Google ISP Initiative Raises Eyebrows, Privacy Concerns
by Capitol ConfidentialIn a surprise move yesterday, Google announced via its blog that it intends to enter the internet service provider space, promising to develop experimental “ultra high-speed broadband networks in a small number of trial locations” across the nation.

The move quickly grabbed the attention of some observers of the net neutrality debate, in view of Google’s longstanding backing of the controversial policy. Internet service providers are among the most high-profile opponents of net neutrality, a position that has seen them along with the Communications Workers of America union, many minority and civil rights groups and others pitted on the opposite side of the debate from Google, President Obama, Federal Communications Commission (FCC) Chairman Julius Genachowski and far-left groups like Free Press. One telecoms policy expert quipped with tongue-in-cheek that if Google was “serious” about the move, those tracking the net neutrality debate could fairly assume that a shift in the company’s views regarding net neutrality would also be forthcoming. “Last I checked, Google was a big company that likes making money. If net neutrality were instituted, internet service provision—including by Google— could end up looking like a loss-making enterprise,” the expert told Capitol Confidential.
However, the move was more widely seen as a cynical ploy by Google to argue that net neutrality would not harm ISPs, constrain broadband deployment, or hamper quality of internet service. A Reuters article on the subject yesterday explicitly stated that “In building the test network, Google wants to demonstrate a carrier could easily manage complex applications that use a lot of bandwidth without sacrificing performance.” Reuters also cited telecommunications consultant Daniel Hays saying of the initiative that “In a big way, this is about Google wanting to make a case for net neutrality.”
One tech policy expert with whom Capitol Confidential spoke meanwhile opined that Google would almost certainly roll out its broadband in an area like Silicon Valley for the benefit of a limited number of users, rather than rolling it out across, say, Appalachia (which would present much more extensive challenges), for the potential benefit of millions. Indeed, Google conceded yesterday that its goal was simply to develop a trial service targeted at something between 50,000 and 500,000 users—an admission that resulted in the voicing of further, immediate skepticism. According to Reuters, “Analysts said they did not think Google would end up competing directly with carriers as it would cost the Internet company hundreds of billions of dollars to build a nationwide broadband network from scratch.” One such analyst, Todd Rethemeier, said that he was “skeptical” the economics would work to allow Google to deploy its network widely.
Genachowski, the prime mover of proposed net neutrality rules favored by Google, for his part hailed the move as a “significant trial.” However, some telecoms policy experts point out that Google has already attempted one “significant trial,” and fell flat: In 2006, Google invested in a experimental (and largely unsuccessful) WiFi network in its hometown of Mountain View, California, but failed to enter the space in any meaningful sense. Many suspect Google’s latest scheme, which was announced to much fanfare among liberal net neutrality advocates, will fizzle with similar uninspiring results. NetCompetition.org Chairman Scott Cleland characterized Google’s move as “P.R. stunt.” “With one hand Google is urging regulations that stifle broadband development, and with the other hand, they are saying that telecom companies should spend hundreds of billions” to further extend broadband.
However, Google could be facing a backlash against its announcement on other fronts, too. The company notoriously monetized its popular search engine by analyzing users’ search data and populating related advertising. A likely result of this latest scheme is that Google could have unfettered access to customers’ entire clickstream data.
Critics fear subscribers’ entire internet history could be collected and analyzed to the profit of Google. A Google spokesperson however maintains that the company doesn’t plan to use such data for ad-serving purposes—yet. Google has also indicated that to the extent that situation changes, Google would only use such data for advertising purposes “with the subscriber’s explicit opt-in consent.” That, however, is unlikely to allay the concerns of privacy advocates, on either the left or the right, meaning one immediate result of Google’s “experiment” will likely be a lot of incoming fire over the next few months.






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Isn't it funny how a couple of nobody nothings, had a good idea, and capitalized on it, are suddenly philanthropists, and all knowing intilectualls…!?
I mean, Larry Flynt had a great business model, but he's a pig. Would anyone take political advice from Larry Flynt? If not, then why would they take political advice from two Stanford butt wipes who hit a lucky 7…?
I don't personally use anything google. Not their search engine, not their chrome browser, not their cell phone browser, not Google Earth, not their maps, nothing…I would rather go to WalMart and buy a cart full of Chinese crap I will never use…!
Google, net neutrality, the FCC tracking everyone through their cell phones. Just wait until Obama makes it mandatory for everyone to get a "chip" implanted in their heiney. It will be much easier to track the subversives.
Personally, I would take business advice from Larry Flynt.
Granted, he is a pig; but even I could learn something from a pig.
I admire his stance for free speech.
I'll tell you something else, that the Christian Right doesn't know. Who do you think is the largest publisher of books, magazines, and even religious materials? You guessed it, Larry Flynt. Now talk about a twisted sense of humor!
Absolutely…! I would definitely take business advice from him. He has more than a worthy track record to dwell upon in that regard. I just don't want to hear his political views, nor do I want him to be an activist for a political cause, like the Google boys…
And you last comment about publishing is a perfect example of irony…I love it…!
LOL…Perfect
Google's BUZZ is the old jeans in new packet with features:
Auto Following
Rich, Fast Sharing experience…
Support for public and private sharing….
In-box integration
Just the other stuff…
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i think this article covers it – google mucking about trying to prove it's net neutrality case. I don't think it will succeed.
Google's tight association with the Obama Administration is really bothersome for me. How much did Schmidt give Obama?
First of all, have you met Larry Flynt?
I have. I have worked for him on some of his non-adult publications. You'll be surprised at the titles. He talked about them on 60 Minutes 30 years ago. He is also a loyal and fair employer. He extends incredible opportunities to the people who work for him. He has a family. He surrounds himself with patriots. He sustained a grave injury because he stood up for the rights of Americans. He is a good guy. Would you also call Hefner a pig? I've met him. A very gracious man.
Google? Try using google docs, google earth, google talk and any of the other products. Their search engine is the best on the planet, period. Google strategy is simple, be the best at what you do. And that seems to work. How can you fault that? Seems pretty much what America is (or was) about. Compare them to M$ and take a look at groklaw.net. M$ has vastly inferior products in the markets they target yet they seem to maintain a hold on those markets, at least in the US. How is that?
Google entering the ISP market? Outstanding! Only a handful of people can appreciate what this means. Look at what AOL became and the vile manner in which they extended their footprint. Google has the ability to become the single strongest brand in the world and they haven't used deceptive or repressive tactics to get here.
Openness. Like Droid. It's beautiful.
Nick,
No, I have not met Mr. Flynt, nor does it matter. I never questioned his character, his morals, how he runs his business, or how he treats his employees. I simple stated that "I just don't want to hear his political views, nor do I want him to be an activist for a political cause". How you misconstrued that statement to mean what you think I said is beyond me.
And…if you have a hard-on for Google…Good for you. That's one of the beautiful things about this country. You still have the right to choose your products in a free-market environment. Just because I don't like Google products, and you do, doesn't make either of us right or wrong, it only shows that we are exercising our freedoms of choice.
Also…If the Google boys want to expand into the ISP realm, than that is by all means their right. However, as an informed consumer, who follows what large corporations do, I don't personally feel that they have any business controlling that much of the internet. But unlike you, I'm not a fan of brands, I'm a fan of competition. And in my eyes, Google is just another budding GE.
Cont…
Their trying to gobble up, and get their hands in and on everything they possibly can. There political motivations should not be ignored, nor should their net neutrality stance. If you want to wear Google underwear and be proud of it…More power to ya brother! Not me…I prefer to have a range of choices and services to select from in order to accomplish the same task, For you to say: "Their search engine is the best on the planet, period." is simply your opinion. I don't agree. But again, that doesn't make me any more right or wrong than you…!
I personally think that Google and Obama have struck up a deal in the backroom. Google tracks everything on the internet. Go to google, type in your name and you will see where you are, what you wrote etc etc, more so than in any other search engine.
Google is " big brother" watching over you. Net Neutrality is the tool for the libs to pursue their control over the internet and google will help make this happen by maybe taking over companies that are in existence.Just saying.
Don't forget, Soros has a lot of money. This should be very interesting.
Maybe it is time to stop using Goodle. Is ther much we cannot get if we don't.? I would like to see Google's shares go down for this. They don't deserve our business if this is their plan.
Given the track record of the criminal traitors from Chicago, I think a follow the money routine is in order for this issue. Everyone in the media, especially FOX, ABC, CBS, NBC should be screaming about this. Just like the bribers in the health care debacle, Google is following that model to monopolilze the internet and control our content to suit them. And of course, they will let the government of th eUS decide what is and is not "proper content".
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I really don't understand the Google hate that goes on on this site. Newsflash people: Google doesnt support net neutraility cause they're hardcore liberals, they support it because it would increase their profits. Google is just doing what a corporation is supposed to do, and you all begrudge them for it. IMO, Google going into ISP makes perfect sense: Google should subsidize internet users because the more users they are, the more they use Google, the more ad money they make.
As far as politics goes, the CEOs are allowed to give money to whomever they want. And so is Google..we just ahad a supreme court case that said so, one that you all supposedly endorsed. If you really stopped using products of corps that give money to Dems, you'd be living in the stone age.
It's coming! Only a politically correct "Black" President could pull it off too!
COMCAST is fighting for positioning with the obama camp too!
I think what is obvious to many of us is that Google is becoming to big and to powerful of a company that is most likely in bed with shadowy global governance.
I had seen that the CEO of Google was on a list of names that attended a recent Bilderbergs meeting and it did not surprise me.
Google already carnivores your email for advertising purposes at gmail. They are in bed with the N SA for
somewhat unknowable nefarious purposes. I wouldn't trust them, they are left coasters afterall.
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If that's what you think then you're no different than Michael Moore.
Well said!!!!!!!!!!!!
No Google. No thanks. Not now, not ever.
I'd be selling off Google stock if I had any. Every time a private sector business starts mucking around in politics they end up losing big time. That's the problem with people. They never know when they're well off.
It puts me in mind of the fable of the cow, the bird and the fox. One winter a bird is flying south when he encounter a huge snowstorm. Unable to continue his migration, he falls to the ground and is freezing to death. A cow happens along right before the bird dies and craps on the bird, completely covering him in crap. After a while, the bird warms up. He is so happy to still be alive that he pokes his head out of the pile of cow flop and begins to sing for joy! Just then, a fox shows up. He plucks the bird out of the cow pie, cleans it off and eats it.
The moral of the story is:
1.) Everyone who craps on you is not your enemy.
2.) Everyone who gets you out of some crap is not necessarily your friend.
3.) If you are warm and happy where you're at…keep your mouth shut!
Thanks for the chuckle.
"…Just wait until Obama makes it mandatory for everyone to get a "chip" implanted in their heiney…" I started cracking up reading that and then laughed harder when I got to the end.
In truth, this country would be far safer having Obama in an ankle bracelet than with us having chips in our heinies (as if I have a clue how to spell that correctly).
Note that Google rarely 'remembers' American Founder birthdays–something that the editors here may want to shine light upon. I'm about ready to pack up my emails and head outta Google town–maybe this would be the appropriate time.
In my opinion, Google has started becoming more like Standard Oil (early 20th century) and Google needs a good anti-trust look by the Justice Department. Standard Oil had to be broken up. It may be time for Google to start spinning some of their areas off as independent companies.
I don't hate google, just don't trust it. The old maxim, Trust and Verify has been useful.
Yeah, free markets suck! Government is the solution! Oh wait…
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Screw Google. It actively aids and abest human rights abuses and enemies of this country just so it can pocket a few million more bucks. Now it's trying to get the Feds to do with our money what its shareholders should be doing. I'm heading over to Google right now, and sending e-mails to every advertiser telling them I'm boycotting them for their association with an immoral enterprise. It's time for some pushback.
face it as long as Google is bringing in billions the government will let them go with whatever they wish.
The left thinks of the U.S. as greedy and selfish and all along they overlook the fact that Americans have always worked for what they have. It's what made our nation great. Real Americans never asked for free ride and only even asked for hand outs in shame and disgrace. Today free rides and hand outs are a way of life for many and the Left only seems to encourage it. ~Alyssa lose baby weight
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