Google: Openness for Thee, But Not For Me
by Capitol ConfidentialIn the ongoing fight over proposed rules that would institute net neutrality, a major proponent of the policy is taking fresh heat from critics. Google, arguably the world’s biggest name in tech, a major source of campaign donations to President Barack Obama, and one of the most prominent advocates of an “open internet,” is taking heat for alleged hypocrisy and rent seeking.

The criticism comes as the company continues to advocate for the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) to impose net neutrality rules that would target internet service providers (ISPs) while opposing so-called “search neutrality” that would impact both the company and its revenues in a manner that observers of the debate say could be particularly adverse to Google.
Last week, in a post on the official Google blog, the company’s senior vice president for product management, Jonathan Rosenberg, wrote that while Google’s “goal is to keep the Internet open,” it opposes the concept of “openness” where it would apply to its own search and ad products.
Ironically, the rationale behind Google’s opposition to “open internet” policy of this sort sounds remarkably similar to the rationale expressed by ISPs—which Google and other “open internet” advocates have targeted as the enemy in the current fight regarding FCC rules—for opposing net neutrality. According to Rosenberg, opening up Google’s code “would actually hurt users” and result in “reduced quality” for those who rely on the service in question.
That is an end result that net neutrality opponents say could equally well be assured by instituting that specific policy, though they allege that a key difference is that net-only neutrality would help, not hurt, Google, from a financial perspective. Broader openness, by contrast, would strike a major blow to Google—and open internet advocates and major voices in the tech sphere are now calling the company out for dressing up a public policy stance that appears to driven by a pure profit motive as philosophically principled and heartfelt.
In a recent post at Boing Boing, blogger Rob Beschizza comments on how odd it is “that of all the products Google would be forced to keep proprietary by its commitment to an open internet, it just happens to be the ones that make it all of its money.”
At top tech blog Tech Crunch, meanwhile, writer Erick Schonfeld posted an item titled “For Google, The Meaning Of Open Is When It’s Convenient For Them.” In it, Schonfeld responds to Rosenberg’s assertion that openness in the realm of search and ad products would “hurt users” saying:
Maybe, but it is more likely it would hurt Google… really nobody should begrudge them the right to keep products they’ve spent a lot of time, energy, and money building to themselves. But don’t give us this song and dance about how everything should be open and how Google is the opennest company in the world…. Google should just be honest and say that they think everything should be open—except for search and advertising.
In addition, an open internet advocate who alleges his firm was hurt by Google’s practices has now also called out the company for trying to argue “that discriminatory market power is somehow dangerous in the hands of a cable or telecommunications company but harmless in the hands of an overwhelmingly dominant search engine” in a New York Times op-ed.
Writes Adam Raff, a co-founder of Internet technology firm Foundem, “Google’s treatment of Foundem stifled our growth and constrained the development of our innovative search technology.” He asserts that the effect of the FCC enshrining limited openness, such as what Google wants, could be “a bleakly uniform world of Google Everything — Google Travel, Google Finance, Google Insurance, Google Real Estate, Google Telecoms and, of course, Google Books”—in short, a government-sanctioned, Google monopoly.
Observers say that is something that would undoubtedly be to Google’s significant financial advantage, but which would certainly irk anti-corporate, public interest and consumer advocate groups who together with the company have formed the core of the pro-net neutrality coalition.
“There is a growing rift” says one observer, who also noted that support for net neutrality from existing coalition members seems to be waning. That individual points to top blogger Glenn Reynolds, listed as a “Charter Member” of the pro-net neutrality Save the Internet Coalition, having recently voiced skepticism regarding efforts to regulate the internet and suggests that the coalition may be weakening.
That could be bad news for Google, but good news for opponents of the FCC’s proposed net neutrality rules. As it stands, the FCC continues to invite public comment on those rules, with a decision expected next year.





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"Don't be evil."
I guess it depends on what your definition of "evil" is.
Don't be evil unless you can profit from it.
I must agree..
"don't be evil"… they went wayyyyyyyyyyy pat evil years ago. and they like to be evil and they are so good at it.
They love paedophiles and hate Christians. they refused ad revenue when it did not meet their "tolerance" levels.
We don't want regulation – unless it screws over someone else. Heh.
I don't trust google nor Eric Schmidt. Too me google is the GE of tech.
Shhh! They're listening.
Google better beware of who they get in bed with.
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I have not used Google Search in years. Vote with your pocket books. GE, CITI Bank, Goldman Sachs, Google and a long list of other names inside and outside of WallStreet could not get Obama and the Democrats elected fast enough.
Pay them back by buying from their competitors when ever you can.
As it stands, the FCC continues to invite public comment on those rules (Courtesy of Capitol Confidential)
Yeah, just like the Gov't wanted to hear from the Public on Stimulus and Health Care!
Does the average person know what net neutrality means? It's more about providing every type of service (text, voice, video) through the internet. Video and voice streams require a higher priority (guaranteed bandwidth) through the internet for them to be viable. Text or web browsing does not require "on-time" delivery of html pages. The equipment to provide this ability is being built now despite this current debate. This issue is more about providing optimum service than it is about discriminating against a specific person or company. By it's objections, Google is slowing the growth of services on the internet.
For the time being they kind of are…….When I attempt to search Fisting for example, I get hits on Obama and Kevin Jennings.
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Don't be duped. Capitol Confidential must be connected to one of the big media conglomerates that wants to control your internet. This article is a complete distortion of the issues, and an attempt to confuse Googles pre-eminence with Big Media and it's attempt to control and monopolize your media consumption.
Joe blow get onto the Internet via an ISP (Comcast, Time-Warner, et al). He goes to a search engine and types in "lying bastard". The Search Engine returns a list of sites related to the term "lying bastard". Here is what Big Media (the ISP's) want: Joe is using me as his ISP. Therefore, I can take the search result from the Search Engine and add websites that pay me revenue to the top of the list Joe sees. In other words, Big Media wants Joe to see what they him to see. Net Nuetrality would prevent them from doing this.
The search transaction is between Joe and the Search Engine.
Here is the difference: Joe doesn't have to use Google as his search engine. He can use Bing, Yahoo, ASK, or a number of other search engines if he doesn't like Google. If he chooses Google, that is because it's his preference. The market for Search Engines is open and free. Cable/Phone have monopolistic control over ISP's because of the FCC. Joe has no choice.
Don't let Lying Bastards fool you. Net Neutrality is an attempt for mnopolies to control what you see. It has nothing to do with Google.
They are lying assholes and always have been. From their "Algorithm" driven news sources that had no human hand involved until it turned out that why yes, yes they do have humans "helping" pick their news sources after all. To their China business practices that are merely a way to bring internet to billions and not a way to help keep a boot on the neck of millions. To their ad and search business….
Go the the web site free press, check them out, know that Mark Lloyd supports net nuetrality. This is just a major assault on the 1st amendment .
You all know the MSM is not telling you the truth, do you really trust this government to run the free market built, free market driven internet?
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wow google is bad, what the f##k an't bad. wal mart is deeeeep in bed with china. hussein owes his soul. M.S. owns the military. me i own shit come take it.
Google is about the most anti-American company out there and would be right at home on Corruptible Hill with all the other Corrupticians. This company was founded on theft and is kept going by obfuscating its operations and ripping off its advertising clients through various and nefarious ploys.
I know for a fact that Google looks the other way when click thru skimmers setup sites to defraud people, they could care less as long as they get a few bucks in their pockets. The rule seems to be
"Get caught doing no evil"
Despite all the hype about what do-gooder comapany they are. Googles philosophy is if you are caught deny it, if you can't deny it then just ignore it. Seems like Obama and Google have a lot in common that way.
So I am not at all surprised that they would align themselves with the progressive "Theftists"
I hope Net Neutrality is killed, but if it's not then Google should be killed as well, which would be quite ironic really.
You are right, when you dance with the devil you will get burned.
Problem is the Google execs are fellow travelers and much like the academics in the USSR they thought they were safe and on the team.
Obama will use them, cut deals, whatever, then discard them once the deal is done, the Google Execs are fools to think any deal they make will be binding.
Internally their real motto is "Don't get caught doing any evil"
There second motto is "Plausible deniability is your friend"
FCC Chairman Genachowski, Commissioner Michael Copps, Diversity Czar Mark Lloyd, former Internet Czar Susan Crawford, Science and Technology Czar John Holdren, along with BO have all played key roles in promoting this Net Neutrality campaign of Government control of the internet. If you trust the government to run this information superhighway more then you do the free market forces that built it and so far has kept things running ok, then so be it. But it would be very smart to utillize the free acces to information you still have to at least check these people out and their associations very closely to see if they are indeed honest brokers and stewards of the 1st ammendment and for the the promotion of a free and open cyber society. I have, you can form your own conclusions…
News Busters:
“The government is increasingly monitoring Facebook, Twitter and other social networking sites for tax delinquents, copyright infringers and political protesters.”
Wired magazine reported in October:
In-Q-Tel, the investment arm of the CIA and the wider intelligence community, is putting cash into Visible Technologies, a software firm that specializes in monitoring social media. It’s part of a larger movement within the spy services to get better at using ”open source intelligence” — information that’s publicly available, but often hidden in the flood of TV shows, newspaper articles, blog posts, online videos and radio reports generated every day
cont
I think that really is the problem, most of the employees there would think that the evils of communism are vastly over stated and ethics should of course be situational.
I doubt more than 30% of them even beleive that evil exists.
Collective intelligence could make it possible for insurance companies, for example, to use behavioral data to covertly identify people suffering from a particular disease and deny them insurance coverage. Similarly, the government or law enforcement agencies could identify members of a protest group by tracking social networks revealed by the new technology. “There are so many uses for this technology — from marketing to war fighting — that I can’t imagine it not pervading our lives in just the next few years,” says Steve Steinberg, a computer scientist who works for an investment firm in New York.
In a widely read Web posting, he argued that there were significant chances that it would be misused, “This is one of the most significant technology trends I have seen in years; it may also be one of the most pernicious.”
info: thanks to Pat Dollard site
Unfortunately, the network neutrality debate has been completely poisoned by large, corporate interests, and has become a false dichotomy segmenting people into either a "support" or an "oppose" camp. The term has become loaded, and to most people who don't follow the issue closely, the terms have taken on alternate meanings.
Network neutrality is one of those debates that really needs to be started fresh, even though the spin doctors would never want to lose their hard, expensive work to a fresh redux.
Liberty is protected by ensuring that ISPs enjoying status as natural monopolists or oligopolists act in the same way as the USPS, FedEx, and UPS – that is, their purpose is to transport sealed contents from point A to point B. In the interest of efficiency and choice of value, several options can be offered for ultimate selection by the customer, where appropriate, (e.g., ground, three-day, overnight), to transport contents of different size and handling requirements.
We wouldn't appreciate a courier opening our packages and inserting catalogs from competing senders. If one of the major couriers did that, most of us would switch over such an abhorrent privacy practice.
With IP transit, the situation is a bit more complicated, especially due to the government-sanctioned or natural monopoly over residential service.
Likewise, as far as residential broadband is concerned, the best way to protect liberty is to ensure that providers remain couriers – that is, their concerns end where specificity of content begins. If there exists a technical reason to handle video content in a certain manner, then that manner of handling should apply to all video content, rather than serving as an excuse for an ISP using its leverage to delay the content you wish to access for no reason other than wanting to push partner content on you.
Competition is good, which is why we don't need ISPs using coercive tactics to push partner content. The Internet needs to remain a marketplace of ideas, else we risk descent into a hellish state of affairs in which alternative voices (Mr. Breitbart, this means you) get muscled out in backroom cronyism between media barons and ISPs.
Additionally, there is a great risk to privacy from the construction of a traffic monitor at the ISP-level for the purpose of recording/classifying every site a customer visits for billing purposes, or the more innocuous QoS purposes. In this age of interconnected, secret databasing, and the growing threat of America becoming a surveillance society, it is certainly best that traffic logs not exist, since they will inevitably find their way into government hands. If you possess certain risk factors (veteran, gun owner, bible owner, believer in the Tenth Amendment), then these traffic logs are not in your best interest, should the ISPs use one of the hypothesized "billing approaches."
This is a First Amendment issue, in part, because the government uses its eminent domain powers to grant a limited number of ISPs the rights-of-way needed to provide residential broadband.
ISPs also enjoy certain legal protections for indiscriminately carrying data without inspection or editorial approval (legally, this is called a "common carrier"). In short, if you use your Internet access to do something illegal or actionable, your ISP isn't responsible, since they aren't expected to do anything else other than move data from point A to point B. If they wish to retain those protections based on the theory that their role is strict, content-neutral transport, then they need to remain just as neutral as a physical courier service, whose only concerns are the package's shape, weight, and desired delivery date – all principles which can be translated to the broadband industry.
Imagine a future where your ISP says that a site will harm your computer, and refuses to connect you to it.
Once that blocking mechanism in in place, imagine a future in which sites get blocked by residential ISPs as soon as an elite interest merely files a defamation suit.
Now, take that one step further, and imagine a future where the government obtains injunctions against sites not complying with Cass Sunstein's (regulatory czar) ideas for the Fairness Doctrine on alternative media, blogs, and personal sites.
The slippery slope created by allowing any blocking mechanism to exist, for any reason, is simply too great to tolerate in a free society. Likewise, any policy allowing a carrier of content to inspect and act upon the specific message of content we request (as opposed to its general, message-neutral technical characteristics) is far too great of a danger to exist in a free society.
Excellent points Copperpeony,great job of covering the all important 4th amendment. In addition to those concerns I am also worried the 1st amendment implications of Net Neutrality, all around not a good thing…
Well said…
Try opening this page in google Chrome browser, it says this page may be harmful to my computer. Isn't that kinda weird. Seriously. Just open this page in the Chrome Browser and see if you get the same problem.
Anonymous, enjoyed your piece, extremely lucid and thought provoking. Am I correct in taking from your comments,that common carriers ought not "sell" content? You seem to on one hand to have faith in competition, yet not completly at ease with the status quo.
Not quite. I'm drawing a rather nuanced distinction.
There is really no problem with ISPs being in the content market, per se. ISPs offering content and value-added services can drive valuable innovation. For example, an ISP's start/webmail page should not be purged of profitable content in the name of ideological purity. ISPs should be free to innovate in this regard, and there is clearly no coercion, as alternatives are available.
Similarly, ISPs can also bring additional value to market by combining subscription content or software as a service along with their connectivity. There is really no harm in an ISP making available a service offering with built-in legal music downloads, subscriptions to premium news, and antivirus updates, if that (convenience, one bill) is what customers so desire.
The problem occurs when ISPs ink a partner deal, then use their position to muscle out competition. For example, Comcast now owns part of NBC, and has become one of its content partners. Comcast is a monopoly or near-monopoly in many regions, and has received tens of billions of dollars in government subsidies and easement grants to expand its service.
The problem is not the actual selling of content, but rather, the potential for an ISP to use its leverage stemming from its ownership of the "last mile" of network connectivity (or frequency spectrum, years from now) to allow its content partners an anticompetitive edge over other providers.
It is certainly plausible than an ISP, beholden to meddling czars and the mainstream media, would conjure up a phony technical reason as to why Mr. Breitbart's streaming video can't be given the same quality of transport as the MSM's streaming video.
My position is that ISPs having grants of extremely limited public resources over the last mile not abuse that leverage to enrich a content partner (which is anticompetitive in the content arena), especially when those ISPs and content providers are so large as to already be entangled with partisan political interests (which presents an Orwellian problem).
The ISPs (datacenters) providing service to the content providers are a completely different story. There are literally thousands of datacenters and upstream providers offering service in the commercial market, since a server farm can really be located almost anywhere.
I don't see a problem with ISPs, for example, selling online subscriptions to the New York Times, provided they aren't erecting pointless barriers based on poor excuses to those wishing to access alternative sources.
When a common carrier's concerns go above and beyond the "black box" transport requirements, in an content-specific way, then that common carrier is starting to behave like a media outlet. Media outlets have no business receiving the easements for the last mile.
This is not a left-right issue; it would be a conflict between "Big Media" and alternative voices not capable of navigating the red tape promulgated by non-neutral common carriers or the government.
It isn't even guaranteed to happen. PR pressures could well keep it from happening. It is, however, such a slippery slope, that it could dramatically restructure our marketplace of ideas in favor of a nasty alliance between Big Media and Big Government.
It really is unbelievable. This story appears and google slaps the this site may harm your computer block up. It cannot be coincidence. I will never use a Google product again. Frightening. These people make millions off of America and then try to shut it down.
So… basically it's the whole "I'm for it, as long as it doesn't affect me" stance. Sort of like how a good portion of our Congressmen seem to have with the Healthcare bill.
If they kill off Microsoft I will totally become BFF with Google. I loathe microsoft.
who do you use a search engine?
they totally want to hear from us true americans, that is the patriots who support every iota of the sacred health care bill in all of its past, present, and future forms.
These Google Gomers are so annoying, I'm sticking with Yahoo.
I hate google but it looks like this an issue with a 3rd party analytics provider biggovt is using. The malware screen has been up for a few days. I emailed andrew about it on Saturday.
Classic. The big gov't community rated your post negative despite it being on the same anti-Google side as the author. Methinks the sheep simply read the first sentence.
Keep your comments limited to exaggerated anti-Obama platitudes, and with hard work, by golly, you'll get those thumbs-ups! It's the American dream!
Nice post.
People, UNDERSTAND WHAT NET NEUTRALITY IS BEFORE FORMING AN OPINION!
NET NEUTRALITY IS AN WHOLLY LIBERTARIAN CONCEPT! ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGH!
JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE YOU DON'T LIKE SUPPORTS SOMETHING, DOESN'T MEAN IT'S WRONG!
Learn what net neutrality actually is, please.
Beware any USA company that abides by China's internet access rules. You can see our future as it occurs.
to: ewebster and richard w.
Same story, 2nd time around. I, too, was warned of Malware on this site. Happened last week when I wanted
to see something about Chicago being unhappy with Obama, on Breitbart's website. WARNING!!!MALWARE!!!
If it is indeed malware, sure I want to know! But, If it is to keep me in the dark, it is as bad as the L.A.Times or
The New York Times just " printing all the propaganda that's fit to print" and side stepping the truth that might
be painful to know, but truth just the same! We're BIG NOW. We CAN handle the TRUTH!
I for one feel the best course is to let the market run it's course if at all possible. Comcast has allready run into a lttle trouble trying to "manage: traffic" and met with subscriber backlash. I hope the lesson was learned. I continue to hold out hope that the best solution is to allow the market to work
Anything that Obumbo and his Merry clan of Czars, touch, becomes CORRUPT with CONTROL over the PEOPLE.
IF PEOPLE CAN'T SEE THIS, THEN WE WILL ALL BE IN CHAINS AFTER 8 YEARS
Google is NOT your friend.
For the benefit of those who don't know what we're discussing, Comcast deliberately crippled peer-to-peer traffic, both legal and illegal, in an indiscriminate fashion, to try and drive the traffic off their network. They had previously induced customers to enter contracts for service with advertising touting "unlimited" access.
The class action suit has been settled.
http://www.p2pcongestionsettlement.com/
The suit itself is a rather standard case of breach and misleading adverting, however the circumstances of the case are relevant to the issue at hand here.
In a nutshell, Comcast erected an artificial technological barrier to frustrate users. The vast majority of those users were engaged in illegal filesharing.
In copyright infringement lawsuits against Comcast users, Comcast is never sustained as a party, due to their status as a common carrier, which is a legal defense provided by the government to ISPs who are in the business of passing along data with no knowledge of what that data is, nor any editorial control over it. The protection is wise policy, as it encourages the growth of transit serving the vast majority of legal users. The common carrier protection is designed to prevent every network from having to inspect and, if necessary, censor every activity on their network, for reasons of liability.
So here, we have Comcast, that wants to inspect and interfere with some communications when it suits their interests in one instance, but disclaim all knowledge or control over those communications when it suits their interests in another instance.
The only way to protect liberty in the long run is to adhere to the standard that ISPs deliver all data to all destinations as common carriers, with any prioritization being uniform and done in good faith (unlike what led to the settlement). Any scenario in which carriers micromanage and control content in transit creates the necessary infrastructure to destroy the Internet as we know it, delivering it either to a cabal of corporate interests, at best, to tyrannical government, at worst.
I have been getting that message for the past 3-4 days.
I thought it to be weird at first also.
I have been using Google Chrome for around 5 months and been going to Biggovernment site since the Acorn scandal hit.
The Times published a piece in its Business section last November that touched on this very subject:
Propelled by new technologies and the Internet’s steady incursion into every nook and cranny of life, collective intelligence offers powerful capabilities, from improving the efficiency of advertising to giving community groups new ways to organize.
But even its practitioners acknowledge that, if misused, collective intelligence tools could create an Orwellian future on a level Big Brother could only dream of.
When I clicked on this page I got (no kidding) a Google ALERT saying that this site had malware, and do I want to open it anyway…
If people wouldn't use Google like it's the only thing on the internet, perhaps Google wouldn't be synonymous with the word internet? Ignorance shall be the death of this country…!
I can confirm that this has been happening for weeks. I emailed BG a month ago as well.
Just another sign of the times baby! Corporations do not have to produce logical arguments for their business plans when a large piece of their plan in feeding at the citizen's trough. Blame your elected official for opening the gates on this behavior. It goes back to the early days of the Republic but seems to have greatly accelerated with the rise of the hippies…
You're right, Dwight. (sorry) Lot's of echo on this board, lots of talk about evil and impeachment and revolution. I'm pissed about what's going on, but I'm not going to loose my head over it. Too much emotion, not enough noodling.
Thoughtful post, but I would argue that the market acts to regulate interference quiet effectively. When Comcast got nabbed demoting some packets over others, consumers (geeks) identified what they were doing and raised a stink. What happened? Comcast was threatened with a loss of customers to its competitors and they *backed down*. What is most important if for consumers to have information and options. Such a scenario, while not ensured by a free-market regime, if far easier to acheive than one in which the government controls the network (or charters a monopoly to run the network.)
Some relevant posts that explore the problems with Net Neutrality from a free market perspective:
http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa507.pdf
http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-626.pdf
http://www.heartland.org/publications/policy%20st...
http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/regv30n3/v30n...
http://www.bing.com
NO MORE GOOGLE IS NEEDED!
http://noliberalspin.blogtownhall.com/2009/12/29/...
the Anti Liberal Zone
That block has been there off and on for months, by Microsoft Internet Explorer.
It still could be Google doing its political thing. I don't know about that. But i have had the experience with IE7, for (obviously) no good reason.
NET NEUTRALITY IS AN WHOLLY LIBERTARIAN CONCEPT! ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGH!
JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE YOU DON'T LIKE SUPPORTS SOMETHING, DOESN'T MEAN IT'S WRONG!
Learn what net neutrality actually is, please.
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If that's what net neutrality actually meant to Google's corporate detractors, you'd be right. What it means to the content creators and ISPs is that they screw up–block/slow down–the transmission of packets originating from competitors. I'm fine with metered service, I'm fine with peak rate surcharges; but they must be applied without regard for the content in or originator of the packet–that's net neutrality.
Dwight, below, ought to ask himself why that isn't the only thing his side is talking about to fund the growth of the internet.
None of this means this objections made by Google in the original post aren't blatantly self-serving.
Sorry, but this example supports the absence of government regulation: the market regulated itself. Consumers (Comcast subscribers) discovered that traffic was being altered in a selective way and raised a stink. That's when Comcast backed down. No need to regulate.
Sorry, not Dwight, cere47b.
It is over, isn't it!!!
Google people have shown they're not above manipulating search results based on their politics. They're also not bothered by human rights considerations when it comes to grabbing market share.
'Cloud computing'….is this advancement? Imagine that the cloud was created first, then along came the ability to create and store your own docs in the privacy and security of your own home or business.
Google is trying to create its own reality, the one which keeps them at the center of the money flow & power. It's a 'high tech biz' with decidedly human motives.
Of course U.S. Veterans may be evil too, especially if they signed up during the Bush administration. Best not to hire them. Ooops! I referenced rumor!
At the first link I found this sentence: "achieving concrete policy victories through sustainable organizing. "
That's all I need to know about the supporters of net neutrality – they ARE the enemy of the First Amendment. In fact, the words policy and sustainable have become red flags for me for Socialists parading as Democrats among us. Along with "green" and "justice" these are the clues to the real agenda.
Google has a team of "scrubbers" both automated and human to purge searches of anything that might reflect negatively on Eric' s boy. I am amazed at the darth of information regarding Obma's background. I would wager that Maurice Strong, Soros and the entire media establichment could get behind "Don't be Evil" without a hint of conscience.
As they said in the 70's "Shoot your TV". It may come time soon to shoot your PC… Or at the least limit your computer time to non-online work. Go back to paper bill paying, buying stamps again. Heck, maybe even read a newspaper if there's one left that isn't so screwed up you could get fair reporting from it. After that, maybe buy a horse and carriage and sell the lexus!
Classic. Dwight actually thinks he has something substantial to contribute. Keep trolling and posting and, by golly, you'll have a healthy self-image in no time! It's Dwight's dream!
Yeah,Capitol Confidential must be connected to one of the big media conglomerates that wants to control your internet..
And using all upper case does not prove anything other than you are a child.
Use Bing for searches – it is a better engine and it is NOT Google. I made a conscious decision not to support Google – their sanctimonious "holier than thou" attitude is all of a piece with the current Administration. Google is nearly a monopoly, in the worst sense of the word.
Yes, I got a Google pop up indicating the site has "malware". This was the first pop up I've ever had on my new iMac home computer. I wish someone could investigate this.
I have no idea what you point is
[...] Neutrality and the duplicitous stance that Google has taken as a proponent of the same. I assume this was the offending text that caused Chrome to flag this article as malware: Last week, in a post on the official Google blog, the company’s senior vice president for [...]
Actually, the class action lawsuit brought an end to the debacle.
At this point, we don't need additional regulations passed, hence by aversion to Google's platform.
We have a very effective law already on the books: the common carrier safe harbor. Comcast clearly violated the spirit of that protection by examining and crippling their customers' P2P data after they had deflected thousands of copyright infringement lawsuits by claiming the safe harbor by invoking a lack of knowledge or control over the traffic they routed for their customers.
This position is completely bipolar, which is why we need to begin enforcing the laws currently on the books, before we begin piling on more laws in the usual Washington fashion.
The Comcast debacle was ended by a class action lawsuit, and quite likely, additional concerns of liability relayed by Comcast's own lawyers.
ISPs do not want to own the traffic that flows across their networks. Far too much of it is actionable – ISPs would be swiftly bankrupted if the legal system applied the usual joint and several liability to ISPs every time a customer's behavior rises to the level of actionable in tort.
Think of a defamation lawsuit. Every nobody defaming others on blogs and forums would be sued, because without the common carrier defense, trial lawyers would be eager to reach into the deep pockets of the ISPs for transmitting the defamatory material.
We don't need more laws at this point. Anything Washington does is likely to grant more power over the Internet to Washington. Clear judicial precedent that the common carrier safe harbor applies only to neutral ISPs would discourage incidents like these in the future.
How about this: Evil=when you sell out to the Red Chinese. Google did that a long time ago. Unfortunately our whole nation seems to be following in its footsteps.
Last time search engines manipulated search results for profit at the expense of accuracy, the result was that they were all destroyed by Google, which didn't. Anybody used AltaVista or HotBot lately? Search neutrality is guaranteed by the ease and low expense of users switching search engines. We already had a case where all the incumbents violated it, and market forces fixed it.
However, if you want to change broadband ISPs, you've got a hell of a lot bigger problems than typing in a new URL; there are only so many wires in the ground leading to your home. If you want a neutral ISP, and your only local phone company and your only local cable company don't provide one, how do you switch to someone who does?
Now, it might well be that net neutrality regulations aren't actually a good or necessary idea. But it's at least plausible that they might be, while search neutrality regulations are obviously and blatantly stupid.
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Thank you. This is a well-stated (albeit somewhat technical) post on a very important issue.
Once the ISP's have the right to take the results from a search engine and modify them, it should be evident to everyone how easy it will be for the government to start regulating. A small handful of huge ISP companies will be very easy to dictate to. Search Engines are much more difficult to regulate, since theoretically anyone with some programming skills can write his own and make it available to the public. (And many choices exist for search engines…no one forces you to use Google.) I'm sure Barney Frank and Anthony Weiner (think about it)would love nothing more than regulating what links you see in your search results.
The issue of correctly costing bandwith usage should not be confused with monopolies controlling internet content.
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The NYT op'ed is a guy complaining that his company doesn't score well on google. Just because you label two things as "neutral" doesn't make them equal. Forcing a company to show its code (invading its privacy) is not the same thing as preventing another company from invading it's users privacy.
I expect a lot of conflicted op'eds against google but I must remind you that it's your credilibity on the line here.
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Google is undoubtedly giving a great service. But need some attention.