Dem Memo: ‘Do Not Allow Yourself to Get into a Discussion’ of Health Bill Score
by Capitol ConfidentialMaking the rounds of Democrat Offices on Capitol Hill is a ‘messaging’ memo designed to help Democrat members navigate a politically dangerous environment where the public is united in opposition to their government take-over of health care. Key message:
“do not allow yourself (or your boss) to get into a discussion of the details of CBO scores and textual narrative. Instead, focus only on the deficit reduction and number of Americans covered.”
This goes to the heart of what has been so wrong about the entire health care debate. The whole episode has been legislating by talking points. The Dems make claim about what they intend to do, but never provide any actual legislative text to demonstrate that is, in fact, what they are doing. They say their proposal will ‘crack down’ on insurance companies, yet their legislation would require every American to buy the companies’ product. Every business should face such a ‘crack down.’
The entire memo is below, for your enjoyment/disgust. We doubt you’ll find a better example of the desperation and panic gripping Democrat offices than these two pages.
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To me the even more amazing thing is using the uninsured numbers as a talking point. No one has any idea how many uninsured there are in the US. Obama has used figured that range between 12 million and 47 million since July of 09. How the hell can you use something you don't know as a talking point?
In the spirit of the Democrat vote yesterday on H.R. 1190 (BILL TITLE: Providing for consideration of motions to suspend the rules) to eliminate the need for full votes just in time to enact the disastrous healthcare legislation:
The Democrat Mantra:
Always say nay before voting yea
What better way to increase your pay
Because as we’ve learned, that’s the Chicago way
"Save Me!!!!" Shouts the President, "Pass the bill!!!!!"
Special thanks to Jason Altmire of PA and all the other Nays now Yeas who showed so much bravery this week. It is only the constitution, your constituents, and your grandchildren you are throwing under the bus for a bad bill you do not even understand.
Thanks
Lazy Jack
http://www.thanksforthelaughs.wordpress.com
http://thanksforthelaughs.wordpress.com/2010/01/0...
The end justifies the means….anything to gain power and control…
Fess Parker – RIP….
This dovetails nicely into the earlier thread, regarding the attorney who told to stop "harrassing" his Congressmans Staff.
Don't Ask.
Don't Tell.
Don't Talk!
Lazy Jack,
Liked your mantra.
Here is another relevant one:
Here's to the Unions,
Divided we fall,
We'd better give in,
Before they f**k US all!
So what happens when someone does try to get them into a conversation about the CBO score?
Does the memo tell them to stick there fingers in their ears and run away?
It seriously wouldn't surprise me.
I cannot believe thinking Americans could fall for this scam. Congress, what are you thinking? This is not about health care. That is very evident. We're mad, Congress. Very, very mad. I don't send money to candidates very often, but I'm doing it now. I'm sending money all over the country, not just my own district and state. I'm living on my pension fund now, a fund you've managed to reduce by an amount inconceivable to me at the time I set it up with help from my financial advisors, and I'm dipping into it to defeat you.
I have never been so ashamed of my country as I am now. In fact, I've NEVER been ashamed of my country until now.
Harass = Disagree
Productive conversation = slobbing the knob.
Democrats are awesome.
"How the hell can you use something you don't know as a talking point?"
Become a liberal.
The gig is up! We know what the Washington statist pigs are up too. If you’re in the political business don’t make long term plans!
New Democrat memo "Just keep your head up your arse and they will go away"
This is so WRONG on every level. God save America !!
Very funny, Spliff. LOL
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." ~ Thomas Jefferson
It's like they're talking to their dog……….Sit Down!
Shut Up!
Roll Over!……….(so your soft underbelly is exposed for them to easily slide the knife in and gut you out).
Be Quite!
Sit Still!
You damn DOG!
We sure don't want to have any of those pesky discussions, do we?
Abortion is turning out to be one of the primary goals of the progressive*, Democrat weasels. Obama and his corrupt, puppet Congress are determined to Socialize America and Socializing health care is just the start. Also…
Your IRS info will be shared with hundreds of new health agencies.
Hordes of new IRS agents will be hired to investigate your health insurance.
Fines will be levied and payments deducted directly from your bank account.
Illegals will be deemed "legal residents" and then provided health insurance.
Line by Line – Health Bill Facts!
http://usataxpayer.org/?007817814
Obama's cousin, Dr. Milton Wolf
http://usataxpayer.org/?0048842540
Alarming NEWS ! Stupek and others in the "anti-abortion coalition" are meeting currently with Pelosi et. al. to discuss providing Stupek with a LETTER affirming they will change the abortion language once it is signed into law ! WHAT ? WHAT ? If you are goint to change it…DO IT NOW ! Any bets as to when STUPEK will fold ???
Who in their right mind would BELIEVE anything that Piglosi warrants ? This is gonna kill me, I swear… If Stupek goes along with it we are finished….needless to say. God help us… And pray for the Supreme Court that gthey have the brass to kill this liberty grab.
If you can't beat them, join them. Our new goal should be right along with Saul Alinsky's…overload the system in order to bankrupt it. Buh, bye government.
Come on, Atlas, SHRUG!
I’m currently 100% in favor of IMPEACHMENT. Nothing good will ever happen to America until after this man is GONE.
Let's focus on the deficit reduction – show me another government run program that saved money.
Let's focus on people being covered – illegals included ? why 83% of people with perfectly good coverage have to change their plans to cover others?????
If that's democrats plan for talking points i'm fine with it…
I pray Monday morning is a day we begin to take back America from these Marxists. These treasoness thugs should be hung.
Ver funny, but it's hard to deny that it's true.
Agree with you 100%. However, there are too many patriots to allow this to persist for long.
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YES!!!!!!
Arizona Governor Jan Brewer (R) on TV making a statement.
She says Arizona is going to sue immediately, based solely on the TENTH AMMENDMENT.
She says Government is overstepping its bounds, and enough, is enough!
I finally figured out what this "Jobs created or saved" nonsense. This is going to turn into a cottage industry. Those that aren't attorneys, doing either the suing, or the defending, will be making copies and delivering writs. What a way to put America back to work. Thanks Barry………
Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first.
- Ronald Reagan
What else is there to say?
There sure are a lot of "don'ts" when you're trying to destroy a country and wipe your ass with the Constitution.
What will get most Americans Health Care at this point is getting them real Job's not shovel ready jobs. The more people that get laid off each week = the more people needing Health Care. Creating Jobs should be the 1st priority.
Who would have thought things would transpire like this. The government just doesn't care what the public thinks. And all the heavy handed tactics.
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It is time to start impeachment procedings. Period.
Impeachment? Yes maybe, however think of the consequences of Biden as POTUS and Polousy as VEEP. For Impeachment to be effective Obama, Biden, Polousy and Reid MUST go all at once.
I disagree with Reagan. I think politics is the oldest profession, and inspired the other.
Ray – are you really in Bangkok? Cuz, we could sure use you here!!!
I have just officially turned against ANYONE who votes Democommie, if they're not communist themselves they are enabling them.
The AG refuses to support us. It's time for a lot of Zonies to start calling this progressive.
Attorney General Terry Goddard
Office of the Attorney General
1275 West Washington Street
Phoenix, AZ 85007
602.542.5025
800.352.8431(toll free in State of Arizona, outside Maricopa and
Why I don't get is this. You all are saying that if the Dems pass this health care bill, they will lose big in November (which I agree with). But then some of you want them not to pass the bill. Why is that? So that the Dems can stay in power beyond 2010???
As I said, I just don't get it…
Obama and Congress are about to find out that no means no; the hard way.
We lost the image I will always have of Davy Crockett!…RIP!
Hear! Hear!! People NEED to remember this!!
Spiff- Every liberal understands that you can't let things like knowledge and truth get in the way. Didn't you hear pelosi-"by any means possible".
The time has come to remove these CommieLibs from power "By any means necessary". They should be physically dragged from office and jailed for willfully violating the Constitution. I call on the U.S. Military to stage a good old fashioned coup.
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I do not see anything out of character with this memo as the Jackass Party has not told us the truth about anything and to do otherwise would not be in keeping with being a good Democrat. So, act like the rest of the lap-dog media and get off their backs!!
Actually it would be STOPPING a coup. The Coup is taking place RIGHT NOW.
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Obamao has to rush this through now because the 2010 election cycle has already started and the union bosses won't pony up for the cause if they don't get what they want. The Dems know they can't win in November on the merits so they need union dollars to help buy or steal the elections.
That's the point, Milt. Obamao doesn't want to create jobs. He wants more people losing their healthcare so that they'd be desperate for Obamacare. Create the crisis and then usher in the solution. In this case, Obamacare.
It's great to have some solid evidence of the deception taking place. The most upsetting part is that they believe we don't know what is happening. The American people are not fools. This is why our founders created the constitution, to protect us from THIS administration and this govt. I hate to think about it but, the time is coming where we will all have to decide whether we want to be free Americans or live under the tyrannical heavy hand of big govt.
That would make a lot of sense.
Fear not, Fair Liz….and weep for us not. We are Americans and through our determination and the teachings of our Founders we will overcome this, irrespective of any illegal vote in Congress. As an American i appreciate your concern.
The can run, they can play dumb, they can hide behind procedural curtains, but this November they will be forced out by the people.
They think that in 6 months people will forget how corrupt and dishonest they were in this whole sorry mess, only problem is that if the Mad Hatter gets his way he will see it as a blue print and press even harder.
sourdough beat me to it-
Impeachment is not an option-
we must full the rug out from underneath him.
this is done but taking back congress- (at least that will stalemate the situtation)
and calling your State Ledge to have them inforce the Constitution.
God help us all if this things passes.
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Obama Rewards his gang homies
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Amen Brother…Amen
It's a matter of degree and of who, which Obama understands. The blue-dogs are done if this passes, the uber-left have a fight regardless but will be closer to losing if their lefty base is pissed off.
Obama does not care about moderates, more than willing to sacrafice them, he is playing the odds that the super left, like you twiny, will come out if he bends us over and rams it up our tailpipes.
People wont forget this either way, you will lose massively this fall, just more so if you pass it than if you don't.
As to our motivations, well this will tough for you to understand, but we would rather save the country the pain of economic disaster in the future than add a few more seats to the right side of the aisle
Just recovered from an attack on my computer. Had to call in a Tec to work around it. Still running a complete system scan. Glad I had a backup.
More Dem flim/flam: Dems removed the doc fix from the reform legislation last year because its $371-billion price tag would have made it impossible for Democrats to claim that their bill reduces the deficit. And now they plan to add it back this spring. They were for it before they were against it before they were for it?
WTF is that all about?
Pelosi won't be VP – she's ONLY in line in Emergencies (death from War/terrorist basically). Not removal from office. Biden will move up and a new VP will be appointed and have to be approved by Congress.
[...] Voters don’t want this crap, but the Democrats who control both the Executive and Legislative branches of government want to stuff it down our throats. From Power Line and Big Government. [...]
Obamao is a third world dictocrat wannabe getting ready to overthrow the government piece by piece.
Rush just said that Obama should never have been given the power to run anything…that he is a neophyte, he is clueless and dangerous.
They are out of there either way, but passing the bill will be a bigger and messier mess for the grownups to clean up.
Where. Is. The. Duct. Tape.
That $371B add-back brings the total "health" bill to well over $1.2 trillion, not the $940B that they tout.
I think this sums up what most of us are thinking, now if we just start hearing this from every GOP member that matters.
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2010/mar/19/impea...
Well, actually they'll be out whichever way it goes……don't know if they don't hear us (in the DC Bubble), don't believe us (Pelosi whispering promises in their ears), or just don't care and are willing participants in the Obamao agenda!__Whatever, they're gone
I am doing the same thing and will double down if this thing passes. Keep up the good fight!
And I thought just maybe he was the one Democrat with a spine and some principles. If he rolls, this confrims that that entire party must go. Time for severe partisanship. Screw bi-partisan anything.
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Any friend or family member I find supporting the left will be immediately disowned. They are an eminent threat to my country, my children and my grandchildren.
Would a nationwide strike be in order?
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How do we know this memo is authentic?
At HotAir they're reporting that the Dems say this memo is a scam. Mr. Breitbart – if you can put your folks onto proving otherwise – and doing so FAST, you will have the everlasting gratitude of patriotic Americans.
Should such a political memo have 'confidential" stamped on it? I'd think this would be hard to not see as bad PR. It seems to me this is a rookie mistake.
I guess we don't need to tell the idiots why we will be voting them out either. If they don't want to talk to us about something that will be 1/6 of our economy and will put our children and grandchildren in poverty to pay for, then we need to let them know that we don't care why they think they should represent us. They are clueless spineless ideologues if they vote for this and they need to have their political careers ended ASAP.
God Bless you Liz, but remember one thing. Europe fell to socialism because their citizens were not armed. America is not finished yet!
We can complain all we want about whats going on in congress now but we all seem to forget that if it was not for Olympia Snow and the other RHINO that vote in the senate to move this along last summer we would not be where we are today. I guess this is the first time I am ( proud) OOP'S I mean ASHAMED of my counrty.
I hate to admit it, but I'm there too. Shoot, I don't even go as far as the Commie thing…I can't see past the stupid.
Has this memo been verified to have come from the Dems?
They are pulling out all the stops to get this done…..What do you think the American people are going to do when all this comes out? The outrage is going to be enormous….read: The War Is On…..at……
http://cooperscopy.blogspot.com/
If they're not communist themselves they're stupid, ignoramous give-me, give-me, give-me people!
Mark, I was born in Holland. I just adore your nation. How America was founded etc. Now Obama wants "fundamentally transform" America. Your foundation never should change! The 56 men gave their Lives, Fortunes and Sacred Honor for ONE thing : FREEDOM!!!!! Obama does NOT care about the American people.
This is a forgery / fake document, and has been dislosed as such.
Hasn't anyone here bothered to follow the real news which is that the memo in question has turned out to be a fake?
TAKE OUT THE TRASH DAY is coming in this NOVEMBER to REMEMBER!!!
Fake? LOLz
TRUCK NUTZ!
This memo is a fake. Every other website has removed this document from their pages. This documented originated from the office of John Boehner, whose #1 contributor to his campaign vault is the insurance industry.
2+2=?
"The memo is a fake," said Kristie Greco, a spokesman for Majority Leader James Clyburn (D-S.C.). "It's an under-handed and unethical attempt to distract from the health care debate. If opponents of health insurance reform had a credible policy alternative they wouldn't have to resort to nefarious games."
I know! Can you believe Breitbart made this crap up! What a clown!
The memo is a hoax. Drudge took down all links to news of this.
"Why can't we see who issued this propoganda?"
because it came from the Right!
Um… I'm sorry, trolls but the only people saying it is a fake are DEMOCRATS.
Of course they'd say it is a fake.
Oh. Dear. Did you not get the "memo"? This is a hoax. A gag, if you will. See, when you don't have anything to add, when you have nothing constructive or helpful, you resort to this sort of nonsense.
Every other site that had it up, has taken it down as it is not proved to be from democrats but from someone inside the office of House Minority Leader John Boehner.
Doh!
Liar. You have no idea where that memo came from.
And you continue to listen to the lies the conservatives spread.
This memo is a complete fake. It did not originate from any Democratic office. It was circulate by a spokesmen from John Boehner's office. It smells of desperation. It is unethical, underhanded & fake. The "Draft" stamp is NOT used by any Democratic in the House or the Senate. Politico has already taken the fake memo down, Drudge & this site are still pimping it. I suspect this comment will never be posted.
This has been disproved AS FALSE. But dont let facts get in the way folks.
The funny part is that everything in that memo is true…. and EVERYONE knows it.
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