Spit Take: Andy Stern Says Unions Don’t Cost Taxpayers A Dime
by Bret JacobsonThe most dangerous place in D.C. may well be between retiring SEIU president Andy Stern and a microphone, but the next-most-dangerous place may be as a taxpayer paying for his work. Now, in an exit interview with the Washington Post’s respectable liberal blogger Ezra Klein, the ever-controversial Stern has added one more wopper to confuse public dialogue, saying of organized labor: “It is the greatest middle-class, job-creating mechanism that we have ever had in America that doesn’t cost taxpayers a dime.”
Emphasis added, because let’s not kid ourselves: Stern’s statement is technically true enough, if the literal meaning is organized labor costs billions and billions of dimes. And that’s just in the private sector, which reason.tv has addressed admirably:
1. They cost too much. As USA Today recently noted, federal employees make on average almost $8,000 more than their private-sector counterparts. When you add in benefits, the gap spreads to about $30,000. State and local government workers make around the same as private-sector counterparts, but their health and retirement packages mean they make significantly more in the end.
2. We can’t fire them. The private sector has shed positions in response to slackening demand and the economic downturn. That sort of adjustment is painful but necessary, as it allows the economy to adjust to changing circumstances and workers and employers to move into new activities. Because it is guaranteed certain amounts of tax revenue and has a non-market mind-set, the public sector is largely insulated from such forces and keeps or even adds workers despite changed conditions. The result? We keep paying for things that we don’t use, need, or want.
3. They create a permanent lobby for expanded government and higher taxes. Look at California, where teacher unions have spent over $211 million dollars on elections in the past decade. One result is that 40 percent of California’s budget must be spent on education, regardless of the number and needs of students. Over the last 10 years, taxpayer contributions to public-sector pension funds has increased by 2000 percent! Such sort of tax-based gladhanding is just getting started. For the first time in history, the number of public-sector union employees is greater than those in the private sector, so expect to see even more lobbying for the sorts of mandatory raises and permanent job security that most of us can only dream of.
Those, of course, are among the direct costs to taxpayers — to say nothing of bailouts for the politically connected but economically maniacal UAW and failing union pension funds.






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We can only pray that one day these guys get what they deserve…
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Don't cost taxpayers nothing huh? Right. And I'm the toothfairy.
Just wait for Andy to get appointed to the Labor Relations Board or something like that!
…about that, Were you appointed under this current administration? If so, I assume you'll be sending my son a 1099 for the money under his pillow?
Organized labor- "It is the greatest middle-class, job creating mechanism that we have had in America that does not cost taxpayers a dime." – NOT!
Unions are the problem, not the solution.
When your members are semi-literate high school dropouts you can make comment that are far removed from reality and get away with it.
As I have written before, tax all union dues, at the paycheck, starting with 75% then raise the rate until it reaches 95%. Since they want to preach "fairness" so much, this will be the only fair method to re-distribute the wealth generated and captured by the unions.
Hey, Andy, just who is paying for the overpaid and bloated rolls of the public service unions? It's the taxpayers, you putz. It's a big part of the reason California is going down the tubes. It's the reason that Greece aside from rampant tax evasion has imploded.
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Obamao's executive order will cost taxpayers a ton of money.
"Taxpayers Take Another Hit from Obama; Administration Panders Yet Again to Big Labor" http://www.openmarket.org/2010/04/16/taxpayers-ta...
I wonder what Stern would say about the California city that was unincorporated due to the union contracts that broke the city treasury?
Oh wait, he was somewhat right! They went bust and the union gets squat! Justice can be served to the GREEDY!
Andy's never heard of the prevailing wage clause.
And after driving manufacturing out of the USA, he's courted the illegal aliens. He wants to unionize all chambermaids, busboys, night janitors and landscapers.
As Vernon Briggs points out, that's an attack on the low-skilled entry level worker.
Go peddle your propaganda somewhere else, Stern.
Unions whether in the public or private sector cost consumers big bucks. Their costs are passed down by both the government and businesses to us in the form of higher prices. No wonder he is leaving the seiu after siphoning off the money to pay for obama's win in 2008. The seiu is in financial trouble thanks to this idiot..
Unions are the reason our auto makers cannot compete. Unions are the reason factories are closed and jobs are sent overseas.
Public sector unions are the reason California is going bankrupt. Unions and the graft and embezzlement of their pensions by their leaders are the reason we have the heath care reform. HCR was a bailout of the union health care plans.
Stern is a bold faced liar and the number one reason this economy sucks,,,,,but not to forget the complicity of our elected officials and the disasterous effects of the CRA and on a longer term basis, the Great Society.
UNIONS should be outlawed in the public sector.
Unions have already cost us many more dollars. Look at Project Labor Agreements (PLAs) on public works construction. The constructions unions and politicians get these enacted and all work must be union. Technically, that is not what the agreement says, but that is the effect. Of all the more than 100 construction contracts on Boston's Big Dig, exactly zero were awarded to non-union contractors. In Boston, union labor costs about 20% more than non-union. That means we (the public) paid about a billion dollars extra for an all union project.
and the Davis-Bacon wage rates that government contracts require are based on whos' payscale? and add what additional cost to each and every gov project?
Unions are for those that cannot compete in the labor market. They killed the US auto industry and are drying up in the private industry. They've found a relative safe haven in the state and federal government, where their contracts become a cancer. Union wages and benefits are 44% higher than the private sector for the same job. What a deal, get 44% more in wages and benefits and not having to compete for work…
It just follows the meme…
Remember…Obamacare isn't going to cost the Taxpayers a dime either.
(Ignore the $600 billion in new taxes and the fact that public union employees cost the taxpayer every dime they earn, how do public unions get paid? That's right! Tax dollars!)
appointed to it, hell! he's gonna be CHAIRING it!
And when Americans got stuck with GM & Chrysler just who provided the money? That's right the 53% of American Citizens who pay taxes.
And we should believe anything this idiot has to say…WHY???
he is right, they don't cost taxpayers a dime, unions don't consider a dime money, they take money thousands at a time, but they don't take dimes, only franklins, possibly even hamiltons, what will they do if reagan is on money, will they refuse reagans?
And lest we forget last weeks news that all government contractors must be union.
I can assure you that the labor unit cost of union workers far exceeds non union. First, they get paid more and secondly they work way slower. Add on top of that Government Union Workers and shazam you have yourself the mother of all ineffectual economic models. Ever dealt extensively with government workers? On average the most incompetent, lazy anti-capitalistic people on the planet. I have a theory, that when times are slow for government workers, they slow down even more so that they can appear busy, thus their inept bosses won't figure they should be fired. Oh wait, they can't be fired. Public Employee Pensions (defined benefit plans) should be discarded. Let the have a 401k.
Allowing state workers to lobby state houses and legislators for more benefits is like allowing two separate species of parasites to negotiate how they will bleed their host dry. We're the host. The tax payers. This totally corrupt method of contract negotiation has to stop NOW!
In California these guys are costing us a FORTUNE. They have gotten the Democrats to jack up their salaries to unheard of levels, then guaranteed them pensions that would make Goldman Sachs blush.
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He's right, they don't cost us a dime. They cost us trillions and they cost us jobs and they even cost us lives.
And they hire illegal aliens, costing us even more.
Yes, they don't cost us a dime. I wish they did.
Unions were once a good thing, but the progressive perverts have fixed that up. Now they represent evil.
I am not speaking of the rank and file, but of the bosses and the organization itself.
Many rank and file are conservative but are forced to support the dimocraps since their union dues are stolen from them and used for evil purposes.
Commie Jews like Stern and the founders involved in the Bolshevik revolution "didn't cost us a dime" either,they just cost lives when they get their hands on our guns and property.
When the goose is killed; there are no more eggs. The unions will die of starvation.
I searched for the article and can not find it. I do not like to mis-state the facts. This may be what I thought I saw last week.
On Tuesday, the Obama Administration implemented a new policy — initiated by an early executive order signed by President Obama — encouraging federal agencies to adopt so-called "project labor agreements" (PLAs) on large-scale federal construction projects.
Some of the typical conditions demanded by unions in PLAs include monopoly bargaining, forced dues and fees for all “represented” workers, exclusive union hiring halls, and inflexible union work rules which strictly separate job functions into exclusive union jurisdictions based on craft
I think he meant they don't cost taxpayers anything beyond what they already pay in taxes. If California no longer wishes to fund public education and convert to a child labor economy, they should go ahead. I look forward to seeing Schwartzenegger frog-marched out of Sacramento by the FBI on racketeering charges were that ever to happen.
I don't doubt the possibility. Its just that politicos are usually more subtle than blatantly requiring it. Though I heard that day care providers are required to pay tribute to unions in Ohio and Cali. The PLA you mention are exactly like what I was referring to. You can't outright require unions, but they can implement rules that no one but unions can compete. This is a recurring theme that we see going on. The government claims to support free market activity, but then they create laws that make the markets biased toward favored businesses.
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They also jammed thru the SEIU in Michigan under Granholm requiring at home day care providers to pay Union Dues.
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Whoa, please. I refused to join the union when the rest of my shop voted to unionize, but I still have to pay them most of the dues. They are not getting my portion of the dues to pay for their support of left-wing baby killers.
More whining and class envy by all the conservative cry-babies!! We, feds, EARN our pay and benefits!! Quit complaining about others and take care of yourselves. If public employees have it so good, then maybe you should ATTEMPT to compete for a public sector job rather than whining!
Having been a member of two different unions during my working career, I find the need for unions overrated. They did serve a purpose when they first were formed. Now, they are just corrupt organizations who bleed money from their members.
when california fails – who is going to bail them out?
the fed better not ask the rest of us to do it!!!!!
unions are the disease that has infected government – they were effective once a upon a time not any more.
look at what is happening in greece – we are next.
If I might dare to ask, what does the communist POS Stern know about economics other than something he slept thru during high school??
Andy Stern seems to think he smarter than everyone. So please Andy explain all the government union workers in San Francisco government alone driving up the costs of government and doing business with inflated salaries and benefits.
Andy Stern is a communist and should be ran out of town. Doesn't it make everyone feel warm and fuzzy at how cozy our president is with this guy?
I haven't seen anything that states the contractors must be union. HOWEVER, the wage rates give an advantage to unions, and the associated regulations give an advantage to unions. ie:
apprentices must be certified. not unknown in non-union circles, but unusual and costly
control of ratios of journeymen to helpers, which further disrupt labor costs
must provide non-working superintendants, quality control, and safety personnel. adding extra costs.
When it just so happens that the unions get most of the work, well, that's just a coincidence. there was a time they did a service for a great many people. They have since de evolved into money draining parasites.
Revoke Ex-Order #10988 ,<>, Now!! Fire all of these Union Wotkers,<>, Now!! Then Start Over.
He must be a good friend of Obamas' THEY BOTH LIE.
Unions are nothing more then another corrupt arm of the Democratic party!
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Could Andy Stern have been the inventor of Kool-Aid???
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