAY bigger than Obama. Throwing Obama out won't change it, just like throwing Bush out wouldn't have changed it. With the rubes so fired up right now its bad timing to talk about how We The People need to come together, but it is reality nonetheless. With the type of rhetoric slung by 99% of the people in here, and me calling right wingers rubes as a result, it just won't happen.
In the red.
Hon,
they have a job flippin hamburgers for the old and the young and the not-to-smart.
For all else–"guberment" jobs (get in line tho, if you are caucasian as it someone elses turn)
Don't let them catch you bartering! All transactions must be Fed taxed. (including CO2, they already started that)
[...] The Heat is On: Congressman’s Office Says Constituent Calls Are ‘Harassment’ [...]
O'Reilly is a dolt.
He cuts off people he has on as guests to get his own opinion on and acts like he know the subject.
He's never really well prepared.
ANYONE who supports an ID card is the enemy.
Build the fence – but that would not be giving CONTROL to anyone.
I sent the following QUOTE to the “President” via their Whitehouse.gov contact form, so if I end up in a re-education camp you’ll know why:
“This White House and this Congress are so radical and corrupt that we need a coup. Americans will rebel against this cramdown. In defense of the U.S. Constitution, our liberties, and our freedoms, I would support your overthrow by any means necessary. Better a civil war than see you succeed with your radical evil agenda. I’m hearing you on the radio now. What a pathological liar you are.”
I note some “fear” martial law, but I would like him to commence martial law, then that just sets the stage for an outright revolt and Revolution. Such a move on his part would hurt him far more than it would us. It would be the biggest mistake he ever made. Governors would revolt. The revolt then would go in full swing. Better a civil war than see Obama succeed.
There is no reason why our senators and congressmen need to be full-time in DC. Bring them back to their districts and states they serve. This way we, the people, can keep an eye on them. They will not be under party influence or influence from lobbyists. We will know what they are doing. They don’t need to be in DC to cast a vote. Technology has come a long way, hey why not just use Go To Meeting. Look at your senator and congressman, look at how many offices they have in their district plus the one in DC. What waste. One office, one staff should suffice. This shouldn’t be a franchise.
This story is disgusting. There is no way I would stand for this publc servant treating me this. We the people pay the bills, we pay the salaries of these public servants. We are in charge. This staff member should be fired. In the private sector that is what they would be facing. Name me one business where the employee is treated better than the boss. Where the employee makes the rules the boss has to follow.
Wise up and take action. The time for beng nice is way past over. The time has come for action. The time has come for grabbing them by the short hairs and throwing them out.
I think that was the point of not enforcing the border.
Do you think this will ever see the light of day on NBC, CBS or ABC? NO! This ‘representative’ is out of line! Can’t take the heat? Get outta DC! It’s time to throw ALL of them out! Not one of them is bringing a damn thing to the table that will strengthen our nation! We’ve exported all of our manufacturing to Red China. We don’t want to drill in the Gulf of Mexico, but the Russians can drill there? Are you kidding me? It’s time to give this nation a proper flushing! Out with the enviro-nazis, the communists, the anti-American thugs! If it means protectionism, even isolationism, so be it! America has been the top of the tree for many, many years. WE MUST be that and more!
Let's hear from Reid's wife and daughter! Let them tell us all about the horrid care they received at the hands of greedy doctors after their car wreck.
What bribes did Boccieri get?
im still trying to figure out the excusses senators and congressman always come up with when you arent from there district and they just blow you off. Wait a min sir: just because you might be from a liberal/democratic district that i dont live in doesnt mean i shouldnt talk to you to voice my frustration Your vote will affect everyone not just your little districs. Leave it up to the state to make a choice then you can live there if you want dont force it on everyone.
These clowns really do think they are royalty. Their retainers threaten legal action for bothering the aristocrats.
This is not going to end well for a lot of them
I doubt that the uber-lefties would allow even that, be prepared…
This was my response to one of the "journalist" hacks:
After reading two versions of the SAME news — thank God for the internet, ay?! — re. the 6 short votes of the socialists for their HRB we can at least appreciate the fact that we can now decipher the pro-socialist activist "journalists" pushing the bummer's version, and the anti-socialist, outraged by this scummery journalists. The public is on to the leftist/Progressive Jihad against American system of government masquerading as "journalism" in our media, so let's give thanks where it is due.
Yet another, and perhaps even more important, silver lining in our present struggle is that Americans — all of them, Republican, Independent, or Democrat, like myself, lifelong committed Democrat – are finally stirred up. They realize that they have a real war, a civil war, on their hands. They understand that the real goal and agenda of the "liberalism/progressivism" — In my book they are no liberals. They are Socialists and Marxists! — has NOTHING TO DO with altruism and doing well unto others and for the downtrodden, but EVERYTHING TO DO with control, conformity, government supremacy, submission, and surrender.
I have been a registered Democrat from the moment I had the honor and good fortune to become an American citizen, but this??? Turning this greatest, most wondrous Constitutional Republics of western world to Marxism and tyranny? This is change???………NO NO NO thanks.
Violence done in any other case but self-defense or defense of another loses the argument and loses sympathy. We are right. We cannot lose that moral high ground by instigating or advocating bloodshed. It is foolishness. We have a process; it is broken, but it can be fixed. Do not be afraid of the personal stake you have in the hard work to come.
Square up and work with us.
Those two are not the only problems; consider how the Democrats stole the election in Washington State – keep the recounts rolling and keep forging ballots until they win.
Likewise, put the "right" person in charge of counting the votes. That's the Lt Gov in Alaska.
“I spoke with a female staffer and politely told her that, while I support health care reform, I oppose the Senate Bill because it wasn’t true “reform.” She said the Congressman thinks it’s a good bill and that he campaigned on health care reform. I told her I knew that. I also mentioned that I voted for him”.
You delivered your message that you disagree. She heard you. Calling back to say the same thing is redundant and could be perceived as being hostile, especially when you escalate in this way. You can move on with your day now.
The only thing that I can truly guarantee to you Missy, is that I am prepared. And I am preparing my family and friends. To-wit:
"And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor."
If this bill passes and people learn what is in it they are going to crap. You DO realize that the enforcement agency is none other than our beloved IRS. And if you don't pay your proper fines OR enroll in 2014 they are the "collectors" with the force of the federal gubmint behind them. Know what that means ?
Liens on your paychecks, garnishment of your wages, harrassment from the IRS, liens on your personal property with the likelihood of confiscation or FORCLOSUE. So…. For all of you dunces, morons, imbeciles and low IQ fools…this is your HOPE & CHANGE ! Enjoy it, losers….
Welcome to the club! I called my Congressman (Dave Reichert) in regard to "Cap-N-Trade" to find out if he read the full text of the bill. I called everyday asking the question but never getting an answer (the even sent me a canned letter that did not answer the question I asked) I was given a "single point of contact" (Russel) who would not answer. After several days of this they started transferring me to the Capital Police who informed me my "privilege to contact my rep by phone or email has been revoked" I asked for the law that gave them the power to revoke "my privilege" and was never given one. I have a RIGHT as a US citizen to be able to redress my government for grievances…. I kept calling until Dave's Chief Of Staff gave me the answer I was asking all along…
BTW. Dave DID NOT READ THE BILL BEFORE HE VOTED ON IT!!!!
After all this happened and I felt my constitutionally protected free speech had been abused I called the Justice Department (that went no where) and tried to file a complaint. It is nearly impossible (unless you are a minority or a woman) to get a complaint started. OUR GOVERNMENT AT WORK!!! If the do not read the bill did they read the Constitution?????
The time has come to remove these CommieLibs from power "By any means necessary". They should be physically dragged from office and jailed for willfully violating the Constitution.
Keep calling! We pay them to represent US. What don't these arrogant people get? As the old sage Biden put it, voting for this bill will cost Dems their jobs! For the first time, he is RIGHT!
John Garamendi only cares about those big fat envelopes full of cash that he gets from insurance companies.
I have to confess to being surprised (and impressed?) that a Cap Hill cop could discuss the finer points of the USC with you.
Semper fi! Thanks for posting this account. My folks had a similar experience calling Rep Mitchell's office in AZ.
If they think that's harassment, they're all in for a rude surprise.
Evidently that is why the IRS is buying new pump 12 gauge Parkerized shotguns.
NOT "CIVIL WAR" ! ! !
Words have consequences.
"Passive resistance" "Protest" "Boycott" or something like that, fine.
Say "civil war", and the feds can break out the guns and declare a national emergency.
Let Obama order the first shot fired. Do not fire the first shot.
(And clean your firearms.)
Civil war is around the corner if the Supreme Court does not intervene. This cultural war will unravel this country. Precisely what ObamaShitFuck wanted. We are in trouble, fellow patriots ! Keep cool heads and a low profile for now. Hell is soon upon us from this DICKtator ! It can be unravelled in November with defunding and repealed in January of 2014 when this stinking SOB is voted out !
[...] Read the whole story at BigGovernment.com [...]
seriously. all of these nuts have lost touch with reality.
I pray that you are wrong, but I fear that you are right.
I bet the "fine" actually is withheld from you wages to begin with, and then YOU have to provide proof of insurance to get it back, like a tax refund. Betcha anything.
This burns my hide!!!!!!!!!
See, thats the thing, you need me too, to make it happen. We're all minorities if we're going to insist on labels, minorities can't make it happen in a Democratic Republic.
You ain't bringing shiit, except to move toward your ideology amid the same corruption and lies we've had all along.
You show you would recall a republican for breaking promises and lying, I'll start to trust your motives.
The support is unanimous among "those who count".
Who counts"
Those who support…
That would assume that the law applies to them…..??
I find it hard to believe that are no skeleton's in THEIR closets. Time for a spring cleaning and that means looking in the very darkest corners of the attic and basement. Especially that of the Speaker!
False Hope and loose Change
Last year, I called the House of Representatives and the FIRST time I called the staffer threatened to call the Capital police on me. She wanted my phone number and I told her the same thing this guy did.
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It is frightening that there are Americans who think that being threatened with harassment by a secretary because she will not allow to explain your position is "being hostile".
I do not agree with comments as to civil war, but I do have concerns over the increasing reaction by progressives to shut people up if what they have to say goes against their desires.
You shut your mouth when you're talking to me!
I recall that Barrack Obama-Bin Ladin is a Harvard-trained "Constitutional lawyer".
Kinda makes me wonder whose constitution he studied to model his presidential style after – Kenya, Indonesia, Soviet Union, North Korea, Israel, or just plain Sharia Muslim "law"?
How many of these posts are coming from White House Staff surrogates? Hmmnn.
My, my. So many commenters not signing up so we can track them.
Good point, DTOM. It's precisely because they know we're law-abiding citizens that leftists run roughshod over our demands.
I don't give a damn what you trust, frankly. I don't need to prove one damn thing to you.
Ofail
You will go to jail. Try to stop sending your taxes to the government and see what happens. You can't stand up against big government.
Real Americans are outraged. Those of you who go about your day will be in for a surprise…
Exactly! If they try this, they'll have to insert a chip into my corpse.
the time for talking seems to be drawing to a close
They are sadly mistaken if they think the heat is on now.
All they've truly done is awakened a monster that won't go back to sleep.
I contacted both senators and my district rep by e-mail to ask them to vote no. The only response I got was a canned e-mail from Senator Boxer that tells me in very polite words that she to going to vote for the bill no matter what I sent to her.
The Republicans won't touch it. Under the former Republican Congressional leadership, they couldn't even make tax cuts permanent.
I'm afraid I agree with you. I have never felt this country so close to an irreparable fracture as I do now. The massive bureaucracies and welfare programs that progressives have put in place are near impossible to roll back. WE are heading for complete economic disintegration. I would not blame states to announce secession and since 90% of our military come from the patriotic southern states it is doubtful the government could marshall them to prevent it. If what happens in the elections of 2010 and 2012 is simply a changing over of power from Democrats to Republicans without a radical redefining and restriction of government power then sign me up for the Civil War scenario.
Civil war has been waging since 1992, you just don't know it yet.
A list of all politicians that voted in favor of the bill will be made – coincidentally obituary columns may eventually list the same names…………………………..coincidnce – or not?
ATF is now seizing BB guns, so….
http://bunkerville.wordpress.com/2010/03/01/atf-s...
Civil war? Not yet. That will only become necessary when they start to postpone or cancel elections.
You are very perceptive. Venezuela is the best parallel to the trend occurring in our own country. Consider also that even Howard Stern–albeit for motivations related to the FCC–is calling out the Democratic party for behaving like Communists (his word, not mine), saying he will never vote Democratic ever again.
Political sites–even the more mainstream, establishment ones–are littered with calls for impeachment, revolt, and civil war.
You are also right to say that now is the critical time to resist these tactics, and to vocalize our opposition. I hope they do not touch the Internet. Senator Rockefeller's bill is not a good omen, however.
March 2010 Second Revolution
so easily is freedom lost.
I don't think that Waco & Ruby Ridge will be what you find happening.
Sadly, I think it would be more like a mix of what we saw at Waco & Ruby Ridge and what we saw of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City.
Welcome to the dumbing down of America and the feminization of America.
We have jumped the shark. I hope all Americans will throw all of them out (dems and repubs) and start with new "for the people" congress people.
http://tinyurl.com/yetn6zg Dem Congressman: "If You Don't Tie Our Hands, We Will Keep Stealing"
Wait until those poor souls find out they can't afford this new healthcare! If they thought their premiums were too high, or the coverage too poor…they ain't seen nuttin' yet!
I pay $700/mo for limited health ins. Now, add the $1,000/mo I'm going to have pay under this bill….for at least 4 years before I can even USE it….c'mon. How're people gonna like that?! Now add the co-pays, disallowed expenses, deductibles! It's a joke…a cover for control. Pure and simple.
No insurance at all will beat the socks off of what's coming down the pike!
I've had my coffee and now I will correct my grammar.
It is frightening that there are Americans who think that continuing to call to try to finish your sentence after being cut off is 'being hostile".
This is a crazy story because it simply cannot be true. I have worked for several members and I can tell you that at a time like this the telephone lines are OVERWHELMED. It is LIKELY this person got several busy signals upon calling, and it is extremely likely he was speaking with several staff members if he did get through (there just isn't one person who answers the phone). Therefore, he could not have repeatedly called and gotten hung up on that many times. Constituents are awful during times like this – I cannot tell you how often I was cussed at, threatened, demeaned, yelled at JUST because I picked up the phone. It honestly didn't matter how the Member was voting. So, when you call your Senator or Representative – BE NICE to whomever you talk to – they are just doing their job.
I feel a constitutional amendment is the only way to stop this socialist movement in health care. And probably what ever else they try to force down our throats
We do not have elected representaitives, we have elected gansters!
Will someone please fire the first shot so we can get this thing started!
Washington is a cesspool in need of chlorine. We the people, as a free society, need to peacefully vote out EVERY politician and start over. Violating the Constitution by politicians should result in criminal proceedings.
Term Limits must be mandatory for Congress – single term only.
Will you stop putting money in banks altogether? Because they can and will have access to all accounts, you know.
I am too. For the last year (since the moment right after the townhalls started), I believed something bad was brewing. The fact this has continued for so long without anything happening is a blessing.
As a previous poster said, thank goodness that we are law-abiding citizens who work within the avenues of our Constitution. Unfortunately, it seems our government is taking unprecedented steps to breach its limits.
You are all so uninformed. Only the crazies call their Members at times like this. How dare you talk about intelligent, well-educated, socially aware, thoughtful, patriotic staffers like that. You should try it yourself – dealing with people like you. How awful you must be.
That was a fantastic story – thanks for illustrating the sheer feeling of entitlement that appears on Capitol Hill. Between staffers consistently violating the procedures of Capitol police, representatives ignoring their contituents, and utter failure to bring 'transparency' into the government, it's clear these thugs dont understand who they work for.
I applaud your persistence, your service to our country as a marine, and I'll even overlook the fact that you're a lawyer. Semper Fi. Eternal vigilance is the responsibility of all citizens.
We have the OATH KEEPERS!!!
They get pumps because of low bid, we buy Rem 11-87 police autos because we can.
Yes, I think it is time to petition our state legislatures to pass, or renew and update any standing, resolution calling for a limited Constitutional Convention to strengthen Key parts of the Bill of Rights — namely, the First, Second, Fourth, and Tenth Amendments. Also, we should amend the Constitution to include a strong Balanced Budget Amendment.
Congrss men must listen and take calls. We are not customers complaining. We are the boss. You cant stop your boss from calling you at your office. Deal with it. No none wants your ecomony destroying bill.
Nice.
It will not destroy the country. It will purge corrupt and evil practices as the last civil war did. We need to clean house. If they will not listen so be it. They should prepare to either kill their constituents or be killed by their constituents.
A quote from Samuel Adams: “The liberties of our country, the freedom of our civil Constitution, are worth defending at all hazards; and it is our duty to defend them against all attacks. We have received them as a fair inheritance from our worthy ancestors: they purchased them for us with toil and danger and expense of treasure and blood, and transmitted them to us with care and diligence. It will bring an everlasting mark of infamy on the present generation, enlightened as it is, if we should suffer them to be wrested [taken] from us by violence without a struggle, or to be cheated out of them by the artifices of false and designing men.”
Barry Obama is indeed a false and designing man, who must be stopped!
Funny thing – if you dial 202-225-1881 and ask to be transferred to Garamendi's office, it rings right through!
Democrats continue to show their true colors! OPPRESSORS AND LIARS!!!
My favorite part of this story is the allusion to service in the U.S. Marine Corps. Semper Fi! But not to YOU Obama, Reid, and Pelosi! The military is loyal to your Constitutionally-authorized office, but not to your PERSON. Violate the Constitution purposefully like this and you can kiss your legitimate authority in office goodbye. Anarchy will reign, and I wouldn't bet that you candy-ass cultural marxists will prevail.
If this passes, there will be war.
:(:(
I am expected to be a "natural ally of the radical left" because of who I am…
Let me state unequivocally that I AM NOT.
God and country take precedence over all of my "personal choices", I WILL NOT SERVE THEM!
Many will call me immoral for proclaiming this but God saved my life on 9/11 when he opened my eyes to who I am and told me to stand for my life and justify it before him!
Let me be perfectly clear, my life's CHOICES are my own!
I am trans-gendered ( I was once considered a guy) and I will stand by MY choice but I will one day face God for that choice and my sins.
I was once weak and I was once lost but God saved me and I feel peace now in his love and in my soul.
I will stand against evil and I will stand for my soul and God is on my side even if he judges me harshly for my decisions.
I do not beg for your acceptance or for any special consideration but I do beseech your brotherhood in arms.
United we shall stand no matter who we are…
My God, my country and my family's freedom stands paramount above all.
God grants my rights NOT congress and I certainly hope we can stand together.
I may be the rarest of political beings but I am fallible and I admit it for all to see.
God forgive me and may God protect you and yours from the hell on Earth to come.
Seems hard to imagine…but the sheer arrogance, imbecility and mindlessness of this so-called president, his agenda, his congress, his staff, his party and all the mind-number FREAKS who voted for/still support him makes me angry enough to take up arms against them to defend my families freedom and future.
Yeah I'll be there for sure if/when it comes to that.
PS: I highly suggest that you Prius-driving-morons with the Obama stickers consider removing them sooner than later.
To MikeinIdaho, I am ready and willing to stand shoulder to shoulder with you and all other courageous people in the next American revolution. I do not know how to combat a government grown out of control. If you or else anyone have information or links please post again.
The government is bankrupt and on the verge of collapse. They need healthcare reform and cap and trade to delay that collapse. If they dared impose marshal law, how would they pay for it? Do not be afraid of teetering giants, when they fall they hit hard.
The real question should be what are we going to do when the dollar collapses. When that happens the government will effectively be neutered.
No there is no provision for recall of federal officials.
We need to be prepared to do what is going to be needed if this group of radical Marxist/socialist continue to defiy the constitution and our nations laws. We must first use the ballot box to attempt to rid our country of these thugs. If they use trumped up acts and illegal laws to stay in office then we must do what our forefathers did to break away from this corrupt government. We must not let these people destroy the foundation of our nation to satisfy their Marxist/Socialist agendas. We may all need to be "True Patriots" once again to retake our country and our sacred constitution.
Maybe you missed the part where I said I was willing to go to jail. Our founding fathers were Patriots who risked far more than their personal freedom to form a country that gave liberty to all so yes you can, and yes I WILL, stand up and fight the enemies of our country who are posing as our leaders. If everyone else who knows this Bill to be unconstitutional and an affront to our freedom did the same as I plan to do the Bill would be made impotent as it relies on hard working people to pay for the welfare entitlement left. We can choose to "Go Galt" and turn off the spigot of money these leftist must have to remain in power.
By the way, I am not anti-government and I am not anti-tax, both are necessary evils, but the giant socialist government and the massive redistribution of wealth from producers to our countries leeches are not only not necessary they need to be stopped at all cost, even peaceful or not so peaceful revolution.
On April 19th 2010 it will be the 235th anniversary of the beginning of the first American revolution. I think there shouild be a race to Washington D.C. on this date so the feds can face our rath. The founders knew this day would come. That is the reason there is a second ammendment. I am willing to bet my life that a majority of the police and armed forces would be with the people not the feds.
Perish the thought of Oklahoma City. That kind of action only results in the unrepentant DRONES of the federal government ceasing to exist. Those DRONES generally don't make policy and as such are no better off than the unrepresented electorate. The only way to solve the problem we have is to remove the elected officials and policy makers from office – to QUOTE NANCY PELOSI – by any means necesary. In case it isn't obvious – I like being able to quote NANCY PELOSI – I hope she likes reaping what she sows.
Once Hussein – always Hussein even in the Oval office. Soon they star to put in in prison for calling your congressmen
Oh, how I pray that isn't true.
But at this point, the politicians are angering and alienating people so with their arrogance and their selfishness and their hatred of our Republic and the principles it was founded on, that I just don't see any way to avoid it.
The British could not destroy us. The Nazis could not destroy us. The Japanese could not destroy us. The Soviets did not destroy us.
But the liberals and progressives who love their ideology more than they love their country just might.
Let's not forget that while we are lobbying and calling and writing and faxing and marching, that we should also be praying for our nation.
I am with you – none of us want violence. The fight for our independence so many years ago was not wanted to end up in violence, but the British Rulers would not LISTEN to the people and the people finally realized that fighting for our freedom was the only way. I hope those in today's government will remember this and start to listen to their constituents and NOT their party leaders. An up or down vote should have occurred immediately – not held until a vote could be bought or coerced. Let's all hope Congress will return the power to the people before the people believe they have no choice but violence. You can sense the frustration growing and when Pelosi states that people don't care about process – well, process is what make us different, and arguably, better in this way, than most other countries.
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Reread the history of the Bolshevik revolution. This is NOT new. First control the media, then select someone to blame it on, then spread lies and half-truths to make others hate them, then control the schools, then use intimidation to scare people into kowtowing, then bribe those who have some power – whether perceived or otherwise – and can be bought, then keep people confused by throwing multiple problems at them. And then make absolutely sure that more than 50% of the people will benefit (or at least can be convinced that they will) from the proposals and do not have to pay anything for it.
Our founding fathers drew up a list of grievances (and polite, firm demands) that they first sent to King George III. When the King responded by announcing that he would hang all members representing the colonies in the Continental Congress, it united enough people in the colonies to favor Independence and self defense, that is, revolution.
I think we must push hard for lawsuits and a Constitutional Convention before considering other more drastic means.
So you kept calling back and giving some staffer crap. You know what? That IS harassment. It's practically the definition. These people are getting swamped with calls and they don't have time to talk with one constituent on the phone all day. They serve ALL the constituents, not just you, and I guarantee that every time you called, there was someone else on hold.
Sorry to break it to you, but you're not any more important than the other constituents waiting in the queue. Apparently, you think you are. But you're not.
CIVIL WAR……they have begged for it. They really think the Armored Division in Virginia is going to shoot white people in the streets for them?
It's been coming for a while now. Lock and Load
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyYir1OF2Jk
I'm a solid advocate for term limitations; including imposing terms on the Supreme Court. A report card approach is useful for visibility into an elected officials performance but thats it. I guess my point is that elected officials could very well do something that is absolutely the right thing, but would guarantee they'd lose the next election. For example, a rep in Arizona could vote for immigration reform that kicks illegals out – well, thats the right thing to do but the hispanic community would see him run out of office. However, if he couldnt be reelected anyhow he may be more inclined to act properly instead of politically. Whereas in the report card scenario. the hispanics could see him kicked out before he could get the job done by mass conspiring to give him an F.
First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Seems to me calling a congressman to ask a guestion would fall under the "petition the government for a redress of grievances" portion of the amendment.
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I am so sick of all this fear and rhetoric. I mean, please. Garamendi is supposed to change his vote because one guys calls him and tells him he opposes it? He obviously ran on this platform and won, so he's voting for it, and that will make the majority of his constituents happy. It's called democracy. Look it up. I don't think this bill is perfect but it's better than nothing, and it needs to be done. Has anyone been to the hospital lately? It's a friggin nightmare God forbid anything requires one to be wrapped up the disaster they call Health Care in the US right now. I mean really. Really? Really? And let's not mention how Obama seems to have reverted us away from a deep recession..oops no biggie there I guess huh. And I'm guessing he read the constitution a couple times, in order to teach CONGRESSIONAL LAW at Harvard. Jeesus give the guy a chance. He's not a devil put down your pitchforks.
Impeach the THUG
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.
I wonder how many of them have forgotten the oath they took as they trample the constitution. I can promise you the current and former military (The one's that live and die for this country) have not forgotten there's. We have domestic enemies in the government that are willing to discard Constitutional process, and ignore the majority of the American people to get there agenda passed…
"Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master."
George Washington
i think the government would institute Martial Law
Well there are probably 150 million armed citizens good luck with that working. Anyway I will not bow down to Dicatator Obama. If it means to fight for freedom I will.
THIS IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE EXPOSED NATIONWIDE AND DRUDGEREPORT HAS BEEN IGNORING IT. I KNOW BECAUSE I SENT TO HIM..
PLEASE TAKE THE TIME TO READ THIS DOCTOR'S LETTER.
THIS IS NOT HEALTH CARE, IT GIVES US NOTHING, IT TAKES
A WAY MANY OF OUR RIGHTS. IMAGINE THE GOVERNMENT
PAYING A HEART SURGEON THE SAME AS A GENERAL PRACTITIONER. MAYBE YOUR HEART BUT NOT MINE.
HOW ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT HAVING THE POWER TO WITHDRAW MONEY FROM YOUR BANK ACCOUNT IF THEY FEEL DEEM IT NECESSARY TO PAY FOR YOUR MEDICAL EXPENSES BECAUSE YOU CAN? READ ON!!!
This letter appeared in the Indianapolis Star (which is owned by the same people who own the Arizona Republic ) and was sent to a very popular Indiana Senator. This just goes to show everyone what pressure these Democrats are currently under, so continue to let them know how you feel about the healthcare bill.
Bill Stough
Shock to NBC This morning, March 1, 2010
An Indianapolis doctor's letter to Sen. Bayh about the Bill (Note: Dr. Stephen E. Fraser, MD practices as an anesthesiologist in Indianapolis, IN ) Here is a letter I sent to Senator Bayh.. Feel free to copy it and send it around to all other representatives. — Stephen Fraser
Senator Bayh,
As a practicing physician I have major concerns with the health care bill before Congress. I actually have read the bill and am shocked by the brazenness of the government's proposed involvement in the patient-physician relationship. The very idea that the government will dictate and ration patient care is dangerous and certainly not helpful in designing a health care system that works for all. Every physician I work with agrees that we need to fix our health care system, but the proposed bills currently making their way through congress will be a disaster if passed.
I ask you respectfully and as a patriotic American to look at the following troubling lines that I have read in the bill. You cannot possibly believe that these proposals are in the best interests of the country and our fellow citizens.
I've been bumping up my ammo stocks since this idiot and his Marxist butt kissers were elected. The writing is on the wall. I won't comply with their agenda. I like the good old days when we could just drag them out, tar and feather them, and go to the closest tree with a rope. I was born 150 years too late.
Aren't you glad you completely filled out your census form? Papers please!
Politics is a game of give and take. As a politician I'll take whatever you give me and ask for more. Some of these guys are lower than a snakes belly. In a way it's a good thing the health car bill came along, it allowed the American people to
see what happens when voters don't pay attention to the candidates. They vote on emotion and some on the basis of not wanting to be seen as a racist, so lets vote for the black guy, he sounds good and bright, smart and clever. We don't really understand what his politics are but he has charisma so let's vote for him. If he wins on health care America is screwed, this is just the start of his gangster type politics. Stalin, Mussolini and Hitler couldn't hold a candle to this guys tactics. He still has most of the MSM on his side, at least for now but their support is waning. If it weren't for the fact that most of the press were absolute liberals this guy would have been exposed and gone a long time ago.
But sadly they still seem to carry his water, let's hope they don't drown themselves in it.
Page 22 of the HC Bill: Mandates that the Govt will audit books of all employers that self-insure!!
Page 30 Sec 123 of HC bill: THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get.
Page 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill: YOUR HEALTH CARE IS RATIONED!!!
Page 42 of HC Bill: The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC benefits for you. You have no choice!
Page 50 Section 152 in HC bill: HC will be provided to ALL non-US citizens, illegal or otherwise.
Page 58 HC Bill: Govt will have real-time access to individuals' finances & a 'National ID Health card' will be issued! (Papers please!)
Page 59 HC Bill lines 21-24: Govt will have direct access to your bank accounts for elective funds transfer. (Time for more cash and carry)
Page 65 Sec 164: Is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in unions & community organizations: (ACORN).
Page 84 Sec 203 HC bill: Govt mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the 'Exchange.'
Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans — The Govt will ration your health care!
Page 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill: Govt mandates linguistic appropriate services. (Translation: illegal aliens.)
Page 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18: The Govt will use groups (i.e. ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Govt HC plan.
Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans. (AARP members – your health care WILL be rationed!)
Page 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill: Medicaid eligible individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. (No choice.)
Page 12 4 lines 24-25 HC: No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Govt monopoly.
Page 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill: Doctors/ American Medical Association – The Govt will tell YOU what salary you can make.
Page 145 Line 15-17: An Employer MUST auto-enroll employees into public option plan. (NO choice!)
Page 126 Lines 22-25: Employers MUST pay for HC for part-time employees ANDtheir families. (Employees shouldn't get excited about this as employers will be forced to reduce its work force, benefits, and wages/salaries to cover such a huge expense.)
and this is how the country dies….not with a bang but a whimper.
Page 149 Lines 16-24: ANY Employer with payroll 401k & above who does not provide public option will pay 8% tax on all payroll! (See the last comment in parenthesis.)
Page 150 Lines 9-13: A business with payroll between $251K & $401K who doesn't provide public option will pay 2-6% tax on all payroll.
Page 167 Lines 18-23: ANY individual who doesn't have acceptable HC according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of income.
Page 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill: Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay.) (Like always)
Page 195 HC Bill: Officers & employees of the GOVT HC Admin.. will have access to ALL Americans' finances and personal records. (I guess so they can 'deduct' their fees)
Page 203 Line 14-15 HC: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." (Yes, it really says that!) ( a 'fee' instead)
Page 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill: Govt will reduce physician services for Medicaid Seniors.. (Low-income and the poor are affected.)
Page 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill: Doctors: It doesn't matter what specialty you have trained yourself in — you will all be paid the same! (Just TRY to tell me that's not Socialism!)
Page 253 Line 10-18: The Govt sets the value of a doctor's time, profession, judgment, etc. (Literally– the value of humans.)
Page 265 Sec 1131: The Govt mandates and controls productivity for "private" HC industries.
Page 268 Sec 1141: The federal Govt regulates the rental and purchase of power driven wheelchairs.
Page 272 SEC. 1145: TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS – Cancer patients – welcome to rationing!
Page 280 Sec 1151: The Govt will penalize hospitals for whatever the Govt deems preventable (i.e…re-admissions).
Page 298 Lines 9-11: Doctors: If you treat a patient during initial admission that results in a re-admission — the Govt will penalize you.
Page 317 L 13-20: PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. (The Govt tells doctors what and how much they can own!)
Page 317-318 lines 21-25, 1-3: PROHIBITION on expansion. (The Govt is mandating that hospitals cannot expand.)
Page 321 2-13: Hospitals have the opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input is required. (Can you say ACORN?)
Page 335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339: The Govt mandates establishment of=2 outcome-based measures. (HC the way they want — rationing.)
Page 341 Lines 3-9: The Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Advance Plans, HMOs, etc. (Forcing people into the Govt plan)
Page 354 Sec 1177: The Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of 'special needs people!' Unbelievable!
Come the next Election the Battle Cry should be "DO YOU HEAR US NOW"
Page 379 Sec 1191: The Govt creates more bureaucracy via a "Tele-Health Advisory Committee." (Can you say HC by phone?)
Page 425 Lines 4-12: The Govt mandates "Advance-Care Planning Consult." (Think senior citizens end-of-life patients.)
Page 425 Lines 17-19: The Govt will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. (And it's mandatory!)
Page 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3: The Govt provides an "approved" list of end-of-life resources; guiding you in death. (Also called 'assisted suicide.')(Sounds like Soylent Green to me.)
Page 427 Lines 15-24: The Govt mandates a program for orders on "end-of-life." (The Govt has a say in how your life ends!)
Page 429 Lines 1-9: An "advanced-care planning consultant" will be used frequently as a patient's health deteriorates.
Page 429 Lines 10-12: An "advanced care consultation" may include an ORDER for end-of-life plans.. (AN ORDER TO DIE FROM THE GOVERNMENT?!?)
Page 429 Lines 13-25: The GOVT will specify which doctors can write an end-of-life order… (I wouldn't want to stand before God after getting paid for THAT job!)
Page 430 Lines 11-15: The Govt will decide what level of treatment you will have at end-of-life! (Again — no choice!)
Page 469: Community-Based Home Medical Services = Non-Profit Organizations. (Hello? ACORN Medical Services here!?!)
Page 489 Sec 1308: The Govt will cover marriage and family therapy. (Which means Govt will insert itself into your marriage even.)
Page 494-498: Govt will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, and rationing those services.
Senator, I guarantee that I personally will do everything possible to inform patients and my fellow physicians about the dangers of the proposed bills you and your colleagues are debating.
Furthermore, if you vote for a bill that enforces socialized medicine on the country and destroys the doctor-patient relationship, I will do everything in my power to make sure you lose your job in the next election.
Respectfully,
Stephen E. Fraser, MD
Great fake story. How did you keep getting through if the lines were so busy?
FAKE FAKE FAKE
and all of you fools bought it!!!!!
I am outraged at the abuse of governmental power and the continued encroachment into our private lives. I do not know how to fight back in the American system. Voting has become a joke. Please post any ideas or links that can help get our representatives to respond to the people, not their own job security.
My Congressman's staffer hung up on me today too. My freshman congressman is voting "yes" and I am certain he will be a one-termer.
No need to threaten anybody or call for civil disobedience, just vote them out in November – every one of those who voted for this travesty.
You can campaign, donate, email, make phone calls and hold signs. Show our strength at tea parties and on July 4th.
Never let up — the same way these jack a**es did in congress for the past 14 months.
DO NOT FORGET.
Make your voice be heard in november.
Yes there is – on a state by state basis – not all states allow it…but…NJ courts have given the go ahead to a group wants to recall Sen Menendez – a petition must be signed by X number of people – process isn't easy – or short- but a process is in place in a bunch of states
Cowboy, when I got done reading that article, the first thing I thought was……"don't forget what they did to Randy Weavers wife and a bunch of Branch-Davidians……..women and children none the less. Disgusting!
Civil war is what they want, and we can't give it to them…. not until they take away our free elections.
What good are free elections if the people we elect violate the Constitution and don 't listen to us anyway. Also Otraitor is already planning on stealing the next election. Why do you think he took over the census and wants to ram through Illegal imigration.Stand up and be counted or just go hide in your hole.
civil war is here – America against the obama hate America corps
Yes, if they (the government) gave themselves the power to go into my accounts without my prior permission I would remove all of my money from the bank and I would hope everyone else would do the same because if they can reach into your account whenever they want then the "security" of having your money in the bank is no longer there and the bank no longer serves a purpose for individuals. I mean what is the difference if a common criminal steals your money or the criminals in D.C. steal your money? Of course this gives us power as a citizenry too. If the government could reach into your account, or started doing so, and everyone started taking their money out of the bank, the government would stop taking our money because a run on the bank by citizens would destroy the financial system that the government must have in place.
and fly shit……….
I will not forget this treatment of the American People- I will never again trust or vote for a Representative unless I know who he is and what he really stands for. Time to do our research now people, if we truely want to keep our country as a Republic with a Constitution of, by and for the People, and the last time I looked, that was me…I am the people…and I am tired of the lies, deception, and back room politics of this Administration and their puppets in Congress….The only way we can win, is to get them all out of office, and that will take a few years to do, but if we stick to the course, we can get it done…..United we stand…….God Bless America
the obozo media must be livid at the times' staff for daring to critic the America hating obama corps
Yep.
If I were those folk in Washington, DC, in their gilded cages, I would seriously consider putting the National Guard on "standby".
People are fed up.
It is going to take just one spark.
If a Civil war did come, should we ignore what happened in the past? The Union won… The Union would be the Federal Gov……… Civil war is a silly thought. Just like the Union put down the thoughts of leaving before and discrediting the confederate, they will do to who ever chooses to try and leave again. History is great, don't erase the tea party thought by starting any type of violent conflicts. You will lose a Civil War…. You will be discredited. Fight at the ballot box. Fight in the courts. Anything passed now can be taken back with a shift of congressional power.
How dare you harass elite members of Congress!
Expect the FBI to show up at your homes, taser-torture you, and arrest your racist, inbred, right-wingnut arses!
People like you are the reason we need FEMA camps!!!
OBAMA 2012!!!!
And so it begins…….every man and woman who values freedom needs to GET TO DC and MARCH…tomorrow, sunday….do it…
I've not been able to leave messages in any officails voice mail because the mailbox is full. I haven't had a human voice pick up the phone either…We must SHOW UP ! This is it. A call to arms.
God Bless America and never, ever, ever let them shut us up !!
Run for Congress yourself. Run Now.
Well, it wouldn't be illegitimate or illegal, its been used before so there is precedent. But it would be political suicide. The right is already lost, so they're not in play, except to act crazy and make noise. But the Slaughter rule, I agree is immoral and unacceptable, would anger the center and thus be political suicide.
What is the ratio of Federal Agents to citizens who are willing to stand up for the Constitution? Any way we look at it, the scenario is going to get ugly. I just keep thinking we outnumber them.
Stand or fall? I will not shut up!
Try a wrist rocket. There are tons of pebbles all around here.
Thats very typical of the crew running the show today—They dont need your input as being "Super Americans" they already know what is best for everyone and hearing your concerns would be a frivolous waste of time!
Who can be against "health care" it's such a sweet sounding term "health care" but how many people really know what it means? It means, government control, it means the death of insurance companies, (Some will say "good") it means
skyrocketing costs for "health care", it means less health care for some, it means jail for some, it means a gigantic bureaucracy to manage "health care", it means the government will decide what kind of care you will get, it means long
waiting lines for care and longer lines for government approval of special requirements. Why is it that the two thousand
pages of health care bill have not been explained in any detail to the American public, or even to member of congress for that matter. This bill will change this country forever and not for the better.
Get a copy on DVD or Bluray of the John Adams TV miniseries based on the book by David Mcculough. All of you will find it inspirational, encouraging, and perhaps a blueprint for how we should conduct ourselves in these coming trials. Most of these men were not firebrands fomenting rebellion, but calm, cool thinking people who were forced into a corner by events and by the stupidity of (the majority of) the British government at that time. (I say majority because many minority members of the British Parliament at the time warned the majority and the Crown that they were pushing the Americans too far and it would have disastrous results. They were right.)
We must learn by their example, and proceed with courage, level headedness, and an ever present desire to reconcile *if* the other side will concede and stop these efforts that ignore our Constitution. If not, then God help us and protect us. As good men, we will do what future generations will have expected us to do. We will defend the Constitution. Carpe diem.
Really well written – good for you!!
I truly believe we are a hicup away from MASSIVE civil unrest ! Enough people are NOW thouroughly PISSED OFF !!! The picture in my mind is similar to the movie Bravehart where Mel Gibson is motivaing the common folk before thay do battle with the British !!!!!
CHARGE !!!!
Obama swore to protect the Constitution when he took office. He id doing the exact opposite. He is allowing it to be twisted and ignored. His veil has been lifted. We now see who he really is and what he really wants. Impeach!!! and Remove!!
I called the DC offices for both Senators for my state yesterday – one GOP and one Dem to voice my point of view on the health care bill. Then I called the DC offices for three Congress members in my area. All were polite and didn't try to cut me off. On the other hand I was succinct because I realize they must be getting a ton of phone calls. Brevity is the soul of wit.
Our founding fathers drew up a list of grievances (and polite, firm demands) that they first sent to King George III. When the King responded by announcing that he would hang all members representing the colonies in the Continental Congress, it united enough people in the colonies to favor Independence and self defense, that is, revolution.
I think we must push hard for lawsuits and a Constitutional Convention before considering other more drastic means.
Obama swore to protect the Constitution when he took office. He is doing the exact opposite. He is allowing it to be twisted and ignored. His veil has been lifted. We now see who he really is and what he really wants. Impeach!!! and Remove!!
Get a copy on DVD or Bluray of the John Adams TV miniseries based on the book by David Mcculough. All of you will find it inspirational, encouraging, and perhaps a blueprint for how we should conduct ourselves in these coming trials. Most of these men were not firebrands fomenting rebellion, but calm, cool thinking people who were forced into a corner by events and by the stupidity of (the majority of) the British government at that time. (I say majority because many minority members of the British Parliament at the time warned the majority and the Crown that they were pushing the Americans too far and it would have disastrous results. They were right.)
We must learn by their example, and proceed with courage, level headedness, and an ever present desire to reconcile *if* the other side will concede and stop these efforts that ignore our Constitution. If not, then God help us and protect us. As good men, we will do what future generations will have expected us to do. We will defend the Constitution. Carpe diem.
Respectfully, by way of your inaction this government will still "institute all the egregious policies which serve to suffocate and extinguish our Liberty." Only it will happen more slowly and be more apt to remain permanent.
After all, he's told us … "I WON!!!". I guess it feels so good to be king – or at least CIC (Chief IslamoCommunist).
Actually, Obama's whole life seems to be nothing but a work of fiction. The man has never shown himself to be Constitutionally eligible to hold the office he now occupies.
If you'd like to see something from a different point of view, watch the two short videos below which, even though they start slowly and have a bit of fun, contain a wealth of factual data – more than we've seen from Obama.
In fact in the second video a famous senator is quoted speaking about someone that sounds for all the world like "Our Boy" and really strikes a chord.
Only thing is the senator was the Roman named Cicero speaking in 42 BC – but the message is still very directed and pertinent for all of us:
Three Little Words
Merry Christmas OmeriKa!!
Anyone that challenges him in the next election will get $ from me.
Welcome Home Missy! It sounds like your road to Damascus has been an extraordinary one to say the least, but you made it.
So perhaps those in government should start looking for other jobs. Maybe we need to call our children that are secret service members and compel they to quit and find safer jobs. Wouldn't it be funny if the politicians had no one willing to protect them, then their tune would change real fast.
God , in the form of Jesus Christ, died on the cross and rose again in order to forgive the sins of the whole world, once, for ALL. Do not stand in fear of a harsh judgement from Him for anything you have done, as long as you are truly repentent.
As for a civil War I do not think it will come to that. elections are coming soon and we can vote out all the hypocritical politicians of all parties that cower and subvert themselves before "the Messiah'".
That is the Constitutional and legal way to do it.
Keep faith in the Lord becasue He did not prosper this nation in order for it to be destroyed by an arrogant Muslim non-believer.
Thats why you'll never be anything more than a noisy minority.
You're either a liar or stupid, that you really care about ending corruption and you think you can do it without the center, without a majority of The People to fight with you.
WOW! I guess Obummer the Scumbag-in-Chief banned the First Amendment with an Executive Order.
http://theantiliberalzone.blogspot.com/2010/03/co...
The NEW Anti Liberal Zone
WOW! I guess Obummer the Scumbag-in-Chief banned the First Amendment with an Executive Order.
http://theantiliberalzone.blogspot.com/2010/03/co...
The NEW Anti Liberal Zone
Slaughter the Democrats, take no prisoners.
I really hate to see this happening. We are so divided and I can only imagine how bad it is going to get. But what the hell if the government want to enslave us then I'm sure they will make it happen. But before we just all lie down and die there will be lots of blood in the street. Everyone knows there are millions of guns in the hands of the right and the left just wants to make things better by helping the poor. Is there an answer to the up and coming civil war? Yes I'm afraid so…………………….pain and death!
As a resident of Upstate NY – I have been taxed to the point of leaving… I keep asking myself how this could have happened – how liberals like Chuck Schumer ever get elected – who would elect someone that will inevitably raise taxes and spread ‘my’ wealth. Some public service is a must.. but; we need to draw a line. I am ready to stand up for my right to keep at least 50% of what I make.. How did it come to this??!! The people with their hands held out outnumber the people that put their hands at work.. it is sad.. and I fear for my children
Whether or not we start it, I have the uneasy feeling that there is going to be blood shed over this.
the only people the Marxist Mulatto could get to enforce Martial Law would be the SEIU and the Black Panters….and maybe some Mexican gangsters…. they would run like roaches from the armed citizens of the republic, which would make their backs easy targets.
Each day, two words become more important " IMPEACH "and "ARM FOR SELF PROTECTION ". Either we get rid of the socialist/communist power over the people organization or the real Americans will take-over in what ever method is neaded.
Point of fact:
We are already seeing how the Liberal Progressives are usurping CONSTITUTIONAL LAW to pass this…
So:
If they are already there to shove this thing down the people's throats…what indication do you see, IF ANY, that should the vote fail for them to get this through, that the Lib Progs won't attempt the Martial Law option…??
What indications do you have, IF ANY, that should this succeed, this procedural maneuver will not be employed for other "measures" that advance the Liberal Progressive agenda to its full conclusion…??
Skeeter J, it is one thing to be optimistic…it is entirely another to be Pollyanna-ish…
Heil el Presidente for life.
That sounds good except for the fact that most all taxes paid are withheld by a person's employer and there is no way to keep that money from being delivered to the IRS and the government.
Castro and Chavez are taking copious notes – they are being revealed to be neophytes compared to our COOTUS (Community Organizer of the U.S.).
Hey Melissa….want to know how it came to this? It was Republicans and the Pataki administration that created the enormous debt that we have to deal with today in NYS!!!
How has Chuck raised your local school and property taxes, hmmmm????
You're an IDIOT!!!!
“Violence done in any other case but self-defense or defense of another loses the argument and loses sympathy. ”
What about in defense of the Constitution, our liberties, and our freedoms? I’m sure our Founding Fathers, who not only talked violence but actually engaged in violence, i.e. the Revolutionary War, didn’t follow the advice in the quote above. They rolled their eyes at such advice and locked and loaded….and discharged.
The real question is, why did you vote for him instead of Harmer?!?!
1) Obama really doesn't care about health care reform. He is trying to create a constitutional crisis so that he can consolidate power and to establish himself as a dictator for the common good.
2) Pelosi & Reid are his "useful idiots" that may or not be aware of his ultimate goal, but are in this for their own gain.
3) The so called "two party" system and having a set number of representatives in the House wasn't part of the original plan and the status quo will be maintained which is why I believe now is the time for a 3rd party. Forget what Hannity is saying. I'm thinking "Tea Party" has a nice ring to it.
4) Constitutional challenges should be made now before Obama can appoint any more members to the Supreme Court.
republicans are coo-koo!!!!!
This sort of talk is NOT helpful at the moment. The LEFT wants to paint all conservatives as dangerous and uncaring about the people of the nation and that only THEY care. We all know that the LEFT is involved in the biggest power grab EVER…but, let's take 'em out the RIGHT way: THIS FALL…VOTE! Don't sit on your dead behind and say "Well that Republican candidate didn't give me 100% of what I am looking for…the DEMOCRATS will take ANY vote for any reason…and now look what it has cost us…the fight of our lives…so, don't blame me, I voted McCain…not my first choice, but a damned sight better than what we got stuck with…I hope you agree.
this is why i voted for Obama…because i knew he would drive right-wing ideologues CRAZY!!!!
…and so it begins!!!!!
lol. OBAMA 2012!!!!!!!!
Doesn't anyone wonder why obama has delayed his trip now for two or more months?? Is it possible that he expects such a bad reaction to his heinous "reform" bill that he's thinking he needs to be on hand to declare martial law?? He is capable of anything, just study his facial expressions. What's in someone's heart comes out the eyes. He's simply awful.
I have already been to hell and it is not a pretty place at all.
I expect massive retribution by the radical jerks for this post.
God and I am at your side.
A MUST SEE!!!
I watched that series recently. I got all of the DVD's from Netflix and was riveted…my girlfriend was pissed because I watched one after the other staying up all night and the next day. Thanks for giving it deserved attention. Very timely, indeed.
Thirty-seven of the fifty states are going to take this THING to federal court. I can only ask, why aren't the other 13 states doing the same?
Instead of a civil war, I think a secession of freedom loving states is unavoidable now.
God is what gives me strength now and I will never forsake him again, he is my savior.
Only if, when a skunk shows ignorance, such as thinking victim disarmament schemes are OK, they get immediately hanged! It should also be applied to applicants for citizenship!
If it's war they want, it is war they shall get. This is THE line.
Who remembers these words?
That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
Will Henry Clay please stand up.
Respectfully, I stand firm in my belief that armed resistance is not the only course of action. We still have elections. We have other forms of civil disobedience.
I think it would be a mistake to confuse non-violence with inaction.
I am afraid your correct
Seriously- we first need to HANG everyone who ever voted for victim disarming gun control treason schemes. Next, hang all who defend the aforementioned. THEN we can be relieved from the current TERRORIST government, and set about looking at what really needs to be corrected with health care, the open border, and overtaxation.
Hey, all REAL conservatives know that the REAL way, the RIGHT way to end this mess is to VOTE these leftist clowns out of office THIS FALL! Tell your friends, your neighbors, your relatives…get out there and let your voice be heard, LOUDLY! If he doesn't have Congress in his back pocket, Obama and his little gang are POWERLESS! He needs the Senate to approve things and the House to fund them…if he doesn't have Congress, he can run around and shoot off his mouth and bow down to foreign leaders all he wants…and he will simply look like the member of the JACKASS Party that he is…THIS FALL, GET OUT THE VOTE…THE RIGHT VOTE! Elephants have long memories…use YOURS!
I guess they didn't teach you the difference between Capitol and capital in law school then… Probably explains why you voted Democrat…
U.S. Capitol Police.. capital letters, the capital of a nation, investing your capital, the U.S. Capitol Building…
http://www.uscapitolpolice.gov/home.php
please, remember, they STOLE the elections they "won"
Obama reverted us from a recession? Really? Well goody goody gumdrops!!!! He has also created a deficit that our great-grandchildren will be paying. Obama has lied. He is a Marxist and a narcisis. He wants power and he wants America to become the Socialist Republic of the United States. So many of you are blind to what he is doing. You never look at history and compare it to what is going on today. History does repeat itself and he is doing exactly what Stalin did, Castro did and Hitler did all to create HIS OWN empire.
Before you start crying about the deficit being there prior to Obama taking office…….fact check; the deficit has quadrupled in the last 12 months. That is more damage than the previous administration did in four years. Also, since when is it possible to spend your way out of debt? Socialism works fine until you run out of other peoples money.
"Such treatment may be acceptable in the former Soviet Union"
KGB, Stasi, S.S., Khmer Rouge, Dem's…po-tay-to, po-tah-to.
They will have to control the internet. They cannot afford to let people become organized against them.
Garamendi, you don't want to be out of work in your district. It's grim. Keep your job, vote NO.
I say remove ALL security from Congress and the executive branch. There should be no Capital Police function at all save making sure the weasel rat bas#*&ds don't sneak out the back door. Then we'll have representative government that is truly representative of the constituents and reflects the consent of the governed.
Civil War 2, my friends. Be prepared.
“The LEFT wants to paint all conservatives as dangerous…”
I hope not only do they paint us as such, but actually fear such. People we should not care about what these LEFTISTS think of us. Screw them and their opinions. I hope they do fear us and if they persist with their radicalism, then I hope they experience the violence up close and personal. Let that fear become a reality.
From a PROUD “Rightwing Extremist” and “low-level terrorist”, i.e. a Freedom Fighter. Put me on the top of your little list Janet Napolitano.
First, Sir thank you so much for your service to protect our country. Second, thank you for your knowledge that you can share with the rest of your fellow citizens. I am fortunate enough to have Congressman Eric Cantor but my mother has been hung up on repeatedly at Kathy Dalhkempers office…no hello no nothing. The phone rings a few times then you hear a noise and it hangs up at here office in Erie. The fact that serveral of the Congressman are saying they have talked with Obama, Pelosi, their close family and friends and one even said he didnt switch until after he spoke with a priest. NO ONE IS LISTENING TO THE PEOPLE!!!! As the wife of a public school teacher you need to be vigilant on what your child is being taught in public schools too! They answer to us, not the other way. Hold them accountable. Every government agency acts like we answer to them now…what do you think is going to happen with health care???
it gets worse. guess which federal agency will be empowered to enforce the mandate that everyone must purchase health insurance? (dramatic pause…) the I.R.S. just what we need. ANOTHER reason for the Revenuers to invade our lives and privacy.
Yes there is a way…
Go to the black market, sociaIism breeds it and encourages it, it's inevitable…
Missy, I am considered to be a "conservative" and to some that means I am "supposed" to be against your choice.
I AM NOT!
It is time that we stop allowing ourselves to be defined by ANYBODY else. Not by labels and not by the "expectations" placed on us through media manipulations.
FREEDOM is NOT a political issue. Freedom is a God given condition of life. For this reason alone I will stand up for freedom, both mine, and yours.
THIS is what it means to be a CONSERVATIVE. No matter what the purveyors of division have to say about it.
You voted for the idiot. You can only blame yourself.
Last time I checked, we still have elections. And when the people vote, their choice is accepted and enters the government as the People's representative. Until this is no longer the case, I maintain that we are civil, principled, and non-violent.
It is up to the People to a.) make informed choices; and b.) Hold politicians accountable.
The way i see it, most people are only now starting to do the latter, and have not, in the past, done the former. The People hold a certain amount of blame in this situation. We became complacent and lazy, in general. There are a few of us who are exceptions to the rule.
The only war, right now, should be fought at the voting booth. Until we are denied free elections to choose our representatives, I maintain that non-violent action is the way to go.
Nothing should be off the table whan it comes to preserving our liberty.
These comments are hilarious and sad.
A bunch of uneducated (and sadly, probably uninsured!) morons.
I second that, he's too wishy washy, people need to stand for freedom or lose it forever.
He doesn't seem to consider why so many despise this idea.
Many are with you, Brother.
Martial Law would quickly fail. Obama is extrememly unpopular and growing more so. The dems are increasingly hated and it's getting worse for them. the generals hate obama, the governors hate obama and they control the National Guards, whose ranks I suspect would suddenly grow very large…no martial law if done by the corrupt obama would quickly be suspended by his arrest and trial. Civil war…unlikely…arrest impeachmentand prison for obama much more liekly.
Between whom? There's no Mason-Dixon line to divide the sides. No Blue and Gray. Just a bunch of people with differing opinions about how our country should be run. Every 2 years those differences are settled in what I like to call an "election". I don't like it any more than you do, but Obama and the Democrats WON the election. The American people CHOSE to move this country down the path of socialism, and now the American people are going to have to live with their decision. Islamofacists and citizens of third world banana republics call for a civil war whenever the elections don't go their way. AMERICANS DON'T. So save your "civil war" for the polls in November.
Harassed? They haven't seen harassed yet.
On Dec 1, 2009 I stood at the corner of 1st and Capital Streets in DC with my Navy Jack DONT TREAD ON ME flag. After about 3 hours there, around 10 am, 2 squad cars and two Capital police motorcycles decended upon me with 4 officers total surrounding me. They assured me I was within my rights to be there and then demanded ID, SS number, etc. One was from the rapid response team. Free to Stand for Freedom but give me your papers. A sign of the times.
This kind of talk is exactly what is necessary. The rattle snake warns before it strikes.
I always have a tape recorder running and when they act like a-holes, their attitude usually changes when they are told its running. They always lie about "you cant record the call" which I most assuredly, under Federal and State Titles, CAN.
Yes Maam, Civil war is ahead. Hell, its been 200 + years of relative quiet. I guess its due when MASS TREASON is going on in CONgress and the Black House.
PS Any god damn feds dony like my Free Speech, come knock on my door. The video will be running.
Passing OBAMACARE and putting PRIVATE INSURERS out of BUSINESS … while the REPS get to keep their PREFERRED coverage is HIGH TREASON against the American People!
And this REP who WORKS FOR US is WHINING about HARRASSMENT?
Dimokrats pass this, and there will be a reckoning. They will not like it and it will not be pretty.
I'm eager to hear what bribes Kucinich took while aboard his whore-flight on Air Force One.
I have heard the same thing. 37 States will be suing in the Supreme Court to be granted immunity from this bill. That says alot about what is going on. This issue has surpassed party lines, yes the vast amount of republicans (which Iam one) are against this bill in its entirty, but there is a vast number of Dems that are against this bill as well. Not because they dont agree with it but because of the shady way that they are trying to push this through. Everybody Republican, Independent, Democrat, Green party, all the others need to wake up and see these elected officials on both sides dont care what we as voters think, and the only action we can do is call, write and vote them all out and make these people accountable for their decisons to not listen to the people who put them there.
"Purge corrupt and evil practices…?" Have you ever heard of Reconstruction? The federal government and its army waged total war against Confederate states who were exercising their constitutional rights, by seceding from a union that no longer represented their interests. After the war to force them to remain in an unwanted Union, they were subjected to terrible physical and financial atrocities, to punish them. It took decades for the former CSA states to recover.
Thank You John!
Not all people in my position are the radical kook caricatures portrayed by Maury Povich and Jerry Springer we are who we are and we are all Americans together.
I had the choice to be where I am others are not so lucky because the indoctrination to deny God is so ingrained in them…
They have nothing on me I am American first and I will NOT be a hyphenated American…
I am an American ABOVE FIRST!
If they don't like it, well, they can kiss my big FREE American butt!
And you're a bottom feeder.
The only transparency coming from obama and this kangaroo kongress is its abject corruption.
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While I agree with your opinoin on the bill, I have to think that it would have been far more civil of you to register your opposition IN GENERAL with a phone call, and lay it out in detail via a registered letter and make some demand in writing for a response.
Tying up a phone line to express an over-wrought opinion to a staffer is wrong-headed to say the least. Do you really think she could possibly pass on your whole message?
Just as I would not want a supporter of the President's health care reform to tie up my Rep's line all day (I am fortunate that mine opposes), it is just as wrong to tie up the ine of your congressman's when it would have been a better use of resources to write a letter than verbally harangue a staffer.
I'm sure if I'd been subject to a day's worth of treatment of the kind that you dished out, the temptation to hang up (with an expletitive aimed your way) might have been too great for me to resist either. Just because the bill's supporters don't have a problem wading into rude behavior doesn't mean that opponents should join them.
There isn't going to be a civil war no violence no shots…Eric Holder might try some stunt but he'd be the 1st arrested and jailed by the Supremen Court itself. The Military hates Obama, The Governors in most States see the way obama is failing and they won't back martial law or anything else obama "orders" from his little throne. Let's see obama order the Texas or Missouri National Guards up under a presidential edict to "keep the peace" and see how far that goes.
Obama did recently sign an order for canadian and mexican police to help with US internal peace keeping in the event of a national emergency. Before anyone conjours up black helicopters (wait we had a mexican last week in Texas) the reality is that that measure was a bad idea to come after 911. However it is not unlikely that obama might ask for canadian help with policing if there were riots. I for one would not tolerate foreign troops in my neighborhood telling me what to do. If canadian troops start ordering me around in the street in America they'll not be doing that long….
I do believe you're still able to change your number of exemptions with your employer to minimize withholding rates.
I've been self employed so long I could be wrong, so feel free to correct me on this.
On the other hand, if 100,000 federal employees are billions of dollars in tax arrears, there must be a way to shut off the money spigot to an illegitimate federal government.
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Granted, I lived in NY, so I don't get the news from Ohio… but I would think this would cause people to march and protest…. it should be national news. The citizens of Ohio should be outraged. More people should know about this, if its true that elections in Ohio no longer yield representatives who are chosen by the majority of the people.
You can BET sure money on some future plans by Obama-Pelosi and the rest of their coven that there will be "more legislation" that'll hook more taxpayer money to pay for the "insurance" that those poor souls think they're getting with this Obama-Pelosi Monster…
I mean by that that those voting 'yes' on this Monster this Sunday inevitably already have planned even more ripoff 'legislation' that'll pay for those "health care premiums" their supporters won't be paying even with Obama-Pelosi's Sunday Fiasco.
Has Obama ever paid anything himself? I mean, really, has he? His job history includes entry-level resume inflates at very limited weeks total. And a lot of time "in school" and "abroad"…whatever he thinks he knows, it's that he's smarter than everyone else, that's about it. Little does he know that there are millions of people who see right through his arrogance.
Obama said he wanted to be Lincoln. Considering his knowledge of history, he probably thinks Lincoln wanted a civil war.
Great job sir. I appreciate your commitment to pursuit in the face of resistance, the Marine Cops taught you well.
It's never been used for major legislation of this type, and never to do an end-run around the legislative process and the will of the people like this.
Brian the only one who is uneducated is you :]
That is a last case scenario, but if they leave us no other option, I will fight for our founding fathers and the constitution. If we can hold them off on destroying the country and beat them in elections it'll hurt them worse.
crazy
Get Obama the heck out!
I read that story and am in full agreement!
http://www.impeachobamacampaign.com/
You don't think the laziness, complacency and lack of engagement of the citizens of our country has anything to do with our current state of affairs?
If people had actually listened to Obama before the election, there's no way he would have even been any where close to winning.
I find it absolutely astonishing that people actually believe that instituting an armed resistance, before all other avenues of recourse have been explored, is a proper course of action. Amazing.
It has happened before:
"When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
Uh I'm a veteran from a family of veterans since the Revolution & I came from one of those patriotic states…and I can assure you that Obama would not be able to count on the military to do as you say…no we swear an oath to Support and Defend the Constitution of the United States against ALL enemies foreign and domestic…go ahead Barry "Make My Day". No "The One" would likelyhear only silence and thin excuses as to why the troops he ordred out hadn't moved out of barracks. If he was stupid enough to call out the national guard after that he'd quickly find most governors weren't taking his calls. In an hour or so they'd be drawing up his arrest papers…now that would be change I could believe in.
Yes and where have I heard this before BO…http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-23kmhc3P8U
The time is ripe for TERM LIMITS because:
1. The country is unified NOW.
2. 80% are disgusted with the US Congress.
3. 3/5 of the states are passing laws to prevent forced health care.
4. All of the radio and television talk shows are on the same page against what is going on.
Most important, a unified campaign by ALL radio and TV talk shows to promote a constitutional amendment for term limits.
It would put the FEAR OF GOD in everyone in Washington.
I am afraid the disconnect between congressional leaders and the people they represent is so fundamental, and perhaps so intractable, that we may soon have two choices: sit back and watch as our liberties are further eroded and the nation is driven into bankruptcy; or fight for this nation, at the possible cost of civil insurrection or an outright civil war. I fear that only a small majority cares enough to actively fight to restore the Republic that was given to us by the Founders, and preserved for us by the Greatest Generation, but squandered by the current generation and its leaders (both parties).
I think if people start an armed resistance before all other options have been exhausted, they will find the people to do it.
I can't say it enough- all options must be exhausted before we resort to armed resistance. At that point, i'm on board. Until then, I'll fight for a peaceful solution. Exactly as our founders did.
Appears to be part of the Progressive plan, to sacrifice seats to accomplish this Big Takeover. They truly are making a mockery of our nation entirely, even of the Legislative branch, their very offices held. I don't see any respect from the Democrats in Congress today (perhaps only from Stupak but I also think he could fold due to strongarming) for the offices they hold, for our nation in any degree, large or small.
That many of them will be voted out seems to be of little concern to them compared with the Ripoff they think they'll accomplish beforehand.
No surprise, after we will have national ID card (electronic SSI cards), monitored mail (census), monitored email (mining programs), red light cameras, firearm registration (if we're even allowed to keep them), body scans at the airport to determine the size of our genitalia, and of course Barak "Little Adolf" Obama, Nancy "The Hag" Pelosi and of course Harry "Botox" Reid. There is very little difference between radical left and radical right. They both suppress the truth, let's hope Justice Roberts will save us.
BTW Does anyone miss GW yet????
Let's kill us some liberals and democrats!!!
As far as “free and open” elections go, I would point out that there are significant questions about just how “free and open” our elections are when a (D) Governor in the State of Washington comes from behind to win by the barest margins on a recount that contained the typical dead, double voted, voted out of precinct, “found” votes, etc. Then this is repeated in MN where a (D) Senator comes from behind to win a “recount” when boxes of “votes” are found in the trunks of cars, voter rolls show moved and, again, dead people voting, military ballots are disounted, etc.
Our State conducts purely vote by mail for ALL elections(no polling places, etc) wherein “volunteers” (nearly always D’s) are employed to “darken” with a black stamp, the allegedly voted “ovals” that have been rejected by the counting machines – meaning unvoted races, etc. are easily subjected to “darkening” for the candidate of the volunteer’s choice.
“Free and open”?? I am not so sure.
I think a U.S. Marine would know a little more about what is "hostile" and what isn't than you would. You can go away now.
Revolutionary War II at the ballot box is just a short distance down the road that the Dumocrat / Thiefocrat Party (DTP) is headed. It is obvious that the liberal, progressive (the new socialist), socialist (the regular old socialist) and all the other anti-Americans in the BHO administration and those misguided imposters that voted for the idiot. That gives rise to having an IQ test given to prospective voters before some are given the opportunity to demonstrate how big a moron that they really are.
James
1. All of our congressman have abandoned the American people
2. All of our representatives have abandonded the american people
3. ALL of congress should be taken outside and EXECUTED immidiatly
4. The president and vice president should both be charged with TREASON for attempting
to pass laws the american people do not want usaing crooked methods to do so..
All of you liberals and democrats dont have any problem with
turning american into north Korea as long as it isnt you
beng thrown into jail for failure to Comply and buy obamainatoion care health insurance
I will NEVER OBEY
I will NOT BUY
Try to arrest me i dare you..
And you will have yourself
A WAR..
There isn't a media outlet in the state that will touch this story. Why? Because they're all looking for government bailouts.
Is it any wonder we are –> this close <– to armed insurrection? We *are* trying to do this right way by electing good people to office; we are being STOPPED from doing so!
Hehehe…that's funny right here…
"…..the beginning of the states passing laws saying they won't do it, the beginnings of lawsuits, and certainly of a near-certain LANDSLIDE Republican (with a few Libertarians in for good measure) VICTORY this fall.."
Many of the states' medical assistance plans are in real sorry shape…this will amount to a great federal bail out for them!
States passing laws against it…in yer dreams cowboy!
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I don't agree that we'd lose a civil war. The idea is silly though it is precisely because we would not lose that it won't happen. The south in the Civil War chose war and then looked for a victory. they then tried to exploit various tactical advantages to sue for peace. It was a bad plan and they were also in the minority. That situation is vastly different than today. The problems obama and the dems face are that they are politically becoming isolated and weak…for they know their time is short. Civil War is not likely but impeachment is growing very likely it's happened several times before for far less than is happening now. If the dems lose in Nov which is almost 100% then they'll face trials and hearings that is what is going to happen, just ask slick Willy or Dicky…"I'm not a croook…and I did not have sex with that woman"…
what I really want to know is how fat is the woman Obama is porking in the oval office (not his fat assed wife the other fat one…)
I live in the Kansas City metro and I know someone that received a call back from the Capital Police as well because the staffer said they were being threatened by phone even though all that was expressed in the call were serious concerns with the healthcare bill. I wonder if the staffers are doing this in an effort to put an end to the calls and to intimidate those that don't agree?
His name is Bob McConnell running in the third district Colorado.
No, they wont, because we aren't like the leftists who loot and pillage anything they can get their hands on. The only people we'd be going in that circumstance after would be the politicians, and anyone standing in the way. I think you'd see law enforcement standing with us, not against us (in most places, that is).
The military will stand and watch, and will pick up the pieces after we're all done. They certainly wont violate their oath to uphold the Constitution, unlike the political scum in D.C.
No, it cannot be fixed. To many people are receiving government handouts now, and to few are paying in. The public schools have dumbed down the population enough that they have lost sight of what America really is about. They have been taught that the "old" America was cruel, greedy, and pridefull. That a new Amerika is what the world should be striving for. The tree of liberty is turning brown and dry, it must be watered soon!
These people working for us have strayed away from the reasoning that says "They exist in their postiion becasue of us and not in spite of us." They all need to take a course in good customer service practices from the botton to the top of all government positions. who the F#$%k do they think they are !
Kudos to you sir!! I admire you and share your sentiments. I would also like to take this opportunity to thank you for your service to our country. God bless you!
Progressive troll alert!!!
James
I agree and in washington state i just watched
as our so called Communist govenor
just INGNORED the law for a balanced budjet
and the 60 % majority rule
and she and the liberal democrats
just wnet ahead and just started taxing and spending like
drunken drugged out whores..
So laws and elections dont work with any politifcians except the few honest ones..
So soon very soojn it will be time to execute justice upon ALL Democrats
and liberal politicianms world wide…
Cap Con:
The founders envisioned a day like this would eventually come: The chief executive ignores the will of the people, the legislature is nonresponsive to the population, the courts do not act. Thomas Jefferson described the only cure. Are we there yet? If not, it's getting close.
it is simple we will not shut up and thank you for letting us know how to handle this. As for Mr. Garamendi’s I also live in California and since he does not think at all about us here or any where for that matter maybe that special election that got him there needs to also get him out. Once out then he needs to be the one arrested for Treason and violating the laws as they stand right now. It is time for all of us to call Garamendi office and let them know that there respond to us calling is harassment of the people he works for and also his commitment to violate the constitution is HIGH TREASON. Then we need to arrest him and actually put him on trial in a court of law.
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Please, all no name calling. Those of us who think things are really headed down the wrong way- ie too much to the generally considered "leftist" approach, need to work together. We have to have reasonable, reasoned discussions of approaches and solutions and flinging labels at one another will not help.
Can't figure out, though, if damages are that severe (family harassed, threats, etc.), why Stupak would even consider remaining associated WITH the Democratic Party.
We see the Leftwing fascists slugging away at U.S. citizens by fist or by fiat all the time, yet when a few Dems in Congress actually start making sense (like Stupak has on this issue), their lives and families are threatened if not worse. So why remain associated WITH such people?
Stupak isn't making sense in his loyalty to the Democratic Party, not now.
Like the founding fathers said…If the people do not like its government it has not only the right, but the obligation to get rid of said government and make a better one….November couldn't get here quick enough.
Maybe all bills passed through the "Slaughter rule" should be questioned by the Supreme Court. They may all be unconstitutional. If you have to vote for the Slaughter rule why not just vote for the bill?
they are already joined at the pelvis
I maintain that we have not yet exhausted all our options of action, short of armed action. There are other actions to be taken.
The Founders understood this.
So:
Do you really believe that the law enforcement people in this country would engage in enforcing martial law, just because the people peacefully exercise their right to speak and assemble. We should be marching on Washington this weekend. I do, however, believe that a premature armed resistance would result in martial law. And i believe they would find people to enforce it.
If, God forbid, their procedural maneuver succeeds, they will most likely try it again. That is why we need to have mass marches on DC. We need to exercise our rights to assemble and speak. We need to flood the Capitol with so many people that it shuts the city down. I guarantee that would work. Do you think people will actually exercise these rights? We still have them, we need to use them.
STAND!
There will be no civil war because too many Americans are sucking on the liberal tits and the rest don't have the guts to unite for such a cause which is why we have this tyrannical government in the first place. There is anarchy on the horizon but the numbers will not exceed the capacity of the FEMA camps. The government or rather the government's puppet masters have been preparing for this for decades.
The last civil war was one that involved armed conflict between organized regions (north and south), between States and organized armies. There will be no front line or region to be conquered – this will be popular uprising that spreads across all States. There will be no enemy or army to conquer – only the people. But, unlike other countries our people are armed and have military training – thanks to the cold war and numerous hot Wars we have been involved in over the last 40 years. The more they crack down the stronger the resistance will become. We are nearing the point of no return and I see no repentance or humble reflection on the unconstitutional deeds of our elected officials – only contempt for the ones they serve can be seen in their eyes.
Before instituting Martial Law, it would behoove the government to realize that most of the military is Conservative.
Fascism is alive and well in America.
Everyone call the fence sitters and tell them the time for choosing is now! They can choose to go down in history as villains or heroes. They can choose to quit financial raping the living and unborn generations. They can choose to save our rights and Constitution or they can choose to discard them at their peril. It is indeed time to choose.
You should consider changing your party registration.
Isn't there such a thing as recalling your representative from Washington by a pitition signed by so many of that states constituents?
Then the constitutuents can hold an election to vote in a new representative who will listen to the constitutients.
Why don't we all recall the representatives that want to or do vote yes to this so called health care bill.
Al of congrerss and the house of representatives
have STOPPED listeneing too or
obeying the will of the american people and instead
Our own congress and House of representatives
are more worried about the rights of the Islamic Terrorists
than they are about trampling our rights as US citizens..
They all make me sick
They are all the Enemies of our free nation
The liberals
The Democrats
The Far left
The corrupt rich Repulbicans
ALl need to be taken outside
Publicy executed
Theuir dead bodies left to rot in the street..
Our military has done a wonderful job for our nation
so hjave the police and fire,man
Now it is time for them to rest while we the american people
]Scraoe the house cleanb of all the DIRTY CORRUPT LYING
cockroaches infesting all of our hallowed halls..
EXECUTE ALL MEMBERS OF CONGRESS and the HOUSE OF REPORESENTATIVES..
Then Jail obama and hang Biden //
Its the only way to get our naton back
back from the hands of there crooks
look to the chi com example
MSM plays a part…. be i'm a pretty informed guy… and i don't even bother with the MSM.
The fact is that most people aren't, or haven't been, motivated enough to seek out the information. We need to wake out neighbors up!
yup by law you have to pay tax on any bartered item
Excuse me?! Even those staffers work for us, since they work for our representatives… Hey Jeff… it's better to be thought of an idiot, then to open mouth and remove all doubt! You sir, are an idiot!
I just spoke with Garamendi's office. The young man told me that the guy above called 12 separate times and spoke for over 45 minutes with the staff. I asked him that even if the guy calling was a complete nutcase, they have to know that siccing the cops on him has a total chilling effect. And I reminded him it was his job to field calls, even from wackos, and you don't go pulling out the law card until it turns into real harassment.
Can we find 38 states that do not have their capital and the next two largest cities controlled by democrat/statists/progressive/communist/tax stealing crooks???
Over the years the progressives have whittled away at our constitution. The courts, at the behest of our law makers, have twisted their interpretation of our constitution setting legal precedence that will be hard to reverse. It is really frustrating to read the simple statements in the Constitution and Bill OF Rights, then find out that we cant just enforce them. I have no idea where to go from here, the phone calls and Tea Parties seem to have zero impact on our out of control government. I ear that by November, the laws will be ste and there will be little we can do about what has taken place. I do not advocate violence. But how can we take our Government back? How do we roll back 100 years of polluting the Constitution? If we could somehow call for an impeachment of the current Govt by the people, not congress, maybe we could charge them with treason? When and how do the People take back control? We cant rely on Government cause it has been taken over.
if you all want to read a scarily prescient book, pick up Tom Kratman's "A State Of Disobedience." it is about Texas being faced with an out-of-control and abusive Federal Govt. (run by a Hillary-esque female President), and it's decision to secede from the Union. i swear Kratman can see the future.
Believe it or not I happen to agree with you. I do not really trust our voting machines now. Push a button and who are you really voting for? The dems complained bush stole the election and then look what happened in frakens election, he lost til they had a recount and then he won, so I don't really trust our officials to conduct a fair election. I want free and fair elections, but the powers that be are not to be trusted. I hope your right. I hope the next election will overturn these tyrants. I would love to look up to and believe our leaders, but I do not. I agree with you we need a real vote and we need patriots that will support the constitution. If this next election doesn't work, so help us God.
That's what some folks in the Colonies said in 1775, and look what happened. And face it, an honest citizen who goes to jail to defend the Constitution will be a rallying point for millions. Grow a backbone, Astralis, or get out of the way.
I agree. W'ere not there..YET. But we're closer than I ever expected us to be. I pray to God it won't come to violence, but to paraphrase one of our founders (I'm shooting from the hip–pardon the pun–and believe it was Sam Adams): If there is to be trouble, let it be in my life time so my children can have peace.
Well Grandma,
with all due respect (i am a grandfather)
you aint seen anything yet
you want to see name calling look to the left
the right for the most part is very conservative with the
name calling and defamation
The legal(assuming our votes are not derailed by ACORN) civil war is in November…after that?
To do an end-run around the legislative process is why/how it was ever devised in the first place.
To say it runs against the will of the people is speculative. Polls show majorities disapprove, by a narrow majority, of the entire bill as is. But it is also very applicable to make the point that people are pretty misinformed about what the bill does and how it has changed over the past 6 months. And when asked about specific provisions in the bill, many provisions receive large majority support. So its not completely clear it goes against the will of the people. More succinctly, I think people are reserved, they're scared because we don't know for sure what will happen. There are significant changes to regulatory schemes over insurance meant to change private sector behavior in certain ways, but we don't know for sure the behavior will change those ways. Good or bad, thats just reality, its a huge unknown.
True its never been used on legislation this major and of this type, but I don't think that matters in declaring it illegal or illegitimate. There is precedent to legitimize the maneuver.
Don't get me wrong, I don't support using the Slaughter rule, in fact, I'll be angry if they do. The democrats would use it at their own peril. I'm just looking at it objectively, and trying to refute what I see as an irrational argument (not your argument).
It pains me to write this, but I am almost happy that Barrack Hussein Obama was elected with a majority of dems in the House and Senate.
How else would these traitorous progressives that are fundementally changing the United States, be outed?? McCain would have kept the status quo.
Now more than ever Americans see what liberal, progressive management results in-examples, Chicago, Detroit, NYC, Los Angeles-USA, or maybe I should say USSA (United Socialist States of America).
We really need change and it starts with throwing the traitors (by election or impeachment) out of office and make them accountable for thier crimes.
They are finally getting it…
It's the "moral" thing to do!
Morality; is only a trait, human beings posses…and that's a real good thing.
It's about time congress figures that out!
In my experience, ALL Democrats (both Senate and House) who are voting against the citizens' ALWAYS harass the citizens who try to complain. They do this because they can. No one can report or complain, they just get further denigrated by the Democrats as to all future efforts to simply communicate a citizen opinion to Congress.
Liberal fascism. That's why it's called fascism, because it is fascism. They're elected to public office to serve, not rule. Only for Democrats, they know they're often voting against what citizens prefer so they avoid accountability to complaining citizens by harassing the citizens.
Every single one of those Congressional offices who negatively stereotypically label complaining citizens is, indeed, the actual harasser, not the citizen with complaints. It's also why they jam their phone lines — but I'm betting that the calls who support what they're doing get all the time they want when they call in, get their opinions communicated to the Reps or Senators, get written responses…
GOOOH does NOT have the answer, unless you think it prudent to pay to have some socialist elected where none is needed, or wanted, because that would be the effect of pooling your resources to support a candidate that some "majority" chose over YOUR wishes. Don't be fooled by this phony replacement for "public financing" of elections – it is another wool-pulling experiment that is designed to ENSURE that the wrong people continue to reside in OUR Congress.
Bingo. Posting between bong hits and Cheerio bites…JimBob is a DNC plant in the flesh. Hey, at least the DNC and its progressive thugs admitted that they were doing it (outright trolling and "concern" trolling) a while back. Isn't hard to spot them really.
Concern trolls, BTW, try to sound like they're against Obama/Pelosi/Reid, but really aren't and work in numerous pro-Obama administration DNC talking points before they're done. Hillbuzz.org (Chicago Hillary Dems) have a great lesson posted on their site about spotting and dealing with concern trolls. Just search for the term "concern trolls" on their site – great read BTW, as they've turned on the Dems and are working as hard as the rest of us clear thinkers on defeating the progressive, nay, Marxist regime currently in power here in the US. Not that JimBob here is even trying to hide his motivation — free cereal and pot until The One is ousted.
The "right" has shown that time and again
its time for the left to step up
The road to serfdom…Sh*t we have arrived…have you seen the federal debt statistics page?The average US citizen has $1700 in the bank!!!!
Was tutten Sie hier? Ihre papieren, bitte. Vellyyyy intelestink.
I just called and spoke the little snot nose in Garamendi's office. He started blaming the caller mentioned here so I knowing the statute as well asked the little prick if he wanted to refer me to the capital police. In fact I offered and meant it: If you do that I'll get on a plane TODAY. And fly to the Capital Police office myself to show them the statute and then meet personally in Garacorrupti's office as was my RIGHT UNDER THE CONSTITUTION. He declined. Of course I'd go straight from the capital police to te 1st reporter I saw and ask them if they were interested in covering my story. Little F*k.
I know in the past there were efforts to impeach Congressmen that failed. I think it's time to try again. If that doesn't work, we need to look at the list of states in which it is possible to recall Congressmen. Maybe work on both at the same time.
We need to send a message that we WILL be heard.
Wow! constitution this, constitution that. Were the hell were you conservative mantle bearers when Bush enacted the Patriot Act.
We have seen elections do not work, there is no lesser of two evils, both partys are pure evil.
That leaves only one option. And that option is not more of the same, marxism has to be stopped.
I do believe it!
I'm a patriot, just like you. I'm willing to bleed for my country. I've got patriotism running through my blood- I have a relative who fought for the Continental Army during the Revolution. I just think that we need to wake our neighbors up and have mass civil demonstrations… where we inundate DC and shut the city down, simply due to the volume of people. I think that would put the fear of God in the Washington Weasels. We still have some options left, though time is running short….
Why do you think they want more gun control? To disarm the populace so they can't fight back!
i so agree. and it's not like in 2000 when gw stole the election fair and square. i mean, if you're going to steal and election, at least have the dignity to do it RIGHT!
Budget items, no matter how small or large, REQUIRE a recorded vote of the HOUSE, for that is the branch of Congress in which ALL budget items are supposed to originate. To take someone else's bill, not originated in the House AND passed by counted votes, and call it "deemed to have passed" is pure unadulterated tyranny. No matter that it "has been done in the past". Wrong is still wrong, even if everyone is doing it!
Put simply, the 'deem and pass' that the house will use to send this bill for approval in the senate and to the president's desk for signing is unconstitutional. I'm not a constitutional scholar but the facts are there in writing in Article 1, section 7, cl. 2…if they actually go through with what I think they're going to do, there will be thousands if not millions of lawsuits filed against these traitors for their treasonous and seditious act. Time for a revolution in this country because most of us are fed up with the blatant disregard for freedom and liberty for which this republic stands for.
Where do these congresspersons live?
If it is ok for code pink to picket the homes of republican senators, congressmen, Judges, administration personnel then it sould be ok for the right to do the compliment.
Amen. I won't feel the way I feel about Iraq: If Bush would have let us finish the job the men and women that died over there would stillb e here with us. I'm enraged everytime I think about it. I don't want to leave my children with a government teetering on the edge of dictatorship.
In my experience, ALL Democrats (both Senate and House) who are voting against the citizens' ALWAYS harass the citizens who try to complain. They do this because they can. No one can report or complain, they just get further denigrated by the Democrats as to all future efforts to simply communicate a citizen opinion to Congress.
Liberal fascism. That's why it's called fascism, because it is fascism. They're elected to public office to serve, not rule. Only for Democrats, they know they're often voting against what citizens prefer so they avoid accountability to complaining citizens by harassing the citizens. Nancy Pelosi will run with fake tears and that wobbly theatrical voice on t.v. if she thinks too many citizens' complaints are eeking through her barricades, she'll call citizens names ("mob" etc.), Obama will glare and barnstorm with more insipid but never-ending hyperbole, Biden will consume too much oxygen in a room while laughing about gassing out everyone else…
The Left lies. They lie. They lie and attack others and do.not.like our nation (Obama is proof of that as are those who voted for his vanity and foreboding intents).
Every single one of those Congressional offices who negatively stereotypically label complaining citizens is, indeed, the actual harasser, not the citizen with complaints. It's also why they jam their phone lines — but I'm betting that the calls who support what they're doing get all the time they want when they call in, get their opinions communicated to the Reps or Senators, get written responses…
Cowboy, I'm worried about those that will be in DC this weekend..From what I understand there
will be 3 different Socialist groups there besides our own patriots…Let us keep our Tea Party
people in our prayers!!….
I'm telling you, I wake up, and I'm actually afraid to check out the news or the headlines anymore…
Yet I know I have to keep on top of things and force myself to go and read…Every day it gets more
frightening…The working people are the ones that are going to pay for this bill…..They are going to
try to push illegal aliens down our throats next….and they to will be supported by the working people.
How often, and how much can the middle class be pushed in a corner while they jam all their s–t
down our throats?
You got that right. That is why obama was elected. When you have a large part of the population who 1) do not understand government that should be limited and 2) want the government to give them everything, it is a lost cause. Our high school and college students have been taught to hate America and everything it stands for. Most libs I hear just don't seem to get the principles at stake here. If our government officials can thumb their noses at us the voter and at the constitution, it opens the door for another Stalin, Hitler, Chavez, the list goes on. How far do we the voters let this go? Are we too late?
Here here!
I'm not going to fight the last civil war, I am referring to the dangerous practice of going into debt to the level where our monetary sytem collapses. The corrupt part is where they bail out institutions they or their familys are involved in. I do not want to see my country dissolve into 50 countrys. I have studied what you speak of and for the most part it was democratic politicians in the south that exasorbated their problems. I take it you see no corrupt or evil practices in the current government? I take it you believe the country should be dissolved?
This is a very disingenuous post. This lawyer bugged the crap out of an intern until she couldn't or wouldn't take any more, and then posts a bunch of drivel about "is this hope and change" and "Pelosi is teh debil". Give me a break. You did something a little more meaningful with your life in the Marines, try keeping with that theme instead of lowering yourself to Fox News-level shenanigans.
Welcome to Venezuela. This is the same crap they pulled down there. It's time to start targeting the 50 state Secretary's of State to make sure they don't steal the upcoming elections.
garaspendy is such a pinko
[...] Unfortunately, for Garamendi’s staff, the constituent also happened to be a lawyer. Makes for a good read, but confirms the feeling that Congress really doesn’t want to be bothered with the concerns [...]
I am just one Loud Vote — I Vote You Out 2010. We elect Representatives and Senators to the US Congress and when it comes time to represent our interests and our principles they Vote Against Us!. More and more, our elected officials see their personal power and their entitlement to office as their goal. I VOTE YOU OUT 2010.
The Key Issues that I Vote You Out 2010 supporters see as critical to preserving our Individual Liberty and Protecting Future Generations: We oppose higher taxes, we oppose bigger deficits and we don’t want the government getting bigger. We do want government to start working better by reducing the waste, fraud, and corruption that they already know exists. The discontent at our core is also deeper than just those issues and how Members of Congress are voting against our interests and principles. Too many of them have lost their honor, their honesty and their sense of right and wrong. They sell their votes among themselves for funding to run their re-election campaigns and to make sure that their cronies get large grants and large contracts from the government – they sell and trade special deals, exemptions, and pay-backs. They use our tax dollars to buy more power for themselves.
I think by now most reasonable people recognize that Obama does not RESPECT the U.S. Constitution, and has, thus, disregarded nearly all of it, if not the document altogether. His idea of being "a scholar" seems to be skewered toward his giant ego having prevented much reason to seep in.
Barack Obama, Cass Sunstein have both disproven any worth to a Harvard education. I think, in fact, they've proven that Harvard will call any crazy person "a genius" and just move them ahead.
The big plans they are voting into law do not make sense. These big plans will have real consequences that far outweigh any good that they might do. They say "Here is a Problem" – and then pass laws that do not address the causes and roots of that problem – they just extend and expand government's reach and bring more problems into being. Solve the known problems before creating new unknown consequences! I Vote You Out 2010 – our Loud Vote.
This is the most corrupt, unethical, and inept Administration and Congress in US history.
Skeeter J.
Rest assured I do not want to engage in violence. (except I would like to smack Nancy in her lying mouth)
When our elected officials disregard the will of the people and go along with 'the party' agenda or the 'speakers' agenda or even the presidents agenda– then you can not fool yourself that they are doing the job they were elected for. When the media and the hollywood hypes sell the youth that "I pledge to serve obana." is the way to behave. When the teachers instruct our little children to sing 'Umm, ummm, ummm brrack is wonderful'. You know then that the scales are not tipped in the favor of the rational members of society.
When it is publicly announced that the 'Health Bill will take $500 billion from Medicare (elder care) to give to the uninsured youth, when the Elders they refer to DO NOT HAVE A CHOICE about being on Medicare—you know something basic is wrong with our society.
When bills are passed with hidden wording, forbidding the repel or adjustment , well you know there is something unpleasant in the woodpile.
The passive approach to this–such as non-compliance is being circumvented. 12,000 new IRS agents are part of the 'Health Bill'.
What do you do once 46%of the primary care physicians leave the field. Will we be importing from India, China and Brazil?
So the question is when you have exhausted yourself by writing, calling, faxing and yes showing up in DC to express your displeasure and what you get for your efforts is to be called nasty names….what is next. Get quietly in line and vote or maybe just get on the boxcars?
We are going to rip these a__holes out by the roots!! Boycott ALL MSM ADVERTISERS! CALL THEM and tell them why. Give them a chance to withdraw their advertising ad buy dollars!!
Time to storm the Bastille.
They feel free to stuff ballot boxes, the judges are unconstrained by the Constitution, and our system no longer provides equal justice. In fact, at this time, most of the laws of this nation only apply to the “peasantry”. The ruling class can make anything go away; witness; OJ Simpson, witness Tiger & his wife; if they’d been ordinary people; he’d be charged with drunk driving and she’d be charged with assault. Witness Roman Polanski; the man should be in prison for the rest of his life, but he’s too wealthy for that. The list is endless.
At the point they stop even going through the pretense of passing legislation which is clearly unconstitutional, and ‘deem’ it to have been passed, the last vestiges of the Constitutional Republic will have been shed.
The tyrants are looking a bit too smug today. Time to refresh the tree of liberty.
Hope you’re fully stocked up, because they’ve made it difficult to buy ammo for almost a year now.
Best of luck.
The Patriot Act is all I have to see to know the Republicans are just as guilty of sedition as the Democrats. They just have different methods. (R) wants control through fear, and (D) wants control through ownership. Both sides see the coming of the NWO and want their seats at that table and are selling us out.
The only peaceful way out will be to vote in a larger number of unknown Independent Congressmen not attached at the hip to the CFR and the FED than the other two parties. Good luck doing that, since the electorate is so infatuated with their political party.
No, I am afraid this will come down to either the use good old fashioned methods involving gunpowder, or the total loss of our Freedom.
Where is our Boris Yeltsin (presumably, not an alcoholic)? Where is the man or woman who represents us who will stand at the gate and shout 'NO MORE" to this heavy handed, under-dealing administration and the shallow legislative body that fawns and capitulates to false promises and utopian visions of Socialism? When will one of those hundreds of citizens say enough, quit the Senate or Congress if they have to, and force this administration to back the hell off! Democrat, Republican or Independent, stand up and shout "Hell No!" No to this overreaching Health Care bill masquerading as reform; "Hell No!" to our politicians trying to finagle legislative rules to shoehorn this monstrosity through a procedural vote. "Hell No!"
They've openly demonstrated they no longer regard the will of the people. That being the case, why would they bother to allow us to vote anymore? Hasn't it struck you at all ODD that so many politicians have declared they will not be running again? Perhaps they know something we don't?
Agree – if we are being forced into socialism, then we should protest like socialists with rotten eggs and tomatoes. I think this is the next step. Don't be a "Sheeple" at the next protest!
Thanks for posting. It's essential to get out the vote this November and sweep them all out.
JimBob …. better watch your butt … you'll be one of the first to go!
Then why don't you volunteer? Even the odds, play for the "right" team, et cetera?
N_t up or shut up.
Forget Boxer. When has she EVER voted per constituents' perspectives? I think Boxer and Feinstein are in office due to unions and union thuggery and rigging and little else. Both of them are utter losers as Senators except to unions.
Hello Army Mom,
I will fight for the constitution. What time is formation?
LOL! Have you seen what "law" enforcement wears these days? Has it not occurred to you to wonder why they have become so militant and aggressive towards citizens? Have you been paying attention to anything?
http://www.goarmy.com/JobDetail.do?id=292
Job training for an Internment/Resettlement Specialist
See for yourself and decide what the feds are up to?
I agree its harrrassment and if you dont like the response of your rep, vote him out. But repeatedly calling a person, even ouside of this debate and if it were you is harrassment and subject
The voice of the American People is being ignored.
I agree. Let' get some farmers with their tractors in dc too like when carter was president. That should slow traffic down some,maybe some big rigs also anything to stop traffic. obama would have to take his helicopter and congress would have to use their billion dollar subway. We need to put the fear of God into their souls.
You are so correct. It's time to take this into our own hands. These Marxists need to be tied and quartered.
"They need healthcare reform and cap and trade to delay that collapse."
BINGO! We have a winner.
I've been saying this from the beginning. Also, political takeovers are expensive. They needed all that "stimulus" money to get the ball rolling, and they'll need the "health care" taxes and cuts to finance the coup.
Yeah I do believe law enforcement would. By definition, these people believe in law and order and chain of command. To not obey orders from above would be intolerable for most. Law is most important to members of law enforcement, not morality. This nation protects the letter of the law, not the intent. That is how we got here.
Regardless, I have no objection to continuance of peaceful measures at this time. Because if it becomes bloody, it will become extremely bloody. The Dems in particular have already displayed their willingness to marginalize those who do not believe as they do and even murder unborns that get in the way of their lifestyle. What's the difference between an inconvenient unborn child and a Republican to them anyhow?
I sure hope you called back and told the staffer they were indeed correct (better yet the capitol police office told them that) you had a right to be heard as an American on top of being a resident in that district.
I am pretty sure our senior military personnel would not accept orders to attack U.S. citizens. In any event our military (powerful though it is) is unlikely to prevail in an all out citizens vs. federal government conflict. Too many citizens, too much territory, and without civilian support, our military dies on the vine pretty quickly. Big armies always fail in guerilla conflict, and because this one would be a direct conflict with the civilian population that otherwise provides the support and logistics for everything they do, they couldn't sustain combat readiness against the American people, even if they wanted to.
Hope it doesn't come to that, but I've provisioned the armory, just in case.
Got right through just now – they are accepting calls from everyone.
I USED to exercise your kind of "understanding" and empathy when calling Senators and/or Congresspeople.
No longer. Not after hearing their ongoing and unneceessary intolerance toward me for so much as contacting them (mostly from the two Senators' offices, both Leftwingers). I've been hungup on after being insulted and worse. It's utterly unacceptable behavior by any public employee and is no longer tolerated by me — I call back and complain about it and so should everyone else.
People "yell" at others when the response is nonsensical or stupid or deceitful or disrespectful. Those answering the phones are employed and paid to do so. People calling in have lives other than the phone calls and that they'd spend any amount of time trying to communicate their views to those in elected office should not only be respected, it should be valued and the responses should reflect that value of the citizens' time and efforts involved.
INPEACH OBAMA AND START PETITIONS TO RECALL THESE TRAITORS AT EVERY LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT. START BEFORE THE NEXT ELECTION!
I USED to exercise "understanding" and empathy when calling Senators and/or Congresspeople.
No longer. Not after hearing their ongoing and unneceessary intolerance toward me for so much as contacting them (mostly from the two Senators' offices, both Leftwingers). I've been hungup on after being insulted and worse. It's utterly unacceptable behavior by any public employee and is no longer tolerated by me — I call back and complain about it and so should everyone else.
People "yell" at others when the response is nonsensical or stupid or deceitful or disrespectful. Those answering the phones are employed and paid to do so. People calling in have lives other than the phone calls and that they'd spend any amount of time trying to communicate their views to those in elected office should not only be respected, it should be valued and the responses should reflect that value of the citizens' time and efforts involved.
From the Queen of Hearts: "Sentence first – then the verdict!" Wonderland is the stop just before Gulag-land
The Whore House and Queer Senate are the enemy.
JimBob is indeed a Troll and a Plant.
But we (the Tea Party protester's) were ignored and ridiculed at the last capital rally. What makes you think we'll be given any more notice even if 10 million show up at the mall?
Who has made it difficult to buy ammo? You mean the nutters buying up everything in sight because they have to stockpile before ammo gets serialized, that's who has made it difficult. I made tens of thousands on them by buying up ammo during the Bush administration and reselling it a few months after Obama took office. So at least someone profited on their hope that something would change
I am very dissapointed by this article. I have known John Garamendi most of my life – and disagreed with him on many occasions – while still maintaining a respect for him. I mean – my late father was John’s scoutmaster and I went out once with his niece when we were in high school. I like the guy. But if what the author says is accurate – John’s staff is way out of line. If true – this proves that our elected representatives no longer serve an electorate but rather their party leadership. Like the author – I am a former military officer – and I find this rejection of our nation’s laws and values appaling.
My mom was right! Congress and diapers must be changed every so often, and for the same reason.
National Id Card = HCR Identification Document. If we are ALL required to have insurance, then there is your NIdC! Those without insurance (National ID Card) pay a big fine or worse, go to jail.
Can't be much plainer than that.
This whole process is about the President and Democrats political survival and not about the substance of Healthcare reform. We have the best healthcare system in the world and quality healthcare costs money. We're at a serious crossroad in the history of America.
Amen. I certainly cannot cast the first stone. Nor do I want to. You, my friend are far from alone.
A point lost on most people in this nation. Many look to Lincoln as a hero who kept the "Union" together, but he did so at the cost of State's Rights and Constitutional Freedom. It's only taken 145 years, but we are finally reaping the misery sown by the Union's unconstitutional actions. We have a Federal Government that sees itself as absolute rulers.
Imagine if this behavior set was performed by Republicans; we would be called worse than Nazis.
Keep Calling Even If It's Busy: (877) 762-8762 or (202) 224-3121 or (202) 225-3121
Nancy Pelosi's home number is: 707-967-9663
These vile piss ant dictators work for us!
megaditto's
I read the Koran; didn't make me a muslim
All of them must go! No more CFR and FED stooges. Vote for Joe the Plumber. And absolutely, term limits!!!!!
AMEN! As long as we are going to amend the constitution, let's toss in a Balanced Budget Amendment as well. It's not that the Congress will comply with it even if it's passed, but it would be much fun watching the Federal Courts contort themselves as they work to find a way to let the Gov. continue to spend us into 3rd World Status.
Yeah, I'm sure that happened.
The Patriot act was also approved by congress and voted on by congress. Article 1 Section 7 of the Constitution states that both houses must agree to the bill before it can be signed into law by the President. NO President has supreme authority to enact a law at will. Not even Obama, but that isn't stopping him from trying!
In case of a civil war, it would be 37 states against 13.
I can hear it now, you have a complaint and the newly formed Deemer Party sez to you, "Hey you shaddup youface or else, knowhutimean?
Doesn't sound that far fetched to me.
Thank you!
Spoken like a true leftist.
So you kept calling back and giving some staffer crap. You know what? That IS harassment. It's practically the definition. These people are getting swamped with calls and they don't have time to talk with one constituent on the phone all day. They serve ALL the constituents, not just you, and I guarantee that every time you called, there was someone else on hold.
Fidel Castro has people put to death or life-imprisoned if they so much as criticize "his" government.
I agree, and share your sentiments.
This whole charade has left me rather verklempt.
This gathering in DC, and Jon Voights announcement yesterday came about on short notice. It would have been hard for me to get there, but I would have done so, one more time.
Unfortunately, earlier in the week, I had something that necessitated I attend a funeral this Saturday. I will tape the events, to watch later. I sure keep those people in my prayers, daily.
I just hope it ends soon for most of them.
Our children are watching!!!! So are theirs…when they are given hospice(5-9 days) to quietly go away when they become a burden and no one wants to care for them they will see what a monster they created..but then it will be too late. Ther day is coming..sooner than they think…..becuz cancer is advancing faster than the 5k runners and I only forhear politicians begging for someone to care for them like we do now. One in three will have some form of it. Human suffering will always be with us..but human compassion is fleeting. Care now while yu can and press in on thes politicians who think they are here for themselves.
Pelosi and you will no longer be the majority party after the next election! They need to understand that we, the Independents will throw them out of office! Fear not Pelosi; fear those of us!
These wannabe dictators, liars, robbers and looters out to destroy the country. From the intentional agenda back in 2005 (Pelosi/Soros/Reid) to do as much damage as possible to the economy for the “sake of the election” and picking up seats to the pathetic defense of this country and our freedoms, they will be joining the ranks of the unemployed! IF they are being told they'll get some cushing government job – I suspect they'll be shocked to find out that this Obama regime can't be trusted to fulfill the bribes.
Oh, and for the idiots going along with this treason while working AGAINST the country and the foolish that thought they would get something free….you and they will NOT. The country is broke, the people that feed the corrupt politicians in taxes are broke, we have trillions of debt to Communist China as these traitors sell our country and enslave our children to Communist China.
Keep Calling Even If It's Busy: (877) 762-8762 or (202) 224-3121 or (202) 225-3121
Nancy Pelosi's home number is: 707-967-9663
These vile traitors work for us and should be fired!
Almost all Congressional offices use fax severs now thanks to mass faxes that started spamming the systems from groups like moveon and greenpeace. Most systems have an auto sort feature. Since you are sending in a uniquely worded fax from a number that is not a known fax spammer from inside the district, if they clean out their in box, a human will actually see the .tif file. The problem is that it is probably an intern or a "legislative correspondent", the lowest level leg staffer in the office. They will most likely code the fax for a bulk response on HCR. They will keep a tally of letters that are generally con or pro, and the senior staff will see that number. Since their mind is made, the boss may never even bother to inquire as to the tally.
Do you know that they are now going to strictly enforce tax on garage sales?
Oh, yeah.
As people and stores go broke (think Walmart, Target, etc.)–it'll be tough to get a cheap crib or spatula.
Thank you Maccabee. Your posts are sensible and your points are just. I'm as afraid of an impulsive violent counter-movement as I am of the present government. We need to first act legally, using all available resources. The Founders forsaw that we would need those resources, thank G-d. Then when those avenues are exhausted, it's time for other means. But only then.
All of us should renounce ALL PARTIES and make up our own minds. A party only exists to subvert individualism. We should make political parties ILLEGAL. The only party they should have is their constituents.
Hideous! The extent of dictatorial positioning by Barack Obama is outrageous, disgusting, just vile!
And this part: "Page 50 Section 152 in HC bill: HC will be provided to ALL non-US citizens, illegal or otherwise." <== THAT's financially stuffed by REMOVING medical care coverage for senior U.S. citizens, who have paid taxes their entire lives or most of them, before retiring with Medicare. Their service and taxes redirected to pay for "health care" for illegal aliens, among other thngs.
That entire list there, just outrageous. Utterly disgusting dictatorial crime.
It's called TREASON. Penalty is death. I'm glad more people are coming to my way of thinking. I've been beating the Treason drum since Cap & Trade.
A lot of Americans do not know that many journalists (so they call themselvse) are union members.
Thus, once again, an organized crime by coordinated unions.
Don't forget as we've all flipped Eric Holder and Obama the bird on their blatant desire to ignore the 2nd amendment and enforce the Mexican demands to steal our guns the American People are wel armed and pissed off. Many of us are Military Veterans with extensive combat training and experience. No the US Military IS in fact the American People, they would never fire on their fellows. A few nutters might break but that's all. No need to worry folks this ain't gonna happen. No violence..nope none.
I am totally disgusted. The job of the POTUS is to protect and defend the constitution. The push to get this legislation passed at all costs is a violation of the oath of office and is an impeachable offense. If passed I will not obey, I will not pay a fine, and I will go down fighting these bastards! Our founding fathers fought and died for our liberties! We owed it to them to do the same.
need to make more noise
http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2010/0...
MOFOs best keep there asses, health-care, Volunteer America Security, Union thug, Gangster asses the F#^*k outta these hollers and hills in Virginiee lest they want to join many a GAT Damn Revenuer who likewise denied law-abiding citizens their rights freedoms of entrepreneurial Enterprise via taxation. Any you folks with an education know exactly what I'm talking bout too.
BIG FUC^%NG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN INTELLECTUALS AND JUST PLAIN GOOD OLD WISE PEOPLE YAWL.
I just called the California office and they told me that since I live in San Diego, they would not take my comments. I said that Garamendi's vote effected me as well, and she hung up on me!
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A true Civil War is not really possible since members of both sides are everywhere (except San Francisco
). This can only be a "Revolution" where leadership gets 86'd, whether by vote, military or militia.
Has it escaped most people's notice that Federal Agencies have been purchasing shotguns (like the IRS)? If you ask me, an armed conflict is the intent of this regime, perhaps for the opportunity of getting rid of free thinkers once and for all.
You are all completely and utterly insane! I have to admit that the ignorance inspired paranoia is almost fun to read. All the talk about a “civil war” is especially laughable, so are you all building forts behind your trailers? Just plain stupidity, I’m not saying you don’t have the right to spew such garbage but you are definitely no the majority. There is a very large portion of this country who supports everything Obama is doing. I understand the frustration though, when one lacks the brains, one tends to turn to race and other things. Especially with an educated hate monger like Breitbart, you all never had a chance.
I have no idea as to what is driving the democraps in the direction they are attempting to take the country. If the voters re-elect the democraps this November, look for them to require the military to swear allegiance to the lets pretend president shortly thereafter and we can expect to follow the same path as all other dictators like Hitler, Stalin, maybe Chavaz and so on. I suspect that we are on the verge of having a revolution to restore the country back to sanity and we will have to reopen Gitmo once again to have a place to put these liberal, socialist idiots that are attempting to destroy the country. Am I a violent person? No I am not, but I can read the writing on the wall as to where we will be going if this so called Health Care politrical garbage passes. The democraps have become traitors and are only a few steps from becoming terrorist, or worse. They belong in prison for a long time.
Civil war, Civil war. What a bunch of crap. Where was all this indignation when the previous admin pissed all over our beloved constitution? Sounds like all these folks are just pissed because some black dude is in charge now.
Has anyone ever considered that the only way to raise TAXES is to institute a new program without saying "we are going to raise your taxes"?
Personally, I believe we should take care of our veterans first before we consider any health plan for the nation.
When all wars are won or are not necessary then we can move forward with this type of legislation. INCREASE FUNDING FOR OUR MILITARY AND EQUIPMENT BECAUSE IT'S COMING. AHMADINIJAD SAID SO.
I seriously doubt any conservative member will recuse themselves, why should they, who would enforce that? Fact is Obama doesn't have Andrew Jackson's stones or popular support. Obama picked a lot of fights this year to get the left frothing. he's done well in that regard but like Bin Laden he's been more successful than he anticipated…
@ Calmdown: ""teach CONGRESSIONAL LAW at Harvard" my arse. Obama was a paid lecturer, not a "teacher" and not faculty. He was paid to appear behind a lecturn and read from his prepared notes what his opinions were about the U.S.Constitution (sounds familiar, doesn't it).
He could just as easily have been reading Jello Recipes for all his "opinions" matter as to serious or even reasonable import where our Constitution is concerned.
Oh, yeah, and he also lied about what his position was, too, as to that lecturer job he held. His OPINIONS about our Constitution, then and now, are that the document is "flawed" and an inconvenient burden to him and his politics and "should be changed".
So he's lied about his Oath of Office in the Presidency, too.
Tell me, what has Obama NOT lied about?
Come on Muther FREAKERS
So it sounds like you realize it shouldn't be used on this bill, but you can't help but make a case for the bill itself?
Your analysis is totally besides the point. We aren't getting some aspects of the bill, which people may or may not support; we're getting the whole bill. And polls show that the public are against this bill by a huge margin. THAT'S WHY THEY WANT TO USE THE SLAUGHTER RULE TO BEGIN WITH– they know how unpopular the bill is, so they want to force its passage without being held accountable for voting for it. Your arguing that it's "unclear" whether the public supports the bill or not is ludicrous. When only 35% of the public wants it, what about that is "unclear"?
You say people are misinformed about the bill? Maybe that's because the pols have obfuscated the content, which is another tactic to keep us from objecting to it. Even Mr. Obama said "when the bill is passed, then we'll know what's in it." Most of the legislators don't even know exactly what's in the bill.
In the end, it doesn't matter if there is a public option or not in this bill. The standard Liberal operating plan is _incrementalism_. They know that once they get their camel's nose under the tent, the rest of the camel is sure to follow.
Shut up and pay your taxes!!!
The Slaughter Rule is a procedure being used in a new manner. Previously, the Demon Pass was used on the changed portion of the bill, the vote was actually on the passage of the underlying legislation. This time, they are voting on the changes while deeming the underlying legislation passed. So, the underlying legislation (the Senate version of ObamaCare) is not being voted on by both the House and the Senate. This is clearly in conflict with the words and spirit of Article I of the Constitution, and also in conflict with the most recent precedent (mid-1990's) of the Supreme Court.
Oh right, UPyrsfromDK, that's why the polls show that the majority of people do NOT support this current health POS. Maybe it's you who lacks enough brains to read.
I looked up this guy biography. Never held a real job. Was in the Peace Corp and then got elected to office in California. Been a politician his whole life. So if you voted for him, it shows you really lack judgement.
ya think
I believe that was sarcasm.
Oops, forgot to talk a bit about reconciliation. The changes to the Senate bill, which the House will actually pass will go to the Senate bill for reconciliation. Reconciliation requires a simple majority of the Senate. Those items that are not strictly budget related can be challenged, and those not conforming to the "Byrd Rules" are ruled out of order by the Senate Parliamentarian. The Parliamentarian's rulings can be ruled out of order by the Senate President (the VPOTUS). If the challenge stands, the changes can be enacted with a supermajority of 60 Senators.
It is hard to know what to think about the future. I believe Congress will give birth to this healthcare monster and Obama will slap it alive with his signature. There is resistance, yes, but I think it is mainly a show: "Look how hard we've worked to get this bill passed for the people, despite how hard the 'Party of No' worked to stop us." It will be one of the very few campaign talking points left to the left. If, unfortunately, I am correct, democrats will be turned away in droves come November, and possibly again in 2012. However, once a government program has been created, it is extremely difficult to undo without a veto-proof majority, which (principled, conservative) Republicans won't have any time soon.
And yet, Obama, rather then repealing the Patriot Act, expands it and uses it for his own gain… You can hate on GWB all you want for creating it but BHO is even worse for having campaigned against it then decided it was a pretty handy thing to have around.
Oh, lets not be so gallant here shall we? I think it can be argued successfully that by the 3rd or 4th call there was a certain intent to harrass. I'm definitely not for the ObamaCare bill, but I do have a soft spot for the poor staffers who have to man the phones. The woman you were speaking to has NO control over how her boss votes. You made you point, move on.
(Continued) I will say this: it may take citizens identifying themselves in a new way to create the power and persistence needed to overcome the growing god the federal government thinks it is becoming. God forbid it should achieve adulthood! For now, it is an out-of-control teenager. Perhaps we should start identifying ourselves as Texas-Americans, Louisiana-Americans, Ohio-Americans, etc. At our founding, each state was a sovereign entity, save for the consent of the governed to share a common defense and freedom of movement and commerce. Perhaps we must now take a bottom-up approach, where the citizens of the United States begin to think of themselves and act for themselves and their nation as the States United of America. They're just thoughts. Just words. But that's where ideas begin. May God bless us, every one. (There will be no need for a transformed Ebeneezer Scrooge in Obamerica; the state will fix the Tiny Tims of the nation – if it serves the greater interests of the collective to do so.)
YOU ARE CORRECT. We are far from "civil war". Comments like this serve no useful purpose. They are useful to Liberals who claim we are all Timothy Mcveigh's. We must protest often, we must vote, we must seek out others and persuade them. But "Civil War" talk is foolishness.
We have to be better than they are (Lib Dem's) We have to be twice as sharp, informed, and above the childish name calling they often resort to. Violence solves nothing. Violence is no a solution in any sense.
The fight is ON! Down with the Dems and their leaders!
James….are they knocking on your door yet?
The fact that there was even anyone on the other end of the telephone amazes me. I have tried contacting my representatives and normally keep getting a busy signal which is indicative of the phone being off the hook or something similar. Calling or emailing someone only to get the response that that person is going to vote yes no matter what you say doesn't leave me with much hope for the system. Until we change that attitude and make them work for us again it is more or less a big waste of time to tell them how you want them to vote for you. Until congressmen quite voting the way their party wants or the way special interest wants or the way a particular President wants and start voting the way the people that elected them want them to vote, what can we expect from the system. This has been going on for a very long time but it is just that this time many of us know we don't want this bill and we can see very clearly what is happening in our efforts to have our way. We haven't had our way for years, we just thought we did because it was the way that the party or special interest wanted also and we never knew the difference. Now that we have a clear picture of what is transpiring it is up to us to fix it or shame on us because if we don't fix it now it will never get fixed and we will never have the vote again.
Sean Penn said that people speaking out against his tickle buddy Hugo 'Dictator' Chavez should be jailed. Seems there is a parallel here. Frightnening!
Actualy it has been ruled unconstitutional before.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_v._City_of_N...
The presentment clause was also upheld in this ruling as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Natu...
So deem and pass is very unconstitutional
Wait until these pussies see america come roaring back.
Where is the recruiting office for those of us who want to join?
I agree, Civil War won't happen because there are too many people on the same side. The 30% of the population that makes up the Libs are also full of anti war protestors which don't make a very good army now do they? So the conservative army with it's guns knowledge that liberty is worth dying for will prevail if ever there was a civil war.
Your first problem was voting for this idiot in the first place. Had you bothered to research, instead of voting party line, you may have found out who he really is, a yes man, lefty loonatic. This is California after all
[...] it’s obvious the ruling Democrats don’t want to disturb the Master/Peasant relationship. “Capital Confidential”, writing at Breitbart’s Big Government blog, tried [...]
More reasonable and believable than most of what's posted on here.
Final points. Reconciliation can only be performed on an enacted (passed) law, so once the Demon Passed legislation is through the House, the bill will be presented to Obama for signature. Once he signs, the Senate bill is the law of the land. There is no incentive to perform reconciliation on the bill once it is signed, since the Senate would require supermajorities to enact those clauses of the reconciliation package that are challenge, of which there are several. So, reconciliation will probably be impossible to pass. The current Senate Bill will be the law of the land. The only hope will be that the Supreme Court finds the process unconstitutional. The Supreme Court has been reluctant to hear such cases in the past, but they have done so, rarely, as I mentioned above.
That should say Guns AND knowledge. Sorry for the typos
For the very first time I'm very fearful of our Government. If this bill passes it may start a process that no one wants. I keep trying to calm my fears but I keep hearing Obama and the Dems just spewing lie after lie. This bill passes god help this country.
November can't come fast enough!
On 9/11 we lost about 2974 Americans. How many more will we lose if Obamacare is acted into law?
Mr. Obama we the American people would like the following documents.
Your kindergarten records, Punahou school records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, passport, medical records, files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records and his adoption records and birth certificate.
You should be able to provide these records by June, 30 2010.
After June 30th with no records we the American People will start a movement to sell our Bolds and T-Bills in America. We will not fund someone or a government that can not provide these simple records to protect our Constitution and the American People.
We will simply call our 401k administrators and have them move our funds into stocks
or other protected investments.
Help us calibrate the 4th of July.
America be prepared to move your funds if Mr. Obama does not provide the America people the simple records we have asked congress and both parties to provide the American People.
Pass the Word On To Your Fellow Citizens.
Wow Johnny where were you when Obama extended it in a dead of night signing?
Conservative? No, he goes whichever way the wind blows. Gotta keep those ratings up! He has an over inflated ego, and his #1 show only feeds it for him. Bur no, he is not a Conservative. Hannity is a Conservative. I suppose Beck is, though I strongly disagree with the 3rd party ideas he entertains. 3rd parties don't win elections, they do, however, lose them. Ross Perot, and Ralph Nader only helped the opposition. They didn't accomplish much.
YIPPIE!
I expect this from politicians but where do they find these "americans" who threaten other Americans with non existing laws? How can we do this to each other? When the Soviet Union collapsed and Eastern Europe followed many law enforcement personnel stayed in their barracks rather than face fellow citizens. WIll the National Guard march on fellow Americans?
I stopped watching his shjow a long time ago.
Ya know CL, my heart is broken that we have to get to a point in this country that we need to discuss this. I have been faithful to my wife, am a veteran, not college educated, small business owner, son in medical school, daughter finding her way (she's 16) and we contribute to the less fortunate (charity). I have many vises, but I will say that I want my children to have the same opportunities that I had.
MEF
I thought of my Grandfather too. He too was a Bronze Star WWII vet. He received an Oak Leaf Cluster with 5 bronze stars for his actions in the Battle of the Bulge
He came home on a stretcher and I will be damn if it was all in vain!
Other than those killed by abortions funded by tax dollars, you mean?
Cowards die 1000 deaths
Johnny time for you to go home can't blame Bush anymore….. P.S. Hows that Clintion Free Trade working for you…
Terry, there is no doubt the the telephone lines to the senator's and representitives have been very busy with voters calling to protest this alleged Health Bill. There is no doubt that the staffers are growing weary of answering the telephone. There is no doubt that this is probably the first time the staffers have had to actually work for their wages we taxpayers have to provide for them. That is what they are paid to do, work that is. May I remind you that it was the staffer that rudely hung up on the constituant a number of times and made threats to involve the Capital police, not the other way around. Had the staffer not hung up and had listened to the constituant the first time, that would have been the only time this one constituant would have had to call. So Terry, the crap was flowing in the other direction and it was the staffer that was being rude and dishing out the crap, not the constituant who has the right to express their opinion to the mistakenly elected Representitive Garamendi. The representitive works for the citizens of the country, not the other way around. Did they teach you any history when you were in grade school? Thimk (IBM) about it.
your right, just look at Detroit and Chicago
[...] Terms of the Deal” “After this, the deluge” Fakery and Thuggery and Fraud and Fecklessness Comments [...]
We've already got a powderkeg situation, all it requires is the right spark. Picture the Feds going "Tiananmen" during one of the many protests in DC. It would not be out of character for Comrade Barack to order such an event – most stinking communists do eventually. It won't be safe for any federal agents to walk the streets anywhere in the country. Ideally things will be turned around through the election process – if we last that long.
You voted for Garamendi?
. . . (pause, deep breath)
You voted for Garamendi?
(Because he's not at all a career politician and believer in big government. No, no, no.)
Okay, fine, now you know.
Next time, i don't care if the Republican candidate is Gollum, a block of wood, or Satan hisveryownself, I'm checking the box next to the "R" on the ballot.
To do that Osama needs the military to back him, that may be a iffy thing for him to get.
"Have you been paying attention to anything?"
nope, i've had my head in the sand, up to and including now. Read my comments, i'm a complete lefty with my head up my arse.
But can we make it to the elections? How much more crap are they gonna shovel on us before then. I'm not looking forward to a civil war, but it may become inevitable..
[...] I just received an article written from a great patriot friend of mine who has been with me since earliest days on Twitter. This gentleman served in the Marine Corps and is currently an attorney. He called his Congressman to voice his opinion and was told to stop harassing them, and they even used an agent with the Capitol Police to try to silence him. Read his full account by clicking here. [...]
I hope and pray you are right but as I said nothing is beneath them now and anything and everything may be possible after Sunday….
by the way, i know many law enforcement officers…. and many of them are on our side.
Dear Capitol Confidential -
First, thank you for your service to our country. Second, thank you for having the gall to face your accuser(s). Third, while I ultimately agree with your intentions and your desired outcomes, be careful to not go so far as to think the young lady who reaptedly hung up on you (which is not a respectible tactic) is in any way linked to the corruption and horse dung associated with the Obama/Pelosi camp.
Having been in that young lady’s seat, I can vouch for that fact that she was likely overwhelmed and threatend by any opposition to someone (her boss) whom she greatly admires and respects. She should, and likely will be, repremanded from within for her behavior, but not have to suffer for her boss’lack of common sense.
And the hits just keep on comin'.
Um, the only people whp have ever mentioned race are the liberals. I judge Obama on the content of his character, not the color of his skin, and the content of his character is a pile of crap. "Open and honest government". "B" as in "B", "S" as in "S".
Agreed!
Third parties are the wimpy way to say: "I voted my conscience" but it has little or no effect but to undermine conservatives.
It leaves me speechless.
Sounds like you were harassing. There is no common sense in our law, because to me, sir, you were harassing someone who worked in the Congressman's office. You were not really trying to change the Congressman's mind because he was not on the other end of the line. Instead, you wanted to berate the person answering the phone, trying to vent your frustration. ( I notice you don't note how many times you called, probably so many you didn't count them because you were angry) A calm, sensible person may join an organization or write some letters or something that the civilized world deems acceptable. I don't know why you didn't post your views on health care reform here instead of this posting. The situation reminds me of some people I've encountered in Wal-Mart who don't get their way when they won't accept a return or something, so the customer then throws a fit to attract attention to "unfair practices". I think the staffer has probably had many calls exactly like yours from FOX news viewers who have been instructed to call. I have sympathy for the staffer's frustration, but not yours, grow up.
This country is a tinderbox, and Obama is like that idiot child playing with matches in the barn, one spark and he's done for because he'll never put it out until they're burned out.
Mao, Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, Castro, Hussein et al, all murdered countless innocents and political opponents. But remember they did so only with the help of willing accomplices who believed the process did not matter; that the people were only interested in the outcome. And that is not ancient history. That happened in my lifetime.
Just remember, when we warn that BO is trying to turn us into a socailist country, far too many sincerely believe that that outcome is worthy of whatever it takes..
I don't think they're obligated to listen to you as long as you want to keep talking. She explained his position, you offered your objections. By continuously calling back you were harassing her. You certainly have a right to call your representative and speak your mind but you shouldn't expect them to listen for as long as you can keep talking. If you would have said that you have X reasons why it's a bad bill, and proceeded to list those reasons you probably wouldn't have been hung up on.
This is pretty much a throwdown by our elected leaders. We have lost our country. It's time for us to take it back. I'm with anyone who's ready to storm the statehouse. Let them go ahead and martyr us on the statehouse steps. Who will pay the taxes then when there's nothing left but their government sheeple?
What happen to Senator and representatives are suppose to be working for the PEOPLE. With this health care we the people will be the slaves to taxing that is. Why can't people see what is going on????? Like the IRS will have so much powers with this HEALTH care bill. IRS will be their collection agency. How do the people who wanted this feel now, and there are NO pills for this or any doctors. So, they need to call their senator or representative. KILL THE BILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Despite all that has happened, today, or in 2012, if it is Romy or other RINO running against Obama, I WILL NOT VOTE FOR ANOTHER RINO.
I am highly pissed at Repub's THEY are the reason we are here today. They couldn't find ONE conservative to run? Come on. Tired old men. McCain, Graham, can barely string a sentence that isn't half-filled with … uh … we aahh … pause … snooze … carefully picking the blandest euphemisms to describe Demorats policy … come the F on … these zombies are no better than Dem's in knowing what the constitution is much less in articulating it.
Nope, not voting for Repub's just because they are the lesser of two evils. This passes,is anyone so delusional to think Republicans are going to dismantle it later? Sure they will take out 10%, strut like peacocks, tell how conservative they are, the hard work of returning America to the people, blah, blah, … meanwhile they keep 90% in play. Sorry just to much power and control to give up. America is as corrupt as anyplace.
I've called on many congressman myself the past week All out of state, because mine, Ron Paul is voting against this socialism.
I found that with a few exceptions they are set up to NOT listen to anyone. One that did answer even told me that since I was out of state and not represented I should call my own congressman. Most had full mail boxes or busy signals. Most web sites/email forms will not allow you to send a comment unless you put in an address within their district.
So I have a proposal for all. Since the lawmakers will not listen we should start putting pressure on those who will be responsible for enforcing their will. Talk to every policeman you can find and tell them how unhappy you are. Call your local popo office and let them know. Do it politely even though you may want to show them the international symbol of love and shout loving blessings upon them. When they guys with the guns that will have to help enforce the laws that are going to support this start to figure out just how bad it is, then they will start putting pressure on the law makers.
[...] understand the laws that they would deign to threaten us with. From the article at Big Government. At first, the Agent was curt with me. He claimed I was harassing Mr. Garamendi’s staff by continua….’s office again and asked to be transferred back to the Capital Police Agent. The Agent picked up [...]
If you think we have the best healthcare in the world, you're an idiot. We pay several times as much as anyone else, to receive lower quality care than many developed countries. Higher instances of denied claims and underhanded practices. Corruption. Just saying "we're #1" doesn't make it true; you actually have to HAVE the best to SAY you're the best.
I believe the left likes to say "all polotics is local". I told the Congressional aids of the "undecided" that I reached today, that that has now changed "all politics is national', because we are watching everyone of them now on a national level because we have to. It will never be the same for us or them.
The only problem with an Article V convention is that it can and will open up THE ENTIRE CONSTITUTION for amendment, not just what the convention was opened for. That could be a complete disaster for our Bill of Rights.
Should Congressional office staff be expected to answer every phone call that they receive and listen to each caller rant on for as long as the caller wants? Surely there have to be some rules here. Once a person has called and stated his opinion that should be the end of it. If I repeatedly call and try to force the staff to listen to every reason imaginable why I think the Congressman should agree with me, at some point that would become harassment.
What's next? Peaceful protests in Washington to be "deemed" harrassment?
God Bless you, Sir!!
I think this is exactly what they are planning for: to create a situation, when people can't take it any longer and
turn to violent actions at which point they declare a state of emergency, impose Marshall low and put all upcoming elections on hold. Another words: from evolution to revolution and pure power grabbing. I lived in the Soviet Union half of my life and know how the minds of these Marxist ideologs work.
If this bill passes, I say that for all representatives that voted "Yea" for the Slaughter Amendment, and if the Prez signs this socalled hell care bill as well, that papers of Impeachment should be filed on every one of them for violating and trampling on the constitution they swore to uphhold!!
Or angry women. Going to Cabel's this weekend to guarantee my second amendment rights!
I trust you are smart enough to be using the term harassment in colloquial, rather than legal, terms. He made no threats against the woman; this is not a criminal offense, even if he called 20 times. She was hanging up on the man for trying to reason with her! I was a property claim representative for many years. Occasionally, we would encounter the rude, the unreasonable, those attempting to commit fraud, those suffering from mental illness or dementia. They would call every day, many several times a day, some WITH the intent to harass. As long as they did not become profane or use abusive or profane language, we NEVER hung up on them. When I did, it was only after explaining the reason why. Finally, considering what's at stake, can one make one's point in opposition to this bill too many times. I think not.
Yes, I'm sure you and Barack Obama have spoken many times. I'm also sure you are a good judge of character given your description of Barack Obama's as a "pile of crap". Such intelligent reasoning…
Those who would stand up for Liberty may have to use force to make our voice heard and be taken seriously. Our government no longer respresents its citizens. That cannot be allowed to stand.
I respectfully disagree with your disagreement. Civil war IS coming. The election will only stem a small part of the problem, not fix it totally. The biggest problem American's face is on of disinformation and that is being caused by the propaganda wing of the left know as the Main Stream media. Their refusal to report honest stories and report both sides of any issue is the basis on which the democrats feel secure enough to vote against the wishes of the American people. They are instigating a fight, almost daring us to start one. Believe me, the last thing the American people want or need is an all out war. Mainly because there is no way the left can win seeing that they are mostly anti gun..
Mr. you don't understand; they are not going to arrest you they are going to have the IRS collect the fine and you cannot win against the IRS as they have unlimited authority to collect ….they will not have to throw you in prison they will simple sieze what they want.
Google: "Beyond Conspiracy: Police State America" and "A reader's resources on systemic collapse."
The only question at this stage is whether the next civil war occurs before, during or after the next world war…
Stock up on the beans, bullets and band aids and get to know your local survivalist and prepper.
Maybe they're not listening to anyone b/c assholes like you are calling others' representatives and submitting frivolous complaints. Fuck off and die.
I've called on many congressman myself the past week All out of state, because mine, Ron Paul is voting against this socialism.
Most are not set up to take in much input and don't really care. I got mostly busy signals or no answers. One of the few answers I got, the clerk ask me where I was from and told me to talk with my congressman, that they were not my representative.
So since the lawmakers will not listen, I propose that pressure be put on those that will be responsible for enforcing these laws. The local police and any police authority. Call them, talk to them in the street, at the mall, at the game, and tell them how unhappy you are. Do it politely. It will feel good to show them the international symbol of love, but don't do it. When the guys and gals with the guns that are going to have to force this socialism upon us get a better idea of how ugly it is going to be, then they will start putting pressure on the lawmakers. The lawmakers will listen, just like you and I will to those with the guns.
If they think that calls are harassment, then we should introduce them to the window war.
http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2010/0...
Elections?!? Elections for WHAT?!? for Politicians that won't vote on a Health Care Takeover Bill but will instead allow the speaker to deem it passed via some parlor trick?
I "deem" the poor excuse we have for a President is now impeached!
Pack your bags and get out!
UPyrsfrmDK, whatever that is supposed to mean. A majority of the voters elected Obama to the presidency. One of Obama's primary and November election campaign slogans was "Time for change" . The problem was that the voters who elected Obama had no idea of what Obama's campaign babbling really meant. I believed that he meant that he was going to clean up all the alleged illegal going's on in Washington D.C. , provide transparency and a host of other fine things. I won't say that you are completely and utterly insane because of your political beliefs, only that you are obviously just as stupid and ignorant as I was when hearing Obama's campaign speeches.
That should be "Who counts?"
I'm hardly a leftest.
Sometimes, however, I type with two left hands.
Of course they were for the most part, a pack of lies assuming we wouldn't know the difference. As for the alleged large proportion of this country who supports everything Pnama is doing, where have you been for the last year or so? Have you even bothered to read, or watch the news lately? A very large proportion of the country has finally come to realize that they were lied to by the democraps and taken for granted as if they were all stupid? What the elected democraps have been doing is criminal and they should all be locked up in prison for a long enough time so they will become impotent, or something like that.
I am so proud of my fellow Americans. I have worried for 2 years, so afraid that we would be over run while eveyone was asleep.
The Sleeping Giant is awake now by the grace of God!
Actually it's only about 90 million, but we own 220 million LEGAL firearms…and it is estimated that there are at least that many undocumented firearms in the hands of mostly right wing America. The military is going to fight for the constitutio