These liberals that favor socialism should just be herded up put on a boat and taken to see Hugo.

I think that when many people hear "Socialism" these day they think about Western Europe and its Socialist Parties. This is hardly Castroism.

Well over 40% of the population do not pay taxes; why shouldn't they think socialism is a good thing?

Simple solution?

If you don't pay taxes you don't vote.

If you are on welfare or another government handout then you don't vote.

This stops people from voting themselves money.

36% of American's favor socialism?!

Good God! Are they insane! Really do these people read history?! The only thing worse than socialism is down right communism! Jeez it feels like my head is gonna explode. I'm gonna go take an aspirin.

But still! Really?!?! I knew part of this country is brain dead, heck a little more than half voted for Obama, but 36 percent?!

Okay I'm coming down from my shock but I gotta tell ya, this is one way I do NOT want to start a morning.

Socialism = entitlement/re-distribution

You can't make a poor man rich by making a rich man poor.

58% of those polled don't favor it. What's the big deal? That's still a majority.

Perhaps a better poll would be to ask them to define socialism. That's always fun.

The only reason a person would support socialism is that you cant compete in the free market, they should call socialism the Losers Party. Plus I'd bet the supporters of socialism have no idea what socialism is.

I can't imagine that this is a suprise to anyone who went to public ( or some private east and west coast ) schools or have had kids in them. There has been a co-ordinated effort over the last 25 years to paint socialism in a positive light. The efforts of the progressives are now being realized. We need to start pushing back and reclaiming our schools. If this is left alone for even one more generation you are going to see the results of a poll like this being over fifty percent. That fifty percent will be able to vote! Where will we be then?

It is incredibly ironic that those whose ancestors were most affected by slavery now want everyone to be shackled and toil away on the Democrat Plantation.

Considering that's the very path that leads down the Road to Serfdom, it ain't exactly comforting, either.

When are you morons going to realize there are no absolutes in life?

Some socialist policies work extremely well.

The national parks. The rights to access the use our lakes, rivers, and beaches.

And I suppose the republican Teddy Roosevelt was a socialist because of the national parks. How about it teabaggers, would Teddy be welcome in today's tea bag party?

God you people are stupid.

The big deal is that the number can always get bigger. If that many can believe it this soon after the Cold War, 51% very well could one day in the not-so-distant future.

The above posts make a good point – anyone thinking positive about socialism isn't thinking about how would it work here. You can compare Venezuela and Norway for a good comparison on how an idea can and can't work. I don't think socialism would work here – the government's useless as it is!

thanks to the current youth — the lost generation of public school educated americans — brainwashed by teacher unions, Sal Alinsky marxists community organizing tactics — e.g., Che, Mao, Marx et al…………..and then further reinforced by our Colleges and Universities all across USA……how did we let this happen???? Oh, I forgot…..we were all working extra long hours to make enough money to put our kids in the best schools…never knowing we were sending them to Marxist boot camps (public schools) every day. Shame on us, now we have to fight the system to stop this madness…………………take back our freedom.

This simply reinforces what we already discovered when Barack Obama was elected. A majority of Americans are clueless when it comes to politics. Much of this may have to do with the fact that our schools are teaching less and less about these subjects. Classes like "civics" are becoming a thing of the past and so having so little knowledge of the political processes and systems the younger generations are far more naive and easily dis-informed.

Perhaps if our educational system were as "comprehensive" as some of the bills our "representatives" try and force on us, the voters would considerably more discerning and free thinking.

Well there are lot of different reasons people identify themselves as conservative. Not everyone associates conservatism with free markets first and foremost. For the more religiously based, it might make sense. Socialism has always found a degree of sympathy from Christian philosophers.

I would love to see the same graphs used to show donations to charity.

Not to correct someone as smart as you, but Teddy was a progressive RINO. His policies, while not all bad, were mostly socialist. He is the one that started us down the path to socialism. Do I agree with national parks, nope, its not in the Constitution. Do I believe in state parks, absolutely. Read the Constitution and then you'll know that there is no room for socialism in the federal government.

Would that include those on Social Security?

Ponder a bit, before you answer that question, but here's a hint to steer you in the right direction…………most people over the age of 65 know what Socialism is and don't like it.

The rich pay taxes, you moron!

Sure, some pay less taxes than you think they should; however, it all depends on just WHO you want to call "rich". Obama and Biden believe that "rich" starts at those earning, depending on which speech they're reading, $150,00, or $200,000, or even $250,000 a year. That's NOT "rich" and it isn't even UPPER MIDDLE CLASS.

The top 10% of tax payers ( which includes those making about $200,000 a year, which includes bank interest, BTW ) pay most of the taxes.

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If democrats could stay in school and out of jail, they wouldn't need so much free stuff from the government.

Greedy people are the ones who sit on the couch smoking dope waiting for the government check to arrive.

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The sad fact is that there are a whole LOT of illeducated stupid out there. They don't know any history, political terminology is completely out of anything they know, let alone understand, and they just don't pay any attention to the news.

A question I would like to see added to this poll.

Do you have a favorable impression with Socialism if you are NOT one of those in charge?

I think most of those with a favorable view of socialism are assuming that they will be in the "more equal than others" part.

That effort, in schools, goes back much farther than just one generation, or 25 years.

You're wrong about the best of private east coast schools ( I don't know enough about west coast ones to talk about them ) , many of which still not only teach the Constitution, but also the FEDERALIST PAPERS and the ANTI-FEDERALIST PAPERS, as well as far more than you know about.

Even MORE important than trying to get change in schools, parents need to stop abrogating their jobs and teach their children what's what !

That would make it a better poll, I agree.

Yes, harpy, every one of your replies is stupid beyond compare!

Without personal attacks, tell me how what they set up is wrong. Also, please identify a BETTER basis for a system of government.

Bob:
I think Haiti is in need of new leadership…perhaps we could round up all 62 million Libs who voted for the "One" and their childen, give them a one way ticket, never permit re-entry to the USA and, Ba-Da-Boom Ba-Da-Bing!
Those poor folks down there need some help and are quite used to the "nanny state"

You're right about it going farther back than 25 years. And I wasn't lumping in all prive schools, just some. Just like there are still a few public schools that teach responsibly. Luckily here in the South they are still around but are becoming fewer and fewer.

Could, but don't currently. I guess I'm a uh…. cup is half full person? (I think that's how that idiom goes.)

There ARE absolutes in life, jharp.
There's "absolute zero", for instance; the temperature at which molecular motion stops.
There's "absolute stupidity"; this is often demonstrated here by folks like yourself who manage the saturation of a comment with name-calling, non-sequiturs and factual errors made while completely missing the point of an article.

Go back to the basement and stop teabagging your dog.

Agreed. Any time I bring up the absolute failure of every socialist and communist government, I only get reassured that "they weren't doing it right". Of course they weren't doing it right. The only way to get socialism right is to not be human.

No one cares what you think something might mean in your fantasy land brain. It's a poll. There are numbers. they asked a question and got some answers. End of story.

Apparently not.

Good schools are disappearing in the South, as fast as they are everywhere else.

Did you see what they want to do in one of the Carolinas? Sorry I forget which one, I didn't pay attention to whether it was North or South. Instead of teaching American history, from the beginning, in 9th grade, they want to begin it in 1877…………….1877, for crying out loud!

Thomas Dewey was behind pushing Socialism, as well as such crackpot notions as doing away withe bothering to teach penmanship, because he claimed that everyone word be using typewriters, of all things and THAT was more then 100 years ago.

I beg to differ. There may be absolute zero, and something like the speed of light may also be absolute, but there is probably no absolute stupidity.

Just when you think jharp has reached the pinacle of his abusiveness and idiocy, he'll find a way to surpass previous behavior.

Keep making posts dude. It's just you give such a fine example that the stupidity of pro-Socialists is beyond reproach.

Ladies and gentlemen, the first strawman of the thread.

I am in favor of democracy. And democracy is an evolving concept. First – just white males with property – then – all white males – then – all males – and then finally – all people. And at each step we have had to fight for increased rights. 1776 does not totally encompass the founders of the American democracy. These founders also include Fredrick Douglas, the Abolitionist and Martin Luther King. And my founders include Susan B. Anthony – the feminist and leader of the effort for women's vote. And my founders include Walter Reuther and the hundreds and thousands of leaders who founded the labor movement and gave working people a fair shake. And I am for the expansion of democracy to include economic democracy as well as political democracy. It is part of the expansion and evolution of democracy. Something our founding fathers in 1776 never contemplated and never could have contemplated.

There have been red blooded Americans who have believed what I believe since the beginning our country. If you don't realize that – you are not looking around.

I don't think my last comment posted, if it did I apologize in advance for the double post. The article said, "Respondents were not given explanations or descriptions of the terms."

It's not too bad until the birth rate drops so low that you have to import unassimilated Muslims from places like Algeria and Turkey to fill in the work force and wake up one day to find your country has disappeared and you're basically a stranger in your homeland.

It's not too bad until you have a permanent 10 percent unemployment rate because your population would rather sit around on the dole than take an entry-level job.

It's not too bad until your entrepreneurs are the first ones who emigrate because they believe they can make a lot more money starting a business in Dubai or Hong Kong or Costa Rica.

Western Europe is absolutely the wrong model. We're probably better off being Venezuela – at least if you're Venezuela the people get fed up and have a revolution in relatively short order. Western Europe is more like a slow death.

tell him that's what goes to the "Obama stash."

Ask them if they like Hitler or Stalin or any of the other Socialists / Dictators / Marxist and then ask them the question!

I really distrust Gallup as a reliable pollster and have for several years. They never really disclose how the questions are framed to those being polled. In this case they didn't seem to do a random sample or disclose how they chose their sample upfront. They said national sample, but what states and cities did they call? How many from each of these locations? They can easily skew the results to make something look like a popular trend if they choose to, all they have to do then is get the dis-info passed into the media. Few people question how these surveys are conducted or hold them accountable for honesty. The media just passes it off as valid without question. I suspect your generation is going to be ok. If your generations is not ok then we are all screwed. I was born at the end of the baby boom generation, do you know how tired I have been steppin in the poop some of those asshats have left for the rest of us?

Maybe you're right. I may have wanted to use "consistent" instead of "absolute". I think I could still say that jharp's comments are absolutely, consistently stupid, but maybe it is more proper to say that they are consistently absolutely stupid?

I wish Wm F Buckley were around to be asked.

Hoping to bang a hippy chick probably.

Yeah, like Alger Hiss, Julius Rosenberg, Tom Hayden…wait a minute…

Your reasoning that a Public Park is by definition socialism is a canard.
A police department is not socialism. A Government building is not socialism. A road is not socialism.
All of these things existed in Ancient Greece. In Monarchies. And in Totalitarian states.

Is it the policies the the president is trying to enact or the social policies already enacted that are the problem.
I am sure there are quite a few socialist policies you people are happy to have.

1. government regulation of utilities. unless you would be happier with your power and water provider being able to raise their rates whenever they saw fit to do so.
2. social security. i am sure there are quite a few on here that know someone on social security. would you be ok with it being taken away?
3. OSHA. Who needs work place safety.
4. The FCC. I personally could do with out this one. i can monitor what my kids watch on tv. i dont need the government to decide what is and what isn't appropriate.
5. Labor unions and minimum wage rates. Should employers be able to pay as little wage as they want?
6 cancellation of Third World debt. (not a policy but something the socialist party would like to see happen)
7. federal investment in both urban and rural development. this would include baseball parks, basketball stadiums, recreational parks.

Many of these things exist in America today because of the long term organizing and influence of progressives and socialists (not the same thing by the way).

OK Jharp you win

Thank you Carl for Yellow Stone Park, but please NO Gorky Park for us.

Well, Bookman, I hate to break it to you, but if they WEREN'T ALIVE during the founding of the nation it is a foolish anachronism to call them founders.

Also, YOU are the one who sounds like the racist here. Seems like you're implying that blacks are incapable of living without the help of Big Brother. It's really no surprise, this insidious form of racism has always been just under the surface of the progressive movement.

If you need an example, I give you Stalin.

You mean like just walk over to the horse, open his mouth and count his teeth.

But than what do we do with Robert's philosophy degree.

My guess if Bookman is a young person, he/she was probrably
not taught much history, and if he/she was taught history, it was
skewed, and not factual……..

Socialism is also an evolving concept, and unfortunately, it evolves into the oppression of and mass murders of human beings.

Oh, well, gee Bookman, since in "Bookman's Playhiuse" we get to invent our own Founders instead of seeing what HISTORICAL FACT says about who the Founders ACTUALLY WERE, then MY "Founders" are going to be the original REAL Founders, enhanced to include this totally awesome lineup:
Glenn Beck
Mr. T (who pities you, fool!)
Christopher Walke
Jesus
Wayne Gretsky and Ray "Boom Boom" Mancini
Sarah Palin
Todd Beamer

Seriously, though- substituting history with your own version of "reality" is totally weak and makes you SUCH a douchebag.

Occam's Razor. There ya go. It's always about bagging the chix.

Sure, ask a group of socialists if they like socialism and what types of numbers do you think you'll come up with?

I would say, then, that the 36% of Americans who 'heart' socialism should relocate SOON to a socialist country. And we'll help them pack and move them for free ONLY if they promise not to return. Deal?

My guess is that Bookie isn't an American at all, but if he/she is one, he/she is stupid; not just ignorant.

And yes, that poster has to be very young; though he/she could also be a case of atrrested development. ;^)

proposal at this point

see: http://bigjournalism.com/bmccarty/2010/02/02/did-...

You're a female, right Bookie?

You're also rather young and badly educated.

Red Diaper baby, are ya, or were your parents just brain dead hippies?

You lack adequate punctuation skills, so one of your sentences makes no sense at all and your "understanding" and usage of the word "democracy" makes you look worse than foolish.

Oh, so now YOU are "smarter" than the FFs, are you? Not in this universe, you bleeding moron !

I bet that you believe that the Constitution needs to continually be "fixed" don't you; that it gets out of date and only you and your ilk can "fix" it all. LOL

Thanks, I thought that it was North Carolina, but didn't want to post that and look the fool, should my memory have crashed.

Yes, I know what they claimed; however, that claim is patently ridiculous and, as you stated, it IS only to get more control and be able to brainwash the kiddies even more, with lies and propaganda.

Now, you may not agree with my view of history but I think I could challenge you to a history quiz. The key matter, of course, is not the events but how one interprets them. History is always viewed thru the lens of who you are rooting for. I think we are rooting for different people. I root for the slaves who were brought from Africa. And I root for the Quakers and Abolitionists who opposed slavery. And I root for the people who stopped child labor in this country. And I root for the people who opposed the poor wages and working conditions of industrialism and formed unions. And I root for those who register the unemployed to vote. I think you know in your heart that we root for different people. Perhaps even a different America. But America nonetheless.

Just for the record, my family came to this country in 1652 and settled in what at the time was New Amsterdam. And I have two children, 24 and 16. We go to Church. We pay our taxes. But we do not see the world the same way that you do. I read history thru a perspective that you will never understand unless you decide to get to know and stand with some of people of this country who do not have power or influence.

Excuse me, you obviously don't realize that I was using the concept of "founders" metaphorically. And America is the ultimate metaphor. America is becoming. America is not just what it was in 1776. And America is not just what was written in the Constitution. America is an aspiration for that which is better and more just.

Give a man a fish, he has dinner. (socialism)

Teach a man to fish, he can feed himself for the rest of his life. (conservatism)

He's from MediaMatters. Smell the lotion?

My MM meter went off…………………………LOL

Is your Magic Progressive De-Coder Thesaurus for sale?! I think I need one to help make sense of those who double speak with all their so called brilliant observations. Economic democracy…let me guess – Redistribution of Wealth.

Bookie……………….you didn;'t answer any of my question, so I'll ask you again:

ARE YOU A RED DIAPER BABY?

ARE YOUR PARENTS OLD HIPPIES ?

ARE YOU A FEMALE?

Nary a one of theses queries are precluded by what you claim your ancestry is, nor your church going.

One more question…………………….are you married, separated, or divorced ? And yes, that question IS relevant !

Actually folks should learn what a "Progressive" is to start with I have started educating in another forum. If you are interested.

There go the liberals, yet again

Thanks, OCG !

That poster is an elitist snob, who is uneducated, no matter where he/she went to school !

Anyone can type any damned thing about themselves, on line, so we all need to take personal revel,ations, such as the ones Bookie made, with a grain of salt.

OTOH, yes, the Constitution, the Bible, and probably a whole lot else, are mutable, as far Bookie is concerned. The fact is, they really aren't ! Oh, the Constitution is ammendable, just NOT shredable.

In 1856 or 1860 I would have been a Republican. Republicans were the progressive party then. The Democrats supported slavery. The leaders of the Abolitionist movement were Republicans. And most African Americans were Republicans until the Great Depression. And they have been 95% Democratic ever since.

You are right, I would recommend, "A People's History of the United States" by Howard Zinn. And I would also recommend, "Labor's Untold Story".

Words, terms, and phrases have set definitions; you can't change them on a whim, Bookie, to any old thing of YOUR choosing!

The term "FOUNDING FATHERS" applies only to the men who were personally involved in the CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION in Philly, with writing the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence and with our earliest government. You can't use that term in any other way, nor even stretching it to be a "metaphor".

Neither is "AMERICA" a "metaphor"; it's a nation.

No, America isn't what it was in 1776; it wasn't a sovereign nation, yet, in 1776…….. you mordant idiot !

And YOU want to have a contest with me, with the topic being HISTORY ?

REALLY ?

Are you enjoying being publicly humiliated ?

Sue whatever schools you've ever gone to………………….you don't know what the average fifth grade New Yorker used to taught !

"America is not what was written in the Constitution. "

HUNH?

Our Constitution is a bio of America, a diary, a factual treatise on what America was like when it was written and not a code which lays out the rights of the people and states, as well as what governmental rules ?

"America is an aspiration……………………." ?

Come on, fess up, you're really a 13 year old snot nosed kid, pretending to be an adult.

I had become aware of this in the past and it's in line with all BO's other dumb and America destroying agendas. Charities are already hurting so of course in BO's world it makes perfect sense to place many of them in even greater peril. I honestly just can't understand this one, it's so illogical, unless you have a deep disdain for anyone who has money and places some in a charitable fund – which people then view as yet another 'loop hole' for the rich – when in fact, it's a vehicle to keep some of their money vs. being taxed to death, and then having the ability to donate to the causes they feel are in need. I won't even attempt to give an opinion of the mortgage deduction fiasco -

Oh I agree there. It's just with the headline and then a majority percentage of the poll disliking socialism…. I take that in a positive light. Especially when you consider how polls often mean nothing.

Goodnight all. It has been fun (and I did enjoy it). Some of the posters on this blog need to chill.

You're NOT a female?

If you aren't lying, you are THE most unmanly male poster, I have EVER seen, on line, in 14 years and I'/ve seen some doozies!

Thanks for the answer, but they're pretty hard to believe, given what you have posted.

Add to the list Unions – no I am not happy or thankful for the on-going growth and power of unions

And "the sun" is a metaphor for things I like that are warm, like toast, or a cat.

Yes, America changes, but it's PROMISE should remain the same:
Liberty. Freedom. Self-sufficiency. Ingenuity. Honor.
The Constitution makes America "America".
As for "more just", I'm afraid to know what YOU consider to be "more just".

The guy is a troll, plain and simple. Arianna Huff -N-Puff sent his Commie butt over here to stir the pot. Pay no mind to the no-minded.

There's also a HUGE difference between CHARITABLE giving and being FORCED to "contribute"!

How many responders even know what socialism actually means? poll is meaningless because of this unknown variable.

Sure he's a troll, but whether he will ever admit it or not, I shredded him and humiliated him, with both hands tied behind by back and with knowledge I acquired in the fifth grade. LOL

Ugh for sure. It's amazing how many people are in favor of an idea until they realize what the ramifications are for following through on the idea. I would guess that 1/2 the people in favor have no clue what the negatives are, their liberal bleeding hearts just want things to be "fair".

After we got our paycheck stubs today, a gentleman that sits in a cubicle across from me at work today went into a tirade about how much of his tax money gets taken away. So you have a clear picture, he's black and had a newspaper picture of Obama winning his election hanging in his cubicle for several months after he was elected. He's smart, raises a family, and makes a decent living.

He was so upset and fully voiced his extremely negative opinion about how so much is taken out and, even worse, that none of it really goes where the govt. says it's going to go. He said "I never get anything! I never see a penny of this!"

A group of…lets say "non Obama voters" that make up all the rest of us on the team at work were all sitting around him. He said "I never get anything! I never see a penny of this! Where the hell does it all go?" And I kinda laughed and said "to other people obviously" and the rest of us slapped ourselves in our foreheads and wondered how many more regular hard working people voted for Obama not having a clue what they were really voting for.

Helping other people really does go to the heart of what America is, but there is such a huge difference between giving someone "a hand up" and "a handout". It's truly sad that so many on the left are content holding eachother down. And they think we're the bad guys…

How does this invalidate anything? These people are pulling handles at the voting booths all across America. That's as "valid" as you could ever ask for! The fact that they seem confused to you does not prevent them from voting.

The ultimate goal of Socialism/Communism is to become the dominant philosophy on the planet. You gotta break a lot of eggs to make that omelet. Why did you think we were in Vietnam? Oil?

Go watch some more cartoons, moron. They might improve your IQ.

"When are you morons going to realize there are no absolutes in life? "

Don't look now, dumb ass, but you just uttered an Empirical statement. Way to make a fool of yourself in a single sentence!

"the government's useless as it is! "

That's because we are well down the road to full blown Socialism. This is what it looks like! You're LIVING IT! Take a whiff! It stinks, doesn't it?

Sometimes you shoot a deer because you need the meat, and sometimes you do it just because you can. Nice shot!

I know this is hard for you to understand, but some people actually mean what they say and say what they mean. When we say we don't want socialism, that means ANY socialism. Take your programs like Social Security , Welfare and Medicare and SHOVE THEM where the sun don't shine! I don't need a nanny state to take care of me or my family IF I'm allowed to keep what I earn.

The Federal Government's job is to maintain the Interstate transportation system and provide for the common defense. Period. Nothing else. Read the Original Constitution.

Scarier still is 20% of conservatives have a favorable view of socialism…which actually makes me doubt the veracity of this poll. What conservative could support socialism?…the very fact that they would means they are NOT conservatives.

So shooting trolls is sport – game on!
I'm not so skilled at it, they annoy the crap out of me much like attempting to have a conversation in person with one who won't stop blabbing long enough to listen.

You are a complete idiot! it does have relevance. The libtards are not educating our fat, lazy youths about AMERICAN history. Think it thru will ya?

Aw, did we hit a sore spot. I've an idea; gather up all of your liberal troll friends and the rest of the Dumbocratic scum who voted for Hoax & Chains…. we'll all chip in an buy you a one way ticket to Haiti so you can set up your progressive utopia there. those folks aree used to the nanny state and you pukes will finally feel like you have some self worth. Yea! we're all happy now. But, one last chance for you; try reading American history. Then compare it to the writings of Morons like George Bernard Shaw….

Learn from someone who knows.

Read: Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Warning to the West (Words of Warning to the Western World)
1974
http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/articles7/Solzhenit...

A World Split Apart (especially relevant today)
delivered 8 June 1978, Harvard University http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/alexande...

Give it time, OCG, you'll soon find it easy and fun to do; just relax and keep firing with FACTS !

If you allow a troll to get under your skin, you lose and the damned troll wins and that is something you never want to happen. They come here to disrupt, insult and make us all feel rotten; so turn it on and go for their jugular……any way you can/feel comfortable doing.

He's delusional, that's for sure.

And I meant it, he sounds like a 13 year old.

But these are the same people to show up to vote! Just look at this Administration and Congress. It truly represents the will of the voting public. Very sad. Fortunately for us, more and more true conservatives are getting the idea that they need to get off their asses on election day and get to the polls. Let's hope so, anyway. If not, we will soon be living in an Idiocracy

This poll just mirrors what we see in almost every election. A significant number of Americans are clueless morons who no nothing about the damage socialism has done to other countries and will do to us if not stopped.

Be careful who you call a teabagger. they may just feed you your own teabag.

I think you know in your heart that we root for different people

And therein lies your problem. It's not about rooting for people, it's about rooting for principles.

I think we are rooting for different people. Your smugness is loathsome. I doubt you'll find anyone here who would not be rooting for those people in history you speak of. That's because many of the people rooting for them in the past were Republicans and they did so for reasons of principle.

Now, people like you toss principles aside and it's all about people; that is a sure path to disaster. You will fight racism or inequality with, um, racism and inequality (e.g., affirmative action). You see, it's no longer about principle with people like you and that is dangerous because you will justify all kinds of unprincipled things in the name of rooting for people.

I could give endless examples of how rooting for chosen groups instead of principles leads to destruction, tyranny, etc.

Zinn and his sycophants represent everything that is wrong. Evil would be the correct description.

Your problem is reading Howard Zinn. Socialism abolishes the middle class, so you will end up with the ruling class and the "people". Labor's Untold Story is that the workers work and pays dues and the union leaders collect dues and make decisions; ruling class and the "people". No individual voice.

Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh, was I the ONLY one here who wasn't an idiot in their twenties? LOL

Voter apathy and a splintered Conservative electorate? ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Hanzo

It's hilarious that you continue to embarrass yourself over and over with your mind-numbing stupidity.

Listen fool, everyone knows society has to be organized. That you even attempt to talk of the national parks shows (again) that you are utterly ignorant.

God, you are stupid.

Good one, Vince!

Or maybe, you just make them look like amateurs! lol

I suppose an article about James O'Keefe or Progressivism? No, wait, that dosen't work either as evidenced a couple of days ago……..Uhhh, let's see. Where have all the decent trolls gone? Maybe there never were any, EVAH!!
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Hanzo

So Obama has a 36% approval rating, sounds about right, unintended consequences? ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Hanzo

Well, that too, but I have yet to see a troll on any of the BIG sites worth a damn. I battle them 1/2 asleep/without any sweat.

And I'm not kidding, most of the facts I use against them, I did learn in the fifth grade ! I had a fantastic teacher, who not only knew her stuff, but demanded that all of her students learn it and really know and understand what she was teaching! Because of her, I can still close my eyes and name every single state, the capitals, major cities and waterways, and what the state is known for. Her history lessons were riveting !

Obviously there's a big time defect in the troll factory these days. Probably some union dispute….

Thanks for giving us shining examples of government run amuck, schmuk.Your post just confirmed my belief that socialists are stoopid.You cite excellent cases of big government extending its tentacles into every aspect of our lives, enslaving all.Overregulating, overreaching, overruling common sense, overlapping bureaucracy, overacting, overreacting, overburdening productive people, overbearing, overgrowing, overkilling, overpowering, overweening, overstepping and overwhelming, all hallmarks of a socialist/communist/progressive/facist government, whose time up is long overdue.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Hanzo

True dat, bookie is epic fail, PWN3D fo' sho', bro'!! ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Hanzo

I never actually believed it, I just liked playing the devil's advocate. I voted for Reagan twice in my twenties.

Workin', despite BHO! Yeah, missed being here, playing 'WHACK-A-TROLL' with everyone.
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Glad you have a job, many can no longer say that………….due to BHO!

I missed ya; you are good at "WHACK-A-TROLL " and I always enjoy watching you do it !

I just spoke to an engineer friend who is open to socialism because he thinks it will prevent a complete implosion of the economy. A planned economy appeals to his meticulous nature. He intuitively fears and resents the chaos of the markel place. He sees financial people or any wheeler dealer type as not providing any value to society.

Nobody has made a convincing arguement abouth the benefits of free markets to him and the volatility of the market place terrifies and frustrates him.

Yw, as ever.

From what I've heard the last few days, the European Union is collapsing
as we speak…Last night, an economist and trend analyst said
Europe is failing, Greece, Portugal and Italy will go first…He also predicted
the fall will find it's way here in short order because of all the spending..
We'll see if he was right!

Pass the delta smelt and the tartar sauce too, please.

Obama was a Marxist socialist when I met him in 1980.

You just now figured out you're living under an increasingly socialist system of government? You might as well crawl back under your rock and go back to sleep.

Always fun to witness, 1red beating back a troll!

It looks like I'm the one who struck a nerve. Nothing you've said has phased me in the least. I am rather enjoying watching you make an ass of yourself though. Please continue. I could use the entertainment.

You met Obama in '80? Do tell! How do you know he was a Marxist Socialist? How intriguing.

I should have known the two of you were friends, you and Hanzo are both bomb throwers – not interested in debate.

The College Professors in this country have LONG been pushing for Socialism. Is it any wonder so many College students have a radical an inaccurate view of America? Is there anybody out there that doesn't think our history books in the schools haven't been tampered with?? From the media to the school teachers union, there has been a concerted effort to overthrow this country and our Constitution. Along with the operatives within the Liberal Democratic movement; it's been there for years. I would even include some Republicans in this as well. Thank God people all over the country are wanting to take America back from these radical idiots.

We need to stay out of foreign conflicts, except when we need to stand up for OUR allies.
We need to be fiscally conservative in our spending. Cut off aid to countries that hate us.
We need to adhere to our Constitution
We shouldn't care about any new world order, tell'em to take a hike.
We don't want your stinking Al Whore Global Warming tax on America. It was a farce to begin with.
We don't need or want any carbon taxes so Al Whore and friends can enrich themselves.
We need our leaders to secure our borders and to protect the Citizen's of this country.

Socialist Liberals hate all these ideas.

We have “only” ourselves to blame for this mess:

This quote came from the Czech Republic. Someone has it all figured out. It’s sad that most of the people of the US don’t.

“The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the presidency. It will be easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president.

The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails us. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince.

The republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president.”

Author Unknown

Of course democrats support "socialism"; that is what their party stands for. Research into the Soviet archives has shown that the DFL was created by the Communist Party USA in 1924, beginning with the labor union movement (which is what comminism is – dictatorship of the proletariat [working class] – workers of the world unite!, etc). It began with the infamous Industrial Workers of the World (IWW); which soon was replaced with the American Federation of Labor – Congress of Industrial Organizations (AFL – CIO); then became the Farm-Labor Perty (DFL).

All one needs to do to verify this, is to print out the DFL party platform and compare it with the U.S.S.R. Const., (specifically Ch 10); and the Program for the Communist Party USA, and you wil see that it is identical! Most of it is word for word. THAT is precisely what the DFL stands for.

I served in a war to keep this sedition out of this country, but it seems that the Viet – Cong now occupy the White House. I don't know if "Americanism" can be reclaimed or not. Do you?

Many thanks for the kind words, but I admit that I don't know everything……just a lot. LOL

As a matter of fact, Bookie slipped up and did pull the wool over my eyes and probably everyone else's, here, last night; however, I was doing some casual reading at another site and <B.WHAM, some words flew off the screen, hit me between the eyes, and red lights began flashing! I now know exactly what Bookie is and shall be sharing it with everyone here.

Slavery is alive and well in Africa, today……………….amongst blacks. This is also nobody on the left is willing to talk about. Please, Skeeter, keep educating everyone you know, even casually, about the true facats of slav ery and the slave trade; as shall I.

Bookie, Bookie, Bookie………………….you were PWN3D last night and shall be, yet again, after I get done with you!

I'm NOT a "bomb thrower"; unless, by that you mean that I destroyed you, you filthy UNAMERICAN POS.

My "content" was far more than a pathetic "decent"; compared to the garbage your posts, my replies were not just substantive, but brilliant……..albeit, common knowledge at the fifth grade level! LOL

I am extremely well informed, very knowledgeable, but unfortunately, not as knowledgeable about extreme lefty terms and groups as you. Though you dropped clues ( which I had picked up on, but had misattributed ), I was unaware the meaning of, I brushed them off to being drivel and batted you about the head about them. Please forgive that error, as now that I have serendipitously come upon one of them, I shall expose you for just what and who you are!

The two word term, "ECONOMIC DEMOCRACY" is still utter drivel, but it is the name of a radical lefty group, an off shoot of the CAMPAIGN FOR ECONOMIC DEMOCRACY, which was chaired by the '60s MARXIST/COMMIE HIPPIE/DIPPY RADICAL TOM HAYDEN.

While at Occidental, Obama gave his first political speech at the urgings of his first political mentor,Prof Roger Boesche, at an event sponsored by theSTUDENTS FOR ECONOMIC DEMOCRACY, a branch of the Hayden group.

So there ya go, Bookie, You may not be a damned RED DIAPER BABY ( though I doubt you tell the truth about yourself ), but you ARE, indeed, a stinking RED !

You don't like that I tell the truth, ergo, you call what I post about you "insults" and cry in your beer that I am a "bomb thrower", when, in point of fact, your idols were bomb makers and bomb throwers of the worst kind………………………………AMERICAN BORN AND BRED TERRORIST AMERICA HATERS !

You have NO idea what a "flame war" is, nor what kind of insults such things entail.

To use an old 1960s/early '70s hippie retort ( which you will have to fill the blanks in for the initials )……………………………UP AGAINST THE WALL, YOU MF !

FYI………………I gave you a "serious argument" last night, you pustule on the arse of America; you just couldn't handle it and neither are you capable of
engaging in an actual debate!

funniest thing about socialism is its anti-social, very Orwellian use of words. Capitalism is founded on social cooperation and freedom, socialism is founded on govt. force and coercion and the moron libs think they are egalitarian, how can they be so blind? they give American a bad name!

I remember them changing History class to Social Studies. Even at the age of 10 that struck me as Commie thing to do.

I remember my mother having fits over the name change and being upset at how watered down curiculum was getting. The thing is, what was taught when I was in school, was a whole lot MORE than what was/is being taught, even in great private schools, to later generations. OTOH, when my mother was in high school, she had micro and macro economics classes, as well as truly in depth and separate history and geography classes.

All of what i posted was taken from http://socialistparty-usa.org/. you people might actually want to take a look at it so you can see exactly what they are for and against. Alot of you people need to start using our head when you read and reply to posts on here and stop getting so emotional. Nowhere in my post did it say i was for any of these policies. I support the "Government needs to leave me the hell alone" policy.

By the way Hanzo,you forgot the "c" in schmuck. i guess your a good example of how well our public school system works.

Wow, you post comments which no one can understand and you point out a typo in my reply? What planet do you currently reside on?Your syntax, grammar and spelling are juvenile. If you indeed post the above info as a cautionary effort, why not state that? "You people are quite happy to have…"? WTF are we supposed to think? If you do agree with us, sorry to offend you, I also mistook your comments, perhaps you should, yourself, go to one of the public schools you mentioned. My kids are homeschooled and my 11 year old has no problem ellucidating his thoughts. Especially not to the point of seeming to state the opposite of how he feels.Perhaps you could hire my youngest to grade your posts before presenting them for public consumption.How many times do you say"you people" in a day? Please re-read your comments, maybe it'll bring a smile to your face after you realise that you have a mistake in viryually EVERY sentence you "type". ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Hanzo

It was equivalent,. at the least, to a masters degree from an Ivy League college, today; perhaps even a Doctorate.

OTOH, an 8th grade education, of my grandparents' day, was even better than that!

Thankfully, my parents and grandparents didn't abrogate their responsibilities and I learned a very great deal at home; some of it, just by listening to the adults discuss the news, politics, and history; as well as other things.

Eliminate the Dept of Education. It's not that Americans are clueless, it's that we have allowed the progressives to take control of the public education system and succeed in creating a populace discouraged from believing in America and it's founding principles. It is where the progressives want this country. It's the set up they need in order to install the form of soft tyranny they seek. They may have gotten the timing wrong however and probably should have waited another generation before attempting the total socialist takeover (I give you the TPM as evidence of their over reach). Although the progressive run public school system and state run media have been successful in dumbing down America to the point they could get one of them elected, I think there may be enough Freedom loving Americans left, and some waking up from the stupor, to put a stop to it this go around.

Okay, but can you name all (or even most) of the countries in Africa? Or does your geographic knowledge (i.e., world vision) extend only as far as the US border?

ITA.

Obamunism is a unique mix of the worst of several failed ideologies. No matter how they package it, Obamunism is bad for not just America but for the entire world.

Well said, it is a rather 'mixed bag' of misery, isn't it? ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Hanzo

You're so stupid, Guest, that you don't even deserve an in depth reply.

If anyone wants to see evidence of just HOW dumbed down Americans have become ( you are an American, aren't you ? ) all they have to do is read your imbecilic post; you pissant moron.

Consumerism was truly begun in the mid-late Victorian era…………..when our educational system was superior to what it is today and long before there was even radio; let alone T.V. !

American business has had NOTHING whatsoever to do with the education dumbing down trajectory, which got its foot in the door 100 years ago, but really took off right after WW II, but which went into hyperdrive in the late '60s/early '70s and it IS and ALWAYS has been partisan…..led by lefties, every step of the way.

You are "disgusting" in your mordant, abject stupidity! Now crawl away and hide in a dark corner, you blithering idiot.

just remember that socialism is the structure of many religious organizations, like monasteries for example. However, you can choose to live that lifestyle if you wish in America. I think socialism works in small scale societies where like minded people bound by a common religion can live and work together. They are taught to love one another. Socialism can work in a family environment too. However, in a large scale society where people do not know one another, greed is more likely to take hold and someone can take advantage of another. Socialism doesn't work. Conservatives can be family socialists only. lol.

just say no to nightingale for governor wrong for Governor Bad for california!!!!

You have a typo there, I think you meant "Bush" has a 36% approval rating. At thats when he was really popular back in 2005. I'm just ribbing you.

Obama's approval is up around 50%, that leaves about 10-15% of O supporters who are smart enough to ignore and/or see the right's propaganda for what it is. Its disappointing to see a third of our people have a positive view of socialism, but its a small number still. A good quarter to third of our citizens are stupid, ignorant or just plain whacko. They're not all right wingers, left's got 'em too.

I like cartoons. And you keep looking, you just might find it. Try your left.

I stand corrected on the poll, I thought that I heard 36% approval rating on the radio, my bad.Now, as far as the rest of your post. First ,Please don't make assumptions as to where I get my daily news. I guarantee I visit more lefty sites than you do. I have accounts at HuffHo and rumproast.
Two verrry intolerant lefty sites. Much more intolerant then anything you'll come across on the right side of the aisle.Please don't provide me with a list of Conservative websites, how stupid of you. That would be like me telling you to go to Kos, Beast, HuffHo, snarkopolitan,et al.You are such a condescending progressive/facist. Not very smart of me? Perhaps you've forgotten how I've schooled your tiny intellect in the past, what a buffoon you truly are.Fantasies about msm? With the likes of olbernut, madcow, schultz, schyster, matthews,behag,couric, sanchez,laurie. etc., etc., you're joking, right?You are a joke , you never present a cogent argument , yes virginia, BHO is a socialist! I can prove he is, can you prove he's not?Let's go, I'll school you again……..

Along with the above mentioned 'news' anchors let's not forget mitchell, smith,stephanopoulos,
evans, krugman, roberts(both of them),blitzer, strassman, et al, the list goes on and on. I can't believe that you are so bereft of objectivity you can't see the msm(abc,nbc,cbs,msnbc,cnn,pbsetc.)
project a bias.You need to remove your head from your posterior, get some fresh air and allow a bit of light to shine on you.How about that 'birther' issue? Did you know that 2 democrat operatives, Linda Starr and Philip Berg, are the people who gave the issue legs?That's right, and Hillary wanted to use it in the dem primaries. Boy oh boy, you should change your screen name to piece a work, just like the other trolls,you present nothing to back up your claims, just casting statements in order to seem proficient on subject matter, dosen't work aropund here, must present facts. If we are wrong, we'll admit it, too bad prog/facists will defend their lies to the bitter end. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Hanzo

You sure talk a lot for saying nothing. And its the same thing over and over.

If you read the definition of socialism you will learn the actions of the past year do not equate to socialism. The gov saved these companies, it didn't wholly take them over. The fact some banks have already paid the money back and all of them will be freed from gov's teet reinforces this fact. Your argument is nothing more than a political tact. Besides, before we disprove Obama is a socialist, don't you first need to prove he is? Otherwise its nothing more than a religion to you. For as much as you say I presume and insinuate, Its stunning how right I am.

After ranting about GWB for 8 years, stating he was overreaching in his scope as POTUS, dosen't it just scare the hell out of progressives to witness the absolute trampling of the Constitution by the current administration?
Anyway, your absolute ignorance of political history and the genesis of these organic movements is both stupifying and apparent immediately.I could list more examples, why bother?You can't disprove anything, not only are you uneducated on the subject at hand, you're much too limited in your cogent thought process to form a lucid, sentient, valid opinion on this issue.It's stunning how right you are?That dosen't make sense, as you've proven nothing.I suppose when you're always wrong it would be stunning if you were correct, however that's not the case. Have a nice day.
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"You're entitled to your opinoins(sic), but not to your facts". Ha ha….how typical.
Don't address the issue or try to refute my post, simply cast aspersions in a lame attempt to deflect attention from your glaringly apparent lack of knowledge.
Do you know of the roots of Facism/Progressivism?I didn't think so.Do you know the aims, creed, manifestations of Socialism? I didn't think so.
"Ranting partisan talking points"? Your transparent effort to appear knowledgeable is laughable.Pretending to be an intellectuel dosen't become you. My suggestion to you is to actually learn the subject matter at hand, study history in order to maintain a grasp of that which you speak, then try to form a valid, thoughtful opinion so that you don't fall on your face and sound doubly stupid.Your lack of a response speaks volumes in and of itself. Have a nice day.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Hanzo

Yeah, sure, whatever.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Hanzo

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