Korea 60 Years Later: Was My US Marine Dad’s Sacrifice Worth It?
by Brad SchaefferJune 25th is fast approaching and I hope this year, given the international tensions all around us, we pause and consider that it is not just another day but the 60th anniversary of the start of the Korean War.

When the 300,000 troops of the North Korean People’s Army supported by tanks and artillery violently smashed across the 38th parallel to invade and overrun most of the South, they unleashed a conflagration that would grow to be a three year bloodbath pitting the forces of Communism and the Western Democracies against each other for the first time. (It would also be the first time that the nascent United Nations would commit military forces to halt the aggression of one nation against another, showing that the UN must be backed by military will to be effective.) After initial see-saw fighting down to Pusan, then up to the Yalu River after the Inchon landings, and then back down again after the massive Chinese intervention, the fighting settled into a brutal stalemate along a line that eventually would mimic the original pre-war border. When the fighting finally ended in July 1953, the war left in its wake four million military and civilian casualties, including 37,000 American dead and another 100,000 wounded. South Korea’s army would suffer almost 1 million casualties, the other UN nations’ a combined 17,000 as well. An estimated 520,000 North Koreans and another 900,000 Chinese were casualties.
One of the wounded from that war was a young Second Lieutenant Jack Schaeffer from the 1st US Marine Division, my father. In his more reflective moments, usually after a pint or three, he would tell me bits and pieces of what he saw and did there. Needless to say, they were disturbing. And the one thing I believe always went through his mind was this: was the sacrifice made by him and his fellow soldiers worth it?
The answer lies in the contrast between the two nations six decades later. The tragic fact is that every day 23 million North Koreans are forced to endure an horrific existence in what can justifiably be classified a slave state. I will not get into the nitty-gritty of the starvation, exposure, poor health conditions, the physical and mental abuse, the forced labor camps, and general privations these isolated people suffer as this has been well-documented.
When you compare this dismal picture with the vibrant and modern South, the true value of the Allies’ intervention in 1950 reveals itself. I could list all of South Korea’s accomplishments, including its economic prowess, its high standard of living, its relatively free and open society and juxtapose that against the hermit kingdom north of the DMZ but I think this famous satellite photo says it all:
Guess where South Korea ends and North Korea begins?
So here then in black-and-white is the legacy of the US-led military action to stave off flagrant communist aggression and protect a vibrant society so that it could develop unmolested by those in Pyongyang who would like nothing more than to bring the South under their control by force. Like all conflicts, the Korean War had its ugly moments, but the overall value of our actions, and the service we performed for humanity, cannot be denied. There are in fact 48 million people living in sunlight today thanks to men like my father.
The strangely underreported sinking of a South Korean naval ship Cheonan by a Northern vessel in March is but the latest in a series of bizarre tantrums on the part of Kim Jong-il to get noticed. He wants something. But what he wants, no one can say. After all, it’s hard to read the mind of a sexually deviant murdering lunatic. And even if we could, we simply do not wield the military power (or the political will) in the region needed to contain him. The sad reality is that with regards to North Korean affairs, the Chinese call the shots now. And given that Beijing likes having a buffer between Manchuria and the free nations, especially Japan — cynically condemning millions of innocents to hell on earth to protect their selfish aims — do not hold your breath waiting for them to sit on the lillipution miscreant in Pyongyang, or his son and heir, Kim Jong-un, any time soon. So with North Korea, as with so many other rogue states, we find an example of where the rubber of Obama’s sense of his ability to use his charisma as a foreign policy tool, meets the road of the reality that it is a very dangerous world in which not all leaders want what we want… and in fact care little for our way or life or human rights as a whole.
The President seems to operate under an assumption that international conflicts are mere “misunderstandings” and that if we talk just it out, we’ll get back to a harmony that he believes is the natural state between nations. Unfortunately, as the date June 25, 1950 reminds us, history teaches otherwise.
If Mr. Obama remains feckless in the face or Kim’s tiresome threats and provocations, if he fails to stifle their nuclear ambitions, he will join a long succession of ineffectual administrations that spans decades and both political parties. Still I think it is time for the intellectual-in-chief to retire the “yes we can” teleprompter and instead seriously consider the nature of the despots he is trying to engage be they in Pyongyang, Caracas or Teheran. And if he takes anything constructive away from his dealings with any of them, I hope it is a deeper appreciation of the misery that great swaths of the world’s populations would be subjected to without America’s imprint. At least, I would like him to admit just once that no other nation in history has sacrificed so much for the benefit of others.
Maybe the next time he embarks on one of his Apologia Americana tours, Barack Obama might first fly at night over the sprawling city of Seoul with its skyscrapers, bright lights, vibrant colorful streets and teeming masses of free people – and then cast his eyes northward to peer into the dark void in the gloomy distance beyond the DMZ. Perhaps then he may reflect upon the fact that the United States made this contrast possible. That the country whose standard he now bears has done a lot of good in the world. And that six decades ago, proud Americans like Lt. Jack Schaeffer, USMC, bestowed upon the South Koreans a precious gift of freedom and prosperity as their legacy, giving meaning to their grim suffering far from home, in a foreign land, for future generations they would never knew.






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I couldn't believe the title, then I read the article.
Thank you to all who served, I would not have the life I have without the Military protecting me, before I was even born.
Guaranteed when o looks at that picture he is angry that the south is using too many of the worlds resources, while the north just needs some of the south's and he's the one to make that happen.
Excellent article.
Was your Marine Dads sacrifice worth it?
No,
Not with the current state of affairs and the people cdurrently running America.
Every Soldier, Sailor, Airman and Marine who ever gave the ultimate sacrifice, has done so for naught.
THAT, is the level that America has sunk to.
WE, the People have been hijacked. The Constitution has been gutted.
Thank you for this terrific article.
I find that I am getting a little teary-eyed thinking about the sacrifices our troops made.
Without them, I wouldn't be typing this comment right now. My mother might have never survived the invasion, she would never have met my father, and I would never have been born.
To all the courageous U.S. soldiers who served in Korea and all foreign wars, thank you for your honor, bravery, and sacrifice.
God bless and let us pray for a free North Korea within our lifetimes.
God Bless your dear dad. What a brave Marine. As for Obama, about the only thing he reflects on is his image and how he performs before the teleprompters. Otherwise I fear he's just another Kim Jong-un clone.
Thank you for the nice read.
War is never worth it. Especially one fighting against a hobgoblin system of thought internally structured for collapse.
Your father fought for his country. His political leadership failed him, as the current political leadership is failing us.
" . . . Truman said yes to firing General Macarther on the cusp of him pushing a winning strategy to win the Korean war before it cost so many lives; by hitting Chinese routes of supply near the Yalu river, cutting off the North Koreans from the ability to make war. President Truman’s failure would lead to a meat grinder being run not just by the Communist North Koreans, but by the Communist Chinese as well. Truman’s failure also led to the existence of a despotic regime that today possesses nuclear weapons – I wonder how much environmental damage a nuclear war on the Korean peninsula will cause? . . ."
I appreciate your piece, Brad. Just an FYI, in USMC lexicon, Marines are not "soldiers". Marines are Marines. And a "Semper Fi" to your Father.
Remind me never to raise a finger to defend you.
What are you talking about? The Korean war was an offensive war on our part. Not a defensive war.
Its about time fellow conservatives begin to rethink the "do no wrong" mentality they have about our foreign policy and our military. There is a big difference between a national defense and an aggressive foreign policy that finds us constantly intervening and warring around the world.
Cowboy? Always think that a huge ugly storm is followed by a rainbow. Our rainbow will appear soon enough.
Was it worth it? I shudder to think how North Koreans live. I wish more libs realized why. It seems that they just can't grasp the fact that evil exists, probably because if one accepts that evil exists, one also has to reject moral relativism. Their comfortable world will come crashing down in time, and they will have to be rescued once again.
Fools.
Thank you for that comment MS. Thats exactly how I feel. K_M_K obviously does not have a tombstone he visits.
I have family that served in many wars. And what difference does it make if one of them died at war? It wouldn't change a thing about our foreign policy or my stance on it, actually it would probably strengthen exactly what I am saying. Quit using hackneyed emotionalization in your arguments and use logic please.
I guess you don't understand the concepts of "liberty" and "allies". So we started the war by attacking N. Korea? Right…..
Liberty is freeing your citizens from being conscripted in the military to fight and die in a war a half a world away in Korea that will have next to no effect on their lives (other than devastating the families of those who have died), then forcing the American people to pay for it through taxation that could have gone to more productive means. All this just to fulfill the interests of the State, which consistently acts against the best interests of the people to further its own agenda.
Was WWI a defensive war?
Was WWII a defensive war?
Was Vietnam a defensive war?
Is Iraq a defensive war?
Is Afganistan a defensive war?
To stop the spread of pure evil, death, and destruction to innocent human beings; all wars are defensive for the sake of freedom and democracy. Which do you prefer – totalitarian rule or liberty?
It was offensive in the sense that we had no right intervening, yet we did so anyways.
Brad,
I've got $5 on Mr Obama's fecklessness…
" The Korean war was an offensive war on our part. Not a defensive war."
What a fucking ignoramus.
Use facts please.
Oh spare me.
We got involved in WWI at the interest of the Morgan banking elite. Research it, its right there. Or just read The Creature From Jeckyll island, where it is thoroughly documented.
Vietnam was without a doubt an aggressive war, I do not see how you cannot think otherwise. There are serious doubts as to whether the Gulf of Tonkin ever really did happen, and if it did what the hell were we doing there in their territory with our military anyways.
The thought that either Iraq war was not an offensive war is preposterous. We never belinged over there in the first place.
Like I said, you cannot spread freedom by coercing other into freedom. And warring across the world only hurts your cause in the long run,
"meets the road of the reality that it is a very dangerous world in which not all leaders want what we want"
Unfortunately, our leader doesn't want what we want. If Obama did he wouldn't be taking away the American lifestyle by imposing Obamacare, increased spending, bailouts for companies that don't deserve them, etc. The biggest threat to our national security is our own government. November can't get here soon enough.
Awww, I see. If logic applied then your reputation would be out of the negative. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Are you part of the Stormtrooper Alliance by any chance?
P.S. Thanks for the thumbs up. I have been working hard up and down the entire board to pass the love and beat back these idiot trolls. It's sort of like target practice and I aim to hit the bullseye. But truth be known, and as someone mentioned earlier in this thread, I have to agree that arguing with these fools is a lost cause. I'm as guilty as the next person. Ignore them completely and the only thing they'll be hearing is that ringing in their ears, or the tingle up the leg, and soon they'll disperse. However, we can still aim at the bullseye. Maybe they'll end up talking back and forth to each other to provide comic relief. lol
North Korea is literally in the dark ages!
Having lived a year of my life in Korea, 2 uncles who fought in Korea, I have to say yes, it was worth it. We could have done things differently, but as it is the South enjoys a standard of living like few in the North will ever know. I had more than opne old man, or woman vigorously shake my hand with trears flowing and thank me for my service in Korea. They lived through that war, and survived. They deeply appreciate the sacrifice. For them, I say it was worth it. We did what was necessary. Should we have prerssed through to China as MacArthur wanted? (ya, i know he wanted to nuke China into submission) Maybe, the world would sure be different today if we had.
I don't need to read fiction to understand war and the need to wipe out tyranny. Saddam was such a good little shmuck. Spare me is right.
Spare us all. Martin Luther King said something to the effect "If you haven't found something worth dying for, you don't have anything worth living for".
If you're attacked by a mugger, don't call the police. They will probably just assault the poor mugger.
War is never worth it?
K_M_K, circa 1776: Hear that Americans, your independence doesn't warrant an armed conflict, but the British Empire will collapse in a few hundred years, so it's okay.
K_M_K, circa 1861: Hear that black people, you can endure twenty more years of slavery. It's a system bound to collapse, you see…
K_M_K, circa 1950: Sorry South Koreans, you get to be under a communist dictatorship for sixty years, atrophying your economy to a medieval stage and watching bad opera about the time the Gods bowed in reverence to Kim Jong-Il, but it's okay, communism will collapse eventually. You'll only be damning two or three generations to poverty, enslavement and political persecution, tops…
I spent 1965 within artillery range of NK.
I think it's an excellent example of a basic rule of Nature: Only when one side has gotten some good sense beat into them can peace happen. North Korea is collectively dumber than a day old Armadillo.
Go spit on FDR's grave in DC, it'll make you feel better.
It's was FDR's foolish giving away of Eastern Europe to the Communists that created the fifty year Cold War with the USSR, facilitated the communist takeover of Chinese, and of course North Korea and Vietnam.
No it was not worth it, he died for nothing and you have FDR to blame.
I in all truthfulness can't say if any war was worth it….I was just a Navy wife for 21 years and really don't
know about wars….(My husband was in Viet Nam, and I just accepted it…)….All I can
say is I support our men and women in the Military and keep them all in my prayers….
You can see where Kim Jong-il lives.
His is the only house with the lights on, it's that little white speck above the 38th parallel.
That'll help to locate where to aim our missiles next time. thanks kim.
Finally, an author I can agree with. The RED CHINESE call the shots with North Korea and who borrowed nearly one trillion, that is right, trillion dollars from the Chinese? Hmmmm. I know. It was not President Obama.
Ask the Koreans in Seoul if it was worth it. Two million people died of famine in NKorea because of Kim Jong Il's insanity. It could have been two or three times that without the Korean war.
Oh god what an irrelevant quote and argument
The debt has increased by 2 trillion under Obama's tenure, and he's not even halfway through his first term. Gonna blame Bush for that, too?
am obliged to ask, are you high? What the heck are you even talking about? Was that some attempt to make an argument of some sort?
I know what NKoreans live like (as well as any American can, anyway) and I know what SKoreans live like. One of my thesis advisors is from SKorea, he worked as a translator for the American base there before coming here to teach. I suspect that he thinks the Korean war was worth it, if only because it gave him and his wife and daughter a chance at a good education and a happy life.
Cowboy, I feel the same way…I would guess if those that served can see what has happened
after all their sacrifices, they wouldn't be very happy seeing our great country going down this
Socialist road….The last year and a half is unbelievable….I hope we are able to turn things
around, but I really don't see any true patriots in the political arena except for a very few….
Yes. By speaking out against unnecessary wars in foreign lands like the Koran, Vietnam, and Iraq wars I was totally speaking out against The Revolutionary war. [/sarcasm]
And learn the real reasons behind the Civil War.
OK, you're a troll. Got it.
Brad,
A most excellent article. I thank your Dad for his service and sacrifice.
My answer is that it is always worth it to do the right thing, and opposing communism, and supporting freedom are ALWAYS the right thing to do.
It is Always worth it to do the right thing.
David
Fiction? Please. Read it, then come back and tell me all about the 'fiction' in that book.
Actually, you dont even have to read it, just Google, 'WWI Lusitania" or "WWI Creature from Jeckyll island", or "WWI Morgan bankers"
Well said Ewald.
I am sorry. I did not realize you were so intellectually limited. I would explain, but it would take far too long and I have better things to do.
As for being high, yes, I think you are.
Tell your friends at the Puffington Host I said hi. I would say hello, but you would probably have trouble spelling such a long word.
Gotta go. Long drive.
Hey Bo, you can't use facts if they don't exist… and he knows it.
STFU
I loved your grasp of the situation. Nobody else in today's world knows anything about this "conflict". However, the failure of victory was caused by exactly the thinking in Washington today. MacArthur had control of entire Korean peninsula. All of it. Furthermore, he had the Chinese completely backed off from intervention. People forget. MacArthur told the Chinese — intervene and we will retaliate. Truman panicked. He blinked. When he did this, he cost thousand of wonderful troops like your father.
Weakness costs lives, period! That is what is so frightening about Obama's appeasement program. It is perceived as weakness.
uhhh… you're the one who said "War is never worth it." So you MUST mean that the Revolutionary War was not worth it.
Don't you hate logic?
Of course he will. Libs blame Bush for everything. If it weren't for George Bush, we'd still be in the Garden of Eden… whoops, they don't believe in that.
Good piece! Hey, check out some more NASA photos and you'll notice a stark difference between long time free/capitalist societies, those who grew despite Socialist influence and those areas where communism has literally destroyed any hope of 'progress'. This one is good: http://blog.photos4travel.com/wp-content/uploads/... You can see the N/S Korean contrast even more when Japan is viewed up close.
FDR gave away Eastern Europe to appease Russia. As we speak, Obama is negotiating a secret treaty with Russia to weaken our missile defense system. No news on the MSM, of course. We need the Senate to block this treaty. Can we last until November? We are abandoning Eastern Europe yet again.
Yeah, it was worth it. Half a loaf is better than none. The brave Americans sacrificed for a cause. Unfortunately, politicians screw things up. But it was still worth it.
THE “PARTY OF NO” AND PROUD OF IT!
Mr. Bradley (democrat) said: “I am so glad I am not a member of the party that just says no.”
Dear Rep. Bradley and Rep Hall:
In the Record Review you commented how you, as a Democrat, are “ . . . so glad I am not a member of the party that just says no. . .” That is a shock considering you are a member of the party that just says yes, even when experience and financial common sense has shown that no is called for. Where do I begin? Let’s start with FDR. FDR said yes to an open ended entitlement program called Social Security that is going to fail because we will simultaneously find ourselves without new workers to support the pay-outs for the retiring, and disabled workers. Truman said yes to firing General Macarther on the cusp of him pushing a winning strategy to win the Korean war before it cost so many lives; by hitting Chinese routes of supply near the Yalu river, cutting off the North Koreans from the ability to make war. President Truman’s failure would lead to a meat grinder being run not just by the Communist North Koreans, but by the Communist Chinese as well. Truman’s failure also led to the existence of a despotic regime that today possesses nuclear weapons – I wonder how much environmental damage a nuclear war on the Korean peninsula will cause? JFK, well JFK was the last Democrat worth voting for – if it wasn’t for a left wing Moscow loving communist nut case Vietnam never would have happened – even Walter Cronkite agrees with me on this. LBJ said yes to the “Great Society” welfare program; trillions of dollars later poverty is still a wrenching problem, I should think it should be solved by now. Carter said yes too. His merry band of 70’s style Democrats, with total control of the federal government, brought this nation to near collapse via financial suicide, and environmental policy run amok; Republicans tried to say no to that too, but they did not have sufficient strength. Clinton said yes to tax hikes, and Republicans took control of the House and Senate and provided a foil for Clinton to eek out some success; if only I could have been in the oval office to scream no when the intern in the blue dress walked in.
Finally President Obama has said yes to everything, tax hikes, environmentalism run amok via wrong headed climate change and global warming, socialized medicine, government run banks, even destruction of the economic engine that creates wealth in the first place; the free market, and there are not enough Republicans to say no. Any time Republicans have gone along to get along, and forgotten to do the right thing they get blasted at the ballot box. The very nature of our system is it allows, it even encourages, opposing philosophies the opportunity to foul up the works. Remember the surest way to demonstrate the folly of legislation is to implement it. Well here we go for 600 or so days Democrats will say yes to anything a charismatic President with a Teleprompter attached to his hip wants – and Republicans and conservative leaning Democrats will try to stop as much of it as possible – but what Obama wants he will get; and the people will feel the consequences of what they lose in the wallet, and the burden their children will feel as they attempt to enter the workforce in a depressed economy.
Yes, Mr Bradley, I’m part of the Republican Party – the party that said no to the south succeeding from the Union and said no to Carters suicidal economic philosophy, and said no to Mr. Clinton and his tax hikes. Regrettably, of late, when we had the opportunity to put the final stake in the heart of the vampire that is the federal government bureaucracy we evolved into bloodsuckers too – if we are given the chance to lead, I’m praying we don’t fall for the vampire again. Until that day arrives if all I can do is be “a rock thrower” as Rep. Hall calls those who dissent to Mr. Obama – I hope my intellectual aim is true, and I never have to pick up a real one! I do not care what party gets the credit or who’s in charge, or what car they drive at the sufferance of the taxpayers labor, but at some point the men and women in elected office had better start paying close attention to what is happening, and formulate something akin to a triage philosophy for our economy as well as our foreign policy, and get the job done. Saying “no” to misdirection of precious human capital, and fiscal capital would be a great start.
Respectfully,
They may just be dumber than day old Armadillo road kill (if that's possible).
Thanks!
We really haven't been in a justified conflict since WWII. :\\
The problem is, we are in the middle of the storm. It will be decades before the sun shines again. America, as we knew it, will never return.
So be it.
That then, would be their problem, not ours.
Ewald completely destroyed your mythical ideology and the only thing you can do is to repond with a redundent mornic excuse that war is unnecessary. Learn the real reasons behind your freedoms you freaking idiot.
Name a few.
I can't.
Hey, let's assume everything the anti-Lincoln/anti-Union Fringe Libertarian Civil War Reenactors is true, and that the Civil War was definitely not fought for slavery, or at least shouldn't have been fought for slavery, as slavery was eventually going to die out in a few decades in the south. I'll reiterate your general theme…slavery is going to die in a few decades, so why make anything but a few token abolitionist cracks against it?
Gee, I wonder what's so offensive about that idea…
obama is probably fixed on the picture of the Korea's and all he is thinking is how bad the South is at using so much electricity as compared to the North. His second thought is how he can leverage some sort of cap and trade that could benefit him. Then he probably looked in the mirror and became lost in his ego.
I'm sure the Revolutionary war is bad in this bloggers view. War is bad, but sometimes unavoidable. Never in the history of mankind has there been no war. Get used to it.
Hahahaaa not this troll again. Obama for LIfe; bootlickers unite!
Why is anyone taking this goofball seriously? He/she is a troll. He/she says war is never worth it. I say his/her comments aren't worth it.
Yeah, but who'd you get to take THAT bet? Joe Biden?
Cheers, DMontogmery, I shall open a bottle of Lost Coast Brewery in your honor!
Yes, and lets all pretend that the Twin Towers still stand. You have overstayed your place at the kool-aid stand.
An offensive war? First off, the North Koreans flagrantly ATTACKED the South. Secondly, you may not have noticed Brad's stats but a million South Koreans were casualties DEFENDING their country from attack. And it wasn't just "our" war. 17 nations committed active ground forces to the battle under the UN banner. You know nothing about this war or I bet history for that matter.
I find it funny that people who say no wars are ever justified have no problem living under the freedoms and prosperity that we wouldn't have had brave soldiers NOT defended them on the battlefield.
Let's see. I suppose you blame the economic crash of 2007-2008 on Obama. Or maybe Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac. No, it was ol' Georgie and as his last Secretary of the Treasury said, we were at the edge of the cliff and looking down. So I know the truth hurts and maybe ol' Georgie and Dick the Chicken should have listened to Warren Buffett in 2002. You do know what Warren said, don't you/
I appreciate your father's, and ALL the others who served and sacrified for our freedoms. Thank you for your article.
Hmmm. And I bet you were against the bank bailout. Well, where do you think we would be if our largest banks had failed? I know, on easy street.
We should have simply gone in and assassinated the Taliban and Al Qaeda leadership. I would have been satisfied with an act of revenge like that. Wouldn't you?
Excellent visual of night in the eastern hemisphere to make your point!
"You do know what Warren said, don't you/ "
Let me guess, was is something about Dick Cheney and his five draft deferrments?
So what exactly did the Democrats, who controlled Congress and the government's purse strings, do to try to prevent mean ol' Bush from magically crashing the economy?
We'd probably all be out of jobs, instead of the economic boom we're in now.
I agree. Lives and treasure will continue to be lost and slavery continues to exist because of FDR and Truman.
Well, going by your statement above you make a bold claim that we haven't been justified in a military conflict since WWII :\\? No tap dancing allowed, thanks.
It somehow seems so surreal that we live, and vote, with a generation that learned everything they needed to know about Korea from Alan Alda.
My father served in WW2. I never got to thank him. Thanks to all who have served.
It's that picture and a thousand word thing for sure. Talk about an inconvenient truth.
No, I am trying to have a discussion here. I am trying to be objective. Just because you don't want to believe our foreign policy causes a lot of problems doesn't mean I am a troll.
Oh, I get it. You seem to be one of those narrow minded people who believe that you cannot be conservative and dislike war. If one is against war, they must be a liberal!
Not true. I am talking about our meddling overseas. That hsa nothing to to with a revolutionary war for independence at home.
They attacked South Korea. but they did not attack us. You dont defend freedoms fighting needless wars half a world away. Korea never was a threat to our freedoms. Vietnam never was a threat to our freedoms. Iraq was never a threat to our freedoms either.
You talk about defending our freedoms….people were forced to go to war in Korea via conscription. What if they did not want to fight? Is that not a complete violation of ones freedom? What about being forced to pay for wars via taxes and inflation? Is taht not a loss of freedom?
Be objective.
haha I'll try to speak more directly.That response would have been justified. Our current conflict is not. Neither was our involvement in the Korean war. We actually created that problem by splitting the region in half with Soviet Russia. We should have allowed the Korean people their autonomy and let them create their own nation.
Sorry if I mislead, I meant the types of war we keep getting ourselves into via meddling abroad. I already explained that above though, read.
Please, he destroyed nothing.
It is true.
Because Lincoln killed 500,000 americans in a war over obtaining a strong centralized government, exactly the type of government everyone is on this board to rally against.
Considering your name is 'War Machine', we can hardly consider you an objective participant in this discussion.
Theres no point in trying to reason with these NeoCons. They dont see their hypocrisy about Big government, nor do they want to learn real history to achieve any state of higher thought.
"We need to make the world safe for democracy" – Woodrow Wilson, PROGRESSIVE
Notice how K_M_K completely dismisses our allies and the fact that 17 different nations fought in this war to protect the South Koreans from communist occupation. I am completely certain that Obama will dither with Kim Jong but if things get out of hand and we are forced into another war, watch for this troll to disappear like a flip of the switch. (Remember, we have almost 40,000 troops stationed in South Korea).
Here is a thought for you.
This is my first post addressing you, and wil be the one, and only.
I have been here, since day one, hour one. From the day this site started, last fall. I believe everyone has a right to an opinion. Furthermore, men far better than you, have fought and died to allow you to make an absolute fool, and complete asshole out of yourself, in public, on the internet, for all the world to see. Obviously, you have that down to a fine art.
Rather than sitting here, mentally masturbating yourself for all the world to see, why don't you just save the bandwidth, and amble on over to the Huffington Post, or one of those wanker websites, where you will fit in?
I've read reams of your nonsense, and it is nothing but bullshit.
Yeah, who cares if millions are being slaughtered? If they didn't want to die like that they could just charge the machines guns and die fast or something.
You are not a conservative.
You are an isolationist; an ostrich who thinks he can stop the world from impacting his life if he just buries his head deep enough in the sand.
Out of the 300,000 UN troops, 260,000 were Americans
http://www.johndclare.net/cold_war10.htm
You can pay for an army or you can pay for tribute.
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