Toyota and the Union-Backed, Government-Led Witch Hunt
by Brian JohnsonToyota, which employs over 35,000 workers in the United States with factories in eight states, is the target of a government-led and union-supported attack due to recent recalls.
In the U.S., it is estimated that 15,000 Lexus HS250h and 133,000 Prius models will be recalled due to gas pedal issues, with another 500,000 Prius and other gasoline-electric hybrids needing anti-brake software modification. As unfortunate and inconvenient as recalls can be, this not the first, or last time an automobile will need to be brought back to the shop for a quick fix.

One might think this is the first auto recall in decades from the way government officials and Congressional Committees have pounced on Toyota. However, as recent as last month, Honda announced a recall of 646,000 Fit models (or Jazz in some markets) due to a faulty master switch that could allow water to enter the electrical components resulting in fires. Ford, less than one year ago, was forced to recall more than 4 million cars based on 550 vehicle fires. The recall concerned cruise-control deactivation switches that were installed in 16 million Fords. Part of the recall included nearly 1.1 million 1995-2003 Ford Windstar family van models.
There was no government outcry and no demand for Congressional hearings over these recent recalls. So why has Toyota suddenly become the target of a government-led witch hunt?
Toyota’s U.S. operations are extremely successful, not saturated by inefficient union monopolies, and are in direct competition with the now government-owned General Motors.
From their first U.S. factory in 1988, the Japanese company’s success in the U.S. is extraordinary. In 2003, the Camry became the best-selling car in the U.S. and still is. In 2005, Fortune magazine stated: “By nearly every measure, Toyota is the world’s best auto manufacturer. It may be the world’s best manufacturer, period.” In 2006, Toyota became the third-biggest seller of cars and trucks in the U.S. In 2007, Toyota captured second place in the U.S. market, replacing Ford, which had held the No. 2 position since 1931. In 2008, as GM declined and temporarily avoided bankruptcy, Toyota surpassed their unionized competitor becoming the largest automaker in the world.
Toyota’s ability to ascend, while others plummeted, lies in their philosophy based on efficiency and productivity called “The Toyota Way.” This corporate philosophy is not anti-union, rather based on the principle of “kaizen” which means “continuous improvement.” This principle seeks complete quality management by improving local work environments and raising productivity. It empowers executives and plant employees, who are famously authorized by Toyota to stop the assembly line to quickly solve any problems based on their own discretion. Such practices are never heard of and often forbade in other highly unionized automobile facilities.
In fact, the differences in efficiency and productivity (and why the unions are determined to penetrate Toyota’s workforce), do not stop there. When GM fired over 35,000 employees between 2006 and 2008, Toyota laid off zero. GM loses almost $2,500 in profitability per vehicle where Toyota makes almost $1,500 per vehicle. This is largely due to GM’s forced union contracts. GM’s union, the United Auto Workers (UAW) mandates that GM pay, on average, each non-skilled line worker about $33 dollars per hour. This inflated wage includes workers who are “idle,” meaning they don’t have a specific job that day, but can still come to work, sit in a special facility and collect a pay check.
These artificially inflated costs, bound by forced union contracts, are sinking other US auto industries. Toyota has managed to rise above that, not by being anti-union, but by believing in and enforcing a corporate-wide model based on efficiency and improvement.
Now, the agents of the government, which controls GM, are publicly castigating Toyota in an attempt to smear the company and increase their own profitability. As a direct competitor with Toyota by way of involvement with GM, the assault against Toyota represents one of the most public conflicts of interests the business world has experienced.
Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood, told owners of a recalled Toyota to “stop driving it” and take it to a dealer to get it fixed. As a appointee of President Obama, who supported the government takeover of GM, LaHood’s comments should be viewed as a violation of the government’s own “non-compete” commitment. In publically condemning Toyota, which is now a competitor of a government owned corporation, LaHood is using his position to drive down the market share of Toyota and advance the interests of GM.
LaHood’s comments and the call for House Congressional Hearings into Toyota, led by members with union-heavy districts whose interests appear to be self-serving, has led to a public outcry from a bi-partisan group of Governors whose constituents rely on Toyota for employment. Led by Gov. Mitch Daniels (R-Ind.) who says, “Let’s recall. Let’s fix it…If a fine is in order, then fine, but they have gone so far beyond that. It’s very, very suspicious in view of the government conflict of interest.” Daniels added, “These Congressmen running this committee have their own agenda and it is a discriminating agenda in this case. They didn’t do this the last several hundred recalls.”
The government, in this case backed by the union saturation of GM, has a clear conflict of interest in owning companies that are in direct competition with Toyota. The problems have been determined, the solutions are in process. Sec. LaHood and the union-supported Democrat heads of the committees holding hearings on this matter should step back and allow the private sector to function without biased interference.






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its about time someone noticed this is all about the unions , chicago politics at its best ,
You know damn well that if this "recall crisis" was happening to GM, we probably wouldn't have heard a thing about it till it was to late.
Those damn resourceful Japanese and their superior management styles, and non-union workers have to be stopped. How dare they come to the USA and make a profit…!
Wonder who else is on Barry's "Black List"…Besides the American populace…?
I have followed this closely, as it is an item of business that interests me, and I knew when the first rumors surfaced there would be a Government and CONgressional hearing and inquiry, all motivated by the UNIONS. Simply put, it can't be done, the Government, as the owner of a major aoto maker (General Motors) cannot hold an inquiry, it is a conflict of interest. Period, plain and simple. Their inquiry, would be akin to the Spanish Inquisition at worst, grandstanding hearings at best.
The Chairman of Toyota, Mr. Toyota has already said he will n9ot be at the hearings next week. If pushed, hen needs to tell the US Government he will shutter his plants, lay off his 35,000 employees and go back to Japan. He needs to tell the Obama Administration to kiss his ass.
PS: If the Obama Administration really wants to go on a witch hunt, if CONgress wants to hold grandstanding hearings to posture for the cameras, tell the worthless sumbitches to convene a hearing on ACORN.
This is another case of the progressives and 'their' union trying to make a poor man rich by making a rich man poor. In the end; everyone loses.
Once again, the US is engaged in trashing one of our friendly trading partners-Japan. We may have had our differences in the past, but US/Japan trade relations have been mutually beneficial.
Thank you for this article because I have been wondering what has been going on.
Or its own members.
A part of the Government Motors story that NOBODY has ever covered. The Government had to take over GM. GM was the contractor of record, and supplier for the U. S. Military for all the light duty vehicles, from the Hummer, right up to medium duty trucks.GM has always been a quasi-government operation going back to World War II. If GM went down, where would they get the repair parts, for all that GM junk sitting in the Iraqi and Afghanistan desert? I find it odd that nobody in the MSM ever touched this aspect, nor anyone in the business news.'
As usual, the Government talks out of both sides of its mouth.
Well one "promise" made by Obama is true here. Transparency. It is completely transparent that Toyota is the victim of a union backed government witch hunt designed strictly to hurt the company.
More than ever, I would buy a Toyota! Family members love theirs. Never had a problem with any of them.
(Floor mats under accelerator, pleeeeese!! Move the damn thing! )
Can't stand the unions and will never buy another GM or Dodge new vehicle.
The progressives "never let a good crisis go to waste". This is just another smoke screen to distract us while they work out the backroom deals on health care, crap and tax, etc.
And let's not forget who the single largest holder of U.S. Treasury Debt is now that China liquidated a large piece of its position.
Yep. Japan.
The NHTSA is carrying out a classical Marxist process to destroy private industry. Toyota should stop cooperating with the US government and begin a major court fight. It's time for millions of Americans to drive a Chevy and return it after 28 days. Cloward-Piven GM. Overwhelm the system with used cars. Crash socialism.
Wow,……..thank goodness someone finally wrote about this. It has been a sickening display of what
can & will happen under our NEW style of progressive gubmint. Funny, I have been horrified since
this first broke, bur 5 years ago I would have been saying, run Toyota out of the country. The old saying,
live & learn certainly applies. Up until a couple of years ago I didn't even know Toyota tried to avoid union
situations. Do these recent events seem well orchestrated to anyone other than myself? I saw a commer-
cial yesterday, inviting customers to call or visit their dealer if they had any questions or concerns. Haven't
checked to see what this has done to their stock prices. What a hellish nightmare this must be for their em-
ployees.
I too susupected this was coming when the MSM kept using this story as their lead.
Toyota brass should scan through the employee parking lots and lay off only those with Obama bumper stickers on their cars.
(sarc)
In other businessnews this morning, and this is BIG NEWS,
Stewart Varney leads with the story "The Great green Collapse". All the wheels are falling off the Global Warming bandwagon. The party is over. Caterpillar, BP and Conoco just pulled out of the Climate Change Games.
Christopher Horner that has written so many articles here should feel vindication. It is a great day. Global Warming is on the ropes, Cap and Trade is dead, the people are waking up and becoming aware. it is a great day in America. It just might be the dawn of a new age, where an entire generation of nonsense has been discarded.
Personally, I think sites like this have created an awareness.
C'mon- a witch hunt?! Everybody knows that union labor is the ONLY way to build a flawless piece of machinery and scab labor only makes Ps.O.S. Accusing the Dems of doing this out of any nefarious political motivation is just stupid, and clearly racist. (sarc/off)
Yeah, I read that.
Cowboy, Ii too watched this closely and it was so transparent what was occuring, don't know how anyone could have missed it…guess this is where the transparency part comes in for OB right?! Anyway, when you say the government can't do this, do you believe that will stop them? I just wonder how anything can be stopped once these thugs push their weight around ~
I posted the following two weeks ago after one of Obama's scripted "town hall meetings" in which a lady just happened to raise a question that hammered FORD (the only of the big three that didn't whore itself out to the government).
"Was it just me that found it pecular that at Obie's town hall meeting (Jan. 22- Ohio) a 'random' lady picked from the audience stated:
"The second thing that I wanted to address to you is the unfair labor laws that they seem to have in some of these industries as far as discrimination and different issues of that nature. . . I have actually worked for Ford . . . and even when I was working there. . . and there's a lot of very unjust situations. . . and it's always pushed under the rug. . . . it's not fair that even at this point my mother still can't retire, she has to continue to suffer."
WOW, isn't it just amazing that Ford happened to come up? And who would have known what that evil company has been doing? "
Now we see what happens when the "OBAMA GOVERNMENT" sinks it's teeth into private industry – destroy the opposition.
Now that is just rich – 'most people do so to blame others for their failures'…hmmm, who does this sound like?! I'm not giving any hints either!
Absolutely they should be after acorn/seiu…both are a bunch of corrupt thugs with few exceptions. This is all about power and control of the unions and votes…as far as their own members go, if they really had a spine rangle have been in jail for years by now as would barney frank…
I haven't owned an American car in 20 years…and if I were to get one it would probably be a Ford….
WoW!
"It's time for millions of Americans to drive a Chevy and return it after 28 days. Cloward-Piven GM. Overwhelm the system with used cars. Crash socialism."
Now that is an excellent point!
I am sure it is a Jew conspiracy.
So, the government taking an interest in a safety issue which directly effects over half a million drivers, and indirectly could effect millions more, is grandstanding?
Frankly, my safety and my family's safety trumps any business 'conflict of interest' there is!
If Congress finds that it takes Union workers to make safe Toyota's; then by all means get the UAW in there!
Yes.
I recall you posted it.
You were right then, and further right now, even prophetic. It has ALL been staged, and prepackaged. They can hold all the show trials they want to, that won't make people buy Government Motors.
I'd agree with you if GM were still run by modern corporate robber barons.
However, I think under the new ownership we will see more commitment to the customer and a more socially responsible lean to the business practices.
Toyota uses logic to make their business decisions. While the US auto industry is becoming victim to crony capitalism and union sweet heart deals in direct conflict to the interests of the shareholders. Our politicians think we live in this little bubble and that business will want to be in the USA because were the best or something. The dont think government policies and tax rates effect where business takes place. Keep an eye on NJ and Cali to see the fate of the US government, they should lead the trend into bankruptcy.
Point of correction, Cowboy: You're not quite accurate in asserting that "GM was the contractor of record, and supplier for the U. S. Military for all the light duty vehicles, from the Hummer, right up to medium duty trucks". Dodge trucks are well represented in Uncle Sam's fleet as well.
I hate to be nit-picky, but one should be sure prior to stating something as fact.
Ivan
"friendly trading partners"
And we've been given yet another clue: America's friends ARE NOT Obama's friends.
Every day, a new clue.
Agreed. But I'll go further. I won't buy any care made by a UAW worker. Even absent federal ownership. Sorry Ford but that is the way it is. At least until the laws are reformed so that employers have no obligation to negotiate with unions. We have to start fighting back. It will be a long haul.
People tend to accept that unions were once necessary to stop abuses. This is bull. We always had the ability to debate worker issues and pass appropriate laws to protect workers from abuse. And we have plenty such laws today. We never needed, and certainly don't now need, to use every problem as an excuse to undo freedom and replace it with ministeps towards socialism. Forcing workers who don't want to join a union to join it if most of the other workers want to join it is fundamentaly unfair and anti freedom. Forcing employers to bargain with unions is fundamentally unfair and anti freedom. Let's go back to the American way.
That's funny…Because Ford was the only profitable auto manufacturer last year, and gee…They didn't take a bailout, nor are they "partially" owned by the Federal Government.
So your point is?
Obama and his Chicago style Union Mafia, now running the White House. You had to know there was a Union connection to why they were making Toyota the bad guy. This is why the Government should not be involved in owning industries that compete in the private sector.
I totally agree with 'harley2002' – if I buy domestic it will be FORD and if foreign it will be TOYOTA.
I drive a Toyota 4-runner with 125,000 miles on it, never had a problem. My first Toyota 4-runner I gave to my son with 215,000 on it, has never had a problem and he drives it everyday with mileage now almost 250,000.
This is a campaign by Obama & Co. to destroy a private company competing with Government Motors.
"…Socially-responsible lean to the business practices…"
Socially responsible as in giving unions free reign to destroy the entire industry even further?
Even bigger story. Three (3) Olympia electric powered ice resurfacing machines failed at the Olympics and a gas powered Zamboni is trucked in to rescue and save the day. They went green by using electric rechargeable machines and those do NOT work.
It's a great time to buy a Toyota!
My extended family has proudly been driving Toyota vehicles since 1974 when my cousin brought home his first Carola from Ft. Dix. This is the same guy who retired from GM's Lordstown, Ohio plant.
We will continue to drive Toyota vehicles, thank you, because they run forever on minimum maintenance.
Ivan
GM and Chrysler built thousands less cars and cancelled dealers. That will make their recalls smaller.
If there was a defect and recall from a Chrysler built before bankruptcy, there is no one to sue.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
you're kidding, right? Do you actually believe the BS dripping from your mouth? Unions care absolutely nothing about anything except increasing their membership for the benefit of the SLUSH fund from dues.
Unions have chased more jobs overseas than any other single factor.
Oops, my bad: I meant "Corola".
Ivan
You're forgetting that to the Obamunists, profit is evil!
Unions are committed to increasing conflict with management and doing the least amount of work for the most amount of pay at the expense of quality, sales, and the future of their employer.
You are correct. I omitted Dodge, although not intentionally. The preponderance of the vehicles were made by GM. Dodge had lesser contracts.
Makes one wonder about Ford, eh? They were at the bottom of the list, and they do well.
Global Warming?
Climate Change?
Goldman Sachs?
David Leuscian and Riverstone Partners?
Al Gore?
………and Algores partner, who came from Goldman Sachs:
http://www.generationim.com/about/team/blood.html
Connect the dots.
Hey Cowboy, here's my lullabye for the lil baby Dhass….
I'm a little nit wit here to troll
I hate all Jews, don't you know
Whatever you all talk about it matter not
It comes back to one thing that makes me spout
I clearly need something to make me smile when reading all the same hatefull words day after day!
"I used to bash unions like you knee-jerk types do here but I got past that. Most people do so to blame others for their failures." Der DuHasslehoof -ya, we need psychoanalysis from a member of Hitler's Youth.
Try this – turn you projection around and point it at yourself.
Unions, specifically the U.A.W. have tried to kill the American Auto Industry for years. GM and Chysler should be left for dead – not propped up by "Bolshevik Barry"
The UAW certainly does make people with the cars they build…after all, it's pretty hard for a car to be unsafe when no one will buy it.
exactly. Unions killed the goose and then stomped it's guts out –
- and then whined like little girls about "shipping jobs overseas".
Profitable? And they have Union workers? Isn't that a contradiction? Aren't union wages the reason GM was NOT profitable?
Look, all you did is back up my point about GM's previous leadership being incompetent.
So, I guess whatever my point was……you agree.
I think that the Obama administration may be acting on their racism directed toward the Nippon and/or Nisei.
Ivan
Like I've stated before, I'll start listening to Obama when he drives around in a Prius ….until then, shut up …
you can make the prius bullet proof .. just worried about the speed when you need to get away !!!
Floor it !!!! I am !!!!!
Please see my above relevant point.
As Einy pointed out, Ford has Union workers and is profitable.
So, according to Einy, Union workers aren't the variable causing GM's profit issues.
I'm a long time Ford guy (retail) and Ocommie can kiss my ass. Ford restuctured IN TIME and made a nice profit last quarter.
I'm a student now, but I drive a new(ish) Mustang GT and I'm proud of Ford. They hafta put up with the UAW – for now.
At one time, unions were a good thing – they looked out for the rights of the workers – around the turn of the last century. Nowadays, they're like a virus. They invade a healthy industry, weaken it, sicken it, and finally kill it. Most industries that have union laborers these days are constantly struggling to remain viable. The only entities that are prospering are the unions. What's wrong with that picture?
The new Taurus is really nice!
Wow, Brian. Strap your tinfoil hat on tight and don't let any facts get in the way of your delusional rants.
Toyota has been covering up manufacturing and safety-related defects for years. They’ve lied about fuel economy and horsepower. They’ve destroyed evidence rather than hand it over to investigators. I expect the shredders are running 24/7 even now.
Having owned a Toyota, with friends and relatives who’ve worked for them, I can tell you that this is a company that will quickly lie, cheat and steal to preserve their “honorable” reputation.
May they rot in hell.
I saw this coiming from day one !!! I thought "You would think it was the end of the world"
recalls happen all the time .. It's like the Mac getting a virus and Congress holds meetings on it !!!!
I don't see the correlation between auto safety and potential sales.
Can you please explain?
GM sucked before Obama and his toadies took it over. Drive an off-road ready Ford Explorer right now but will own a Tacoma next.
Note to Gubment Motors: KMA!
" I know people who love Toyotas and USED to like the 4Runner … I don't know what the big deal about Toyotas is."
I have put nearly 350,000 miles on two Toyota 4-runners without any problems. That's a big deal to me. (by the way they were a '96 and a '02 – I agree with the styling thing, but the newest ones look good again).
As for 1960's , the union perks then didn't compare to what they are now. Do you think they should go back to 1960 benefits ?
When will the media ever connect the dots that it is the UNIONS who are the prime cause for jobs being sent off-shore. I applaude Boeing for leaving the UNION SOCIALISTS in the Californicated Socialist State of Washington.
Take a look at the numbers, nearly every wasted dollar of the stimulus money (all of them) went to paying people to not work (extended unemployment) and to UNIONS. Even his latest attempt at Nuclear Reactors is all about more UNION jobs. This simple fact guarantees the projects will hit cost over-runs and delays.
Or is management committed to increasing conflict with unions to get the most work for the least pay?
Chicken or the egg?
Perhaps you could benefit from heading your own advice, and READ my post.
I did not once mention Ford and unions, or that Ford uses union workers…!
What is the acronym SLUSH?
Profit at the expense of public safety.
Like Toyota profit.
Your 1st paragraph is fine. Actually its a great opinion to share (especialyl compared to your previous posts).
Your 2nd paragraph is where you loose credibility… you undermine yourself. If you believe 1960 was great, share some numebrs, some proof, something to back it up so we can discuss. But if you want to add value to the discussion, avoid name calling and blaming.
I won't buy a GM, Chrysler, Chevy… at all. Maybe a used one, but def not new. I'm a Jeep fan and like the new Jeeps, but new is def out of the option pool.
I'd like to see him driving a Trabant.
Why don't you go ahead and quote where I say that Ford has union workers, and how that relates to GM…I seem to not be able to find where I said that…!?
"So, I guess whatever my point was……you agree."
Obviously you don't have a point, as I stated in the form of a question in my initial response. If you do have a point you are trying to make, then by all means please share it with us…!
You really need to read past the headline … like maybe the 3rd paragraph. Where was the "Nanny" on those recalls???
Inflexible, non-innovative and immobile management?
It wasn't easy but I just sent this site to the Corporate Headquarters in Japan with my own comments. I have been a die hard Toyota car person for the last 20 yrs and this witch hunt will hurt us, the consumer, in the long run. Damn government is disgusting and November can't come soon enough for me.
Correlation????…..Much less with union or non union made there Joey.
As far as congress getting to the bottom of anything,…. you are the one that needs to do some explaining.
I'd by a FORD over the other "American" options!
Working for a profitable company can be sooooo darn difficult sometimes. Waaahhhhh! I guess her mother's unemployment ran out and she was forced to finally get back to work.
Its TOYOTA vs the UNITED STATES AUTOMOTIVE MANUFACTURING COMPANY (USAMC)! Toyota is being questioned by the USAMC and the MSM! Funny how all of a sudden a recall is SO important when it benefits the US CONgress, and their pockets.
That's the the luxury Hugo? ;l
Which brings us back to GM there Cowboy….
What about all those hybrid little extra mini cute cars that GM has been directed to build by their CEO in Chief.
Well, I made a suggestion that the reason for GM's issues was the leadership; not the Unions.
You pointed out that Ford was profitable.
We all know that Ford is a union shop.
Seemed like the ONLY reason to bring up Ford being profitable was to point out that an auto maker can be unionized AND profitable.
Why else would you have brought up Ford being profitable in the context of a discussion about GM NOT being profitable because of unions?
Sorry if I lept to the conclusion that there was logic involved in your statement.
If you're talking about union administration, I heartily agree!
The Kaizen approach to total quality was created by an American, W. Edward Deming. He was a statistician that helped American manufacturing in WW2, so that we could produce high quality tanks, aircraft, etc in the most efficient manner possible. After the war Mr. Deming went to the American auto makers to help them. Management and the UAW roundly rejected him, so he went to Japan where he was embraced. There is a annual award in Japan for the most efficient company called "The Deming Award". He is honored in Japan, a hero.
Look what we got now, govt. thugs bashing a valuable American employer. I owned 1 American car. It was awful, Ford didnt' stand behind it, eventually the car was recalled. We are a Toyata family, the cars are trouble free, and the manufacturer gladly stands behing their product with a "no questions asked" when it comes to warranty issues.
Don't be surprised if ACORN/union/marxists take you're advice and do it to Toyota and Ford.
You said they were profitable.
And they DO use union workers.
In the context of the discussion, the point you conveyed was that they can be profitable AND unionized.
And all I did is agree with you.
You made a great point.
Now that’s cynical, the gummint, wouldn’t do that…would they?
OH…..
I get it…..
You want to point out that GM lost money, got government funds and is unionized.
You also want to point out that Ford is profitable. Didn't get government funds.
But you DON'T want to point out that they were profitable AND unionized.
Gotchya!
We'll ignore that part of the equation and just tell half the story.
Wink. Wink.
IIRC, the "Hummer" brand made by government motors was only the commercial (civilian) division. The HMMWV (Military) vehicle was retained by AMGeneral. The HMMWV was a profitable vehicle for them and the H1 was not mostly due to federal regulations, so it was sold off to GM.
Most of the replacement parts for military vehicles are made by Tier II or Tier III suppliers. Production of spares is mostly under contract directly from the US government to the original (small to medium) suppliers.
I do believe that GM has, atleast, an interest in building the new striker vehicle, which is a much more expensive proposition.
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On the contrary…You are the one driving this discussion on the basis of union participation or not. Again…READ my posts. Notice how the letters are conjugated into words. Then put all that together in the form of a sentence, and you will understand what I have already said.
I never stated that GM lost money
I never stated anything about unions for neither GM or Ford
You can try to put words in my mouth, but my posts' speak for themselves.
I do believe you are on to something about the 60s being the "best times" there Dhaffy (with respect to the unions in our society)
However, the reason one can label this era as say "the golden age", with respect to unions, was because at that time both union and management bargained for a common interest.
It was at that time, as I recall it, the Democrat Party took complete control of the union hierarchy and they became the stooges for liberals who in turn took over the Democrat Party.
That's when unions started to bite the hand that fed them and you know what happened after that….THUS,…
No more… It was then "best of times",…only,…. its the worst of times now.
I've never owned a Toyota, but am going to buy one now. Toyota may not "need" a union, because their workers may be treated fairly, and much better than the sweat-shop Big Three companies treat their employees.
What planet are you from!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Great article. You won't see this from mainstream reporting. Thanks.
I bought a 1984 Toyota pickup and sitting next to it on the lot was a 1984 4-runner, almost bought it but the pickup had a diesel in it.
After my engine self-destructed, I realized I should have bought the 4-runner.
buy a chevy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
"Sorry if I lept to the conclusion that there was logic involved in your statement."
When you know not of what you speak, your mouth is best used for chewing…!
Did you read the article that this discussion is about?
It is in the context of unions.
If you weren't speaking of Ford being profitable in the context of the article (unions). And you weren't speaking of Ford being profitable in the context of my comments (GM)….then why did you bring up Ford being profitable?
You DID mention that they were the didn't take a bailout and weren't owned by the government. I guess the insinuation was the bailout and government ownership was the reason GM was not profitable and Ford was?
I'm sorry if you feel like I am putting words in your mouth. I am simply trying to extract why, in the context of commentary about an article lambasting unions, you would bring up Ford being profitable if it wasn't somehow in the context of Unions.
So, what was the point of bringing up Ford?
And, can we agree that Ford IS profitable AND unionized?
As with everything, there is good and bad. I have owned many Toyota, GM and Ford products and all have had issues. What defines them in my mind is how the company deals with the issues. Ford has done a better job overall.
I am not a fan of unions and I applaud Toyota, Hyundai and others for creating decent paying non-union jobs here in the USA.
It is happening to GM. All one has to do is google GM recalls and you will see for yourself that GM is no different that Toyota. There are recall woes for all. Only Toyota is being called out on the carpet for it. Because of the fact that Obama owns the problems at GM. And, the MSM want to make sure they don't get on his bad side. Being a Toyota owner for most of my driving years, there isn't a better manufactured car on the market that lasts. My first Toyota, a Celica, I drove 212,000 miles only sold it because we started a family. We still own three Toyota's and no government incentive could get me to change that.
I'm going with Toyota. My Ford F-150 burned to the ground even after my recall was fixed. It suffered the same electrical burning smell. Ford gave me the middle finger and said ," TOUGH!" That's Ford Tough.
This has been suspicious to me from the beginning. For at least the last twenty years, Toyota has been recognized as having the top selling and most reliable cars (Corolla and Camry). Suddenly they are incapable of producing a vehicle the American public wants? This is manufactured outrage and I am ashamed of the public for being so easily manipulated. But then, I'm pretty ashamed of the government that has been voted in so that we could "make history".
And don't forget all the liabilty lawyers waiting to file class action suits.
I'd still rather own a Toyota than a "Gov't Motors Corp" obamacar. Keep up the good work Toyoya
The "government" is taking an interest in promoting the union agenda
The issue here is that the same kind of thing happens with GM Cars. But the reaction is different. There are a number of GM flaws over the past years. This sort of thing happens in any car company.
Toyota makes cars just as safe as GM cars. There are recalls on GM cars as well. But where is this similar high-publicity, national reaction? This is unprecedented.
It is just another example of what is good for me is not good for you, standard liberal politics. And you are acting all apologist and saying "if we need for force everyone to be unions, then so be it. for the good of the children". But Unions don't make cars safer. Safety comes from proper design and proper manufacturing.
"got troll"
i agree toyota may not need a union but dont you think the
treatment by the "big three" is brought about because of union
involvement?
the co. are unable to do anything without union approval
Tyranny. It's time for us to recall it.
Yes, I did read the article, as I do all of them.
Regardless of the fact that the article is making it's case in the context of unions, I however was not implying that. Perhaps, once again, if you were to read my initial post, you would understand that I was not trying to make the case of union involvement in the demise of GM. I stated, in a slightly sarcastic manner, that the Japanese have far superior management styles, they are resourceful, and that their employees choose not to be union. You then insipidly responded that; "I'd agree with you if GM were still run by modern corporate robber barons.". What relevance does that have with your union argument? There is no relevance.
If you want more evidence about this go to:
http://www.safetyresearch.net
It has a new report which is full of false allegations about Toyota aimed at supporting litigation.
Toyota knows much more about safety in compact car design than Government Motors ever will.
So…The context of the article and the context of my initial post may not coincide, but they don't necessarily have to. As this is a comment based forum, I commented with my opinion. If you don't like my opinion that's fine, I really don't care. But don't try to put words in my mouth in order to attempt to prove your point. Also, as I have stated many times already. Feel free to quote me in any of these posts saying what you claim I have, and leave your insinuations to yourself. You know what happens when one assumes correct?
And lastly, yes we can agree that Ford is profitable, and it's a union shop. Those are the facts. However, not once did I make it a basis for MY argument, you did. Mmmkay?
there is no american cars any more, only assembled here maybe . the steel is american but not much more , most electrical is either chinese or from mexico .
I bought some toyota stock the other day. Will buy more if goes down more. Certainly a better investment than, say, GM? Chrysler?
You are correct. But the Toyota recalls are being displayed as a "crisis". That was the only point I was trying to make. GM will never been put in the same light ever again. That is unless the govt. gets their grubby little dick skinners out of the mix…!
You guys have to admit, if you were to create a paradigm shift against Toyota you would have to go directly against their strong points. Quality, Dependability, Safety. You would need to attract defects that would hamper braking, steering, sticking accelerators, you know the stuff that really scares people. Remember it’s really difficult to fend off a safety issue. Then you leak bits and pieces to ABC news (Steponopolus types) to spread and create the controversy. Of course you make it look like your trying to protect the consumer throughout the process. Then the roller coast affects start. Incidents from the gutters. A class action lawyers dream. The only way I see this turning around is to have Toyota react with an offensive posture and attach the opposition. A defensive one will only make their problem worse. By the way, I'm on my 5th Toyota and counting.
Then if you agree that Ford is profitable, and it's a union shop….what's the problem?
You brought Ford up in the first place.
These are the facts.
If GM is unionized and NOT profitable and Ford is unionized and IS profitable….can we also agree that, obviously, unions are not the common denominator?
This what happens when the government gets into the automobile business (GM). Build a better product at a lower price? No way. Smear and damage the competition politically is the way to go.
GM abandons UAW for green cars
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/b...
Brian, you have no idea what you're talking about.
The "government" does not have a conflict of interest, because the "government" doesn't understand profit and accountability – remember? I'm a conservative, and your post assumes all of a sudden that government understands how to run a business and make a profit by undercutting the competetion. It doesn't. No one is accountable, so no one could hatch a plan to strike Toyota down.
Unintented Acceleration cases are FOUR TIMES as much reported by any other carmaker. 4 times. That's statistically signifigant, if not shocking, since Toyota went to their electronic throttlebody drive-by-wire system in 2002. Cases have been climbing sharply. It's software.
All automakers have recalls. But if you've followed the story, and followed Toyota for years, you'll see their less than forthcoming. Have you heard of Engine Slude? Or rusted frames? Or cracked body mountings? No?
Well it's the tip of the ice berg.
I confess.
I don't understand what you are saying.
Unions do make cars safer.
You have happier, more professional and better trained work forces.
That increases quality.
Which equals better safety.
Actually, up to a third of Toyota's work force are TEMPS. Sounds like a good deal, right?
Work here for a few years, and maybe we'll hire you. Maybe. And maybe you'll get the wages and benefits, too. MAYBE. Fantastic deal.
Last time I checked, union administration didn't run corporations.
Hows about they convene a hearing on Charlie Rangel, Chris Dodd. How about a hearing on ACORN, SEIU, UAW and Goldman Sachs, Citi Group. How about all the presidents men. Remember his bold and brash statemnt to judge him by the company he keeps. I am and we all will, count on it. And at the moment it would appear that hings are not looking very good for this administration.
Funny that the government is up in arms about Toyota's recall but Ford beats Toyota hands down in number of vehicle's recalled.
http://www.usrecallnews.com/2010/02/ford-recall-h...
It's Bumper Sticker Slogan thinking like yours that got this country into the shape that it's in.
You have no idea about General Motors, Toyota, or the auto industry.
Yes, keep up with the engine sludge, keep up with the cracked frames, keep up with the rusting frames.
Keep up with lying about the acceleration problem. Keep up with not fessing up to the software problem in your cars. Keep up with not talking about sudden TURNS TO THE RIGHT AND LEFT at highway speeds.
Good job, Toyota.
You can catch more flies with honey than vinegar, assuming you want to catch flies.
Sorry Chad. These idiots will shout you down. No logical answer that disputes their paranoia is permitted.
If GM were the only other car maker on the planet, then these UAW/GM/government conspiracy lunatics might have a shred of a case. But if a potential customer decides not to buy a Toyota, how many other choices does he have? Answer: a boatload (and most of them are not domestic).
What about the third part of your original immature premise there Steel Head Joe.
"modern corporate robber barons" is it not also a "common denominator" with the FORD Motor Company.
Or is Ford, unlike GM, just a little ol Ma and Pa run entity….
Speaking of common denominators there Joey,……..
You must realize that you have a way of getting a tad twisted in these back and forth discussions,…… you really should stay with just one point…
Walking and chewing gum at the same time seems NOT to be your strong suit.
I'm very happy to see indusrty finally fighting back. Obama's Green Jobs agenda makes no sense at all. I kills jobs, increasing cost to the consumer and hence kills the entire economy. Just what they really want. It would create a terrible dependency on the Gov't The progressive movement is alive and well in Obama land. Damn isn't Sept yet.
Conflict in the workplace does not lead to profit.
Conflict in the workplace is the goal of unions whose sole reason for being is to extort money from employers.
Also, unions oppose technology and modernization, causing the US to fall behind in the global marketplace. Even the Chinese and Indians are pushing ahead with robotics & technological advancement even though they have cheap labor. They are working towards the future while American unions keep our industries in the past.
I'll buy that Joe… but you really must understand,….
It is totally immaterial as to…… who came first,….the chicken or the egg.
It's who is going to be around to sign the checks once it is settled as to who gets the most and who gets the least.
Boeing's new headquarters is located in the unionized state of Illinois, right in the belly of the beast – Chicago/Cook County.
There's a good chance our next new car will be a Toyota.
Ah, but they do (mis)represent the interests of their rank and file. How much of one's pay is siphoned off to the union and what does the union do with all of that money? If unions were non-profit organizations, I would trust them. In their bargaining for the workers, do they represent the workers or themselves? They represent themselves first and the workers second. They get their prime cuts, the workers get the leavings and are supposed to be happy about it.
The government and unions can whine all they want about Toyota – this consumer is going to keep driving her Corolla, and when that goes, I'm buying another one. Anyone can see this is a government/union orchestrated witch hunt, as is the continual vilification of Whole Foods and Wal-mart. I would say to Toyota: stick to your guns and do what you are doing to fix the accelerator problems, then continue to build some of the most reliable cars in the world.
I thought that , but last month I changed my mind. I've wanted a Jeep for years and finally bought one. I wasn't going to let Barry and the democrats determine what I could or couldn't drive..even by me boycotting Jeep. Jeep shouldn't even be the bastard nameplate in Chrysler, but it is and it's too bad.
So I bought one and I'm happy. I don't hate the UAW. I see that like hating "corporations". Corporations and unions are made up of regular folks. This is borderline class warfare and it's ultimately defeatist. The UAW, like the NEA are whole parts of the Democrat machine now and have been for 50 years. THAT is the problem. It's not the rank and file,… it's not the car companies.
Break the alliance between big labor and the dems and the anti-union passion is dissipated. So lets' address the problem. The democrat party is bankrupt and will do anything to win elections and hold power and take care of their own…. and screw the rest of us. This has to stop….. and hopefully this November will be the beginning of the fall.
Unions make our entire society less safe.
It's difficult to fire a union worker, even when his work is of very poor quality.
And the union tells his coworkers not to point out when he's screwing up, lest the union harass them for talking to management.
Unions are a huge impediment to quality.
You have drunk the union Kool-Aid so deeply you have completely lost your integrity.
Hmm, i think it's a case of the leader of the pack being hauled back. Don't think the government's got a clean nose on this one either – both the gov and Toyota ignored these issues for over a year.
I will not buy a union made Obama Motors car. Eat that, commie lib union Obama Democrats!
wow…you could take out the word Toyota and replace it with GM and it still holds true.
I got 260,000 out of my Camry with less than a $1,000 spent on repairs at the dealer.
Beat that with your American made gas guzzler.
Using your style of "logic:"
Ford has executives and has a profit motive. Therefore, neither executives nor a profit motive can be the problem.
Unions, specifically the U.A.W. have tried to kill the American Auto Industry for years.
Like I said, knee-jerk reactionary you are. This is on par with the "Left" who say corporations are out to POISON THE AIR. Cut out the shrill nonsense. What motive would they have to destroy their own jobs?
Clearly those recalls and how they were handled by the automakers triggered this most recent response. Maybe if the automakers had taken the proper corrective and preventive actions, and presented those actions to a panel for approval…..confidence would abound in Toyota handling this problem effectively.
Frankly, I don't know that Toyota isn't capable of handling it effectively.
It's like a gun license. I have to go through a background check to own a gun. Not because I have done anything wrong, but because other folks in the past have done something wrong.
You should be angry at Honda, Ford, etc for not doing enough to gain public and governmental confidence in previous defect resolution scenarios.
Being angry at the government for finally taking investigative action seems misplaced.
And yes, it is most unfortunate that a good company like Toyota is the end recipient of the action due to bad behavior by others.
As for 1960's , the union perks then didn't compare to what they are now. Do you think they should go back to 1960 benefits ?
I would need more information. Probably.
Sir,
If his work is of poor quality, that is a commentary on the processes the business uses.
If the processes ALLOW for poor work, without sufficient quality assurance and controls built into them or without mistake proofing….then blame the processes. Not the worker
A worker can only provide as high a level as the processes allow.
Stupid
Liberals
Utter
Stupid
Homilies.
And how is that relative to non-innovative corporate management?
Homily? really?
I worked at GM for 8 years, I can assure you there is no Gov’t / GM conspiracy. If anything, we (er, “they” – I don’t work there anymore) did their best to follow all the rules and play nice. The problem is there are a LOT of rules: from SARBOX to FVMSS to EPA to CARB to OSHA to emissions to CAFÉ to dealing with the UAW… The Federal government has decided it needs to regulate and control EVERY aspect of the car industry. A big problem we noticed is that our Japanese competitors did not follow the rules, but attempted to get by with the minimum required and for the most part flew under the radar. Despite what people have been posting on here, GM and Ford recalls made front page headlines repeatedly between 2001 -2004. Public scrutiny of these things does more to help a company’s quality over time than a hundred reports by Ralph Nader. In short, I wouldn’t blame this attention on the Japanese car companies on either gov’t or the union, but on them finally receiving the glare of the spotlight the other companies have been under for quite a few years.
http://hellgazette.blogspot.com/
What Ford was able to do was restructure their Union contracts and and the way they did business. That is why Ford avoided a bailout. The status quo was good for the Unions, but when the contracts were restructured, the workers took a pay cut, but kept their jobs. GM was meeting resistance in regards to a restructuring and didnt want to derail the SUV gravy train, so they shot themselves in the foot, not to mention the ridiculous medical plan the Unions worked out. I believe it was $22 Billion dollars. Unions were just one element in the fall of GM and the rise of Ford.
"However, I think under the new ownership we will see more commitment to the customer and a more socially responsible lean to the business practices."
Like we do at the IRS?
So do you agree with those facts?
I've worked as an auto supplier investigating warranty concerns for 20 years. It is true that Toyota "hides" their problems and their recalls with the backing of Consumer Reports who yearly gives the #1 spot to Toyota and the best buy.
I'm glad this is getting out in the open. That 911 call from those people in the Lexus with brake problems is truly chilling.
It's all about the Benjamins – it's all about the money. Corporations may say it's fiscally risky to bring in some types of innovations to improve their products or to streamline their systems. They may be more worried about the bottom line of their shareholders and their own investments. Union management is willing to make some accessions in their bargaining positions as long as their cut, their portion of the pie isn't threatened. So who is looking out for whom?
"I'd agree with you if GM were still run by modern corporate robber barons."
My original quote.
No mention of Ford being run by modern corporate robber barons.
I think that pretty much makes moot the rest of your worthless contribution to the discussion Einy and I were having.
Think you tripped AND swallowed your gum there, chitown genius.
JoS,
Sorry, Joe, but you are wrong if you think UAW workers do not produce vehicles with safety-related defects. It is just too easy to see your agenda.
The greatest threat to your family's safety is that you are driving while oblivious. Thank you for providing a bit of light entertainment.
Excuse me? You're not serious, right?!
So what you are saying is that the only way a car company can build a quality product is to so "idiot proof" the process that the sluggard on the line has no detrimental effect. The only way to do that is to build with 100% robots. Then we do not need the worker at all.
We just passed our ISO audit again yesterday. We passed with flying colors and were labeled "exemplary" by the auditor because our (non-union) staff followed the processes and practiced quality discipline.
I'm not playing your little game. Now, troll along…!
Troll along now…!
I believe that unions have outlived their usefulness, since laws, insurance, and the litigious nature of our society have taken care of the most important issues. However, I do not have a big problem with unions per se. My problem is when they start to think that the company exists to provide them with jobs. It does not. The company exists to provide shareholders with a profit. This requires sales at competitive prices with a standard of quality commensurate with the cost of the car. The company, on the other hand, must never take the employees for granted, and must pay a fair wage, or there is no incentive to work.
There are a great many reasons why the 1960's were good years (baby boom, end of the big war, booming invention cycle, low-cost GI bill mortgages, etc.), but unionism was not one of the more important ones. Given the fear of Communism at the time, union activity was actually suspect at the time, and as unjust as much of that fear was then, there may be more to it now than ever.
I've had a Toyota Corolla for over 10 years. Never had a problem. I will always own a Toyota.
120k miles on a '94 SR5 pickup- virtually trouble free. would buy another without a second thought.
my '84 GMC 3/4 Ton? in the shop 13 times in the first 6 months…
As luck would have it, Electronic Throttle Control was where I worked, so the “stuck pedal” issues they are having right now was near and dear to my heart (at GM, ETC engineers had the accel pedal and throttle body, since together they form one system). My understanding of Toyota’s troubles is there are two problems, one of which is the floor mat issue and the other a ‘sticky’ pedal itself. I haven’t been in these Toyota vehicles myself, but I’ve seen pictures of what looked like it could be the pedal getting stuck under the floor mat. This may not be true in all vehicles having the problem, depends on their cockpit design. This “floor mat issue” has been known in many cars and many manufacturers for decades (before there was ETC, in fact). GM vehicles have an algorithm in place called the “stuck carpet algorithm” to detect and deal with it, although they also try to design the floor pan in such a way that it is impossible. As for the “sticky pedal”, that sounds like it is a design flaw to me, but I don’t know.
http://hellgazette.blogspot.com/
BINGO
As luck would have it, Electronic Throttle Control was where I worked, so the “stuck pedal” issues they are having right now was near and dear to my heart (at GM, ETC engineers had the accel pedal and throttle body, since together they form one system). My understanding of Toyota’s troubles is there are two problems, one of which is the floor mat issue and the other a ‘sticky’ pedal itself.
http://hellgazette.blogspot.com/
I haven’t been in these Toyota vehicles myself, but I’ve seen pictures of what looked like it could be the pedal getting stuck under the floor mat. This may not be true in all vehicles having the problem, depends on their cockpit design. This “floor mat issue” has been known in many cars and many manufacturers for decades (before there was ETC, in fact). GM vehicles have an algorithm in place called the “stuck carpet algorithm” to detect and deal with it, although they also try to design the floor pan in such a way that it is impossible. As for the “sticky pedal”, that sounds like it is a design flaw to me, but I don’t know. CTS is a mfr of pedals, but the designs are usually car-specific and to the OEM’s specs. I doubt very much the same pedal is used in all those brands.
http://hellgazette.blogspot.com/
By “playing nice” I mean GM policy is to do their best to meet all regulations, laws, etc put out by the gov’t. This is difficult (sometimes they contradict physics, like the emissions / CAFE / CARB standards, when taken as a whole), but they really try. Our impression, confirmed from some colleagues who worked at Toyota and Honda, is that they are less, uh, honest in their adherence to the laws and regulations. As for the UAW, believe me that NO salaried people like it. It had a purpose decades ago, maybe, but is now a large, corrupt parasite that doesn’t help its members, and is helping to kill GM.
http://hellgazette.blogspot.com/
By “playing nice” I mean GM policy is to do their best to meet all regulations, laws, etc put out by the gov’t. This is difficult (sometimes they contradict physics, like the emissions / CAFE / CARB standards, when taken as a whole), but they really try. Our impression, confirmed from some colleagues who worked at Toyota and Honda, is that they are less, uh, honest in their adherence to the laws and regulations. As for the UAW, believe me that NO salaried people like it. It had a purpose decades ago, maybe, but is now a large, corrupt parasite that doesn’t help its members, and is helping to kill GM.
http://hellgazette.blogspot.com/
Same here. Currently own a 4-Runner. Not one problem. My friend put over 360,000 on his Tacoma. Changed the fluids, brake pads/rotors and timing component at scheduled times. When he sold it, he still got $2,000.00 for it. His nephew is still driving it today.
Ford is in the bidding for a high-mobility vehicle last I heard.
What is really chilling is that the driver was CHP! Now I am just a mere computer geek, but even I can figure out that if my life and three passengers are in danger to put the vehicle in N and get on the brakes!!!
That driver had someone call 911? BTW, it was an accelerator issue.
While we are speaking facts, how many "warranty concerns" did you observe regarding other manufacturers?
DOH!!! Great point!
Never owned a Toyota, always bought Chevys. But since the Government takeover I will never own a Chevy again. Don't plan on buying any new vehicles but if I do it will be a Ford 1st Toyota 2nd. 28 years a Chevy customer too.
Pearl Harbor! Americans can now be kamakaze pilots! Buy a Toyota.
We all have our dues to pay there Joey…….
and we all trip once in a while but we try to be better as a result of the experience……but in your case,…
I guess you are, by your rhetoric, still a good dependable union guy,.. and that's OK but just maybe…
You should look out the window there in Pitt and see how many steel mills are still open….
But you keep defending the union label there Joey. As for me, I'm hitching my wagon to a corporate robber baron. They are the ones with the checks.
Yours truly
Once a Union dues paying stiff
Chitown genius
Now this is the smartest thing said on this thread yet. If you have ever wanted a nice Camry now is the perfect time to buy.
It's not about the recall… it is about the cover up.
I had my suspicions. Isn't it funny that for all the bruhaha over "Cash for Flunkers . . . er, Clunkers", the companies that did the best were Toyota, Honda, Ford . . . not Government Motors and Schystler. Heard this morning Honda is having to do a recall for power-steering problems . . .
What the UAW wants, the UAW gets . . .
Oh! And a story completely UNreported . . . the EPA has had a "mercury switch recapture" program in place for some time. Manufacturers were paying auto-dismantlers and salvage yards to pull the switches and safely dispose of them as per EPA regulations. However, GM and Chrystler dropped out of the program, claiming that since they were "new companies" now that the government and unions owned them they were no longer responsible for those vehicles built under the "old companies". So as it usually goes, the government doesn't have to adhere to its own rules.
[...] Johnson writes on Toyota and the Union-Backed Government-Led Witch Hunt There was no government outcry and no demand for Congressional hearings over these [Honda and Ford] [...]
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last time I checked, during the buyout of GM, the UAW DOES own a significant portion of that company. That would make the union not only forceful thugs, but robber barons also, in your own twisted ideology.
They are run by progressive corporate robber barons!!
ford was busy making cars for Hitler
The issue here is that Toyota made a tactical mistake in using american made parts for their vehicles. Had they used parts made by their own company in Japan, these issues would not have occurred.
The other point is that yes, GM and the UAW are trying to destroy Toyota because of the lack of unions
Dude, just google vehicle recalls. Most manufacturers have recalls every year yet I don't see the gov't going ballistic over those, only Toyota. Why just this one time, what about the safety issues involved with the other recalls.
If you are so concerned with your family's safety then don't rely on Congress. Union workers do not make safer products just as non-union workers do not make safer products. Unions are more concerned with keeping their dues high then they are with safety. Whether manufacturing cars or the old PATCO during the Reagan admin, unions are only concerned with keeping the gravy train paying them even if (for some) it means running the gravy train off the tracks. The difference between GM and Ford is that GM unions would rather layoff workers so they can play the victim while Ford unions compromised to ensure more of their members continued working. Which is better?
Great description of union management!
China was hammered and forced to recall all kinds of dog food over a wheat gluten. China was then the leading holder of our debt.
Japan is now in the crosshairs of the recall monster and it now is the largest holder.
Coincidence?
How long is THAT list?
Let's see which American Allies has Obama managed to alienate???
England–yes the home of Churchill was the first to go!
France – Obama dissed Sarkozy soon after.
Isreal – Okay this is just a no-brainer. Obama isn't on Isreal's side. End of story.
Germany – Obama disses Merkel several times, the most recent being at the Berlin Wall ceremony.
Norway – Home of Obama's Nobel Prize–no lunch for Queenie or any other regular ceremony events.
I am sure there are many more…and now Japan.
So much for Obama being the master of diplomacy. And to think i almost bought (almost) that Obama was going to help America be liked more…
Hmmm, seem like this same idea was posited over two weeks ago (albeit with much less verbage.) Paragraphs nine and ten look especially similar. Credit where credit is due, no?
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/02/lahoo...
Didn't stop them from getting houses.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riMOguGPyV8
You're right on Tony. I've had 3 Toyota junksters and never again.They're high maintenance pieces of rusting junk.
Cowboy, you posted my sentiments exactly…We were talking about
this last night, and we were hoping Mr. Toyota would tell them to go
to H*&*, and not sit there and get bullied by a bunch of a*&H**es,,,
And if need be, close down his plants and take the jobs back to
Japan….
I know people who love Toyotas and USED to like the 4Runner – I would definitely bought one. However, they redesigned it around '03 and ruined its looks. I test drove one anyway and thought it had a cheap feel to it – at least for that price range. I don't know what the big deal about Toyotas is.
I will never buy a GM or Chrysler product as long as Odumbo has a piece of either company period.
I'm a long time GM guy and agree with you that Gov't Motors and Obamao can kiss my gluteus maximus!
Spoken like a good union flunky
At $30 plus an hour, I wouldn't mind working temp, making more than most people make working full time.
$30 x 20 hrs/wk = $30,000/yr with two weeks vacation at no pay.
Sorry, I don't have time to keep up with your union thug lies!
Joseph of Steel = Stalin
By supporting Obama, you follow the meaning of your name.
The Obamunists want everyone to join a union.
The UAW greed caused the downfall of the US auto industry and then reaped rewards thanks to obama. They are worthless
Wow, Joseph! You must live in Detroit!
As for me, after owning POS GM and Chrysler vehicles, I am the proud owner of a Toyota Yaris. And I will soon own a Camry, which I intend to buy to replace the POS Volkswagen Passat I've been driving. Talk about an automaker with LOTS of forced recalls! Funny how VW hasn't been in the headlines for the past five years. But my Passat has sure been in the shop!
No shouting required. Simple common sense only. When the gov't doesn't like what is said on a cable news channel then disparage and accuse them. When the gov't doesn't like what is said by protesters then disparage and accuse them. When the gov't doesn't like what is said by the #1 in talk radio then disparage and accuse him. When the gov't doesn't like what the #1 car company is doing then disparage and accuse them.
Same old lame system used in all three cases with media complicity, no different than past disparagement and accusations from the progressives.
Look for the UAW and SEIU operatives, smartly outfitted in brown shirts, to be showing up at your local Toyota plant or delaership.
http://libertyatstake.blogspot.com/
You don't have to be a successful American individual or successful American company to be on Barry's hit-list, if you are a foreign company competing with one of Barry's government union companies you are fair game. Does anyone seriously doubt that one of the many union meetings Barry has had recently with his progressive army didn't include this very strategy to take Toyota's recalls and turn them into a media frenzy aimed at damaging Toyota while trying to hype Government Motors as an alternative vehicle to buy?
Don't fall for it, do not buy American union made cars unless they are used cars so no new money lines their pockets!
I drive a 2010 Tacoma. I love it. If I had the money I would buy a Camry tomorrow for my wife. But of course her 99 Camry is still running to well!
THe UAW (and all union members) can KI$$ my A$$
I'm wondering if you wrote your own delusional rant during union break time or during work time Tony…….oh that's right, work time and break time are the same thing for a union worker.
Good job, Leadstate! You're absolutely right!
I, too, gave up on The Big Three after I bought a Chrysler (as a loyal Michigan resident in an effort to save Chrysler back in the late 70's). That car was a major headache for the entire time I owned it. But it depreciated so much the minute I drove it off the lot I couldn't afford to get rid of it. I even wrote to Chrysler several times about all of the mechanical problems the car had and was basically told to pound sand.
Several years later Iaccoca wrote his first autobiography. In that book he said that the particular Chrysler model I had owned was a piece of junk from the drawing board to the last car that rolled off the line. They KNEW it, and they did nothing about it. He even said he felt sorry for anyone who ever bought one. Well that sure isn't what his office said when I wrote to him about mine.
That experience, combined with the colossal ARROGANCE of the American car companies and the unions who oppose any and all improvements to the manufacturing process, are the reason I will NEVER buy an American car again.
What concerns most people is the lack of attention to other manufacturers like the engine problem in the 2010 Chevy Camaros ("A short could result in a no-start condition, cause the vehicle to stall without the ability to restart, or result in an engine compartment fire.") not being mentioned or blown out of proportion. Or perhaps their failure to mention the following: "GM's Vibe is essentially the same car as the Toyota Matrix, one of eight Toyota models the Japanese car maker told dealers to stop selling while it investigates possible defects that may cause the vehicle to accelerate unintentionally."
That is right out of the Democrat playbook, which I believe was written by Saul Alinsky.
I here ya. Only owned GM products myself, now not sure what will replace my current Chevy.
Perhaps someone should be brought to trial on anti-trust violations.
Maybeth did you shoot this vid? It's good.
I agree with you 100% StoryKeeper, I live in the Socialist Republic of Washington, in fact I live in Everett WA where Boeing is located and I too applaud their future move to SC to kill the multiple unions within their company here. Strikes are like an annual event here with union workers walking out and killing what was once the leader in the airplane industry until union greed bit the hand that fed them once too often. Anytime a company can kill a union they've gained a new fan in me.
I heard some quick mention by a guest on a Fox News show last night, I think it may have been Hannity, that some state, I think Rhode Island, basically fired all of their teachers recently to bust their union. I can't verify that, but they mentioned it and I was hoping to see a story pop up on it somewhere.
Not olny would I lay off the workers and go back to Japan if the Government get out of the car business, I would quit buying our debt if I was Japan. Its almost like Obama and Congress want to ruin/run us.
Obama gets to blame Bush and now the unions get to blame "The old company" I guess huh? It must be nice to be a Demo-socialist and be able to blame everyone else but yourself for your own failures.
Correction; Obamunist want to FORCE everyone to join a union.
My family has had Toyotas for 20 years. I have had mine for 6 years and I love it. We have never had any problems with one. They make good cars. Perhaps Obama motors should take lessons from Toyota and Ford if they want to sell any.
Dude, you're not even trying anymore. I know it takes time to be a troll but put some effort into it. This is just lame.
Conflict , Shmonflict, the gov't doesn't care. Its goal is to own ALL companies…
Toyota should find some hungry lawyers and have them look into GM safety issues. And like Spanky2 said, it is a great time to buy a Toyota!
I wish all you that want to buy a Toyota would do so, that is Darwinism in action. This isn't recent with the accelerator, its a ten year old problem, were just running out of crash dummies so its coming to light.
brian is the hottest guy in dc. so glad he shaved the beard. dang he should pose in playgirl. sooooo sexy.
briann is the hottest guy in dc. so glad he shaved the beard. dang he should pose in playgirl. sooooo sexy.
Please define PLAYING NICE. Unionizing maybe? Every aspect of this situation stinks. From ABC news to the problem itself. Have you even looked at the place matt to accelerator location? If you had, a little common sense would show you how UNLIKELY the events that describe the incident could accrue. The Pedal itself, manufactured by CTS in the USA is not only on Toyotas but on Nissans and GM products as well. Maybe Toyota see's this situation for what it is. A corrupted Paradigm Shift. It’s time to go on the offense and attack GM on a global scale, then maybe our government will then PLAY NICE.
Cowboy Logic, I would appreciate it if you would not display the American Flag upside down. I know what it means, and I understand what you are trying to convey. However, it shows dis-respect to our flag and our country…
Thanks,
A combat veteran.
Cowboy Logic, I would appreciate it if you would not display the American Flag upside down. I know what it means, and I understand what you are trying to convey. However, it shows dis-respect to our flag and our country…
Thanks,
A combat veteran.
With all due respect, I am sorry if it offends you. If that is the only thing you have to comment on, you have come to the wrong place.
The flag stays as it is.
Modern corporate robber barrons??? What are those?
Not more fat cats! God no, not more people making a profit! What will we do.
Class warfare at it's finest my friend. Administered by your #1 propaganda man, Berry. Make one class hate the other, just like the late 30's in Germany..
Please go back to your obama.net type sites or go get in line for your free healthcare. No one cares what you have to say here. You can't hold a decent conversation just like 99.999999% of liberals. It's your way or the highway. Well, go get on that highway.
I completely agree with your article. I'm generally not a politically minded person but I have been becoming more and more upset with some of the outrageous beatings that Toyota has been taking by the media (and I believe by the government as well). They have been and will continue to be an amazing company with a strong presence in the United States. Any mistakes that Toyota has made are regrettable, but errors are hardly unique to their company alone- why the witch hunt? Even with the recent issues, Toyota still has an amazing safety record and they are a brand I will continue to trust.
while i totally agree with all of this, Toyota still has a big problem with their hybrids & they can't figure it out. but many of their customers who are complaining about the Corolla & other models are just folks who don't know how to drive.
it's disgraceful how the media & the gov't are treating Toyota. they are only doing this to prop up their union thugs & i hope more people shine a light on their reason & expose them for the crooks that they are.
Ask yourself this: Why is it that down in little ole' Marysville, Ohio, Honda can build better cars than GM, pay their workers (who don't have to pay union extortion fees) MORE than GM, and still make a profit?
Yes, that's right: Honda not only pays UAW prevailing wages, they actually pay more. D'oh! Oh…yeah, it's that robber-baron thing, right?
Why do you union/socialist idiots refuse to see the truth? Unions destroyed GM, and a great deal of the USA's manufacturing jobs. PERIOD! Deal with it. Own it. Now get back to work. Coffee break's over.
I'm at the car show over the holidays in San Diego. Out front is a bunch of FAT ASS UAW workers with fliers declaring that Toyota was destroying jobs. Those fat ass worthless, can't make a decent car, manufacturing failures, are out front tearing down Toyota. I felt like drilling them with a baseball bat. The nerve of those assholes bagging on Toyota on my tax dollars.
Toyota isn't taxpayer supported. GM and the UAW should be out of business or configured a different way, except daddy Obama bailed them out with our money.
Screw GM, Chrysler, Obama. I will never buy one of their cars. We are currently going to buy a car, we are chosing between a Toyota or a Honda.
Have to be credit worthy to get the loan for the initial purchase. I doubt ACORN supporters meet the requirement.
I have been thinking the same! In thirty years my family has owned at least ten Toyotas an loved all of them. I would buy another in a heartbeat.
Obamacare is about the unions also. The unions are going broke and can't afford the Cadillac plans for retirees any longer and need to be propped up. So nationalize healthcare, create 111 new federal agencies of unionized workers and also unionize doctors, nurses and hospitals. All for the unions. Then do away with the secret union ballot (card check), grant amnesty to millions of illegals who can partake of the goodies and there you have permanent Dem majority rule. That's the plan. In the meantime, dump grandma and grandpa (and the infirmed) years ahead of time by decimating Medicare and determining healthcare based on cost, age and usefulness to society. This will also help solve the social security problem since Algore's lockbox is empty.
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Don't forget removing the missile shiled from Poland and elsewhere (I think Hungary) and suddenly a market opens for major Obama contributor GE in Russia.
I meant East Germany but the board is very slow for me. Am I the only one who has that problem?
I'll let my wallet do the talking. I just put my order in for my new 2010 Toyota Prius. I can't wait for it to arrive. None of the hype worries me. I'd be much more concerned about safety issues if were buying a Ford, a Chrysler, or, heaven forbid, a product manufactured by Government Motors.
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RICO!!!!!!!
What's the difference?
Are these kidding. Toyota is the best built car in the history. Drive a 200K miles Toyota and then drive a 200K mi GM , Ford or maybe a Dodge after 3 transmissions and see the difference. Toyota is the most reliable, low maint cost car out there.
I have been driving Toyotas since 1983! Never had a problem. I have a new Corolla and a new Highlander. Love them both. Out of millions of vehicles, there have been a few isolated incidents. No proof that there was no operator error involved, so stop the BS. Now that the government OWNS gm and chrysler, it's time to bash the competition that has been building the type of QUALITY vehicles the UNION shops in Detroit were incapable of making! The American consumer knew that if you wanted a vehicle that would last and not be in the shop every other week, Toyotas, Hondas, and Nissans were your best bet! Now the union THUGS that are responsible for high production costs, mediocre vehicles, and CADILLAC HEALTHCARE exemptions are trying to cash in. My next vehicle will still be a Toyota. Besides the quality and dependability I have come to enjoy, I will not support a THUG labor union that has TOTALLY DESTROYED the American auto industry. One more thing, the rescue of gm and chrysler was a sweetheart deal for the UAW, not the American investors or the workers. The villain here is the UAW, not capitalism. Another reason why I won't buy a vehicle built in Detroit!
I despise modern-day unions. Even more I despise liberals. Show me the way to the nearest Toyota dealsership.
At least this government hasn't taken away my right to select my own car. Yet.
Joe:
I cannot wait for Toyota to offer the next deal on any one of their automobiles. I will be there to purchase one, or maybe two. I have had excellent experiences with the Toyota line.
BOYCOTT GOVERNMENT MOTORS!!!!!!
That'll teach me to write so early in the morning! Please excuse my errors in typing. The meaning remains the same.
Unions add 30% to the cost of the cars they make with NO value associated. My daughter bought a union made 2005 Chevy Cobalt, and it's a piece of crap!
Ah yes. When you go into it, everything this administration does benefits one of Obama's campaign donators or a crony. It's pathetic and sad.
Makes sense when the US is being turned upside down. I'm assuming you'll show it right side up when common sense finally returns after November.
It's great news to see executives grow some spine and fight back. The list of lawsuits against the EPA filed yesterday was also impressive. If legal issues can tie up everything that the DC is doing, we should be able to limit and prevent a lot of real damage from occurring. There is so much more to do such as scaling back depreciation timescales and getting OSHA cut down to size before it will be truly worth making things in America again.
First the government inquisition, then the lawsuits, now both of our socialist leader's primary supporters, big unions and slip and fall lawyers, get their payoff. Boycott Government Motors, buy Ford or foreign!
Tru dat!
With all due respect, the country is indeed in severe danger – possibly the most danger since the Civil War.
Why All the Hubbub Over Toyota? Obama Knows…
Check it here.
http://www.kjzrradio.com/2010/02/why-all-the-hub-...
That's the union mindset alright – blame everything on the company. Union workers take zero responsibility for the quality of their output.
If they can get away with shoddy work, they blame the company for letting them get away with it.
Thank you very much for reminding us of the union attitude towards work.
"Last time I checked, union administration didn't run corporations. "
Union administrations run corporations into the ground.
Unions have always opposed innovation.
"Its almost like Obama and Congress want to ruin/run us. "
They do!
As crazy as it sounds, it's true.
The Obamunists want us to be completely dependent upon the government, which we will be if they succeed at destroying private enterprise.
Flying the flag upside-down indicates "emergency."
That's an accurate depiction of the country as long as the Obamunists are in power.
We try to shop stores that do NOT display union stickers near the front door.
Unlike you, I DO HATE the UAW – and all unions.
I would never join a union. I'd rather starve first.
Next time just use the edit button.
The Obamunists reveal their tactics:
Give as much control of the economy as possible to their party.
Reward the powerful special interest groups that got them elected.
Frankly I trust Toyota more than I do the bunch of theives and liars that are intending to investigate them.
Ding ! Ding! Ding! We have a winnah!
Why not? He aspires to turn this country into a modern-day replica of the former Easter Germany, formally known as the German DEMOCRATIC Republic.
Gee, the simple answer…..34 deaths and a need to pull teeth to get something done. Boy some of you are stupid. Ford was vilified for the Pinto, remember. The one Pinto thart exploded was rear ended at high speed, and had had its gas cap replaced with a rag, but the car was at fault…right? GM and pickup truck gas tanks that were rigged to explode got it bad press…but that was ok as well, right?
Unions are not the ones behind this, 34 deaths are behind this, as well as Toyota's crass indifference. Grow up assholes.
I'm no fan of da unions, but maybe just maybe the problem here is that Toyota told customers that problems didn't exist for months, to the point where accidents and deaths were blamed on the customer. God forbid the Toyota actually to have a major quality problem on their hands. Just because they're not unionized here doesn't mean the company is infallible to quality issues.
Not every issue in has to be about politics. That been said the hearings being demanded are simply moron politicians scoring easy brownie points with the public. They did the same thing with Ford and the Firestone tire/Explorer issue.
i am driving a 2009 Camry. It is a great car. I would not trade it for any of the "Obama Government Motor Company" formely GMC cars. Anything engineered at some times has problems. This administration is out to destroy our economy. Could we expect less from this administration given their record to date on the economy, global warming, cap and trade, deficit spending and Obama health care.
Alleged Deaths,
You might think about looking into a mirror before calling others stupid.
The defective Toyota parts are manufactured by a US based & owned subcontractor, who BTW also manufactures the same part for Ford and GM vehicles. Toyota is a stand up company that will not be controlled by the Feds, this is what the Feds despise more than anything.
This is retarded
A. The recalls are being ordered by Toyota themselves in Europe and Japan as well as the USA.
B. The cars and problems related to them are from 2004. So we are talking about a 6 year running problem
you would have to have the brain and research abilities of a 10 year old not to realize how much B.S. this is
I think it can be proven that the 34 deaths generally associated with this with a mostly driver induced and not associated with SW and basic pedal design.
If a floor mat messes up your pedal and you die-who is really at fault because you didn't have enough common sense to to put in it neutral or shut it off?
If a dog jumps out in front of you and you choose to swerve and die, who is at fault.
If you speed and lose control and die, who is at fault? Oh its the airbags fault…
And how can it be allowed to be designed to go faster than the speed limit…
This is never ending witch hunt and you can't fix stupid.
Plus you can't design small cars around supersized americans wanting to save fuel and feel green without problems like this. Thats why it doesn't happen in an F-150.
Bottom line…..you can drive a Toyota for 15yrs and 250,000….what domestic is capable of that? I worked for a GM dealer for 25 years….a Toyota dealer for the last 5. Flat out a better vehicle. I can tell by the amount of warranty work….Toyota has virtually none while it is a GM dealers bread and butter. Something they can ALWAYS count on for revenue. I am AMAZED by what is happening. Total BS.
" I worked for a GM dealer for 25 years….a Toyota dealer for the last 5."
Right. Let's see a check stub from each employer.
TONY…are you a union worker??? Feels like it. AND I do have checks stubs from both. Think what you like…but I have turned the entire family away from domestics to TOYOTA!!!
You know I became a full pledge Democrat because of all the 1/4 truths that would be rehashed over and over again making stuff up as it goes Republicans and there lies, Now I see (for the first time) the Democrats doing the same thing. Look at http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ and look at the 10 to one ratio of recalls, look at the fire hazards of the American made cars, that don't make the news. You know, if people want to buy an American Car, well God Bless them, I used to when part of my living was made by the big 3. But you know if you ask 90% of Toyota owners, they think, please just leave me and my Toyota alone, drive what you want, I like my Toyota, I don't spend anywhere near as much money on it as I used to with my GMs. You dont hear Toyota people complaining about there cars,Just leave us alone. The stupid few you do get to switch, they will not like there American car compaired to there Toyota, they will spend alot more money on it and they will see the old toyota owners still driving there trusty toyota and will only dislike ind distrust the big 3 more
I would only show you to the door. I only converse with ppl that have an IQ.
IAM A TOYOTA SERVICE MANAGER IN A VA DEALERSHIP I HAVE BEEN A MANAGER FOR 8 YEARS , BEFORE THAT I WAS A MASTER ASE CERTIFIED AND TOYOTA CERTIFIED MASTER TECH!!
DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW MANY TACOMA TRUCKS TOYOTA BOUGHT BACK FROM CUSTOMERS @1.5 KELLY BLUE BOOK FOR RUSTED FRAMES BUILT BY DANA CORP. A LOT
I HAVE SEEN TOYOTA STEP UP AND HELP MANY CUSTOMERS WHO WERE OUT OF WARRANTY!
I HAVE BEEN @ THE SAME DEALERSHIP FOR 40 YEARS I DONOT KNOCK ANY OTHER MANUFACTURE.!!! THESE ARE MACHINES NOT PREFECT BUT WHEN TOYOTA SEES A ISSUE THEY GET ON TOP OF IT AND DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO TO MAKE CUSTOMERS HAPPY AND SAFE!!! GET REAL PEOPLE! THIS IS NOT A PERFECT WORLD!!!
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Looks like Toyota has turned out to be the Chrysler Corporation of Japan.
Bottom line……………
Buy a Subaru.
Just what I thought. Another story spinner with no proof to show.
Actually Randy look a little deeper into who owner Chrysler and a good chunk of GM was Cerberus, basically a Republican made private company, entwined with the bush administration and previous republican Administrations, Bushs Sec of the Air Force is its CEO, Dan Quail is the Spokesman and so on and so on. But during the Bush Administration, GM was given BILLIONS every year since 2001 in money to open plants in China, while closing plants in USA, It was after Cerberus bought into them 3 years ago, right after that they said they needed the extra BILLIONS AND BILLIONS of bail out money and received. You had people retiring from positions on the Bush Administration to go to work for Cerberus and they get all of our tax payer money, so it was explicitly Chrysler, but allot of GM was bought with tax payer money, before Obama. People need to stop looking at this as a political party thing , There is right and there is wrong
Well knowing a person who works for Toyota in the upper pay grades, I heard Lahood started demanding to have his ass kissed and wanted all these corporate heard to bow to his submissions, like the freaking Americans are going to talk to them about quality (I am a 50s white American by the way) And the President of Toyota would not let him stand there and insult him would not meet with him. , to tony above me, Jesus, just leave us Toyota owners alone, if you don't want one, don't get one. You dont see Toyota owners trying to talk people out of American cars, THEY DONT NEED TO@ EVERY, I mean EVERY EXPERT in the world will agree that Toyotas are better engineered cars that the Big 3
You are too funny. It is actually the truth. Why do you care? And you're right…I wouldn't show you a check stub because how much I make is none of your business….but, how about a business card. Or a letter of recommendation from the GM dealer that retired to the Toyota dealer that needed a Controller?
I wonder what role the recent election of the new prime minister, Yakio Hatayama, in Japan has in all this? He wants to close the American military base in Okinawa…
toyotas r the best made car in the usa,that most folks can afford…
the uaw and fed govt…hate them……….
we r not gonna give up our toyssssssssss
As a kid in the 60’s and 70’s I watched my dad switch from US autos to VW’s and Toyotas because of relability. I have personally driven foreign cars ever since except for one GMC Jimmy (I got a “deal”), which was a maintenance disaster…big things and little things.
I didn’t need this article or this forum to figure out once again my govt is attempting to undermine free markets (in the name of protecting the people)…or to realize my Congress is once again weighing in on matters it has no constitutional authority to convene on.
True, but part of that has to do with the logistics of the recall. Toyota's recall involves contacting hundreds of thousands of car owners and asking them to bring their cars in.
Ford's recall consists of calling Gary, Steve, and Greg, the three suckers who bought a Ford.
True, but yours is pretty spot-on as well.
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The part in question isn't even a Toyota part. It's made by CTS in Indiana.
You Joseph are clearly a UNION STOOGE.
And you're a poopee head.
The union accusation may be true, but over the past several years, Toyota has recalled more vehicles than any other manufacturer…by a long shot. For too many years Toyota has been the media darling, having developed a reputation for quality when that is not the case.
Tony, If Toyota makes inferior products, they must have agents in deep with Consumer Reports, Edmunds.com and every other intity that reviews and rates cars. How is it that they have had less problems and recalls than any other manufacturer. Toyota has consistently been rated by all our American Car Magazines to be less problematic and have better gas mileage in actual driving (look at the latest Consumer Reports where they actually drive the cars, not the EPA that hooks them up to a machine and watches them). Every manufacturer knows how the EPA tests cars. Toyota is a company that builds them for Real World Driving, not for a big number on the Window Sticker. I believe Howie lies. Said the Chev Equinox gets 32. CR got 21…Also, do your homework. Toyota has never had a Recall that was government mandated. Toyota has initiated every recall they have ever had. Go buy a Chevy Tony, you'll be much happier.
It is so very frustrating that the Media doesn't tell that part of the story. Only cars made in the good ole USA have the pedal recall. We ask our customers to look at their VIN# and if it starts with a "J" for JAPAN it is recall free. I wish ANYONE would say that on the news! There is definitely a different agenda here. You stand a better chance of winning the lottery than your Toyota excellerating. ALSO, it happens over time. The driver can feel the gas pedal becoming stiff…the part fails due to wear (the American made CTS part). The car does NOT become suddenly possessed. The Media is responsible for creating fear unnecessarily. So much BS.
And return it in 28 days!!!
That's because they've SOLD more!!!! haha…take a look at the percentages. That's where the real truth is.
It is so very frustrating that the Media doesn't tell that part of the story. Only cars made in the good ole USA have the pedal recall. We ask our customers to look at their VIN# and if it starts with a "J" for JAPAN it is recall free. I wish ANYONE would say that on the news! There is definitely a different agenda here. You stand a better chance of winning the lottery than your Toyota excellerating. ALSO, it happens over time. The driver can feel the gas pedal becoming stiff…the part fails due to wear (the American made CTS part). The car does NOT become suddenly possessed. The Media is responsible for creating fear unnecessarily. So much BS.
Nice idea – My Toyoda and every other business leader with spine should be threatening to shutter plants around August or October. Also the Japanese Government should sell enough US treasuries that would cause major market impact on a day that the US schedules a major debt auction.
[...] Johnson at Breitbart’s Big Government raises the issue in, Toyota and the Union-Backed, Government-Led Witch Hunt. I don’t know if Johnson’s claims are valid. This is not the first article that I have seen [...]
During their previous 4 decade reign in Congress, Democrats perfected the art of extracting campaign contributions and bribes from people and companies they helped. They're just reverting to their roots.
How to kill jobs? See "Unions".
I just received the recall notice for my '09 Pontiac Vibe last week (built at NUMMI alongside the Toyota Matrix). You don't hear in the media that a GM car is also affected by two of the latest round of recalls.
Also, from what I know of these problems, I'm in no hurry to get it fixed.
I bought an '88 Corolla in '96 with 100k miles on it. At 160k, the timing belt broke (the original belt!). That was the only mechanical failure it ever had and really that was my fault. Belts are consummables. I traded it in at 200k miles and bought a '98 Rav4 with 2k miles on it. Sold it at 70k miles when I was transferred overseas. I bought a '00 Ford Mustang when I came back with 58k miles on it. at 160k the tensioner pulley went out and at 180k I had to put a new clutch in it. I got t-boned at 192k and it was totalled. I'm driving a '95 Jeep Wrangler now (started at 120k miles) but it has been so modified that I can't blame anything that breaks on Chrysler. All I ever did for any car I owned was change the oil about every 6000 miles and change the brakes when they needed it.
I guess my point, Tony, is that if you treat a car like crap it will treat you like crap. The fact that you've been through three Toyotas says a heck of a lot more about you than it does about Toyota.
Unions bosses prove just once more THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT WORKERS. Toyota employs thousands of auto workers who will be left without jobs as a result of their witchhunt. They just hate winners like Toyota and can't stand the fact Toyota' cars are infinitely better than GM's. But it should not come as a surprise; socialists breed on envy of opponents and malicious news spin.
I am just about to buy a new car and you bet it will be another TOYOTA, not a GM (even if they were the only choice), I would buy a USED TOYOTA.
As a non-union automotive supplier employee I will tell you that Toyota is at long last getting treated just like the Federal Government has always treated Ford and GM. There have been Toyota recalls before but the name used for the recall was the North American supplier even when the design was Toyota's and the problem was a design issue.
I voted for McCain but I have to give the Obama administration kudos for having the guts to stand up to the Japanese and treat them like they do the domesticate car makers.
Would the person you are referring to be the same one who keeps saying "I inherited this mess we are in "?????
I do drive a Chevy (and a '96 Saturn with 212,000). And a Ford.
My wife owned a Toyota when we were married. Underpowered, unreliable and very expensive to fix ($1500 for a brake job? Oh please grease me up again).
Screw Toyota.
Toyota may not be blameless, however the elements of this witch-hunt are obvious…except to the main stream media.
Actually look a little deeper into who owned Chrysler and a good chunk of GM was Cerberus, basically a Republican made private company, entwined with the bush administration and previous republican Administrations, Bushs Sec of the Air Force is its CEO, Dan Quail is the Spokesman and so on and so on. But during the Bush Administration, GM was given BILLIONS every year since 2001 in money to open plants in China, while closing plants in USA, It was after Cerberus bought into them 3 years ago, right after that they said they needed the extra BILLIONS AND BILLIONS of bail out money and received. You had people retiring from positions on the Bush Administration to go to work for Cerberus and they get all of our tax payer money, so it was explicitly Chrysler, but allot of GM was bought with tax payer money, before Obama. People need to stop looking at this as a political party thing , There is right and there is wrong. In all honesty, GM was well on its way of its goal of moving most of its operations overseas, before it was Obama taxpayer bought from the Republican private company using tax payer money. TRUE STORY. But I hate the fact they are going after Toyota and do NOT agree with Obama on this
I bought a Pontiac G6. Turns out that the brake lights were dyslexic. There's a recall for 8012 G6s because of the problem. Unfortunately, mine wasn't one of them. I took it to a GM dealer, showed them the recall notice and wound up paying 254 bucks for having a little corrosion removed from the body control module and some ky jelly applied. They even had the nerve to charge me for "diagnostics." Luckily, I'll be able to trade that POS G6 for a reasonably priced Toyota now that the trade wars have begun.
I think the media has been kind to Toyota for not exposing the frame issues.
Ha ha ha…………….someone better not be to tough on China! They might re-call all their money owed to them yesterday. As far as government motors, I won’t buy their products. Union or no union-they can’t make a quality vehicle that lasts without needing endless repair jobs. I have a 2007, bought brand new nissan-not one dime spent on repairs of any kind. Just regular maintenance. Unions don’t “help” their employees anyways. They get their members all riled up for more wage concessions only to take the higher wages in the form of union dues. And, we all know where are union dues are headed these days. Disgusting to say the least……………
one in the same
Thank You cathy, for reporting the specifics. I was curious, but did not want to bother my wonderful,
attentive toyota dealer at this stressful time. My vehicle (an FJ) has not been mentioned in any articles
I've run across, so far. We have 7 vehicles, ( stangGT, cherokee, Fd ranger, 2 Dg pu's, Chev subn)
from which to choose, but always end up taking our FJ because of the unbelievable comfort factor.
We bought it in 08 as our Christmas gift to one another & have enjoyed driving the wheels off it. We
used to take the Mustang for short trips (600mi) or less, but it has been stored for 2 years now with
only enough driving to keep the battery up.
Espresso…
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Tony, obviously you are the delusional one! What a crock of #&$^ for you to spread second hand bull when you have no knowledge of Toyota or it workings. I have worked for them for almost 11 years and have found from real experience quite the opposite of your LIES. Perhaps you work for one of the domestics or have some stock in their companies like our government. Us hard working HONEST people employeed by Toyota know the real statistics and what is going on here so we have nothing to prove to jack@##!# like you! Just to shut you up I'll go so far as to share some real facts though. Toyota over the past 20 years has had only 567 recalls, with Ford having 2691, GM 3275, and Chrysler 2132. Many of them caused THOUSANDS of deaths and burned down peoples homes yet we don't have blogs about any of that. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it along with the crack you are obviously on!
Interesting. I've posted links to Consumer Affairs, LA Times and others showing how Toyota has a history of well-hidden reliability problems, and how it also practices flagrant dishonesty when it comes to admitting manufacturing defects and safety issues.
I've posted those links 4 TIMES and they've always been deleted.
I guess there's no room for truth here. In other words, you can post all the opinions you want (especially anti-gov, anti-union) but those with facts against Toyota are not welcome.
I'd expect that from some LIB site, but I thought conservatives were all about prevailing with logic and reason instead of fear and name-calling.
I drive a Rav4….I love my Rav. I have had a GMC Envoy and my hubby an older Jimmmy. They were constantly in the shop. It took a lot of money to keep them running. I just maintain my Toyota and life is good! The feel of driving a Toyota is so different. Even the doors seem to fit better. This entire situtaion is out of control and far from over. I feel lawsuits on the horizon….Toyota vs USA. Conflict of interest being a big concern. Good news for you…there are NO recalls on your FJ. ENJOY!
Another outsider looking in. I have been on both sides…25 yrs GM – 5 years Toyota. Gm today is not the GM of our fathers. Profit first, then quality. They ran that company into the ground….I don't recall the CEO on national TV apologizing. Toyota does do things differently. Their philosophy is…take care of the worker and the money will float to the top. Not…take it now, screw the workers. It's a shame and makes me ashamed. Recalls have been around since the automotive industry began….and Toyota has never had these issues before. So, cut them some slack…perhaps they don't know the proper ettiquette for running a recall.. Prolly should have asked the Domestics for guidance!!!
Gm today is not the GM of our fathers. Profit first, then quality. They ran that company into the ground….I don't recall the CEO on national TV apologizing. Toyota does do things differently. Their philosophy is…take care of the worker and the money will float to the top. Not…take it now, screw the workers. It's a shame and makes me ashamed. Recalls have been around since the automotive industry began….and Toyota has never had these issues before. So, cut them some slack…perhaps they don't know the proper ettiquette for running a recall.. Prolly should have asked the Domestics for guidance!!!
You know nothing of my experience with or my knowledge of Toyota. Here's one for you. My cousin was employed by Toyota. He's a welder and takes pride in his work. Toyota coudn't care less about the quality of their welds, they just want product down the line and out the door. When he voiced his concern about how this might affect safety, he was essentially told if he didn't like it he could quit. So he did,
Has anyone even checked about the sudden accelerations of the new Grand Marquis? Too many complaints and data to ignore. But nhtsa won't even open an inquiry. I have talked to NHTSA and they just gave excuses that he wasn't qualified to make an assesment???? Then who is? He stopped communications with me.
Sounds like your 'cousin' may have been the problem…. ie : the faulty welds.
No, the problem is asshats who can't believe that the Japanese can be ruthless, dishonest cut throats.
I realize FJ is not, by a long shot, a popular vehicle in the Toyota line-up. I love this vehicle so
much, I'm worried it will be discontinued. In fact I tried to trade it in for a new one after only one
year, because the automakers in general were discontinuing so many models. Wasn't able to
make the deal in the down-turn economy a year ago. I would recommend the FJ to anyone who
is accustomed to driving an suv & may be bothered by glare or excessive sunlight into the cab.
It's a totally different driving experience, reminds me of the more enclosed feeling of the cars of
the 1950s. The roof of the cab is so far forward, & the position & angle of the windshield just
makes it completely unique. I'll be going in for my free oil change, in a couple of weeks, so I look
forward to speaking with my sales agent, who always makes the effort to say hello & visit when
I'm in the dealership. I have never been treated as well in any auto dealership in my life. These
folks at my dealership totally GET IT vis a vi customer relations.
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Posts like these and comments like yours remind me that I need not to take everything I read here seriously.
I find your lack of insight on the whole matter rather disgusting. I've been following the auto industry for years, been appreciative of GM's product development but knew their financial situation was unsustainable. They had it coming with the bankruptcy and yes, I agree it was a move to support the unions. But the fact of the matter is that these issues have been covered up for years amongst others. Akido Toyoda has nothing to do with it, he hasn't been on the job long enough and he was planning changes to the company's business practices prior to the media outcry (yes people, this isn't the government's thing, but the media's, the government only followed because dems knew they could gain from their handling of the issue). Like Tony said, this is only the tip of the iceberg. The NHTSA is under pressure and investigation right know because they've been hiring Toyota hacks. It's widely accounted for now that data has been skewed in favor of the automaker, that evidence has been destroyed in order for the company to thrive by the means you people don't know Toyota for. It happens, no company stays perfect forever and that's why we have a market to resolve these issues. For people that always refer to history, it's rather sad that you don't even remember Ford's issues in the 90's with the Explorer's Firestone tires. And what's exactly the logic here? The unions may be kept afloat but the bailout resulted in market share losses for both Chrysler and GM. While GM's pulled out in January Chrysler is still bleeding market share; and who's gaining most? Ford, Honda, Hyundai and the likes. Hyundai has to increase Tucson production to meet demand because of Toyota's woes. Hyundai is a korean company that manufactures vehicles in the US under both the Hyundai and Kia banners, and they're non-unionized. I'd also like to take the time to remind you that three Toyota models were being manufactured and still are to my knowledge presently in a UAW plant in California. While my comment is completely disorganized I hope I made my point clear: Stop pretending you're educated and that Toyota is this sort of heroic company when it's just another auto manufacturer.
We're not talking about the teacher's union or SCIU here, we're talking about the UAW, their power and influence isn't nearly what it used to be and their dwindling membership is a great example of this. Not only that, but they've tried unionizing a lot of transplants in the past (and sucessfully did on a couple of occasions – Mitsubishi is one I can think of).
Yeah, no.
I don't know if you noticed but websites like this one (regardless of their political affiliation) are always about a constant exchange of bickering, ad hominem, lies and exagerations. It's pure hypocrisy. We all claim to be reasonable but man, posts like this one remind me that we simply can't trust you with everything, that knowledge does not partisan hacks who cry wolf at every occasion.
I'm glad I'm more knowledgeable about the issue that practically everyone here.
Care to explain to us why it wasn't covered under warranty?
Yeah, your nickname speaks for itself. I'm sorry, but the only time Toyota's surpassed GM globally was last year. It has never been number uno in the US market. I don't know where you're getting your 'percentages' and 'real truth', but you're full of it.
Toyotas aren't what they were in the 90's in prior. In an attempt to maximize profitability and riding on their false reputation they've voluntarily cut corners during the 'previous administration' (the present CEO bares NO RESPONSABILITY, he's aware that Toyotas had become mediocre-quality bore machines over the course of the last decade and the product planning was going to change as a result).
I find this pretty hilarious considering both the manufacturers you mentionned have been propped up by their respective national governments plenty of times as it is. Keynesian economics at work (not approving, just saying).
I have no problem with you owning or buying a Toyota so long as you do proper shopping, don't come to me and claim it's the best thing in the world. Perhaps you perceive it to be that way, but factually it isn't true.
Ah yes, disagree with the almighty BG and become a union hack! Smears, ad hominem, oh the glory. Whatever happened to actually arguing?
Boo: Subaru is owned by Toyota.
There's a difference between uncontrolled events leading to crashes and certain death and uncontrolled events leading you to stop on the side of the road. Fire hazards are a common issue with automobiles in general because we're talking about something that carries fuel, burns it, and has a bunch of electronic cercuitery to go along with it. Not only that, but cars have more and more parts every year, thanks to the burden of regulation and the gadgetery we've come to expect trickling down to our cars.
>Implying Toyotas aren't under union labor
>Implying all D3 vehicles are made by unions.
You mentioned warranty work then mentioned they could always count on it for revenue.
Not only did what you said made no sense (upping quality reduces warranty work which reduces expenses for the automaker; the dealers are the only ones taking a cut here), but this implies that GM is the only source of their parts, which is complete spin. They used to be practically fully integrated but as the years passed they had to sell off bits and parts to remain in business. The only in-house supplier they have today is ACDelco.
Ordered by Toyota, mendated by the feds.
I don't know if you've seen the ads but they dare claim they stopped production for the consumers but it was a LEGAL REQUIREMENT.
And their US president was caught lying on MSNBC by auto site Jalopnik.
Ah, more uneducated comments.
Parts design is the responsability of the carmaker, for one. Suppliers only provide the technology, equipment and workforce.
CTS' plant that was 'held responsible' for the recall is in Canada.
The recall extended to more than the plant's production capacity over the years in # of vehicles affected.
Don't worry, they used to work at Toyota anyway!
I thought you folks were aware that the economy wasn't a zero sum game? If a player loses, another one gains.
Bring on the tinfoil!
Mitsubishi underwent similar issues because of perceived quality gaps (was fact, actually) in Japan and Toyota is having problems of its own at home because of this, similar to Mitsubishi's.
This is a repeat of the Firestone tire event.
Ah yes, it's the fault of American labor. Always has to be, always is. Nevermind that these parts were designed by Japanese engineers and manufactured all over the world. Need I remind you that this recall is affecting Toyota's operation all over the globe, not just the US. But of course, this is all part of a US-centric socialist agenda!
Come on guys, brighten up.
Ah Flame, as great common sense may be, it doesn't replace FACTS.
I OWN A TOYOTA AND WORK FOR TOYOTA.OUR GOV.MUST BE RELLY DESPRITE JUST BECAUSE GM AND CHRYSLER SUCKS SO TAKE IT OUT ON TOYOTA.WONT HAPPEN THIS WILL MAKE TOYOTA A MUCH STRONGER COMPANY.AT LEAST THEY TAKE CARE OF THERE CUSTOMERS.HAVNG WORKED FOR CHRYSLER I KNOW WHY THEY NEEDED YOUR BAILOUT.I GUESS THE GOV CANT HANDLE BEING 3,2ND TO TOYOTA
may you rote in hell
thank u and so will the rest of the world
You haven't been following this closely at all judging by your comment. Akido ToyoDA (not Toyota), who bears no responsability in the quality lags Toyota's been 'experiencing' over the last decade announced he would testify, as a PR measure presumably. The inquiry is only motivated by the media suddenly making a big deal out of the issue. Scare stories sell, y'know. Remember the Ford Explorer issues in the 90's? The US is too big of a market and too valuable of a market for Toyota to simply abandon it, your little fantasy can go on as much as your want in your head, Toyota's going to play the apology card while its reputation is shattered, the only way back to automotive supremacy for them will be with what Akido was planning to do: start making some good quality cars AGAIN.
I've been closely following the auto industry for nearly four years, I know Toyota had it coming as much as GM did when they were about to go bankrupt. It was only a matter of time before the media caught the scare they needed (the rusting frame issue on pickups never caught on, but it was a major safety hazard). The media in general doesn't report on all of the recalls regardless of the risk or anything, but with the CHP incident it became the perfect recipe for a scare story.
Ah yes, threaten another country with your own corporation's bankruptcy, such a grand idea!
Christ.
Chrysler hasn't gained anything from Toyota's debacle. This still lost marketshare over from 2008's dramatically low level.
Winners were Ford, GM (surprisingly, but their product lineup is no where near as awful as that of Chrysler's rubbermaid cars) and the Koreans, mainly.
"RELLY DESPRITE" That's priceless.
Sorry, I'm being too harsh. I take it English is not your first language?
And that you work for Toyota is completely believable.
"may you rote in hell"?
How exactly does one "rote" in hell? I know what "rote" means, I'm just having trouble getting the mental image here.
Got Literacy?
I have no problem with you owning or buying a Toyota so long as you do proper shopping, don't come to me and claim it's the best thing in the world. Perhaps you perceive it to be that way, but factually it isn't true.
God, please take some time to check the quality reports before opening your trap.
Buy your stinkin Toyota and let your kid move to Japan or China when their are no jobs here you Republican idiots. Next you'll buy Muslim cars. You are traitors and no nothing about unions and blame everything on them. Ford made 8 billion in profit just fine till Bush came along and wanted as gas guzzling cars as we could get.
Obamunism is just the current recycling of the beliefs of Stalin and Mao.
Boy are Republicans anti American. The United States is supposed to be a Union but it seems Republicans believe in stock money not working for a living money. The Fords and Chevy's and Doges Built this Country how dare you disrespect it and support Japanese over America. Unless you been in a Union you don't know anything about it. I watched shops go Union and before they were there were drunken bosses on the Job etc. People that blame the Union for their problems and why they cant support an American Product are uneducated idiots. I've worked in Jap plants too you work with a Robot and like a robot everyone has to look the same etc. They do not support our rights under the Constitution so stop trying to tell me how Great the Japanese are. There here for one reason OUR MONEY. Anybody that don't understand that is a fool. Why don't you go live in Japan you like them so much.
[...] month, Honda announced a recall of 646,000 Fit models “due to a faulty master switch that could allow water to enter [...]
First of all, most Toyotas are built right here in the USA and employ thousands of Americans not protected for mediocre performance by unions. Secondly, I hold two Master's degrees. Third, I have served honorably in the United States Army. Fourth, I was almost killed in a BRAND NEW DODGE, because the UNION NITWIT that did the brakes left a few VERY IMPORTANT COMPONENTS OUT OF THE SYSTEM. THAT's RIGHT, A BRAND NEW AMERICAN CAR! In addition remember how many AMERICANS were BURNED ALIVE by the FORD PINTO. How about the EXPLODING CHEVY GAS TANKS! THE FORD IGNITION SWITCHES CATCHING FIRE WHILE PARKED AND OFF! THERE ARE MANY OTHER DEFECTS TOO NUMEROUS TO MENTION HERE! Lastly, if you want to insult someone about their intelligence, you should probably double check your use of nouns, contractions, adverbs, and prepositions before you start RANTING about people like me being un-AMERICAN. The UAW is directly responsible for the GARBAGE that came out of Detroit. It's like eating at a bad restaurant. One bad experience is all you need! American restaurant or not!
Oh, and how has the great UAW and your fellow libRETARDS done creating jobs here in America? Don't blame success (TOYOTA), blame mediocrity and the environments that encourage it. Like the UAW, teacher's unions, SEIU, and the rest of the libRETARD unions. By the way, all my kids have great jobs. Want to know why? My wife and I made sure they got a great education, encouraged and demanded EXCELLENCE and reward, and made sure that they were ACCOUNTABLE for their success or failure. NOT THE GOVERNMENT! Something that is now lacking in our libRETARDED public education system, and GETTING WORSE BY THE DAY!
Thanks for demonstrating the inverse relationship between the use of caps and exclamation points and IQ.
[...] Brian Johnson points out, the new majority owners of GM — the federal government — have a bit of a conflict of interest [...]
Some of these vehicles didn't even have floor mats… must be another problem.
Witch hunt by government to protect there interest in GM and payoff by obama to unions. Plain and simple.
The recalling is not only a public issue now but will also become political evidence in the US. From the way government officials and Congressional Committees are involved in this issue it shows how big is the issue to everyone.
I STILL will never buy a GM or Dodge or Ford!!!!
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never happen those are obama's buddies
I am boycotting government motors the sucking sound you here is your money going to pay union pensions
When this is all over, Toyota will be outed as the corrupt, profit-first entity that it is. Whine all you want, Japan lovers, it won't change a thing.
i think it’s better this way
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Honestly the ploor mat issue seems a little far fetched for me as well… I have a Toyota Corrolla and the floor mat is short and cut to not be anywhere near the accelerator… don't think that is the problem.
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