Pelosi Health Care Bill Blows a Kiss to Trial Lawyers
by Capitol ConfidentialThe health care bill recently unveiled by Speaker Nancy Pelosi is over 1,900 pages for a reason. It is much easier to dispense goodies to favored interest groups if they are surrounded by a lot of legislative legalese. For example, check out this juicy morsel to the trial lawyers (page 1431-1433 of the bill):
Section 2531, entitled “Medical Liability Alternatives,” establishes an incentive program for states to adopt and implement alternatives to medical liability litigation. [But]…… a state is not eligible for the incentive payments if that state puts a law on the books that limits attorneys’ fees or imposes caps on damages.
So, you can’t try to seek alternatives to lawsuits if you’ve actually done something to implement alternatives to lawsuits. Brilliant! The trial lawyers must be very happy today!
While there is debate over the details, it is clear that medical malpractive lawsuits have some impact on driving health care costs higher. There are likely a number of procedures that are done simply as a defense against future possible litigation. Recall this from the Washington Post:
“Lawmakers could save as much as $54 billion over the next decade by imposing an array of new limits on medical malpractice lawsuits, congressional budget analysts said today — a substantial sum that could help cover the cost of President Obama’s overhaul of the nation’s health system. New research shows that legal reforms would not only lower malpractice insurance premiums for medical providers, but would also spur providers to save money by ordering fewer tests and procedures aimed primarily at defending their decisions in court, Douglas Elmendorf, director of the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, wrote in a letter to Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah).”
Stay tuned. There are certainly many more terrible, horrible, no-good, very bad provisions in this massive bill.
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This entire Health Care issue is making me sick.
I am appalled at the hubris and contempt that this CON-gress has shown to America. Quite frankly, it is time for a purge.
Wow, that's a nice catch. I'm hoping that is in the talking points of every single Republican making a public statement for the next week or so (along with Howard Dean's quote about the Dems not wanting to upset the trial lawyers who give them so much money). At some point the Republicans need to get a more coherent message to make the most of their limited coverage in the MSM. People will start paying attention if the message makes sense to them.
Yes, 1900 opportunites of illness!
You have got to be kidding me.
"We'll fix the broken healthcare system, but only if healthcare providers promise to not change anything. We want to give the same service at thrice the price, because that's improvement."
Looks like we may have to melt the congressional phones again. The PEOPLE stopped the big amnesty push a couple of years ago, so the PEOPLE will have to stop this Orwellian nightmare as well. They don't stop, but neither do we.
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Write, fax, call. Repeat.
oh boy i get to call barbara boxer and diane feinstein. tried that on the gun control one. feinstein's assistant was a real sweetheart getting the information for me and although i didn't agree with his answer i was pleased that i was able to get my message through to feinstein. boxer's assistant was a real female dog and simply said "if she wants you to know her opinion then she will state her opinion" and i said "here's my opinion: tell her she works for US and she needs to give her opinion. oh, and I'm against the gun treaty with the UN. tell her that" UGH self righteous political leftists.
"Blowing a kiss" is a very understated way of describing this.
"America is at that awkward stage.
It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."
Today I asked my legislators if they really believe this President can deliver "health care" at a trillion dollars without adding "one dime" to the deficit?
What else are they not telling the truth on?
How much IS this massive government intrusion into personal health decisions going to cost us? Who is going to pay for it?
Signed,
OUTRAGED
This is collusion of the worst order.
REPUBLICANS ARE RUINING THIS COUNTRY. OUR RETURNING AMERICAN HERO'S NEED HEALTH COVERAGE. THEY CAN'T GET IT FROM THE EXISTING HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY BECAUSE OF THEIR "PREEXISTING CONDITION". ONLY THE LEADER OBAMA CAN SAVE THE US HEALTH INDUSTRY. PLEASE, THINK OF OUR TROOPS AND SUPPORT THIS BILL. YES WE CAN
The Democrats are in bed with the trial lawyers. What did you expect. Reform you can believe in. What a joke.
You are an idiot.
Knobbers for all the shysters.
All the whores aren't from K Street.
Check out this parody of the Dems' view of health care by lawyers: http://optoons.blogspot.com/2009/06/obama-plan-ca...
Vero nos possumus
our medicine will be RATIONED folks. get used to it. fortunately just as many millions of liberals will die waiting for their FREE medicine as any.
S_T_M is quite a joker. Only this isn't too funny. Pelosi and company thinking they are going to pull the wool over everyone's eyes …. now that is funny.
Next Tuesday is first time for us to be heard. Even if its not a national election go to your polls. Lets show some numbers now. STart sending a message now.
2010 VOTE EM OUT.. Elections have consequences
A kiss? This is full on carnal knowledge.
Watch me use "the troops" as a political prop! I'm a Democat-so it's A-OK!
AND IF I TYPE IN ALL CAPS I SEEM SMARTER TOO!
you idiot…wounded veterans ARE covered. They receive healthcare. It was your "savior" Obama that wanted to take that away from them about 6 months ago. Probably didn't hear that on MSNBC though, right? He wanted to require wounded war veterans to obtain private insurance so they could save 15 Billion bucks to pay for this monstrosity!
The evidence that says that malpractice suits drive costs up is tricky.
Doctors practicing "defensive medicine" by doing unnecessary things (which drives up costs) won't actually have any impact on their liability for malpractice. They do it anyway because they think it will. Medmal suit-related costs could be pretty easily offset by simply educating doctors about the legal meaning of malpractice, and what will and will not lead to liability.
Besides, those damages caps don't really put a dent in costs. Texas implemented caps in (I think) 2003, and malpractice insurance premiums went up double digits the next year. The insurers came back to the legislature with their tails between their legs and had to admit that medmal caps only saved about 1% of their costs. Oops.
Wow…that's funny! Let's see….who controls the house, the senate, the white house? Who has controlled the house for the last 7 years? Maybe you should retake civics class?
Yes we can…wretch our guts out over angst that all of this socialist hypocrisy is creating for us taxpayers who are the ones footing the bill for Washington's excess.
Just remember, it is about reducing the profits of insurance companies. It is not about limiting the income of trial lawyers, the ones that have made this country as great as it is. If it wasn’t for trial lawyers, we would be living in caves and running down our food.
Veterans already get coverage when they return home through the Office of Veteran's Affairs (the "VA"). But don't take my word for it. Read and educate yourself: http://www.military.com/benefits/veterans-health-...
what a c@#$
We have the 2010 election upcoming. For those we don't remove there we can always exercise our 2nd Amendment Right.
"Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius!"
The difference twain you an me, you find your Latin at google.
Since we can't declare war on terrorists, perhaps we can declare war on Trial Lawyers.
Why dont you get educated on a subject, before you post your liberal Drool.
Question
For your mental health, you need about six months of truth serum from FOX NEWS!
Pelosi is evil
These people are selling you all out……….and you love it! You keep voting for them and hoping for "freebies", but it winds up costing you twice as much and you don't even realize that it's the government that is really getting all the money! Have you ever bought a lottery ticket hoping to win millions? It's funny – the Government wins every week – every Big Drawing – and they never even bought a ticket………………………bozos.
America voted. American decided that YES WE CAN. Stand in the way of PROGRESS and we will REMOVE YOU. BY FORCE if required. Don't FORGET. THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE BRAINS OF THIS COUNTRY. Without US, where would YOU BE? MCSAME, ADOLPH BECK, AND RUSH LAUGHABLE and their band of CRONY REPUBLICANTS are trying to HIJACK THIS GREAT COUNTRY. You DONT LIKE AMERICA? STEP OUT, GO BACK TO ALASKA, SUCEDE and sit around PRAYING WITH YOUR GREAT LEADER PALIN.
This IS GETTING REAL
Tell Congress to stuff this bill back in the corrupt, tyranny loving, pea-size brain of Pelosi.
Fax your reps for Free, upload letters for others to use, start an email campaign or petition at:
http://www.QuestionObama.com/activism-center
GET ACTIVE!
Pelosi has never run a business, never had to actually balance a budget, never had to work in the real world. But never mind all that. She's got a solution and she'd like to give it a try with just a trillion in help from all of us. Never mind that the trial lawyers get to keep getting rich. Never mind that conservative ideas haven't been listened to. America is history unless we stop this liberal shell game.
You are kidding… or you are a trial lawyer!
For S T M : Heil Hitler, er, Heil Obama, to you too! DemocRATS are Nazis. Obamacare is a fascist scheme to control the American people. And oh, by-the-way, it is interesting how the black Hitler, Obama, sees to it that his scrawny brats get the H1N1 vaccine, but about 270 million Americans can’t get it. Typical of fascists everywhere: take care of your own and screw the rest. Say, I’ll just be that little fascist-communist George Soros got the H1N1 vaccine,too, along with the Omama brats, and the crooked Mayor Daley. As Winter comes on and cases of H1N1 rise, Obama and his health nazis will use that crises to force his fascist Obamacare on the American people, as is; “Form two lines — those on the left get to go to the doctor (Hello, Dr. Josef Mengele); those on the right get to go to the camps. God save us from the black Nazi Obama.
In a country of so many nationalities and ethnic groups, each unwilling to bow to a common Western originated national culture and ethos, the lawyers are the lubricating system that causes each group to assail the other. The lawyers are also the lubricant for the greed that people have when faced with the possibility of making a lot of money from a professional's mistake, above and beyond the patient financial needs, i.e. pain and suffering. The lawyers are also the product of a humanities bachelor degree, which is notorious for developing idealism favoring the "disadvantaged" which in itself is the political tool of the Democratic Party. Pelosi is simply following what she was taught and what she believes to the entire country's disadvantage.
Nancy Pelosi kinds of reminds me of a turtle… you know a tortless!
Like Geekmom, I live in the alternate universe ruled by Boxer and Feinstein. They simply don't care unless you are a maladjusted trannie looking to have someone pay for your hormone therapy. I'm done with this nonsense. It's time for the folks who work 10 hours a day, pay their taxes, hire folks and quietly raise their families to THROW THESE PATHETIC BUMS OUT and block their further destruction of our country. Change…what a pathetic joke!
Yeah, the right to practice medical malpractice is embedded in the Constitution. How dare we punish doctors who are now gods in our secular world? How dare we deny large pharma the ability to dump risky drugs on the market at top dollar. The Constitution guarantess these people the right to kill and maime others.
Just say “No.” [As in, “No, we do not have a plan, but we all do have great health insurance paid for by the American people.”
If you passed a law requiring mandatory arbitration then everything would be fine. You haven’t capped either damages or fees.
Our returning American Heroes needs jobs too….and now they come back to massive unemployment because people like Obama and Barney frank forced banks to make loans to people that couldn't afford them and it crashed the whole system. I am thinking of our troops when I don't support this bill…..I'm thinking they should be pulled out of Iraq and Afghanistan and repositioned on the US southern border to keep people who are "ILLEGAL ALIENS" (That's "UNDOCUMENTED AMERICANS" to you S_T_M) from coming into this country and getting on the dole…………people like you make me sick – but I have insurance cuz I work – so I can go to the DR.
I have heard that quote before. You are talking apples and oranges, Zach. Malpractice premiums are not directly tied to all money saved in the administration of health care. The market is made by a third party.
You have a right to your health, but nobody is born with the entitlement that anybody should take care of them, or take care of anything for them…if you believe otherwise, then please, feel free to finance the whole thing yourself and take your hand off my wallet and my opportunity to succeed.
That you, or anyone else I don't know continues to exist leaves no positive impact on my life. There is a line of freeloaders in the US waiting to populate the world with another in your place. Actually they are populating it right now.
Yes republicans are ruining this country, but so are the democrats, CONGRESS is ruining this country. The troops have health coverage. Leader Obama? please
it is a generally accepted truth that lawyers represent the best society has to offer, let me tell you…
Wow, I mean WOW!!!
Is anyone else tired of what this Pelosi led Congress has been doing for the past 3 years?
Fear not Constitution lovers; the 2010 election cycle is right around the corner. Reid will be gone from office and Pelosi will no longer be Speaker and her and her ilk will be the minority party again.
The best way to reduce health care costs is to kill all the lawyers!
This is why they tried so hard to keep anyone from reading it before the vote.
you know what they say- if 'con' is the opposite of 'pro', then congress must be the opposite of progress.
S T M is an illegal immigrant, don’t pay any attention to his comments.
This Bill is 1,900 pages long and Pelosi has fiqured out there are 1,900 ways to screw the Tax Payer.
Actually, just remove "a kiss" from the sentence………"Blowing" sums up both the bill and the action the Speaker is trying to perform on the trial lawyers.
Pelosi continually gets away with this sort of deceitful subterfuge because her voting constitutency is made up of leftwing wackoids who don't care about the consequences of their own selfishness.
And she is appaently too stupid to understand any of it.
Tricare and VA benefits
Rachel,
feel free to move to Venezuela. The oppressive thing about a liberal is is that their vote actually takes away freedoms from an individual other than him/herself to suit an end they think is appropriate, because they are enlightened, they know what is best for the collective…
I don't want to be part of any collective with you.
Excellent site!
You are a walking talking example of all the things that are wrong with PUBLIC education.
Many Doctors are paid by the number of procedures they perform. Is it possible that some of them recommend tests so that can charge more and not because of malpractice…it is just a thought.
Hey stupid – you have obviously never served in the armed forces. If they come back with a "pre-existing condition" they are considered "service-connected" and covered FOR LIFE by the VA health care system. I think it has worked that way since Lincoln was President – keep reading and eventually you'll catch up.
PS If you don't like the VA (the original government-provided health care) then why do you want the rest of us to get something similar.
A lib. i know was complaining about how the disabilities act makes it hard on small businesses, and the frivolous lawsuits and what not, so i told him the trial lawyers were the biggest contributors to his democratic heros, didnt seem to bother him. Libs are incapable of self analysis of their contradictory ideology because they are so vain and could never be wrong. Conservatism has some schizophrenic aspects too such as support of the death penalty on the one hand and anti-abortion. Libs support abortion but are against the death penalty. The difference being libs have no problem killing the innocent and conservatives dont have a problem serving the ultimate punishment to someone who is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Though I did not agree with Newt Gingrich's extreme position of death penalty for drug dealers.
Here is what the New York Times had to say about the impact of malpractice caps in 2007
Four years after Texas voters approved a constitutional amendment limiting awards in medical malpractice lawsuits, doctors are responding as supporters predicted, arriving from all parts of the country to swell the ranks of specialists at Texas hospitals and bring professional health care to some long-underserved rural areas.
The influx, raising the state’s abysmally low ranking in physicians per capita, has flooded the medical board’s offices in Austin with applications for licenses, close to 2,500 at last count.
….
But the article isnt all positive, they also say that "some critics, including liability lawyers, question whether the changes have left patients more vulnerable"
But they follow that with this statement which makes it look like malpractice costs did not go up.
" With doctors facing reduced malpractice exposure, they say, many have cut back on their insurance, making it harder for plaintiffs to collect damages."
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/05/us/05doctors.ht...
Our soldiers have government provided healthcare you moron…(which sucks by the way) if you want to know how bad it is support the Pelosi bill and you too can have crappy heathcare!!!
Have you ever seen such arrogence by our “leaders”? This must be the biggest middle finger salute to well over half the country I’ve ever witnessed. Al we can do is make them pay in a year from now. Or, put so much pressure on them now that their phone lines melt.
STM? STFU!
She looks like the singer from Aerosmith, Tyler, not quite as attractive though.
well, that's some consolation, I guess
Nancy is just making sure John Edwards will be able to pay child support for his love child. Trial lawyers aren't worth a bucket of luke warm p
I've got my magazines loaded with ammo and my guns are clean – when this government comes to violate my 2nd Amendment Right ..
You da' man Capn… That is an astute statement…… and asyouknow…Jefferson was right !!!
the republicans need a leader to step forward and save the country from the left.
Rachel,
you should see how the collective does in a world without doctors.
One word – PATHETIC !!!!!
Come on, we all knew there was pork barrel stuff in there for special interests. Hey Nancy, how does it feel to be the most hated woman in America?
STM – get off the drugs dude.
the liberals have no limits to the ways they will screw America
FU LIBERALS
FU LIBERALS
FU LIBERALS
PELOSI IS A DANGER FOR THIS COUNTRY, JUST LOOK AT CALIFORNIA OR NOT LOOK.
Well …Dems have to pay back lawyers for their support – financial and otherwise. Since Texas limits amounts of lawsuits on doctors, I guess we would be excluded. As if we care – except we will have to pay for the privelege.
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Agreed.
Although, a more accurate description would likely be a little too X-rated.
…In any case, I think everyone here gets the idea.
Recent fact checking headlines in the Associated Press state that… “Health insurers posted a 2.2 percent profit margin last year, placing them 35th of 53 industries on the Fortune 500 list.”
I wonder what a typical trial lawyer’s profit margin might be… after “congressional expenses” of course.
What a crock of craaaaap STD…returning vets have the already existing healthcare vehicle called the Veteran Affairs Administration….are you a yo yo?
You are more than an idiot. You are like most of the infection in this country that needs to be terminated! What is STM? Stupid, Thoughtless, Moron ???
Wrong on both counts
1) Can't speak for Texas but since Mississippi around 2006 put in caps our premiums have dropped 10 – 15% each year (and will again for 2010). The rush to file suits the day before the new law took effect was comical. Once there was a cap there was suddenly no malpractice, at least as far as the plaintiffs' attorneys were concerned. No 33% of a fortune for them, no need to file all those papers. Therefore our malpractice carrier (a mutual organization that the insured parties actually own) doesn't have to pay too many lawyers to defend against suits, cutting costs substantially.
2) I learned as an intern that if someone wrote a recommendation in a chart you were bound to follow it, no matter how idiotic and unnecessary it seemed. If a CT scan seemed normal someone would recommend an MRI scan. When I asked "what do you expect to see on an MRI that wouldn't have been seen on the CT scan?" I never got an answer. However, I was told that IF (a big "IF") there was something there that could be seen on an MRI but not a CT, and IF (a second big "IF") this was later discovered, then I could get sued for not diagnosing it earlier. "How would you like to explain to a jury that an "expert" had recommended this 2 years ago and you ignored them then?" So all these unnecessary tests get done so my kids' college fund stays secure from hypothetical and highly improbable scenarios. That's the reality.
For Pelosi her affair may have started with a kiss. For S T M is that Pelosi’s closest relative, or did they just crawl out from under a rock?
Remove us? who is us? by force? really,that is a nice sensible response to a difference of opinion. Which is what this country was founded on. Why do liberals, just attack speech, and ignore, facts. STM I love America the way it is, or was. I do not want socialism,government intervention. If you like what they are proposing,why don't you go to England, France, Europe, then you will find out how well you have it here.
Idiots like you are what will ruin the country. Tax the "rich" until there are no rich to tax… then how do you pay for all your socialist programs? If the liberals are so smart, maybe they could figure this one out…The liberals have no brains!
MORON…PLAIN AND SIMPLE!
So anyone who is for this, please answer this question for me . . . because I truly don't know the answer. Who in the world is going to want to practice medicine after this? Honestly, I think the entire Washington, D. C. is nothing more than a cesspool at this point!
Another Democratic gift to the blood sucking lawyers. This is one issue even my liberal friends don't dispute and yet the core Dems will not listen to their constituents.
Can the American public be spit in the face any by Pelosi more clearly? If this does not inspire millions of letters and calls to your reps you deserve the horrendous consquences
Its hard work to extract Gold from a mountain. So just have the mountain come to you.
If memory serves me right… this looks like a similar plot that happened years ago to the Tobacco industries… "Reform.!. Reform! ..Those horrible people in the tobacco industry… to the tune of an extorted check to the political pundits to the tune of 2 billion… if I recall….that money was to go to health care….. hmmmmm where did it go? Pensions. .. I can only imagine how fast…both parties are scurrying to find a vault big enough for the Flood of cash coming in from Lucrative MEDICAL lobby Cha…ching…$$$. As ALWAYS….. Follow the money trail….
If they gave 2 craps about health care. OR YOU for that matter… they would go after the billions lost to Medicare fraud… Hey they can’t even run a "Cash for Clunkers Program". And the Katrina.. Mess OYE!..
Doesn’t anyone remember.. the old adage.. “I’m from the Government and I’m here to Help You” is really suppose to be a joke..
As Jackie Mason once said.. “Politicians. Should be checked for STD’s.. Because you cant Screw that many people and not catch something”
I would LOVE TO SEE the politicians.. feel the same things Americans are feeling… Lets Layoff.. 10% of the Politicians.. Lets give the rest a 30% pay cut with no cost of living.. do they even comprehend the cost to live.. nowadays.
Oh.. and if they are REALLY…IN-to .. the Wars…lets put a few of their children . on the front lines.. of afghanistan.
Here’s another Idea.
Get people back to WORK…. So they can afford health care.
So this is just another Attorney Employment Act? There are simply too many lawyers in congress.
As a practicing physician I am not the least bit surprised by this. I have said all along that this is nothing but a government takeover. There will be a response by physicians to the bill if passed as it is clear they think we don't care if we are government puppets who will work for free and will bend over and enjoy it. Doctors everywhere except in academia will have a response.
Anyone who would deliberately try to pass this off on our citizens ought to be brought to trial for sedition.
The Founders would be looking for the nearest tree. This is exactly what they feared most. Pelosi and her ilk are domestic enemies of the Republic……
One big giant F…Y.. to America — that's what this bill is!!
Zach, seems your facts are screwed up royally. Stop reading from Huffington Post blogs dude.
Big deal, you know how to say yes we can in Latin; you're still a suck-ass socialist.
You pathetic creature. I risked life and limb to keep a domino from falling in southeast asia and now you A-holes are turning my country into a house of cards. Eat sh*t and die!
DUM ASS, they are given health care. EVERY veterean of EVERY generation has health care through the Veteran's Administration, are you dense boy? Does mama know you are on the computer talking to big people?
AND green house gasses!
I agree its to Early!….. bur some one needs to start making a LIST.. lol
thank god our savior Obama is in office… he will make America the proud nation that all other countries love…
Dems won't address tort reform because lawyers are a large part of their voter base. Dems are not concerned about what's best for the country but rather what's best for their political careers. Unconscionable and treasonble behavior.
My Doctor regrets he became a Doctor because of the way insurance companies jerk him around and tell him what he can and cannot do. Guess it will be about the same if the government gets involved.
I hear all of you posters complaining about the health care bill, GREAT!!! Get off of the computer and protest. Get ten friends and have them get ten friends and so on an pickett in front of a democratic reps office nearest you!! Then start a drive in your community to have a national strike in front of the nearest SEIU or Acorn facility. I am tired of seeing posters express outrage but do nothing. Pelosi and her minyans just gave you the middle finger and you are going to do nothing but complain on a message board. WAKE UP!!!
You must be a lawyer. I am a doctor and can tell you that defensive medicine is real and has a big effect on health care cost, and also does protect doctors from liability in many instances. Untold dollars are wasted each year in our ER's from the ordering of tests for protective measures.
For example, a 20 year old female comes in with pelvic pain, just started this morning. The vast majority of these patients have a ruptured ovarian cyst or other benign process. Unless they have indications of infection, to treat them symptomatically and instruct them to return if pain persists or worsens is the most efficient and cost effective. What do we do to protect ourselves from the tiny chance of something more sinister going on? We order a CT or ultrasound, thousands of dollars wasted.
Also, I have personally experienced a lowering of malpractice premiums when caps are instituted.
I'm afraid you are either ignorant of the facts or a typical "leech on society" lawyer.
The military have an expression for this kind of mess: "FUBAR!, which means "Fouled Up Beyond All Recognition". Only the "F" doesn't really stand for "Fouled".
She is a reflection of the idiots who put her in office. Fruits n nuts n flakes, all of them.
I love that, and agree wholeheartedly.
All we need is a leader!
What i dont get from guys like this is, they HAVE places to go if they want to that are very liberal and very socialized. They have France, Germany, the UK, Venezuela, Canada, etc. Where do us conservatives have to go? Because i would absolutely be working on a plan to get there if there was another place on earth that valued ingenuity, self reliance, independence, and personal responsibility. Not to mention the ability to come from literally nothing and become incredibly powerful and rich. There is no other place in the world and that is because of capitalism and freedom that we have that they are trying to take away for some unknown reason. If you dont like freedom thats awesome have a blast with it but dont force it on us, just move to where the socialism is.
This health care bill is a partisan bag of goodies for special interests wrapped in legal blur.
Hey stupid – I can't think like an imbecile, but I believe the word you're grasping for is "secede" – see my last reply to one of your trollisms where I cited Lincoln – he knew all about it.
capn jack, it's never to early!
I do. The pain and grief suffered by parents of young kids and young adults who have died of drug overdoses supplied by a drug dealer who considers his clientele as mere prey is absolutely horrific. These people have absolutely no conscience whatsoever.
The headline could be reduced to seven words.
We need to save ourselves from these crooks – re-elect no one in 2010.
But not a very bright thought – the Stark Amendment has been around for 30 years or so and forbids doctors from ordering tests from any facility where they have a financial interest. So order 1 test or 100, there's still no money going to the doctor who ordered it/them.
[...] will punish states that limit trial lawyers’ winnings. Capital Confidential reported this at Big Government: Section 2531, entitled “Medical Liability Alternatives,” establishes an incentive program for [...]
Are you joking? Another war started with a lie. We lost. What domino fell? Go back to hiding your gun you think is going to be taken away from you. If you need help hiding it, ive got a good place for you. Moron
democrats are all about spreading the wealth. But isnt it the american dream to come and become wealthy because of hard work, determination and heart. but why should millions pay for the lazy leeches of the country that would rather spend money on their cars, clothes and big tv's. so what if the economy is down, there are still tons of jobs out there. and its true, immigrants(illegal or not) take advantage of it and strive. so i should be paying for a drug addicts rehab when in all fact he/she will be right back the next month. I HATE THE DEMS ON THE HILL.
Trial lawyers in medical malpractice lawsuits require they get paid from 35 percent to 50 percent of what they win for a client. PLUS all expenses, of course. The Democrats protect the lawyers in this corrupt racket, and in turn the lawyers give the Democrats a slice of the winnings. It's a two-way protection racket and it drives up the cost of medical care enormously. Don't expect the Pelosi and Reid and Shumer and Durbin and others of such ilk to give up this Golden Goose just to help the general public. But rest assured, God will deal with them
I sure hope you're right and are leading the "physician surge."
Wow. That was a bad one.
S_T_M,
To prevent you from looking childish or just maybe slow minded I wanted to let you know you CAPS were on. Just a friendly note wanted to help save you for it appears you need it.
It's not just doctors that need relief from lawsuits, but medical equipment makers have huge liability insurance costs because if something goes wrong, the lawyers go after not just the doctors but the equipment manufacturers, and the companies that make parts that are used in the equipment and anyone else remotely connected.
These costs are all past on to the consumer.
We also have to force hospitals and clinics to make available the doctors records to potential patients so that bad doctors are driven out of business.
You're so right, buddy. And it needs to come from someone other than Eric Cantor or that other softball from Minnesota(name escapes me—-see? Forgettable nambie pambies). We need someone that is dynamic and a TRUE conservative. Bobby Jindal fits the bill. John Boehner is very likeable. STEVE KING- he is the real deal. Conservative and fearless(re: his go with Roger Goodell, NFL Commish. at house hearings). Another giant is Jim DeMint from South Carolina. Smart as a whip and truly conservative.
CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN.
This is nothing compared to the CLIMATE CHANGE BILL OBAMA IS GOING TO SIGN WHICH ESSENTIALLY WILL PUNISH THE US AND MAKE US FORK OVER MONEY TO WORLDWIDE NATIONS.
that's a jump
While there is no one that denies there is a need for reform, why the extreme government takeover? There are many problems with this bill as written. If you step back though and simply look at the numbers – we are going to spend by the best estimates $800 billion to cover an additional 5-6% of the population. By the CBO's estimates there will still be uninsured. One question – why? There are many good alternatives which would cost the government very little. One would be to take away the insurance monopoly exemptions and allow national coverage. This would increase the liability pool and in theory decrease rates. The other scenerio would be to have the government subsidize a catastrophic injury pool. This would allow insurance companies to divulge themselves of the most costly cases and allow people who have catastrophic illness to actually get coverage.
STM is a perfect example of the left. Can’t make a good arguement so lets trash the other side.
Hey news flash STM your side HAS the power. There is nothing the GOP can do to stop anything the left wants to pass. So whats the problem?? Oh let me guess they aren’t unified without Bush to run against or may be they are worried about passing this with the elections coming up??
Everyone seems to agree on a couple of points. We DO need health care reform and NO ONE wants a goverment take over of health care. Why is it for the left the goverment is the ONLY solution to a problem. Are they so p@$$y whipped they can’t take care of themselves?? They need a nanny to wipe their noses. Grow a pair an look to yourself to take care of you. I will continue as I always have and I will take care of me and my family. I DON”T NEED THE GOVERMENT TO DO THAT. Quit trying to grap MY money I EARN.
In the final analysis, the bill does nothing to decrease health care costs (and in fact arguable increases costs with excess taxes and fees on medical device and pharmaceutical provdiers which get passed on to the consumer), does nothing to take care of the expenses of people who must file bankruptcy for medical conditions not because of medical bills but because they can't work and therefore can't pay their other bills, and does nothing to improve the lives of the primary care physician (recent AMA study shows 60% of primary care physicians are looking for another job and 50% do not take Medicare – a government program). Let's look at ways that would work, not just have the government take over health care which doesn't.
http://911essentials.com says Nancy the Nazi is the face of everything wrong with America in 2009.
Why do we put up with this moron?
I call bullshit. "a law on the books" is not statutory language. You are quoting from something else. Maybe a commentary to the bill, I don't know. But NO CHANCE the statutory language reads as you have quoted.
Can someone please provide a link to this section of the Bill? There is no way in hell the language quoted would be used. I worked in the legislature and "if that state puts a law on the books" is not legal language. There is quite enough in this usurpation of power from the people to hope it goes down in flames and becomes an albatross around liberals necks for years to come without making things up.
All the while this odious administration presses to dictate executive salaries.
The hypocrisy from this excrement is beyond measure.
Can all of you posters tell me when you are going to stop posting and actually do something about it? Please? When are you going to call in sick and stage a mass protest in front of your democratic reps office? When are you going to strike in front of SEIU and Acorn? When these jokers start to see this type of action, then the Comrades Plans will start to fail. So are you going to do something or sit on your computer or TV and scream and bitch???? Tell Me what are you going to do??????I
What planet is this liberal robot from<?
wouldn't it be wonderful if I could attach future earnings to when I reattach 4 fingers…
but I can't fathom that, the lawyers are just doing more good!!!
Time for the "silent majority" to be silent no more. Call, email, fax, rally, and when the time comes, we need to vote these statists out of office!
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All the while this odious administration presses to dictate executive salaries.
The hypocrisy from this excrement is beyond measure.
Listen, I'm a doctor at a major metro hospital. Actually even Chief of Medicine. I'd say we fully order about 1/3 of all tests, etc. to avoid potential lawsuits. Want to cut the healthcare bill buy 33% and still have 95% of the benefit? Give us some meaningful tort reform and watch what happens. Anybody telling you anything else is full of it. I'll tell you something else, unrelated to money directly… fully 2/3 of the time we spend on "patient care" is actually doing paperwork to document what we did to AVOID LAWSUITS later! So not only would tort reform lead to lower costs, but we would also have more time to do what we want to do which is TAKE CARE OF PATIENTS and not secretarial work!!!!! I know I'm "on the front lines" so to speak. Call and or write your congressman about this crap before its too late.
Hey STM (stupid tactless marxist) you and your ilk dont have the balls to remove anyone from this country, especially by force, you gutless wonder. And it'll be you and your kind that will be getting the boot next time around . Then you can "yes we can" your asses all the way to Venezuela. And by the way, it's spelled secede, you imbecile.
Hey. jack.. watch what you say… because you can now be prosecuted by the Atty General.. for "hate crimes:. thanx to the Bill signed yesterday. by MR.. OB… slipped into the defense.. Bill..? Welcome to the USSA!
you should probably be thanking most of the people on this board for paying for either 1) your assistance, or 2) the programs you want but can't pay for on your own.
if you want something, you buy it. Nobody else should finance your truck, house, food or healthcare.
Life is a privelege. Seize the day, or fall by the wayside.
One wonders if the Dem leadership expects to live to see the 2010 election cycle?
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Caps on damages are unconstitutional. Let's not forget about the 7th Amendment. If damages are capped, then profits should be also, but they're not. Doctors are responsible for medical malpractice, not lawyers.
Look on the bright side, all trial lawyers will be looking for work once eveyone is on the gov’t healthcare plan, as you cannot sue the gov’t.
Good God!! Did the democrats not learn anything from the 9-12 Tea Party or the Town Hall meetings this summer?
I encourage everyone to just read that new political thriller just out & read about a small town that finally stands up to federal tyranny & ends up starting the 2nd American Revolution (A Time To Stand by Oliver). It will show what is coming nxt to America.
These politicians are forcing big govt. on us & the book shows what’s coming nxt. They no longer represent the voter….they now represent only big govt. They must be stopped now!! just read the book….it’s powerful & about common citizens just like you & me.
http://www.booksbyoliver.com
Unfortunately the lawyers are loosing site of true malpractice reform. Most tort reform caps NON-ECONOMIC damages. This means the amount given for pain and suffering. If you have suffered true medical malpractice, you can still get what you lost because of the malpractice, you just can't get rich off of it anymore. Most states don't go far enough though. Many cases of questionable malpractice get settled for $100,000 to $300,000 because it can easily cost $100,000 – $250,000 just to defend a suit that goes to court and results in a verdict for the doctor. True reform would put an end to these nuisance suits as well.
The dealer didnt intend to kill the drug user, he wants them to stay alive so he can keep making money. A drug dealer who deals hard drugs is a criminal and shoulld be prosecuted, but not killed by the govt., come on.
"Tort reform" is plutocratic Republican code for letting doctors and hospitals butcher patients without cost or consequence. This provision is the right thing to do despite the abuses of some medical malpractice attorneys. The lawsuit is the last protection of the common man against the forces of wealth and influence arrayed against him. Access to the courts and redress of grievances should never be limited, as the limitations will always favor the rich and powerful to further their abuse of privilege. As much as I despise Pelosi, this provision is the right thing to do.
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maybe i'm missing something, but your disrespect would have me teach you a very significant lesson if i ever bumped into you.
How can we organize.? I propose a bloodless revolution. Let's give the Left everything they want and extract ourselves from their grasp. They can have all the blue states north of the northern border (or close to that) of Viginia, W Virginia, Kentucky, Misssouri, and east of the eastern border Nebraska and the Dakotas. We should probably wrest the west coast from the Left as it's simply to complicated to Pakistanize our continent.
For all of your information, we have hade a goverment run heath paln sience 1945. It's call medicare! 60+ years and were still not socialist. Grow up. Heathcare should be a right for every american. Even the poor. Do you think jesus would have denied a muslim medical attention just because he had a belief.
Our Military will come with us. The Left has no military force, will, or organization, but they are trecherous and unpatriotic and may recruit help from China or Russia. Therefore each citizen must be armed and the AK-47 is the reasonable econmic answer. Force, not violence should be used. And in this day of the computer a Craig's List style exchange of real estate could be executed. Those who choose to move north or south may do so. We must require some to move north in violation of our own ideals (those of the Founders) in order to reestablish the Republic. We will have to round up nonconservatives, the unpatriotic, the vitriolically antichristian or antirepublican and hold appropriate negotiation with each that may well end in their relocation. We will have to expell, contain or put under surveillance Arabs and adherents to Islam. Illigals will have to become legal or leave.These must all be temporary measures. (If Mexico can be absorbed as part of the Republic it should be.) We will have to hold new nonautomated elections. We need to set up a new site for the Central government and Texas the seat of much independent spirit might be appropriate. We should keep the Constitution
Isn't this a SCAM against the lawyers also? How will the lawyers be able to sue the government once they take over?
First: The bill is designed to destroy private sector health insurance and health management. One way among the many is apparently to have the lawyer damage fees sky-rocket and bankrupt the insurance companies. But then afterwards, the government takes over, and there won't be any more private companies to insure. So if anyone wants to be a trial lawyer, they better get rich fast, because it won't last long.
What did you folks think was going to happen? When we have more lawyers than citizens running the country. How about when politics became a career rather than a service. It is time to purge the lifers out of CON-gress. Do you know that the August recess was more for politicians of the 19th century to go home and harvest that it is for our current CON-gress to campaign.
We should keep the Constitution; when followed it works darn well. Terms must be limited to two. No money or other favor should ever reach these representatives, and these should be honorary esteemed positions, subject to much petition from inidvidual citizens. A universal sales tax should probably replace the income tax. In time Liberalia will probably be absorbed into Canada—not our concern.
It would be most appropriate if these neo-liberal journalist would write an article empasizing the political connectivity between the Healthcare industry and which "so-called" misleading Democrat(i.e., Pelosi, Towns, Waters, Hoyer, Franks, and Clyburn, etc.) that received significant campaign funds from. Finally, the "political skirt" needs to be lifted in order to show the public mass how criminal they are and should be escorted off of Capitol Hill immediately.
Remember when Obama said his administration was open to tort reform to reduce the cost of health care? Well, as with most things about Obama and company, you can't believe what they say, you must always look at what they do. This House Bill is tort reform in REVERSE!!!
What? No extra incentive for attorneys to file more lawsuits, or a guaranteed payout to lawyers filing 100 or more lawsuits a year? What a rip off!
failing to shoot democrats. The new Un-American activity.
I'll see you at the next tea bagging party
Uass, what does Jesus have anything to do with a sovereign people not wanting a government take over? This has nothing to do with Medicare. It is about a government run amok.
and its the reason that healthcare waste is as pervasive as it is. repeal any provision that limits antitrust provision against insurance companies–>real cost savings.
and furthermore, i don't buy that anything is a right beyond the right to take care of oneself. its sounds like you are a freeloader and i would say that whatever you may bring to society in your own right could easily be brought to society by the next freeloader in line. if you want to save them all, then go about doing it yourself. don't sign anyone up who doesn't believe in it.
This is the tort reform Obama had in mind.
No doubt you're at teabagging parties every night.
because that is the aim of doctors and hospitals…to butcher patients. you must be one of the good guys, huh?
In 60 days Congress could really help turn this country around just by doing ONE thing that almost every citizen actually wants them to do. It would reduce the deficit, reduce health care costs by 25%, create, (not save!), millions of jobs, make massive decreases in federal, state and local costs and give us a little HOPE that our government can actually do something right for a change. What is that you ask? Deport all the illegals along with their anchor babies – they are all CRIMINALS who do not belong here. Send them BACK to wherever they came from and let them try to suck on the resources of their home countries' government – NOT OURS.
Democrats in Congress are all CROOKS !
dito!
I fear you are very wrong, and am not willing to entrust congress to do this. They way underestimated costs that would be accrued by medicare after its inception. I like part 2 of your post, but the last thing the entire country needs is a new entitlement program. People have to fend for themselves. We don't pass babies from tit to tit here.
Factoid – Over 90% of PAC money from the American Trial Lawyers Association goes to re-electing democrats
S T M —-
Et agricola portabat aliud absum! C’est merde!
This is a prize example of congressional double-speak! It's time to clean house and should start with Pelosi! We may not be able to vote her out of congress because we don't all live in her district. However, we can replace enough congressmen to either give the house to ABD (anyone but a democrat) or change enough dems that they would not re-elect her as their leader! Let your voice be heard.
The people get the shaft again… Is this the change you were promised??? Of course the media in the bag for Obama will keep the public in the dark about this. When will the people rise up and take back the government that has become "for the Party" instead of for the people ? Of course when the middle class is flat busted, at least the politicians and trial lawyers will be able to laugh all the way to the bank.
Cowboy, cowboy, cowboy….. Now you know I have been very spot on in my assessments of the effects on the electorate regarding this health care debacle…..politically speaking… I, too, am so thoroughly disgusted with Congress' total lack of consideration of the publics wishes for this bill to vaporize. I STILL believe there are a few patriots among the treasonous many that will thwart passage in the House and in the Senate. External actions also have consequences. By that I mean…
NEXT TUESDAY'S ELECTIONS ! The snowball will either melt or gain collosal momentum ! My guess is that it will swell dramatically and head straight to Washington…to freeze out these cold hearted anti-American traitors.
Yes, and guess who is a Big Fat Trial Lawyer……..Steny Hoyer!
And it's publicly provided. Ooops, err…
Yay I'm a republican, yay bring back bubble land! Free to get overcharged!
It's good to see another hilarious website devoted exculsively to Rightwing D-baggary.
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The military have an expression for things like this so-called health care bill(s). "FUBAR", which means "Fouled Up Beyond All Recognition", only the "F" stands for another word.
They are cover under the VA Government run health care
ANOTHER IRONY ! For those of you who do not vote because you think it does not matter…. May I remind you of the disasterous consequences of the presidential election of 2008 ? Elections HAVE consequences.
GET OUT AND VOTE IN 2010. Your country needs you….. NOW more than ever before….. Please !
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We could save the entire health care cost if we just made it a crime
You could have just stopped at "Pelosi Health Care Bill Blows"
WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!!!!!! THE dems need socialized meds so they will be able to keep what they already have. If this program is so good as part of the legislation lets make them have the same program they want to dump on us as their healthcare program or no go……….
So here's the deal. States like Texas have imposed tort-reform measures. In Texas, these measures include caps on non-economic damages like pain and suffering, etc. Not surprisingly, Texas has enjoyed an increasing number of top-notch health-care practitioners. So while the trial lawyers have definitely taken a hit, Texans in general have got access to some really great health care. Shouldn't the rest of the country follow Texas's lead? Instead, we get this apparent turd of a bill.
Can Texas secede yet? Yes we can!
That is actually untrue – I practice medicine and Texas and my malpractice premiums have gone DOWN EVERY YEAR since tort reforms were passed in our state. They are still going down. I am not sure where you received this misinformation.
CATCH 22 all over again
if Texas does secede, I am headed for that fine republic
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You conservatives are as inconsistent as they get. Do you or do you not want government imposing regulations on citizens? Because imposing caps on damages and attorneys fees is just ONE MORE governmental regulation imposed on the people. Pick on or the other, peeps.
No they won't as most of them are Federal workers , union workers, and school teachers who are exempt from this stupid mess that the rest of us are going to be stuck with!
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Texas Medical Liability Trust, the state's largest provider of medical malpractice insurance, says it will reduce rates for new policyholders by 5 percent starting Jan. 1, 2006, and pay an "unprecedented" $10 million in dividends to 2005 policyholders.
That's in addition to two previous rate cuts — 12 percent in 2004 and 5 percent earlier this year — that Texas Medical Liability Trust gave after the Legislature passed the tort-reform measure.
American Physicians Insurance Exchange announced a 13 percent rate decrease — the second in just six months — Aug. 16. The exchange gave 2,200 Texas doctors an average 5 percent cut in February.
Dr. Bob Gunby, a Dallas obstetrician-gynecologist who is president of the Austin-based Texas Medical Association, says he's seen his medical malpractice insurance premium drop from a high of $47,000 a year "when there was a peak in the crisis" to $33,000 now.
http://austin.bizjournals.com/austin/stories/2005...
I guess you're right…Tort reform has been a miserable failure.
I don't think there's any room in your ass, with your head in there.
you make something of a valid point, here, to my chagrin; however, the conservative stance can be reconciled in that conservatives believe that people should be rewarded for that which they actually produce that is of benefit to society, i think.
and people shouldn't get something for nothing.
In the year prior to the Texas Legislature's 2003 tort reform, CHRISTUS Health spent $153 million in liability defense payments in medical malpractice lawsuits. Last year, its lawsuit-expense payments totaled only $2.3 million.
Source: http://www.mysanantonio.com/opinion/Medical_liabi...
Guess the fact that Texas economy has survived the economic challenges better than most and doctors are moving here by the droves to practice, is not acceptable behavior for Pelosi. Free market reforms just don't aling with being the all powerful people in charge. I thought it unreasonable when he said it, but maybe Governor Perry was on to something when he said "succession" was an option.
I agree – a purge – a'la Stalin – maybe Conservatives should adopt his tactics.
Section 2531, entitled “Medical Liability Alternatives,” establishes an incentive program for states to adopt and implement alternatives to medical liability litigation. [But]…… a state is not eligible for the incentive payments if that state puts a law on the books that limits attorneys’ fees or imposes caps on damages.
just ONE of 1.5 TRILLION reasons this BULL$HIT HAS TO BE DEFEATED !
Caps on non-economic damages were implemented in California in 1975. MY premiums went from $35, 00 per year to about $6,000 per year and stayed there 30 years. Zach B is a liar. Or is that spelled lawyer ?
The concern I have is that the Dems can push this through and we can't unwind the damage even with throwing the bums out. Need to throw the Republican bums out too.
Nice to see you guys can actually get information from another source other than FOX.
Just one the MANY TREATS in this piece of crap socialist deathcare bill for Dem donors and criminal lobbyists.
May they all do hard time at a penitentiary inconvienient from their millionaire spouses.
You are an idiot. The only punishment a doctor should receive if he is negligent and has a bad outcome is to have his/her license yanked. Sometimes there are bad outcomes through no one's fault. Why should a doctor have his/her livelihood taken from them? It is like a great big lotto!
Well . . .we will just have to agree to disagree. The drug dealer knows exactly the risks involved, and eventually the addiction will lead to death. I've witnessed first-hand the horror.
many, many, many lawsuits are settled out of court to avoid the cost of litigating, even when they have no merit. this is more the enemy than penalizing a flagrantly irresponsible physician when someone suffers dearly for it, which in fact is actually palatable. the lawyer shouldn't get 35% though. the job isn't worth that and it is a squeeze game.
if that is fair, the next emergency that i see will have me collect on someone's life savings, instead of according to a government "suggested" fee schedule
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She's not blowing a kiss to them, she is just blowing them,
How fast people forget about the past.
"We have now presided over the largest increase in the size of government since the Great Society," said Sen. John McCain, the Republican candidate vying to replace Mr. Bush in the White house.That, in fact, was an understatement. No president since FDR — who offered a New Deal to pull the nation out of the Great Depression and then fought World War II — has presided over as rapid a growth in government when measured as a percentage of the total economy.
And now comes the Next Deal — the rapid-fire series of programs announced in recent weeks to deal with a global financial crisis that few Americans even understand. It has begun with a decision to use $700 billion in taxpayer money to buy up financial assets and take an ownership stake in the nation's largest banks As a result, Mr. Bush already is the first president in history to implement budgets that crossed the $2 trillion a year and $3 trillion a year marks. His final budget, which comes to an end Sept. 30, conceivably could near $4 trillion, depending on the final tab for the financial rescue.
Mr. Bush campaigned in 2000 on a pledge to reduce the size of government, continuing a trend that had been under way since the end of the Cold War.
Most of you voted for him. Don't try to hide it.
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She' a real cocksucker all right.
Come on people, we really need to wake up and quit blameing everyone else for our own stupity. Someone anyone pleaseee!! tell me what Obama has done in the 9 mos that he's been in office except ((( BE ON T.V. MORE THAN ANY OTHER PRESIDENT: TALKING BUT SAYING ABSOLUTLY NOTHING: NOT HAVING A CLUE ABOUT ANYTHING and WORSE OF ALL TELLING HALF TRUTHS and CHANGES HIS MIND EVERYTIME HE OPENS HIS MOUTH ))). I've talked to soooo many people who voted for him, and now ask *** What in the world was I thinking *** Well when you vote going by commercials, you will not have a clue. YES!!!!!!!!!!!! get out there and VOTE, but please do some research. Do not listen to peoples oppinions. Most have never read or researched anything. Its like playing post office, you tell someone you cut you finger and after its gone through 10 people YOUR DAMN ARM IS GONE. Think about!! So instead of blameing everyone, be a responsible and educated voter. Take a stand, you all say you love this country, then act like you really do. We've always said GOD BLESS AMERICIA************NOW WE NEED TO SAY GOD PRAY FOR AMERICA. Get informed.
It's Tar and Feathers time….
When this debacle gets serious enough (already close to critical mass) & a covert network of communications manifests itself to the point of probable success, I will place my body, soul & life in harms way to protect what our founding fathers left for us. I ain't got much but what I do have always has a clean, well lubricated bore & operating mechanism. The left may call me a 'nut' but I have control of the ratchet.
This is next:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULHHJ62TLG8
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I know from personal experiance, that the only way to change a commie's mind is to turn it into a red mist.
I guess leather face is Sh#^ out of luck for suing ……for her botched botox and plastic face job..This female dog needs to go. WAKE UP SAN FRANCISCO………
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Don't worry–NO ONE has read the full bill yet. I'm sure it's in there!!
The answer to medical malpractice is to do away with TRIALS. Why is a doctor hauled in front of a jury as if he/she committed a crime? A mistake was made. Medical mistakes/ malpractice should NOT be adjudicated rather it should be decided on by a panel of health providers/experts ( docs, RN's etc). You could have a judgement in a month. The typical malpractice case takes FIVE years. It should be about finding out the truth and justice not about the billable hours and lawyers. Plus civilian juries don't even know what they are hearing…why?? CAUSE THEY AREN'T DOCTORS!! Consequently awards are based on emotion or if the doctor was " a meanie" or what the tie the lawyer was wearing. Lawyers are ruining the country…
Women know internally how to save their children and families. They know what it takes to push 9lbs out. This is the day that women, I'm am calling you to get up, get on the phone, and push. If you dont know why than the information you need to know needs to get into your hands, RIGHT NOW. I call it into your hands then. But in the meantime, push back right now.
http://bit.ly/2osPVo
Give a kid an inch, he'll take 12. Give a politician a bite of your chocolate chip cookie and you might as well hand it over. Snatch that cookie out of their hands. RIGHT NOW! The issue…you aren't being heard and it's time they listen.
NAZI PEELOUSY OWES ME A KISS!
I LIKE TO BE KISSED WHEN I'M GETTING F***ED!!
good luck finding a doctor. I'll be out of here.
Don't expect this fool to have a clue as to what you are talking about. Obama and the radical left despise the military and could care less about them or their families.
I'm going to sue Nancy for killing me.
So, we scr$$w the doctors, we take away their ability to make professional decisions via government rules made by people too stupid to make it through med school (ie, lawyers), but we still make sure they can be sued by lawyers for following the rules made by lawyers….only a lawyer could come up with something as moronic as this.
Except for Michelle Bachman and less than a handful of others, yes. It's time for all Americans next November to institute the "Death Panel" for their CONgress vermin!
The more I think about it, ole Bill Shakespeer was right…
Tell you what whomever wants to shoot some of these bastards, you were fishing with me all weekend and we will have photos and recordingsand lots of eyewitnesses to prove it.
S_T_M — I smell a commie! Don't BS me …My ammo is dry and I'm waiting for YOU to try to remove me by force
your an idiot
You, S_T_M have been hiding in the closet and playing with yourself too much. Probably while looking at a picture of the $LUT Nancy. You really need to go seek out a good shrink right away. This Bill will bring on the start of the fall of the Democrazis now or the next American Revolution. Either way you lose.
The Democraps are simply embarrassing. Its like having a bunch of 15 year olds running the country. I've never been so disappointed and disgusted with government. Pelosi is a catastrohpe and the clown in the Whitehouse is like a bad dream.
So the waitress with 2 kids who serves your grand slam to you does not deserve heathcare. Or is she not benefiting your society?
1st in line every day at the pill mill.
STM = Stupid Through Masturbation
I feel strongly that these fast food places along with Italian restaurants and bbq rib shops should be responsible for the weight of those people who frequent these places. I do feel, however, that there should be a cap on damages which they can collect. I think something like 5 times the I.Q. of the attorney representing them would be an adequate amount of compensation. Oh, and the lawyers should be paid the hourly minimum wage same as the fast food workers.
Yes, folks, we do have the 2010 and 12 elections coming up. Let's remember all of these Dem's who are attempting to rape the American taxpayer.
I am beginning to wonder if Congressman Grayson used the right word but for the wrong woman. Pelosi is a joke and an embarassment to America.
I'm positive that was meant to be S_T_D.
signed,
The Republican
Are you nuts? As a disabled veteran, I receive good care through the VA system – not as good as our elected Federal Officials receive but still good.
Healthcare takeover that does not include substantial TORT reform is a fraud from the jump.
How now Mao?
Yea buddy but ken dog sir the founding fathers would have found appropriate trees by now.
When do we fight?
Go choke to death you piece of excrement.
It's government provided and it SUCKS! I carry REAL insurance through work so I do NOT have to go through the bullcrap, the long wait and the antiquated care I receive from the VA.
here's how our president feels about our troops quoted after he tried to force our service people to carry private insurance after leaving the military – of course he was ridiculed to no end and this is his comment.
"Look, it's an all volunteer force," Obama complained. "Nobody made these guys go to war. They had to have known and accepted the risks. Now they whine about bearing the costs of their choice? It doesn't compute.." "I thought these were people who were proud to sacrifice for their country, "Obama continued. "I wasn't asking for blood, just money. With the country facing the worst financial crisis in its history, I'd have thought that the patriotic thing to do would be to try to help reduce the nation's deficit. I guess I underestimated the selfishness of some of my fellow Americans."
2010 and then 2012 can not come fast enough
you are one dumb bastard the hero's returning get their health coverage from the VA numb-nuts and quit the talking points of the extreme left.. the only thing Obama is going to be able to save is his own ass if he gets smeart and stops trying to run the world starting with the United States
We need to do this people. One area that we got our brains beat in the last general election was with the young folks who have been brainwashed by their liberal college professors. We need to start a movement to educate that age group about the tax burden which with they will be left.
To the idiot that started this post by blaming the Republicans, you're right. Partially right. The Dems are the biggest embarassment of my lifetime. Barry, Barbara, Nancy, they'd all look good on Gilligan's Isle! Mr. Dean could play Thurston Howell! What a bunch of buttpuppets! Lies, transparency you can't see thru, the world is laughing at us, not that I give a Hillary.
If a person who is innocent gets put in jail, can he then sue his lawyer for legal malpractice? Our "healthcare" issue is a insurance issue and a tort reform issue. We have the best healthcare in the world. Once again congress is more interested in insider politics. I am in total agreement with Cowboy Logic, this entire process sickens me to the core.
I had a different adjective in mind, but you'rs works ok. STM is a dumbass, sitting on his porch, waiting for the Mail Truck to deliver his unearned Obanana check!
In order to get the government going the right direction you'll need to vote each and every one of them out. The place is a cancer and what do cancer drugs do to red and white blood cells – that's right kill them both and hope the good replace it. That's the only way folks and that will never happen so save your frustration and get on with your life
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Look Lib. If the Red states sucede the Blue states will be starving to death in a matter of a few months. How long can you live on pine needles and acorns? Best part is we will have taken all the guns and real men with us.
As Ross Perot once said, "It's time to clean out the barn!" Pelosi and her gang have worn out their
welcome!
The American tort system is based on English common law (except Louisiana). That's what gives people the right to sue for malpractice. But the American system failed to adopt a key part of the English system — i.e., that loser should pay all legal costs. Thus, you get all the benefits of tort law with none of the risks. Until we adopt the so-called English Rule and force litigants to put a little skin in the game, we will continue to have BS lawsuits mixed in with the meritorious ones. Instead, we get tort-reform measures. It's government intervention all right, but it's better than letting increasingly stupid juries issue increasingly silly damage awards. Adopt the English Rule and it will all go away.
You guys do know this is not about healthcare? The dems aRE JUST TRYING TO DO WHAT THEY DID BACK IN THE 17 AND 1800'S albeit a bigger plantation.
LEADER, you say.Isn't that Fuhrer in German –
Hmmmm. What do you know that we don't?
Lincoln was a republican and he had an uphill battle with the deep south democrats. Please study your history.
Unfortunately we are reliving history because of ignorance of our past.
I didn’t smoke a bunch of weed, fail out of community college, get 3 woman pregnant in 2 years only to have to pay for my own healthcare. Fork it over rich man! Obama is the savior.
Nancy Pelosi sucks and is hellbent on destroying America. She’s a rich bitch with a cross to bear towards anyone and everyone who dares disagree
with her warped view of our country. Give her enough time and she, with the help of that other mental midget, Harry Reid, will reduce our country to
third world status. Don’t laugh folks, we’re almost there.
boggles the mind thinking how much unfairness in legislation like this that has never seen the light of day
then the transparent hussien says, just sign it dont worry
id rather be a radical for america than against
shame on dems, go have a slurpee and watch msnbc you utter fools
your parents, real americans, are ashamed
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Sadly, amnesty exists, its just not going to be law. Amnesty will continue with cities offering sanctuary shelter for illegals. The politicians got scared, just a little, and stopped talking about it, but the problem did not go away. In fact, Obama removed the power of the Sheriff in Arizona I think it was, to do the job that the federal government is unwilling to do. They have also killed the fence bill.
The only way of fixing this problem, is changing congress and the WH. If they don't listen to the people, then they SHOULD be out as well. This is a chance to get sense back into the government. They have been too comfortable, for too long.
Sadly, having a conversation with a friend of mine, he pointed out something that was probably closest to the truth than anything I have heard in a long time. When we scream that the congress has to go, and everyone says it together, the truth is, people say that, until it comes voting time, and they say "its not my congressman, its your congressman" and nothing changes.
These words right here is enough for me to run away from anything this Freaking K Street WHORE has to say (I mean that WHORE commnet in the second meaning) Wow, that does get easy to say.. I kinda like this word WHORE now…
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MARIA BARTIROMO: But- on the tax issue, allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire would essentially be tax increase.
House Speaker NANCY PELOSI: That wasn’t a tax increase. It is- it is- ELIMINATING A TAX-DECREASE that was there. It’s- it was controversial to begin with. It is- a boon to those who have had it for now. But I think that you will see that happen. So- and that is- that affects, what? The upper two percent of our population. What we’re trying to do is lower co- taxes for the middle class, relieve burdens- on business. So that we can be competitive in job creation. And I think you’ll see some interesting things emerge- from the conversations we’re having now.
Hey stupid, the do get coverage for existing conditions, and can always add new ones, its called VETERANS AFFAIRS. How do I know? I am a vet, and disabled due to service injuries. Now, why don't you ask ME about socialized health care? I can tell you how it is, cause I am in treatment for my injuries by the VA. It is good, but very very very slow. And it IS exactly what this congress and president are trying to force on the rest of the population, at considerable cost to the tax payer.
So, if you want to think about the troops, as you claim, then don't support this bill. It will take money from the pockets of those you say you want to protect. We don't need this bill, we already have coverage, so all you will do is take money out of my pocket, for something I don't need. How is that for supporting the troops you claim to be protecting.
Douglas (who was running aganist Lincoln) was a Democrat who wanted to let states decide on if they wanted to keep slavery…..
Hey black America, "How's that voting Democrat the last 40+ years got ya?" Still looks like your in the hood to me where the democratic party wants to keep you buy paying your ass off every month with a check….
Wake up and be proud and fight for your children !!!!
Also, what we have here is a major push to regulate health care because it has allegedly become too expensive for some. If you accept the premise, there's nothing illogical or inconsistent about wanting to keep the "reform" simple and attack a large root cause. Runaway litigation costs are a large root cause that would be very easy to eliminate through tort reform. Perhaps it's not optimal — but it's a hell of a lot more optimal than what this Congress is proposing.
Come back when pay taxes and get through puberty!
Send that $9.12 to Doug Hoffman (NY-23) !!! Come on – United We Stand !!!!! Let him know were here and listening !!!!
Come back when you pay income taxes and get through puberty!
Why am I not surprised? The fix is in — as usual…
No, not too early to shoot them. Not with bullets, but with votes!
this congress is sleezy beyond words.
All I will say is: if any of you morons like STM or other zombies meet me on the street, I will not be reponsible for what I say or do. Your ignorance has pushed all of us Patriots who respect the Constitution to the limit. If you want communism or marxism, get the hell out of this country !!!
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If your dear leader sits on his hands any longer to send our soldier the support they need, they won't have pre-existing conditions. Is that the plan? Is that why dear leader takes our fallen heroes as a photo op but won't listen to his generals?
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Obama dithers on Afghanistan. The “Best and Brightest” surround him
urging this passage of Health “reform”. Our men try to stay alive
with no grounded message and leadership from the WH. Ambiguity sets in,
psyches adapt to survival and Traumatic Stress Disorder silently consumes.
Ahh. Distraction from a necessary decision.
God help us.
You are correct. Our moronic friend has apparently never heard of the VA medical system. Typical leftie. Completely unincombered by the facts.
Oh please, and cry me a river. First, you really need to turn of CAPSLOCK dude. Secondly, our veterans have government healthcare, and it is great….. Every watched Article 99? Notwithstanding anything in any healthcare bill, our heroes will still be covered under the antiquated "government" (military) run healthcare system. Trust you me, you do not want to go to a military hospital for anything! Been there, done that. You are an idiot if you think that anything any government does will be better than anything the free market does.
Unfortunately, our soldiers cannot get coverage in the free market system for their pre-existing conditions. This is true. They are, however covered by the VA for all conditions that are a result of their service to our great nation. This doesn't say much. The VA is wrought with fraud and incompetency. But Nancy's bill (and all of the other health care bills) do nothing to address the VA health insurance issues. At the very most, Nancy's bill transfers the responsibility of caring for our veterans from the public sector to the private sector. Since when is the private sector responsible for what the government does?
Don't get me wrong. I would gladly pay more in taxes if I knew, without a doubt, that my increased tax dollars were going toward the medical care of my heroes. But, sadly, that is not what Nancy Pelosi's bill is all about.
S.T.M. – you are a brainless, non-thinking, obamaite. That you refer to him as "the leader" is the only proof I need. Obama is NOT the second coming. He is not all that and a bag of chips. He is a man. And, as a man, he is flawed. I do think of our troops daily. I pray for our troops daily. If Obama cared anything about our troops, he would have sent reinforcements to Afghanistan months ago. Obama only cares about Obama.
If you really cared about our troops, you would see what Obama is doing to them. He has left our troops in Afghanistan hanging since March. He says that he is "weighing" his decision. It looks to me like he is waiting to make a decision until the decision he want to announce is politically correct. Please don't confuse political correctness with what is right.
Don't worry, There will be lots of nurse practitioners and P.A's to take your place. Lots of lawsuits for the greedy lawyers!
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Follow the money! My guess is that there are a multitude of payoffs to Leftist constituencies in this monstrosity. As the gratuitous lies (promises) come down about the benefits of this disaster, so will the credibility of those that make them. What credibility they have left (so to speak) that is.
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Those that believe that health care can be had for free, or even less expensively if provided by our inefficient government deserve the healthcare they ultimately get. If only we could preserve the good while providing the utopian nightmare to the socialists.
Capping the amount that can be sued for, or imposing limits on lawyers, is not the answer. It's the fair thing to do, sure, and would reduce costs slightly – but the real issue with American liability is people being allowed to sue fraudulently and at no risk to themselves. What we need is a system where people are required to be relatively responsible (suing because you used a product in an obviously wrong manner should get thrown out of court) and honest (suing over something that didn't actually happen should force you to pay all court costs for the defendant). Fix those two issues and you'll see a significant reduction in liability insurance costs, and by extension medical equipment and doctor costs. Drugs will probably remain expensive, but this could be fixed as well by pushing more use of generics and by making it easier to start a drug company (lack of competition and massive government buying has made for a huge amount of bloat).
STM-Our returning American Hero’s have health care and guess what it is the same health care that is being proposed by Congress. A government run system that will fail the same way the current system is failing our troops. I can say this as an active duty military member. I do not know where you get the “preexisitng condition” aspect of your argument because every military member is entitled to military care and is not denied based on some pre-existing condition. The reason the care is questionable is exactly the reason why government should not be in the health care business. The porgram is run based on a spread sheet and the bottom line not based on quality of care. The system current military system cannot support the influx of care being needed because of GWOT (OEF and OIF). Can you imagine what will happen when the government starts to get into the business of taking care of people that are not already pre-screened. i.e. military personnel are pre-screened and have to meet pysical criteria to be let in and continue to meet minimum levels of fitness and health to remain in the military and receive medical care. I can only imagine what will happen when the government starts to deal with the rest of society and the system has to address individuals that have serious long term medical conditions from the get go. The only thing I agree with is to thank the troops.
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UASS – I notice that no one has of yet, had the balls to respond to your idiotic comment. Please, let me be the first.
As for your statement – "another war started with a lie" let me be the first to say that I hope the next war started with a lie is right over the top of your head and that I do not live anywhere near you.
I have yet to understand how anyone in the "free world" is not at the very least intimidated by terrorism. What exactly is the problem? Are you completely ignorant? Or are you just plain stupid? Only in the USA, today, can a citizen be so unaffected by world events. Only in today's society, with the world at our fingertips, can one citizen be so uninformed.
So, usass, you must believe, according to your post, that you achieved the right to post your "free" speech here, on this blog, without the BLOOD of your forefathers. You must believe that your freedom of speech was achieved by divine indifference!"
Give me a break! You are on this website spewing your vile on the blood of our founding fathers. They gave everything so you/we might have the freedom to speak as we feel. They also gave their lives so that we might enjoy the freedom of gun ownership.
I am sorry if that offends you, or if that inspires fear in you as your post seems to indicate. We the People do no need to hide our guns. We have our guns and we are not afraid to use them. However, you and your ilk are not worth it. We will win without guns. We will win on the battlefield of truth and ideas.
Goodbye. You and your ilk are but a memory and a footnote in the history books. Get used to it!
Good one. Overturning our socialist overlords in the ballot box if that is actually possible anymore, going Galt, or lock and loading,one of those realities will unfold before our eyes as time passes.
All Caps is a dead giveaway an idiot is posting.
You do know that more then half of Americans a Conservitives right?
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BULLSH!!!t No wonder they hid in secret. This is unethical and unconstitutional that lawmakers try to force doctors into servitude while passing legislation to pay off lawyers. What about STATES RIGHTS? TX has tort reform and it works!!! This is Big Brother using American citizens as doormats.
OMG i cannot believe you are still here. But since you are, let me give you a few pointers. First, the ALL CAPS thing has got to go. We hear you without it. Second, if you really listened to Hannity, Beck and Limbauugh you would not be spouting the rhetoric you are, and in ALL CAPS at that.
Yes, America voted in 2008. What she voted for remains a subject worthy of discussion. That the Democrats are the brains of this country is laughable at best. No one ideological viewpoint is ever right is the cornerstone of our nation.
As you said: ": MCSAME, ADOLPH BECK, AND RUSH LAUGHABLE and their band of CRONY REPUBLICANTS are trying to HIJACK THIS GREAT COUNTRY"
I find it curious that you feel the need to denigrate the names of John McCan, Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh. Back when I was in high school, these tactics did not work. Why would you think they would work now?
S.T.M. you really need to stop using All CAPS to try and make your point. You also need to get over Sarah Palin. She is just a vehicle. Bye the way – the real spelling Secede.
You aren't a lawyer, I imagine. I am. A defense lawyer, actually. I've never even represented a plaintiff.
And it's a third, not 35% – close, but not the same. And that's not always the case with class actions either. You think a lawyer isn't worth 1/3? Have you any idea what goes into making a case? If you aren't a lawyer, than you probably haven't a clue.
President Obama and Harry Reid, as well as more than one third of those in congress, are lawyers. Always “speaking the truth to power”, Jesus, as recorded by none other than a doctor (see Colossians 4:14), had this to say to lawyers: ‘But He said, “Woe to you, the lawyers also! For you load men with oppressive burdens hard to bear, and you do not personally touch the burdens with one of your fingers.’ (Luke 11:46 – Amplified Bible) Jesus’ words paint a perfect picture of our representatives in the legislative branch. They are trying to dump a 1990 page burden on the American public. Don’t expect them to lift a finger to lighten the public’s load.
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Pelosi is in bed with more than her husband – she is guarding the trial lawyers ability to skim off millions from our health industry for a reason.
I think they are trying to get this thing passed next week !!!! Really???
Call, Email and go visit your local congressional office please !!!!
If what you are trying to say is that more than half of Americans are Conservatives, then no, you'd be wrong. The best poll I've seen has it at 40% (which means if you get every Conservative and lose every non-Conservative that you have a huge landslide loss). That includes people who call themselves Conservative, but other Conservatives would call RINOs (and Conservative Democrats).
Republicans need a serious message that reaches more than half the population. Just playing to the base isn't enough (unless that part of the message reaches across to Independents and Moderates as well). This is a great opportunity for them because of how Left Congress and the President have gone. People want to hear someone stand up for principles, even if they aren't in 100% lock-step agreement. What they don't want are platitudes designed to win elections from people we already know won't live by when they're elected.
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I hear great things about Paul Ryan from Wisconsin as well. Thad McCotter isn't a 100% Conservative, but is an outstanding ambassador for the party. I know he's unpopular at the moment, but Newt is the best at going into hostile media territory and taking their arguments apart with a smile. There are a lot of people who could emerge (including Palin, if she's gotten her act together). Jindal is my personal favorite, but he's just so young. After Obama flames out, I have the feeling America isn't going to be in the mood to elect someone even younger.
To bad all the stupid people who voted for Obama-n-friends didnt ask what kind of changes would be IMPOSED on us. All the Democrooks are lawyers too, they all scratch each others backs.
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I applaud you for that, and accept that much work goes into it. I would imagine you also accept that a physician's job takes a lot of work, and that there is no downtime from the stress. have you any idea what medicare reimburses complex medical care? medicare plus 5? Limit a physcian's earning potential severely, and in doing so, disavow any knowledge of the difficulty in the job? But the lawyers still get their shot at the golden jackpot…something seems awry in that
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I don't think she should have had two kids. I have none because I have not yet been able to afford them myself. While I would feel some sympathy for such a situation, I do not see it as my responsibility to pay for her or her kids. People need to own up. I you are on the public tit, its an immediate Depo-provera shot, or the like for a male. We don't need them procreating. There is an abundance of freeloaders already in the world. People I don't know but who are americans are not any part of a family to me. People like you should pay for them if you are that great a person, but I'll bet you're not; you just want to tell me the type person I should be.
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Everything they're doing on this process is like a slap in the face and a middle finger to the US citizenry for daring to step out of line.
Tar, feathers, pitchfork and torch!!!
Freak
S_T_M You are a moron….therefore, you would deserve that which you have wrought…now choke on it
The citizen are getting angry.
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STM
Boy, you need stump broke………….
Nancy Pelosi will still be able to sue her doctor?
"leach on society lawyer"–a CT scan introduces the radiation of 3-500 chest Xrays. Order lots of them for lawyers and the families of lawyers. Lawyers often make themselves known to ER physicians. They like to scare doctors, they like to throw their weight around. When they come back years later with cancer (for a small child, it's one in 2000 increased chance of getting cancer after a CT within 30 yrs), smirk gruesomely. That's what they want, it's what they said they wanted.
Let them get cancer.
The Democrats are pathetic leftists who are pandering to their Kenyan pretender. Soon we will be rid of these fools and their hapless, incompetent president.
I do. I have a clue.
You're a defense lawyer? WoW! I'm impressed! A defense lawyer at that? What, a public defender?
I'm a businessman, and in thirty-five years, I've hired and fired enough sorry lawyers to fill several busses. I've had a few decent ones also. Lawyers are no different in my realm, than yard boys and dry cleaners. They provide a service, sometimes. A lawyer is simply someone who sees your problems, and for a fee, further creates them. Pure and simple capitalism. They are on about a par with CON-gressmen.
I take it from your earlier post, you're a liberal too, eh? As you make the statement "you conservatives"….
The Med/Malpractice reform was passed in Texas because the Media hyped how it would severly reduce medical insurance for the general public due to lawsuit abuse. Now I'm not a Doctor so If some on here claiming ther med/malpractice insurance has gone down then great for them. Us patients on the other end have seen our insurance premiums increase every year REGARDLESS! My wife is in Education and we get our healthcare through the state(district) – our premiums have increased – coverage decreased and copays have increased more since this law was passed than ever before. The real thing to look at here is that over 220,000 people die in this country every year from admitted medical mistakes NON FRIVALOUS. What most don't take into account is the fact that frivalous lawsuits are almost always thrown out of court or given little awards by smart juries. Sans the old lady with the hot McDonalds coffee accident – most of these types of cases arn't awarded anything.
California has a cap on punitive damages. It has been an essential part in keeping health insurance affordable in that state. I ought to know. I live there. You, Zach, are all wet.
2nd part The real tragedy is having a terrible doctor butcher you or God forbid make a mistake and kill your child — get ready cause your only getting $250,000.00 for your little one. ANYONE OUT THERE THINK YOUR LOVED ONE ISNT WORTH A LITTLE MORE THAN 250K? The second tragedy is you have thousands of half ass qualifed physicians flocking down here to practice sub par medicine. Remember folks (and many have witnessed what I'm saying) anyone can go to school and finally graduate with a degree in something. It doesn't neccessarily make you a great (fill in the blank) — lawyer, mechanic, sales associate, biologist or Doctor. Some people have skills and some people have degrees. Ask a Doctor friend and they'll tell you there are crappy ones in thier profession just like any profession. Im glad to see physicians get a break on thier med insurance but this cap was wrong for Texas wrong for any American. Thank you.
Let the liberals die. I have plenty of money to buy whatever healthcare I need. Rationing will create an "every man for himself" scenario. The poor will get screwed even more than ever. The government will be unable to deal with the black market in health services. They screw up everything they touch anyway. It's only morons and sheep who believe government promises.
Drop dead, marxist.
obama and the Democrats need to be run out of the country. Take your country back by throwing these bums out of office.
Quite frankly, I prefer a 30.06 with a 3-9 variable Swarovski scope.
Sorry, but it would take an incredible Miraculous event to change the leadership of the house and senate. We arent worthy of that kind of miracle. The second the republicans get in, they will show lack of spine and we'll be right back with the crackpots we now have.
This is a non-solution until our government becomes a representative government once again. Article 1 section 2 has the real answer but no one will consider it. Increase the size of the house sevenfold, and you'll have a government that once again is responsive to its people, instead of special interests, lobbyists and the worthless press.
I wonder if the trial lawyers realize that eventually they will lose their ambulance chasing revenue. The audacity of this bill is mind boggling. The statist districts have been so gerrymandered that these radicals are untouchable. However, 82 seats are winnable. The statist majority in the Democratic Party threw everything in. Obama’s telling her she will be remembered as one of the greatest Speakers of the House must have worked. I also believe she was concerned about a primary challenge. The briefing on interrogation tactics made her look like a fool and her constituents might have thought of her less than a full blown statist. The tide is turning on these power mongers. They think they can spend their way out of trouble. They are wrong.
People want to go back to the basics. They want government do the necessities. The House vote will be close but it will pass with blue dogs who support it will get big earmarks. Then Reid who is on his way to defeat is going to have to make a serious choice in the next few weeks. He has decided to go the reconciliation route and lose badly in the election or withstand the President and the statist majority in his party and let the bill be filibustered. The outcome of this battle will determine the magnitude of the 2010 elections. I am ready to helm the phones, walk door to door and spend what little I have left to bring a restoration to the republic. Statists be careful for what you wish for it may just bring about your political demise.
I guess you have to hope the President is incompetent.
sic semper tyrannus
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It is time to wake Washington up.
OK.
Here’s how I understand tort reform. After 3 years of working with Docs and testifying in front of our idiot state legislators (Here in Hawaii) (health and judiciary committees) we are back where we started. Nowhere! For us tort reform (medical liability insurance reform) means capping non-economic damages. Economic damages can be quantified. Non-economic damages are subjective and subject to attorney abuse and jury error and emotion. CAP non-economic damages like Texas did and watch docs come into the state.
NIMBY!!!
90% re-election rate historically. That isn't going to change, American voters are too Stupid and Apathetic to care!
Conservatives would first have to grow a set of Nads and find a Spine. Don't see that happening. I fear the worst is ahead of us!
So they claim!
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It is time to start pinning certain phrases and ideas to Democrats as they have always done to Republicans when they were trying to accomplish certain things in Congress…….write and repeat these often…
"Democrats hate old people and want them to die….Democrats do not want your children to have success and want them to be poor and dependent on the government" The really sad thing is that unlike the Dem charges that Rebulicans wanted children to starve…these are TRUE!
Our medicine will be RATIONED folks. get used to it. fortunately just as many millions of liberals will die waiting for their FREE medicine as any.
YES….
DEMOCRATS HATE OLD PEOPLE AND WANT THEM TO DIE!
DEMOCRATS WANT OUR CHILDREN TO NOT HAVE ANY CHANCE AT SUCCESS AND BE POOR AND DEPENDENT ON THE GOVERNMENT!
Speaking of whores, Alan.
Do Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid fall into the "old" category yet?!
Drink some more Kool Aid, moron.
Like Hillary said," I am an early 1900's progressive", well I am a early 1800's french revolutionary …. Should we warm up the guillotines?
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S T M Does not understand PREEXISTING CONDITIONS. You are quite dumb in fact, preexisting condition means that you can't wait until you get cancer and then try to buy insurance to cover cancer and expect your financial lose to be covered. On the other hand, my wife has a serious disease, when I changed jobs, we had a form letter from the insurance company saying we were covered all that time so coverage of financial lose was extended without question. Most larger companies have open enrollment anyway where preexisting doesn't matter, it doesn't matter because it does not cost the insurance company anything, only the pool of people in the group.
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Enjoy your health care folks because if Congress keeps it up, you may have a "public" health option but you will not have a doctor to see….many of us will quit. Congress will cut my pay and support a pack of trial lawyers who, like buzzards, fly around waiting for any chance to attack, ripe apart and devour me and everything that I have built for my patients and family. People, they are telling you that it is their "responsibility" to "protect" you from your doctor. The bottom like is they could care less about you or me. Congress just wants to make sure that all that lawyer support is still there for the upcoming elections.
Um…No.
What do you think GOT us into this mess in the first place – moving "to the center" That ONLY causes good Conservatism to LOSE. When a Conservative runs AS a Conservative – they WIN. What happened over the last couple decades is a bunch of Lib's switched parties to get on the Republican band-wagon, ran as Conservatives and after one or two re-elections went right back to their Liberal ways – thus the RINO – and LOSSES in the elections because we (and others) WON'T vote for them.
Most ALL people live their personal lives VERY Conservatively – they do, because if they have money in the bank at the end of the month, that means they didn't SPEND more than they MADE (that's a conservative principle by the way). We need someone – like Reagan – who can SHOW them that they need to apply their own Conservative personal life rules to the way they vote. Government needs to do the same thing – not spend more than they take in.
Medicaid reimbursement was cut 9% last week. Medicare is up for a 21% reimbursement cut. If you don't think doctors will quit, ask yourself. Would I study for 14 years, work 100+ hours a week, weekends, holidays and carry a pager 24/7 only to have goverment support a lawyer watching my every move… and to have my salary CUT every year……I promise, the smart ones will quit…the lines will get longer and you will be a number. Do we need health care reform? Absolutely! But we need physicians, nurses, social workers, and patients to reform our health care. Not a bunch of political gurus and lawyers who know nothing about health care, nothing about medicine, and who care only about the next election and the amount of money coming in to support their campaign.
That's one of the other fallacies that's being put forth. We don't need health "care" reform – we have the BEST Health CARE in the WORLD.
The COST has been going up ever since good old Ted "The Swimmer" Kennedy pushed that old bill that starting HMO's. Remember that? Go ahead – do some research. You'll see when the COSTS starting to go up and up and up – and it's right along the lines of MORE gubment involvement and regulations. The more involvement and regulation – the more the price went up.
Will the last sane person to leave the country please turn out the lights. We wouldn’t want to warm the planet, right?
YIKES
I can't wait until 2010, THAT IS WHEN THE PEOPLE WILL HAVE OUR SAY.
You know WE THE PEOPLE.. CONGRESS WILL GET PINK SLIPS and that will be the END of their FREE RIDE.
GOD BLES AMERICA.
P.S. I just don't know what part of NO they just don't understand.
Will someone check to be sure that there’s not a teensy paragraph hidden somewhere in these 2000 pages that suspends elections, disbands the states and declares Obama the Grand Emperor of Americania?
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Do you think drunk drivers should be punished by death, I mean they know the risks, that they could kill someone. Or should the business' that sell alcohol be put to death for alcohol related fatalities. This site is oriented towards curbing the growth and power of govt. and I don't think govt. killing people should be taken lightly. I think Gingrich and you are way out of line.
The elections on Tuesday will be an eye opener for these people in Congress. They want to vote for this kind of garbage, they won't have a job much longer.
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First, I agree with you; that killing people shouldn't at all be taken lightly. Second, I've been connected (be it through family ties) with both situations, and I can tell you that it's not the same . . . regardless of what you may think. There are drunk drivers who are repeat offenders over and over again, where it eventually does result in a fatality or fatalities; they are guily of such reckless disregard that they should be locked away forever (a flaw in our justice system that they should ever be a "repeat" offender). But reckless disregard is not the same as willfully preying on the vulnerable, naive and sometimes even unsuspecting, and getting them hooked on an illegal substance that leads to total destruction. Third, I'll give you the last word, but I won't convince you, and you won't convince me; obviously we are people who live with our convictions. So again, I think we will just have to agree to disagree.
[...] Pelosi Health Care Bill Blows a Kiss to Trial Lawyers Section 2531, entitled “Medical Liability Alternatives,” establishes an incentive program for states to adopt and implement alternatives to medical liability litigation. [But]…… a state is not eligible for the incentive payments if that state puts a law on the books that limits attorneys’ fees or imposes caps on damages. [...]
THE G.O.P. COULDN'T FIND THEIR POSTERIOR WITH THEIR HANDS IN THERE BACK POCKETS. IT'S TIME TO PURGE THEM OUT OF OFFICE. GO CONSERVATIVES!
your an idiot, they have the va!!
I like the term Purge…all of them…Dems and Repubs.
I just feel for the newbies who have to go in and clean up all of the crap that has been done over the past 17 years.
I think the writer has misinterpreted this provision, it's even worse. The federal government plans to give money to states if they find other ways to resolve medical cases, I’m guessing using things such as Arbitration, Mediation and the like as opposed to going to trial in a courtroom. Going to trial costs the state money. They are saying the only thing the states can’t do if they want this money is to limit the fees for the personal injury attorneys, or the amount of the damages they can get.
First of all, the Arbitration/Mediation thing is a whole cottage industry in itself for lawyers and ex-judges. If I remember correctly they used to charge around $300-$500 to hear a case. A case generally lasted about 2-3 hours. If they heard 2 cases a day we’re talking about $1000 a day. How would you like to pull in $5000 a week with little overhead? Each party usually paid ½ for the fee to file arbitration. That fee comes out of the pocket of the insurance company and the client, never from the personal injury attorney – it’s taken from the award after the attorney takes his 1/3 cut if he wins. Most insurance companies don't like to go to Arb or mediation because the Arbitrator will generally "split the baby" and award 50% of what the trial attorney was looking for because they don't want to ruin the chance at future filing fees from either the trial attorney or insurance company.
This is a win/win situation for the trial attorneys and does nothing to address the issue of tort reform.
This is a great plan and will do wonders, as did the clunker program costing $24,000 for each clunker! Government has no success in running large scale programs, e.g. postal service. Disrupting existing plans that insure 85% of America to extend converage to the other 15% for a cost of $1 trillion somehow just doesn't compute, especially when predicated on the notion that it will be funded in great part by reducing fraud by $500 billion in existing programs the government is currently running . Social Security and Medicare are going broke and this will only hasten the process. Stupid is as stupid does. Obamacare miserably fails the smell test.
This is a conservative U.S. Supreme Court and I believe that last April they ruled you can't but a cap on damages against drug companies. Had to to with a woman musican that lost her arm to gangrene after a shot in the arm with an anti nausea drug,
No doubt STM is one of the unproductive members of our society who live off the work and sweat of the rest of us.
Don't see any Leader in sight. Just the same old wishy-washy loser candidates as last time. What we need is another Ronald Reagen!
True, what we need is a 90%" voter turnout." Remember, 1/3 of the Senate is up for Re election also….
B Bishop is so wrong. What value do you place on your child? 250k is not enough so you must have a value in mind. If you want to get rich on a dying kid your sick. The rates in Texas went up the next year because all the ambulance chacers had one more year to file claims. Rates then dropped.
Looks like that's where government is pushing the American People, up against the wall. Heard on radio: Don't invest in Gold, invest in LEAD. (Better hurry before Holder siezes all Ammunition)
"Only the leader Obama . . ." scary crap
Drager – You are so tough with your veiled threats. Democracy with a barrel of a gun has never worked you idiot.
What is the incentive for the State? What does that mean?
It sounds like if you obey their commands, the give you a treat.
It just costs a little freedom.
You are so tough with your veiled threats of gun violence. Democracy through the barrel of a gun is exactly what happens in third world country you idiot.
It's a toss up betweeen the Guillotines or the Gallows…………
Many of the medical equipment companies are in joint ventures with a state university medical school. Taxes them is like taxing the state university. Can the federal government tax a state university.
I can't get the sight of the villagers storming up the hill with torches ablaze from "Frankenstein". This is what the congress has to look forward to if they pull this scam off. And/or the Cap & Trade fiasco. Pelosi is the most arrogant, ignorant woman since Antoinette. Her elitist attitude and disdain for the great majority of the citizens that she works FOR is mind numbing.
Now if we can get doctors to stop killing and crippling patients we'll be in business…
Hmmm…. let;s see, the reason trial lawyers are in court is b/c Insurance companies are being sued for red lining or canceling service b/c it fits their profit line. So when they are caught doing so, they want to limit the attorneys's fees b/c that impacts their million dollar profits as well …. oh, my. Yes, we can change the way insurance companies may millions off the American public all in the good name of health care..
You libs are too stupid to vote, name anything the govenment can run effectively and efficiently? Dont try the military, because they screw that one up all the time too, troops are good rest is bad.
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UASS..your girlfriend said to put a steak on the grill…she is gonna be hungry when she gets home…what??..Oh..she also said to stay out of her panty drawer!
Pelosi's health care reform bill should be renamed "The Full Employment Act for Trial Lawyers for the 21st Century and Beyond." The election of 2010 cannot come soon enough for me. Rita Camp
He has proven his incompetence for the last 9 months. He has spent the country into bankruptcy and achieved nothing else. He is a marxist clown and a race-baiter. He is a complete disgrace and a plague on our country.
Im curious to find out how much TAXPAYER MONEY may have been tossed the way of SOROS, BING,"PROGRESSIVE" INSURANCE, SPEILBERG/GEFFEN/KATZENBERGER, GE AND THE BIG MEDIA MOGULS?
It may end up coming to that. Obama and Piglsoi are communists. Soros is a nut. Commies NEVER have ceded power easily. Keep the powder dry. By the way, I also beleive we should also without payment of our taxes. These b*st*rds cant do without our money.
you obviously have some of the same personal experiences I have with them. They are twisted ,evil, and brain challenged.
Well, I was going to comment on this special little guy's intelligence, but I see that that's already been taken care of adequately. So let's go after his argument. Firstly that the troops aren't taken care of is an admirable cause. The men and women who serve this country deserve absolutely nothing but the best. However they do in fact recieve government provided health care. Which brings me to my next point, socialized health care is crap, by all objective standards. If you never served in the military ask someone who is serving what they think about their military healthcare. And if you did serve, think about just how many jokes were made about the socialized healthcare that you recieved. Think about the wait times, the inefficiency, and just how many times were you given motrin and sent packing, regardless of the affliction. And this brings me to my next point: since when do the Democrats care, at all, about the military.
No Joe-not third world countries-The Phillipines and India are 3rd world countries and I dont see much "democracy thru the barrel of a gun" there. The only places I see "thru the barrel of a gun" are COMMUNIST AND ISLAMIC COUNTRIES.. Try RED CHINA, NORTH KOREA,IRAN,SYRIA, OR VENEZUELA. NONE of those countries qualifies as a "democracy". You can now return to the Daily Commies website and Tell Merkos youve been exposed as a fraud.
And that I believe leads to one of the biggest problems. Democrats hate the military, and so they never served. Since they never served, they never experienced the horros of socialized medicine, as the military is the only place that we have it in this country. Since they never experienced it, they have no problem shoving it down our throats. Lastly, the last two sentences are the most telling of this post. This is not about healthcare. This is about control, and the poster's love for Obama shows his concern for pushing Obama's goal, rather than healthcare. Unfortunately, Obama's goal, as I said is control.
Any bets a black market in medical care would pop up? after all, in most commie countries, the black market is the ONLY thing that thrives.
Nonsense. I hear this claim from Conservatives all the time and it's delusional. Most of the country has SOME Conservative principles, but only 40% self-identifies as Conservatives (and many of those are the "RINOs" you spit on). Facts are the most important thing, and unfortunately many Conservatives choose to ignore them. McCain received very little support from Conservatives (some even claiming the stayed home or voted for Obama out of spite), yet he still received the second most votes ever for a Republican in a down cycle (outperforming local Conservative candidates in almost every district in the country). You can choose to pretend that someone running on an "I'm a Conservative and the rest of you can go to Hell" platform would dominate, but you'd be wrong. Reagan is worshiped by Conservatives, but he was a huge believer in speaking the the Center (and even the Left) and working with them as much as possible without compromising core values.
When people today use the word Conservative, they often mean completely different things. Part of the problem is people are forming alliances without having any idea that they're speaking about different things.
Finally, somebody that gets it!! That is the very reason I left the gutless Rep. party and became an Independent 6 yrs ago!!
What are they teaching in our schools today? Where did you get the idea that Republicans were denying health care to veterans? Haven't you ever heard of the VA? It's been around for a long time – since way before George Bush, who is the root of all e.v.i.l. to you ignorant (meaning unknowing – and not used as an epithet – not that you'd know what that is) and hysterical left-wing idiots.
Our returning American heroes have government run health care through the VA. What they deserve is the kind of quality health care they could get if the government weren't involved. Their health care may be free because it's provided by the government, but that certainly doesn't mean it's good.
And yes, we can, return to a civilized – and republican (not the party) form of government but not until we vote the current president and all of his foot-kissing cronies out of Washington.
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Hey clown, NO WE CAN'T, and NO WE Won't!! The people are going to stop this abortion and next Tuesday is going to be the beginning. Nobama the messiah is going to get his head handed to him and the special elections are gong to be a referendum on his gross incompetence. The rooster is going to become a capon. 2010 is round two, and 2012 is the nail in that empty suit clowns coffin. This health care disaster has nothing to do with the troops, period.
You know, that's what Shakespeare said 400 or so years ago !!!
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I went to see a doctor a few years ago with a minor infection which required a $4 prescription to treat. I had no insurance, and I told him so. He ordered $700 in tests! Nearly all of them had nothing to do with my infection, but I didn’t know it at the time! He wanted to prevent a lawsuit — just in case!
This is the real reason why health insurance costs so much. Nothing will be fixed, and it will only get worse.
Heaven help us!
HOW do we SHUT DOWN the DNC and RNC and take back our country?
Declare them ILLEGAL and mandate that EVERY candidate MUST RUN UNaffiliated to ANY political 'party'!
We were NEVER meant to be dominated by such CORRUPT COLLUSION between these bastards…
[...] to death panels. And if that weren’t repellent enough Pelsoi inserted a provision which would punish state governments who attempt any kind of law suit abuse reform that would impact lawyers fees. I’m sure trial [...]
One more thing. Republicans didn't run on a Fiscally Conservative platform in 2000 and 2004. They ran on Gay Marriage, anti-abortion and immigration reform. They never passed anything that affected any of these corp demos because that's how they were winning elections. While there may be a few who ran on the smaller government platform, most had nothing to say about removing legislation to allow domestic drilling, nuclear plants, building the border fence (or some other comprehensive policy), health care reform, or spending cuts. They got elected by appealing to the Socially Conservative wing, then governed like it. Now that everything is train wrecked (mostly while they were in the driver's seat), people are living a revisionist history about who they voted for and how they were "tricked."
We Americans really shouldn't be complaining this much. We VOTED for Pelosi, Reid and Obama and gave them HUGE majorities in Congress and the White House. We WANTED this. If this is not an example of *be careful what you wish for* I don't know what is.
There is no reason for any insurance provider to deny a veteran coverage due to a preexisting condition that was due to his military service since the VA would be responsible for any care. Typical lies from the loony left!
Obama, Reid, and Pelosi are frightened megalomaniacs. I am a physician and I know what they are aiming for: THE ENSLAVEMENT of all health care professionals. If this was not enough for them now they want the Health care professionals to be SUED without limit for malpractice. If this does not represent trying to squeeze the last dollar out of productive individuals then I don't know what it is. Did the slaves in the old south have to carry their own malpractice insurance with no caps on settlements? Listen, when somebody is a SLAVE they should not be able to be sued for malpractice. I am telling you these Obamacrats are INSANE.
You could go to law school and make a fortune going after 'evil' doctors and be a winner in life's malpractice lottery.
voices of reason…
[...] PDRTJS_settings_193378_post_1032 = { "id" : "193378", "unique_id" : "wp-post-1032", "title" : "Pelosi+Throws+The+Trial+Lawyers+A+Bone", "item_id" : "_post_1032", "permalink" : "http%3A%2F%2Fashevilleteaparty.wordpress.com%2F2009%2F10%2F31%2Fpelosi-throws-the-trial-lawyers-a-bone%2F" } Let’s see the advocates of socialized medicine explain this: Pelosi Health Care Bill Blows a Kiss to Trial Lawyers [...]
I am an anesthesiologist, and starting in 2010, I will be taking a 40% pay cut in my salary. When I read components of this health care bill and all the breaks that insurers, medical device makers, trial lawyers, and pharmaceutical companies, it gives me a sickening feeling…because eventually it will be the health care provider (me) that will bear the brunt of these costs. This is on top of all the across the board Medicare cuts coming in 2010 as well.
America, you know what the next crisis is? Healthcare provider shortage. It has already started, and it will be getting a lot worse. Physicians are people too, and we are reaching the breaking point with the increasing red tape, increasing costs, and poor reimbursements. If I am to be expected to take another 40-50% pay cut on top of what I already have agreed to in 2010 just so that trial lawyers, pharmacaeutical companies, and insurers can continue business as usual, you can forget it. I will leave this profession entirely, and expect a lot of my collegues to leave, too.
very well put. the "jury of one's peers" does not exist in malpractice litigation, as it stands.
Yes ..another war started and lost by the democrats, strangled to death by the Democrat congress, finally ended by…Oh yeah NIXON. The domino, or dominoes in the case were South Vietnam, Cambodia…What was his name..Oh yeah Pol Pot ,another Commie murderer 8 ,10 million…. I forget. Fifty thousand dead heroes resulted from our spineless Democratic congress but how soon you forget.
Meanwhile, Angela Davis visits the current president (lower case) at the White House. I wonder if real estate in Costa Rica is still affordable?
The 2008 election also showed the extreme importance of voting in the primaries. Having McCain win the primaries was what really handed Obama a victory by demoralizing conservatives. Keeping the opposition from voting in the worst candidate of the other side would be a nice thing to put a stop to also.
2010 is indeed going to be the litmus test to see if this disaster can ever be turned around. There needs to be massive turn-over to send a clear message, and hopefully we won't be left with the choice of replacing them with more of the same type of idiots. Even if the alternatives do suck, it's still important to just boot out those currently in office. There has to be a consequence for ignoring the public, otherwise they will continue to do it.
Surely you are not serious. This idiot we have as a pesident couldn't provide waer to a thirsty horse standing beside a river.
And people wonder why we Americans like to own assault weapons
After the doctors accept being civil servants for government protection from 'Big Law,' Big Law will need another target. Who will it be? This area has these red light cameras popping up all over the place. I guess it is all about fleecing somebody of of their money.
Another North Korean idealogue!
We need a tsunami of phone calls to congress, especially the fence sitters. (No need to call Polesi and Reid!)
See website, http://www.protestbyphone.com for their numbers.
I call someone in congress everyday and say no to the madness!
Gee, what a surprise! The Dem's are putting in all the measures that will help keep the costs up and to hell with what 'We the People" want! Throw the bums out!
Spring 2009 – Government says there will plenty of flu vaccine for the coming year
Summer 2009 – Government says there maybe slight delays in getting flu shots to everyone. Focus on children and young mothers. Adults and the elderly have some kind of residual immunity.
Fall 2009 – Severe shortages of flu vaccine. only those at high risk are able to get vaccine.
Government says…. trust us we can provide timely medical care for everyone at lower costs..
"A government big enough to provide everything you need is big enough to take everything you have" TJ
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The caps are an eyesore. The name-calling is worse. The baseless assertions are bot-like. No ideas here. Just bigoted rant.
I am reading that many members of congress are being scrutinezed for ethical violations.
I would like to see all legislation shut down, until all the ethical issues are resolved. It is wrong to have so many people under ethical clouds doing business as usual, where we the American people that they are to serve, are seving a different master.
Personally I would like to see all members of congress with ethical problems put in the stocks, and let people warlk by them and heap the scorn and abuse on them that they deserve, rather then letting them go into plush offices and hide from those that they serve.
And for any member of congress that is found guilty of ethical violations, I would want to see them in jail, and all benefits removed.
As to health care, is this the legislation that Obama wanted done without debate?
What a joke.
No need to blow a kiss when you're in bed with them…lawyers/lawfirms and lobbyists gave over 43 million to O's campaign. (opensecrets.org) The Dem Party is the party of lawyers.
I don't know about the rest of you, but I only see one program that has caused all of our chagrin:
Obama's Stimu-LESS Program !
[...] have its supporters. The trial lawyers, who have been funding the Democrat party for years, are being well taken care of. Now of course being the good Catholic that she is, Nancy is absolutely not going to do anything [...]
Costs associated with med-mal are about 0.5% of the cost of health care. http://factcheck.org/2009/10/malpractice-savings-...
I argue that the cost is justified – it goes toward compensating victims of medical negligence. So yes, this provision is a gift to the trial lawyers but it is also a crucial right for patients.
Tort reform is a gift to insurance companies and HMO's specifically. In a world with no liability for medical errors, HMO bureaucrats can "manage" the care of the Physicians with impunity.
Imposing a cost on negligent medical decisions creates an incentive to place ultimate decision making responsibility with Doctors, because Doctors are best qualified to make those decisions. As a patient, that's the way I want it.
It is stunning how many people have swallowed the Chamber of Commerce lies on Tort Reform. Wake up people, you are not a HMO – you are a patient; you are a plaintiff. Support your interests, support your rights. Demand a system that holds decision makers responsible and support Section 2531.
Sorry. We are talking about NEGLIGENT attorneys and lawsuits. Nobody is saying that we will not support lawsuits for negligence. But today anyone with ANY beef against a doctore, 25 dollars and a shyster lawyer can file a a lawsuit. That costs money. Many countries that even have socialist medicine like you, the libs etc. all want still have tort reform.
Sorry, your Obama anti insurance company tirade as usual is not fact based.
An idiot can not begin to describe you. Stupid, moron, asshat, scumbag, liberal, bloodsucker and a few that describe you.
Early on there was an idea floated by B.O. to foist Veteran's health care on to their private insurance insted of the V.A.
LOOK IT UP AND HAVE A GLASS OF KOOL-AID.
The answer to the trial lawyers is Civil Disobedience. Refuse to pay them when they sue you. Back it up with your 2nd Amendment rights; after all, what it the lawyer going to do except throw a tantrum and wave its papers around. If they persist, take it to DefCon 3. No member of lawyer nation is prepared to fight, they are simply used to bending the system to get what they want. Get the lawyer's government and they banker masters out of your life and you will be much better off.
80,000 die each year from medical 'mistakes.' Why doesn't this get a mention.
Costs associated with med-mal are about 0.5% of the cost of health care. http://factcheck.org/2009/10/malpractice-savings-...
I argue that the cost is justified – it goes toward compensating victims of medical negligence. So yes, this provision is a gift to the trial lawyers but it is also a crucial right for patients.
Tort reform is a gift to insurance companies and HMO's specifically. In a world with no liability for medical errors, HMO bureaucrats can "manage" the care of the Physicians with impunity.
Imposing a cost on negligent medical decisions creates an incentive to place ultimate decision making responsibility with Doctors, because Doctors are best qualified to make those decisions. As a patient, that's the way I want it.
It is stunning how many people have swallowed the Chamber of Commerce lies on Tort Reform. Wake up people, you are not a HMO – you are a patient; you are a plaintiff. Support your interests, support your rights. Demand a system that holds decision makers responsible and support Section 2531.
Costs associated with med-mal are about 0.5% of the cost of health care. http://factcheck.org/2009/10/malpractice-savings-...
I argue that the cost is justified – it goes toward compensating victims of medical negligence. So yes, this provision is a gift to the trial lawyers but it is also a crucial right for patients.
Tort reform is a gift to insurance companies and HMO's specifically. In a world with no liability for medical errors, HMO bureaucrats can "manage" the care of the Physicians with impunity.
Imposing a cost on negligent medical decisions creates an incentive to place ultimate decision making responsibility with Doctors, because Doctors are best qualified to make those decisions. As a patient, that's the way I want it.
It is stunning how many people have swallowed the Chamber of Commerce lies on Tort Reform. Wake up people, you are not a HMO – you are a patient; you are a plaintiff. Support your interests, support your rights. Demand a system that holds decision makers responsible and support Section 2531.
Our democracy was founded on the barrels of guns and has been preserved through the barrels of guns. It will continue to be preserved the same way.
You think this is bad, just wait till you see the abortion, illegal alien, death panels, and rationing portions of this 20 pound piece of crap. The question that remains is: Can we have these idiots extradited back to the states once they flee from the uprising?
What planet are you living on?? Ever hear of the VA? Does STM stand for sexually transmitted moron?????
Scozzafava has backed out of NY's 23rd and the conservative running as an Independent is now favored to win. Once that happens, the writing is on the wall for these idiots!
The real crisis in our healthcare system is that 50% of physicians have stated that they will retire or greatly reduce their patient load if this so called "health care reform" aka Socailzed Medicine takes place. Physicians don't want government dictating how they will treat their patients. My husband is tops in his field and his patients depend on him. He cares deeply for his patients, but he's ready to retire if this insanity passes. I can assure you that he is not alone. Ask your physician what this will really do to your healthcare. Get ready for rationed healthcare. Obama wants to control healthcare. It is just another move towards Socialism.
Now the Democrats have legalized rape.
Zach B.: "Besides, those damages caps don't really put a dent in costs. Texas implemented caps in (I think) 2003, and malpractice insurance premiums went up double digits the next year. The insurers came back to the legislature with their tails between their legs and had to admit that medmal caps only saved about 1% of their costs. Oops."
Pure Crap.
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Excellent post!
What happened? Did Obama make John Edwards the Health Care Czar? It looks like we are emulating Cuba's Health Care. The Mexicans better start building a wall to keep the Americans out!
They are all pieces of shit. I hope that Pelosi never needs a doctor. If so, she can go to one of her malpractice attorney buddies. Soon noone will go into medicine. Obama will have to import J-1s to care for everyone. Good luck.
If true Conservatives ever get in power again, there needs to be a bill that limits the length of these bills to prevent a legislative and constitutional nightmare. Just think, the bill that redesigned the national highway system was something like 28 pages long. There is NO reason for this garbage. Someone should take a match and light it on the House floor.
Exactly, Stewart. When have we EVER seen commies voted out of office? I hope the upcoming elections are still legitimate. If not, ummm…I'll stop right here.
There are exceptions: Michelle Bachmann and my congressman Randy Forbes and a few others who are speaking for conservatives and aren't trying to subvert everything this country stands for and our relatives fought and/or died to protect.
Quick! Go get another sip of Kool Aid!
I am a physician in Texas. 1.) My rates have gone down substantially every year. 2.) I, along with all my colleagues, practice significantly LESS defensive medicine. 3.) In response to B Bishop- you are quite disturbed if you are trying to put any monetary value on a child's life. You obviously do not have any clue as to the meaning of economic vs. non-economic award caps. The "cap" as it is referred to is on the NON-ECONOMIC "Pain & Suffering" award, i.e. the amount that a flamboyant litigator practicing his heart-tugging dog-and-pony show to a "jury of my peers" (laughable in its own right!) to hit the lawsuit lottery (minus 40+% to said lawyer). In the case of a child, various factors are taken into account to estimate the lifetime earning potential of the patient. This is the future ECONOMIC loss. If you and your wife are college educated professionals, it can be argued that your child would be the same and a lifetime earning amount, hence economic loss and award, could be in the millions. Is it a perfect or completely fair system? Of course not. But it at least tries to inject some amount of common sense sanity to the process of determining the "Value" of a true medical error. It also provides a disincentive for the proverbial "ambulance Chaser" trial lawyers to promote the concept of sue all that moves. BTW- as to a jury of my peers- If the unscrupulous trial lawyers lobby is so hell-bent and determined to abolish jury award capitation, then I should be allowed an actual "Jury of my Peers," 12 physicians- my same age and specialty who practice in a similar socioeconomic environment with a similar scope of practice. We could all sit back by a campfire with a blanketand watch as hell freezes over!
Several commenters have remarked that they are getting tired of the debate. Fair enough, but that's exactly what they're waiting for. If you really want to put an end to it, you'll have to keep paying attention and posting comments. Remember, they've waited over 60 years for this, ever since the Truman version got shot down.
William Shakspere had it right about the scum laywers. We need to remove all the scum politicians and Obama from office soon. My buisness is going through a frivalous law suite.
If you thought health care was expensive now wait until it's free.
http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2009/10/30/mich... All freedom loving Americans should be there! Do NOT let your healthcare in the hand's of your government. With love from Canada
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Anti ILLEGAL Immigration IS fiscally responsible.
your opinion isn't wanted if you disagree whether it be from a Democrat or Rep. All politician's consider they are in office because of the party. The problem is so many people keep on voting for them sending the same idiots back to D C. It won't change as long as they listen to special groups instead of citizens. What do we do?Keep right on supporting the trail lawyers, the union thugs or whomever you thibnk represents you.
Oh man…. I like that … LOL
I see the scumbag, pukey, tassle shoe wearing attorneys are at it again. What posses someone to want to be a parasite living off of other peoples woes?? Oh of course it's done under the guise of "helping humanity, protecting the little guy, etc etc". This is such BS, this whole health care thing. I hope the average American realizes what's going on before it's too late. Fortunately, the guys with all the guns and tanks are conservatives for the most part. The standard Army/marine Corps rapid fire "D" target should be changed to one with a dude in a cheap suit and a briefcase.
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YESSS!!!!! I hope he surfaces soon, enough is enough!! Imagine a world without Pelosi types….
What exactly do you think this country is becoming????
Kissus Obamus Pelosi Assus
Congrats to you for pursuing a "legitimate profession" one that truly helps others. I love your "leech on society' description of attorneys. Nothing could be more right on!! They thrive on other people's misery and problems. They lobby for additional, mind boggling laws that are written in language that they only can understand. They become judges and lawmakers which further complicates the issue. The annual increase of new attorneys is truly a population explosion comparable to an infestation of rats or roaches.
PART 1:
Zach,
Clearly you have know idea about the scope of the med mal crisis nationwide.
The sad thing about your position is that it is rooted in nothing but money and greed. Money for a plaintiff and money for his/her lawyer. Your position really has nothing to do with bettering society. You forget that lawyers and lawyers' families are patients too. You forget (or just don't realize) that at some point in your life you will be in need of emergent care. What if that care was not there for you? What if your child falls, hits his head, has a large expanding epidural hematoma ( read: blood in your head) and needs a neurosurgeon immediately? What if there is not a neurosurgeon? Then your child dies or suffers irreparable damage…….all that could be avoided?
Medical mistakes are unfortunate but Docs are human and they make mistakes. They don't hold their license for long if they make too many. If you don't trust a Doc, don't go to him. If you don't trust any Doc, then go to church and pray. Holding a malpractice lawsuit over a Doc's head is like the movie where the criminal on the lam holds a gun to the Doc's head and says "fix me or else" You are just damn lucky that people want to go through all the BS today to enter the medical profession.
PART 2:
I am an ER physician…..and i can tell you first hand what malpractice will cost you.
It is the FEAR of malpractice that drives CYA medicine. Don't tell me or any other physician that you can "educate" us to understand the system better. How pedantic can you be? We understand the system quite well. Everyone of us knows a colleague who has been sued. And everyone of us is aware of the absolute torture that is on that MD's soul. It is torture thinking about the patients, the lawyers, the future of your career, and the future of your family.
It is that FEAR of litigation and the skyrocketing malpractice insurance claims that drives specialist and GOOD physicians out of your states. They don't want to practice in that environment. And do you know what that causes?? NO SPECIALISTS!
PART 3:
So the day that you come to the ED…or one of your family members comes to the ED for care…..and we cannot provide what you need because we don't have the specialist is around the corner. Just ask your friends in some of the worst malpractice suit states.
Tort reform just makes sense. It allows doctors to practice better, efficient, cost-conscious, medicine. No one argues that an injured person should not receive some recourse. But that recourse should be responsible and not cause undue hardship on the medical system as a whole.
We need to insist that anyone we support will work to repeal Healthcare Reform if it does indeed pass. One thing Congress can do, if they are so inclined, is repeal things that are not working or will not work.
OMG This has to be one of the most idiotic statements I have ever read.
screw all Democrats, they are todays traitors!!!!!!!
I disagree this might be good because there are some bogus medicines that are not properly tested.
What they need to do is raise the bar way high for Med School and then send the best and Brightest Scientist types no art students to Med School for free and more of them so they don't have to kill themselves when they get out.
Republican, Democrat…..How about AMERICAN? And you would be wrong about your statistics, my friend. YES, more than half of this country are CONSERVATIVE. Don't believe what you read or hear on the MSM. Propaganda at it's best! (Note I didn't say Republican…I said conservative! There is a BIG difference!) Watch 2010…you'll see………..
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All contracts should be limited to no more than three pages…and written in plain English…laymen terms….Period.
That would take care of a lot of crap!
One major problem to this ignorant line of bull is that our veterans come home and are provided health care via the VA. I know because I am one of them. The VA treats me for anything I go into the clinic for with in 2 weeks of calling. For anything that is not a military related issue, they pass the charge to my employer provided insurance. What ever my insurance doesn't cover, I do. That is the American way. If you want health care, get a job that offers it as an incentive package.
Where is Daniel Shays when you need him?
NO WE CAN'T
davewolfgang… You need to run!
Right on. I believe the flavor is dingleberry.
It's all in the assumptions:
a) We'll have a public option that will pay the same as Medicare, Lets' pretend that Medicare is not already bankrupting the system with below cost payments.
b) We'll cut Medicare reimbursements by 20% since doctors make too much. But wait, only about 25% of medical fees go to doctors, the rest pays for the overhead, the nurses, the people who make the hospital work, supplies, utilities. Thus, doctors will be left with nothing but will work harder to survive.
c) We can not put curbs on legal fees because that would not provide proper incentives to attorneys.
you want to penalize the patient who is injured by the doc's neglect.
Vote them out…But, this govt. will impliment marshal law before 2010…because of the flu issues, the economy, the dollar crashing, a terroist or obama attack…they are tyrants and freaks ready to dominate you for slavery…vote for me and i'll clean ths mess up the ol' fashion way …kick some butt and put em' in the corner…the dunces, freaks and fools on the hill…man i'm tired of this tear down the country b.s. so you can have your power and greed…
This health care bill is a wolf in sheep's clothing. Despite Obama and his minions’ denials and distortions, the current bill is going to fund abortions with public funding, illegal aliens will be covered, over 5 million jobs will be lost in medical and insurance sectors. There are death panels in it. There is NO tort reform in lowering medical expenses. TAXES will be raised as a result of this bill. Our national debt will be raised several trillion dollars because of government controlled health care (those accounting tricks which push a trillion dollars into state accounts are disingenuous and dishonest).
I demand that all congress members oppose this bill in its present form. Yes, we need health care reform, but we do NOT need to do much more harm in its reformation. Lets focus on the basic improvements first, such as allowing insurance companies to compete across state lines, and in reducing malpractice pay-outs to reasonable levels. Lets consolidate, re-organize health care systems so that duplication of tests and information are eliminated.
We can have quality health care reform. Lets work together to have one that benefits our nation, not destroys it.
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The scumbag lawyers are the ones who are having Americans "die quickly". Defensive medicine costs are much greater than you imply. Answer this: Is Alan Grayson pushing for tort reform to "save" American lives? Gee. I guess he forgot that one.
At least there are no surprises in the bill. All is as expected.
How is that "hope and change" working out for you?
4 million people were murdered by the Khmer Rouge, plus all of the people wiped out by the communists. Liberals are dangerous because they don't educate themselves. They say conservatives are the ones that have no intellectual curiosity.
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I'll bet he also knows how to say Hail Caesar who was proclaimed "dictator in perpetuity." His ascent to power was the end for the Roman Republic. I'll bet S_T_M would love to bow down and kiss Obama's feet. Amazing how history repeats itself. S_T_M must stand for, Stupid Twisted Moron!
Does S_T_M stand for Stupid Twisted Moron?
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Two pilots recently lost their licenses for working on their laptops and overflying the airport.
Why is it that when bad doctors hurt people so many people want to protect them. I say that if a bad doctor is forced into bankruptcy by a bid damage award, we are all better off. Let's get bad doctors out of the system.
To use this argument is completely moronic. I am currently in Baqubah, Iraq. I have one hundred percent health coverage. If I become wounded I am fully covered. If my wounds require me to leave the service my coverage follows me. You probably never served so you are talking from ignorance.
! Well, I guess if this passes (aside from my leaving the country after transferring all my assets into non-Central Bank controlled silver) that Californian's health care will sky-rocket. California is one of those few "evil" states to have capped medmal suits…oh, and enjoyed better healthcare for it. But, forget it. I'm an attorney, and this makes ME sick. You want to hate someone, hate the psychotic Trial Lawyers Association and the private misnomered Federal Reserve. Ask yourself why it is that basic monetary theory and fractional reserve lending isn't taught in public schools but taught in private Hebraic schools. Ask yourself why all the Central Banks including the Federal Reserve and the BIS are EXCLUSIVELY Khazar (false, non-mizrhite) Jews. Or, is it not ok to even bring up the truth anymore? Was George Carlin right? Can I not speak the truth? That's right, you can't even speak the truth today…I wonder why?
nelson…doctors are punished by the AMA and do lose their license. The problem with trial lawyers is they use juries. You know, the guys too dumb to get out of jury duty. Juries award millions to people who spill coffee in their crotch.
We have in this country some 1,100,000 lawyers; Great Britain, Germany, and Japan together only about 35,000. How come? In every civilized country the loser in court must automatically pay all the costs of the court and the defendantm both direct and indirect – that's why. Here you can sue and if you lose you just walk away. Trial lawyers like it that way, and also our eco-nazis who have put a number of industries out of business together with many millions of jobs. That and the strong unions forces our industries to outsource. My estimate of a true tort reform would cut the $3 trillion/year cost of our health care by about a third, or one trillion/year; no more frivolous law suits, no more useless defensive medicine tests. I broke my finger and they gave me 24 tests, all totally useless.
More and more Gingrich is accepting the dem/lib premises and assumptions. He may be trying his hand at Clintonian triangulation but that didn't work for Hillary and if anyone remembers, Bill himself never had a majority of votes in either of his elections. Eventually people saw through his attempts to split the difference while professing to support both sides in every debate. Democrats may accept someone relieving himself on their leg while he smiles and shakes their hand but Conservatives won't stand for it.
I COMPLETELY understand your anger but everyone please be careful how you express it. It is already so easy for libs/dems and their friends in the press to malign our movement. We don't need to be shooting ourselves in the foot with what many would interpret as threats of violence.
That you post under the name Freedom! is laughable.
Yes, the veterans do receive public health care. As it turns out, defending the country from external threats is actually a CONSTITUTIONAL function of government. Therefore, one may logically argue that their care should be provided at public expense. It is our moral duty to care for those that secure our liberty.
To provide healthcare, or any other good or service, without any obligation from the recipeint, is akin to slavery, for you are taking the benefits of the labor of one man and giving them arbitrarily to another. If you want public healthcare, why don't you go door to door in your neighborhood and ask your neighbors to donate for that purpose? Instead you are asking the U.S. government, with the intimidating force of the IRS to confiscate your neighbor's wealth so they can distribute it to you. You are asking the government to enrich you while impoverishing your neighbor.
Freedom!, perhaps you should replace that exclamation point with a question mark.
Enough is enough. Through them ALL out. They are ALL liars, looters and thieves. Demand term limits, a balanced budget amendment and the FairTax.
Why is it that when vampiric lawyers want to suck an industry dry, democrats are there to hold down the victim?
We will win on the battlefield of truth and ideas.I wish every American would see it that way. Kids in school should know all about "our Lives, our Fortunes,our Sacred Honor. With love from Canada.
Legitimate elections is the key. The shooting will start soon after it's realized that fair, free elections are no longer possible.
Billy was right, kill all the lawyers, kill them tonight.
(Don Henley)
Shakespeare was ahead of his time…..
New Afghan strategy needed! Pull out all American forces and re-deploy them to Washington to protect the freedoms of the American people!!!!
HEY NUMBNUTS –
THE MILITARY TAKES CARE OF OUR VETERANS AND MYSELF FOR PREEXISTING CONDITIONS THROUGH THE VA. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE REPUBLICANS OR THE 'DEAR LEADER'. GET YOUR DISINFORMATION IN ORDER AND YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR……
Pull all US forces out of Afghanistan and redeploy them to Washington. The mission- protect what remains of our freedoms by whatever means necessary!
Bishop, either you are one of the bottom feeding ambulance chasers yourself or you are one of the sorry citizens who want to keep this system of legalized extortion alive and well in hopes that you can enirch yourself at some point in the future. Both groups are equally destructive to society. America is the only country in the world that allows its citizens and businesses to be pillaged by lawyers and their looting clients, where people can play the legal lotto with no upfront cost or risk. A simple loser-pays system like Europe has would fix a lot of this problem, but our bought-and-paid-for politicians won't let it happen.
S_T_M made a valid point. Why don’t we all just work for the socialist bastards, and give our hard earned money, to the third world conhtries while we’re at it?
Then we can all sit around singing Cum-bay-ya, until they decide what’s good for us.
The point this idiot fails to state, is that these “heroes,” are already covered by the VA.
I am also recieve benefits from the VA, and if you think government health care is the answer, try and see a VA doctor, within two months of your initial phone call.
Fix Medicare, Social Security, and the VA, before I’ll agree to let you sap the few freedoms I have left, under the guise of Socialist Health Care.
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The Insurance cartel continues to push stories with the goal of destroying the rights of persons killed or injured as a result of medical negligence inflicted upon them. The Insurance industry NEEDS to be subject to the US anti trust regulations just as all other businesses are subject to them. Why is the Insurance exempt? Read for yourself…see the McCarren-Ferguson act of 1945…its still governing. Special perks and exemptions for the Insurance cartel is destroying OUR country!!
Pelosi needs to be impeached for her stand with the illegal aliens and her call for openly ignoring our laws. Then when you add the gift to the trail lawyers shes calling for it makes me want to puke! She's the worst type of politain-stupid! self-centered and greedy. Her whole campaign was financed by trail lawyers of course she's going to figh the right reform! It was cost her campaign funds which is nothing more than (supposedly legal) bribes! Pelosi is anti-american, anti-constitution and anti-thinking beyond whatever might get her some money she didn't earn. wake Up America! Impeach this political jackass and keep stupid people like her away from sharp objects and our government!
Ditto
I think people like you should move to france, yup france is good for you
AGREED!!!! Witness November 2008 Election for President. All that America needed to do to see the direction this country would go with Obama was LISTEN to his speeches. How else can one interpret, "We are going to FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE America!"
Agreed!
This sounds like a trial lawyer if I have ever heard one!
Oh so true, M.R.A., oh so true!
http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2009/10/30/mich...
Also, seniors can't be too happy about losing $500 billion.
The first is obvious! What other "preexisting conditoin" do you suffer from???
If you lawyers think you will survive the wrath of Obamakare you are sadly mistaken.
Do you think Obama is going to let you sue the government?
And for you workers' compensation atty's. They will combine workers' compensation with health care for a 24 hour coverage. Just like in Europe!!!
If you lawyers want to keep what you have, this better not pass.
Fools all of you if you believe anything this administration says.
Standby
name one case of a hospital turning someone away because of not having coverage or ability to pay? S_T_M you are an idiot.! You should check yourself in the emergency room for lack of brain function.. i know exactly what would help you, a right hook to the face.. from me! Uass i wish i knew who you are and then we could sit and talk…ooops thats a lie, i would just hit you!
it really is not to early to shoot the bastards. that isthe only way we will ever get this country back.
the solution to health care reform
SHOOT ALL LAWYERS
You dumb ass. Medicare is looking at $68.3 TRILLION in unfunded liabilities through the year 2020. Who in the heck is going to pay for that? Liberals are jaw-droppingly stupid. For the answer as to who will pay for it, think of your children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren, idiot.
As long as the American people keep bending over, that long Congress will keep sticking it in. It's time for another American Revolution, a civil one at the ballot box and in the streets of protest, to get our country back.
You are another quisling who is leading us down the road to enslavement. See if you can find Etienne de la Boetie and see how it will be in your chains.
We need to get rid of these idiots in Congress, a public hanging would be nice!
fact most americans r conservative even with the news media ,holywood,music industry,90% of colledge professors,all liberal douchebags.romney romney romney run it like a buisness.no mcain or palin romney is best solution for this great country
More distortions and misinformation! Why don't the right wing dumbasses start trying to help the American people instead of protecting the special interst groups that are paying them off!
Worst. Radical Leftist Congress and President. Ever.
Wake up, people, before they control every corner of your life.
It's time for a coup.
Correct me if I am wrong, this does not prevent a state from passing a law that makes the lawyer responsible for half of the cost of bringing a suit if the suit is not won.
Here is a fun little scenario for you Doc: A negligent surgeon doesn't take adequate precaution to avoid infection during a routine knee surgery. As a result, the young professional obtains a serious infection and subsequently has his leg amputated above the knee. If the doctor had practiced the appropriate procedures then no infection and, thus, no amputation. The professional can eventually go back to his paper pushing job, avoiding significant economic damages. This young professional will be an amputee the rest of his life, unable to enjoy running in the yard with his kids or the many other pleasures and conveniences of having both of his legs. Recovery for his life-long disability is capped at $250k…
The problem here is that a lawsuit cannot give him his leg back. But the purpose of a lawsuit is to make the harmed "whole;" in other words, return them to the same position they were prior to the negligence. The only means by which to do this is monetary. How much is your leg worth to you? I would guess more than $250k. The result of the cap is that young professional amputee can't find a lawyer to even take his NON-FRIVOLOUS case b/c the expenses and time involved to try a very complicated medical malpractice case isn't worth the 1/3rd contingent fee, so the young professional gets NOTHING for his amputated leg and the negligent doctor gets off without penalty to infect the next unsuspecting patient.
Another person above suggested placing a monetary value on a child was "sick." I guarantee that losing your child to somebody else's negligence would be worth much more than $250k. As I said above, there is nothing that can bring your kid back to life, so assessing a monetary value, as sick as it may seem, is the only means that can (attempt) to make you whole.
The problem with most of the folks on this comment page is that there is a fundamental misunderstanding of the purpose of non-economic damages. The target of legislation should be to limit the types of claims I fight against as a defense attorney, the frivolous claims. Caps only serve as a bar to the non-frivolous claims and protection for negligent doctors.
It is easy for those that don't understand the legal system to target the lawyers due to the, in most cases, undeserved reputation as "ambulance chasers." The next time you are wronged I bet the first call you make is to a lawyer.
C'mon folks…it's the Khazar's runing everything. Look up Pelosi's actually heritage and her husband she is only helping the Sheister lawyers. Time to watch everybody that is a Khazar.
B Bishop you talk with real emotion so I can tell you care about the issue but the problem is your talking with your heart alone and ignoring your head. You need to research what you believe rather than to trying to rationalize it simply from what you've experienced in life because this country is a lot bigger than just your collective of family and friends. I've never heard anyone with an MD say that getting the degree was a cake walk, it's difficult, 3/4's of those who go to college wishing to be a doctor flunk out or change degree programs and that's just after the weed out classes like Microbiology and Organic Chemistry. If you can go to a University enroll in Organic Chemistry, skip all the classes, show up for tests and get an A, you should be a brain surgeon(not everyone has the know how or the discipline to become a medical practicioner, in fact most don't, frauds wouldn't be able to get through the MCATS).
Here is a fun little scenario for you Doc: A negligent surgeon doesn't take adequate precaution to avoid infection during a routine knee surgery. As a result, the young professional obtains a serious infection and subsequently has his leg amputated above the knee. If the doctor had practiced the appropriate procedures then no infection and, thus, no amputation. The professional can eventually go back to his paper pushing job, avoiding significant economic damages. This young professional will be an amputee the rest of his life, unable to enjoy running in the yard with his kids or the many other pleasures and conveniences of having both of his legs. Recovery for his life-long disability is capped at $250k…
The problem here is that a lawsuit cannot give him his leg back. But the purpose of a lawsuit is to make the harmed "whole;" in other words, return them to the same position they were prior to the negligence. The only means by which to do this is monetary. How much is your leg worth to you? I would guess more than $250k. The result of the cap is that young professional amputee can't find a lawyer to even take his NON-FRIVOLOUS case b/c the expenses and time involved to try a very complicated medical malpractice case isn't worth the 1/3rd contingent fee, so the young professional gets NOTHING for his amputated leg and the negligent doctor gets off without penalty to infect the next unsuspecting patient.
Another person above suggested placing a monetary value on a child was "sick." I guarantee that losing your child to somebody else's negligence would be worth much more than $250k. As I said above, there is nothing that can bring your kid back to life, so assessing a monetary value, as sick as it may seem, is the only means that can (attempt) to make you whole.
The problem with most of the folks on this comment page is that there is a fundamental misunderstanding of the purpose of non-economic damages. The target of legislation should be to limit the types of claims I fight against as a defense attorney, the frivolous claims. Caps only serve as a bar to the non-frivolous claims and protection for negligent doctors.
It is easy for those that don't understand the legal system to target the lawyers due to the, in most cases, undeserved reputation as "ambulance chasers." The next time you are wronged I bet the first call you make is to a lawyer.
S_T_M is being facetious. He is trying to prod the rest of you into harassing him.
You got that one right! Some of us were not taken into the Bright Light!!
They are pushing the working folks so that something WILL happen and they can declare an Emergency.
They sure as hell don't vote that way!!
How about the offer of a blindfold in front of a brick wall?
Hmmm. Blowing or sucking?
SAYS WHO!!! Did you ever watch the movie "We were Soldiers"? The Viet Cong officer, when asked what to do with the French captives replied," kill them and they will quit sending more." By the time REAL Americans figure out it's time to shoot, it will be too late! Trust me when I tell you that we face a tough, determined enemy. These guys are playing for keeps and it is high time we follow their lead!
Who cares? " Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war!"
Who do you think? How about being fined for no health insurance? How about the commies telling Americans that if they don't buy broccoli every day, they will be fined? After all, it's PREVENTATIVE! And you lefties better not come back with the " mandatory auto insurance" arguement either. It is NOT mandatory if you don't own a car, like so many of the lefty loons on the east coast could attest, if they were not such inveterate liars and idiots!
Charles, you have adequately displayed your ignorance. If a plaintiff's attorney brings a suit and loses, he gets no money at all, period. Expenses for experts and trial prep are a loss. All of the time it takes to prep for trial, which is significant, was a waste. You assume that plaintiff's attorneys just file claims all willy-nilly without risk. They will not bring a lawsuit unless there is a significant possibility of winning due to the significant risk of losing a lot of time and money. The instances of frivolous claims are grossly overestimated by the ill-informed, such as yourself. Further, there are fees at all levels of litigation to offset some of the cost of litigating a claim.
Proceeding with further penalties, as you suggest, would act as a bar to legitimate lawsuits from those that cannot afford to front the costs of litigation out-of-pocket.
Never too early to hear the sound of FREEDOM!!!
VOTE #45 IN 2012!!
Nice catch 22 – you cant proscribe to better drug or perform the better treatment because the cost limits imposed by a bureaucrat in washington – though only the doctor can get sued becuase of soverign Immunity
….Our government is grossly deceiving the public on the true costs of any of its current health care plans. How could they possibly cover all the “needy & illegals” plus cover pre-existing and current existing serious illnesses without any increase in premiums. Of course the sucker taxpayers, as usual, will be picking up the bill. The four ways it will be paid for is by (1) direct taxes, (2) indirect taxes and fees on medical equipment, services and increased insurance rates, (3) tax credits and/or subsidies and (4) borrowing the money. Where do you think the tax credits or subsidies will come from? The government has no money, so the money, in addition to all of the taxes, has to come from deficit financing, which will be paid by your children and grandchildren.
…..How on earth is the government going to reduce health care costs compared to current costs? They cannot and they most certainly will not. It is pure deception that any Government would be more efficient the private sector. Any proposed savings on health care will have to come from rationing of health care and with a loving ADIOS for Seniors; as is done in all of the other socialized medical care systems. The other source will be all of those direct and hidden taxes. The whole affair is a farce. It is all part of President Obama’s fundamental and basic goal of Wealth Redistribution.
What do you expect. the "Office or the Court" in the White House and " Officers of the Court" in Congress have to protect their own. They and te trial lawers face the Supreme Court every morning and pray: "Oh, Black Robed Lords of darkness; let there be strife that thy follow lawyers will not parish"
When are the people of the US going to learn that pelosi and her gang of thieves are not out for anything but their own self interests.
Look at her face in any photo you see, she is a smug elitist that looks down on the average American as an uneducated stupid moron that doesn't know anything; she and her friends are the anointed ones put here to make sure we don't hurt ourselves.
In her world she will make all of the decisions for all of you stupid little people.
Blowing a kiss is a nice way of putting it. The bill would properly be titled the “Healthcare Destruction and Trial Lawyer Revenue Generation” bill
‘course this is a “gift” for trial lawyers. Obama and the rest of the Dems have their hands so deep in lawyer’s pockets, the can tell what religion they are. Both Obama’s were lawyers, and Michelle Obama worked for an Ambulance-chasing Personal Injury Attorney – before her license to practice was suspended. No way they want tort reform – it’s always “follow the money…”
The Dean quote Des is referring to is linked here:____http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/b...
[...] The Pelosi bill is only posted for a short time and already some of us dumb folks are pouring over it. For example, we know that the word “shall” appears 3,425 times in the 1,990 pages. That is 1.72 times per page. But if that isn’t enough to rile you up, try this from Big Government. [...]
[...] The Pelosi bill is only posted for a short time and already some of us dumb folks are pouring over it. For example, we know that the word “shall” appears 3,425 times in the 1,990 pages. That is 1.72 times per page. But if that isn’t enough to rile you up, try this from Big Government. [...]
I'm an internist for 23 years and have had enough of all this crap. Good luck americans. Next time you need a doctor, call one of these shysters to take care of you. There is no shortage of them thank god. I quit!
Take your jew hating crap somewhere else. Its not their fault a jew beat you up as a child when you picked a fight with one.
Obviously you commentors don't understand the purpose of this wise legislation. It is actually part of Obama's stimulus package. Law school enrollment will increase, thus requiring more classrooms to be built and more professors to be hired. More attorneys will enter the highly revered field of ambulance chasing, with the result that more office space will be leased and more clerical help will be hired. Important too is the economic benefit from more cavier, $300 bottles of wine, cosmetic surgery, yachts, mansions and Porches. The amendent really should be named in honor of Senator John Edwards, one of history's greatest ambulance chasers! GOD SAVE THE REPUBLIC!
"a state is not eligible for the incentive payments if that state puts a law on the books that limits attorneys’ fees or imposes caps on damages."
WOW, SH*T!!! What Country is this????!!!!!….Hidden at the end of the Bill…That figures…
Mike W
Good Article. Love the Site. Take Care.
Mike W
Quit looking a Moabama like you want to screw him! Michelle doesn't like it.
What a headline. Putting 'Pelosi' and 'blow' in the same sentence is enough to make me hurl…
Maobama has already cut a backroom deal with large pharma. They are in the clear to dump all the risky drugs on the market at top dollar. In fact, Maobama is giving them millions of more customers.
Sadly, doctors won't hang around to go to bankruptcy court. They wil just quit if this health care debacle ever passes.
S_T_M.
I know the Obama Administration wants our returning American wounded/disabled to get their own Health Care. However, health care for our returning Vets is supposed to be provided by the VA, first year for everyone and forever for service connected disabilities.. As a disabled Vet, I know the problems of dealing with the VA Bureaucracy. Spend a couple of weeks as a volunteer at a VA hospital, tehn tell me how great Government health care is.
IDIOT! If you don't like it here, please feel free to leave. The USA was founded on the freedom of speech, right to bear arms, freedom to worship as one pleases, and life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Your party has done nothing but encourage people to underachieve in the name of a "free lunch". When you pay people to sit at home, you rob them of their ability to contribute to society. The trouble with Barry's healthcare initiative is that there is no crisis in healthcare. Anything that is worth doing is worth taking the time to do it right. Republicans have the right idea: let the free market competition determine health insurance premiums and limit malpractice lawsuits. You and all the other marxists who are trying to destroy this wonderful country can go back to hell where you came from.
BOTTOM LINE is that the Democrats "say" there are 30-45 UNINSURED people in America. In this number they count those who are ILLEGAL ALIENS, have lost their insurance at ANY time over the past 6 months, and healthy people over the age of 18.
So, if we take out the ILLEGAL ALIENS (which are between 15-30 million) and those who are NOT "uninsured" (i.e. but sometime over the past 6 months were uninsured due to change of job, awaiting benefits, started new job and had to wait 1-3-6 months for coverage, etc) the NET is a few million.
The FINE PRINT is (i.e. Democrats taking over 1/6th of US Economy and insuring ILLEGAL ALIENS who will also get US Citizenship by end of 2010) there will STILL be between 20-30 million people UNINSURED. So the NET result, of these "genius Democrats/Socialists/Communists" are that American Citizens will pay BILLIONS – have their lifes faced with uncertainity – and we will STILL have the same number UNINSURED. ONLY in America – ONLY with this BOBBLE HEADED PRESS – and ACORN and brainwashed by MTV/RAP could ANYONE support this "reform" which accomplishes….NOTHING.
Nuff said.
Democrats that crafted this monstrosity Obamacare don’t think u can sink back into anonymity after you leave office. When it takes affect and we are waiting for care and love ones are dying you will be hunted down like the dogs you are. Do you hear us Reed Pelosi and even blue dogs we’re coming for your asses.
[...] the trial lawyers’ way (speaking of Hillary)? They’ve had a 2,000 page bill written and rewritten specifically to remake the entire health care system for their benefit, but those who actually [...]
How is it that people we elected to work for u…., ignore us, call us raciest, call us right wing radicals and continue to use our money, that we pay to support our country, to put into place a health care reform option that we DO NOT WANT. Never, in my lifetime did I think that we would have in office an administration, Democrate or Replublican, that would insult and ignore the people of the United States like this administration. I agreee with the people on this site….it is time for REFORM….REFORMATION of our goverment as it stands.
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." Thomas Jefferson
People, I am going to say this BOLDLY to you. This part of the bill does not matter ! Who cares !! You know why ?? Because at its core this bill takes the most FUNDEMENTAL socialization step imaginable. Everything else is fluff to get everyone worked up over other things !!
This bill, which extends coverage to 5 – 6% of new Americans (therefore it is NOT a universal health care platform by definition)… FORCES you as an individual to provide health insurance for YOURSELF CONTINUOUSLY throughout the year or you can be taxed 2.5% of your gross salary by the IRS !!! What does the IRS have to do with Universal Health Care ?? So even though it only HELP 5-6% of Americans (per their own documentation) and this is going to be the POOREST part of society which is guaranteed voting base for Dems… it now MANDATES FOR 100% OF US CITIZENS THAT YOU HAVE TO BUY HEALTH INSURANCE. And such tax could easily be raised in the future as all taxes can !!! Forget tort reform right now, this is the core socialization move of the WHOLE BILL. This is not universal free health care this is MANDATORY health care or else for everyone !!!!
Instead of 1/3 of the settlement how about having something like:
*The lower of $150 per hour, or 1/3 of the settlement?
*The advertised per hour rate. (assuming the rate is $150 per hour).
Do you think that would be more fair? In some cases, 1/3 of the settlement could be usurious.
They don't care about health care. They want control over you. You will obey their commands! You shall assimilate! If you don't, you will be punished.
What kind of incentives do attorneys need? You mean they are doing you a favor when they take your case?
What will lawyers do if tort reform passes?
How about the Federal or State Government paying the plaintiff's attorney a stipend if they lose? Might as well have the lawyers under government control like everybody else.
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If you love America and FREEDOM call your Congress and Say NO to this outragous healthcare bill.
This bill is big government takeover of your rights and freedom. Next, Reform Washington and vote out the lifer"s
and anyone who wants steal our liberty and crush our freedom.
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You are a total dumbass
PLEASE EVERYONE BE SURE AND WATCH "SICKO" this is a documentary about the graft and corruption in Americas HMO's, Lawyers, Pharmaceutical Companies, And ALL OF CONGRESS with their Payoff's from the HMO'S and the Pharmaceutical companies that are causing all our problems here in this Great Country. They are turning people out to die because they can not pay. GOD FORBID that this has come to us in America. When Canada, France, England, yes even Cuba treat their Citizens for free.
[...] Medical liability alternative incentives, BUT “a state is not eligible for the incentive payments if that state puts a law on the books that limits attorneys’ fees or imposes caps on damages.” [...]
[...] do y’all like this bit of language from the House bill: “Section 2531, entitled “Medical Liability Alternatives,” establishes an incentive program [...]
First off, this scenario would never happen. Every surgeon knows how to maintain sterility, and does. Infections happen in 2-5% of operations regardless. I'm sure your dumbass would try and prove negligence though, rather than acknowledge probability.
Secondly, do you know how to maintain sterility? How can you sit in judgement?
We have to do things as close to perfectly as possible. From the way we wash our hands on down. You have to call people names and influence some of the dumbest members of society who have the time to sit in a jury box.
That you or anyone like you would collect a portion of damages allocated to a young person for the loss of his leg illustrates how truly bullshit your profession is. See if you could make it through medical shool. The only thing close to comparable is the first year of law school and not even. Even the least competitive med school is more competitive than Yale Law school for entry (by the numbers, not taking into account applicants removeing themselves from the mix)
All freedom loving Americans should go to Washington D.C. Think how your great country was founded. Here is your last chance to protect your freedoms!!!Please check this out!http://wp.me/pbWMK-PI
With love from Canada.
I have tried faxing, calling and writing. The Politicians have canned responses and no matter what you say they respond with the same canned response. If you mention Health Care Bill they sendyou the same anwer to everyone. I am so frustrated with trying to get my opinion to the politicians. They don't care and are going to do what they want no matter how we feel ! ! !
I will never vote for an incumbent again. They are all crooks. They are now trying to play God to us by rationing our medical care especially if we have been able to retire and get medicare. They are increasing aid in the Medicaid sector (to illegals and all their relatives) and taking ours away even though we have paid for it all our lives. I don't thnk we have a chance since it will be completed before the next election ! ! !
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Well isn't that why they make them so gigantic? Who has time to read it? Not even the people we pay to read bills have the time between their coddling of special interests and engaging in immoral activities.
Time for a purge, indeed.
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SI M – YOU POOR SOUL- REPUBLICANS ARE RUINING THIS COUNTRY??? WHAT PLANET ARE YOU ON ?? DON"T YOU WATCH OR READ NEWS?? VETERANS HAVE VERY EXCELLENT HEALTH CARE ALREADY AT OUR VA CLINICS AND OUR VA HOSPITALS – I"VE USE THEM FOR 10 YEARS NOW..
WILEY – demos are turning usa into a socialist 3rd class country
capt jack – WELL, CAPT JACK, THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR WAS FOUGHT AGAINST BIG GOV. AND OUTRAGEOUS TAXES – LOOKS LIKE OVER 200 YEARS LATER IT"S COMMING AGAIN. wiley
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Time to retire the whole ridiculous bunch! Vote them out. ELECTIONS 2010!
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My own personal experience is that big business, big insurers are bad and definately evil (because the dollar is more important than life itself). Government and trial lawyers have come through for me and my wifes, several times now. They rescued us everytime: Give me government ran health care over what we have now everytime.
Typical misleading statement here. Texas malpractice premiums dropped b/c of the tort reform. They may have gone up a year after because of the increase in lawsuits that were pushed through trying to "beat the clock" on the tort reform. I was leaving Texas the year it passed (finished by fellowship there) so I had heard about that effect. Look up the data 3 years after the bill went into effect and you'll see it dropped malpractice premiums.
Whether or not it drops "defensive medicine" costs I'm not sure. I can tell you I order lots of tests I'm 99% sure will be normal to avoid having to answer the question "why didn't you think of that" in a future theoretical lawsuit. Not only do we need to control the huge waste of money our current legal system puts on the practice of medicine but we also need to change the culture for both doctors and patients….let doctors use their training and experience to make the calls.
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Peolosi is an arrogant, botoxed hag who flat-out refuses to hear our voices, Reid just refuses to do anything but ram this junk forward. Frank is just another over-fed and out of touch idiot. Obama has his own agenda and has special interest obligations to the SEIU. He loses health care reform and he loses their support. (boo-hoo!)
Is it any wonder this disaster they call health care reform is working it's way forward? They're NOT working for the citizens who pay their salary, or for the constitution they swore to uphold and defend. When questioned, they don't even know what's even in the Constitutiont!!!
Clearly, they are too arrogant to recognize the correlation between constituent approval ratings and re-election trends, or have no desire to be re-elected. Once their terms are blessedly over, they'll be packing it up and skedaddling it back to their home states with their tails between their legs. But let's make sure this monstrosity is defeated so the new generaltion of legislators won't have to waste time and money cleaning up even bigger messes made by this sad joke of a senate.
The easy solution to this problem of alternatives to tort lawyers and malpractice suits is criminal enforcement.
Playing games with people's lives are not within the scope of government powers, or those of lawyers.
When those alternatives are absolutely guaranteed to work, health care reform is not so big a deal.
Legal and Medical hit and runs are easily solved by criminal enforcement as an absolute for malpractice and negligence. In that light, medical reform may be welcome.
It is about time that change sweeps this nation's health care. It has turned into a big business which has completely lost sight of its primary focus, care. There is so much policy and bureaucracy that there is little in the way of actual care. This could be why we were recently ranked as the 37th best country for health care by the World Health Organization. http://www.ourblook.com/component/option,com_sect...
We need a change and the one we are hopefully soon to get is already bringing about positive outcomes. There is a push to bring preventative care to our system. Groups like the American Cancer Society are pushing to bring smoking cessation treatment mandates to insurance. This is small step, but could have a loud impact.
Cutting costs within the entire medical industry, from law, to medicating is bad for some people, but good for the industry overall and for the future of health care.
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If the damages of a medical mishap equals the worth of the lost function and/or increased pain and suffering, then the worth of the successful medical treatment ought to be the same. If, for instance, medical malpractice results in the loss of a finger, and the award is X dollars, the procedure to repair or save a finger should be equal!
If the Ob-Gyn is sued for 1 million dollars because "malpractice" caused cerebral palsy, the successful delivery of a healthy future lawyer should also be worth 1 million dollars.
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