The Left Claims They Can’t Find Anyone Who Says Obamacare is Illegal
by Brian GarstThe University of Washington held a “debate” over the constitutionality of the health care bill in which none of the participants argued it was at all unconstitutional. Explaining this farce, the university claimed they couldn’t find any law professors to argue the opposing view. Liberal blogs such as TalkingPointsMemo and Think Progress, the blog for the Soros funded mouth-piece known as Center for American Progress, picked up the story to brag that the left can’t find any law professors to argue that Obamacare is unconstitutional. Clearly they haven’t looked hard enough.
Cato Institute legal scholar Ilya Shapiro, who is also an adjunct professor at George Washington University Law School, has issued a simple challenge. He’ll debate the constitutionality of Obamacare “anywhere at anytime.”
It’s not as if he’s the only one. Randy Barnett teaches constitutional law at Georgetown University and recently wrote in the Washington Post about different possible challenges to Obamacare. He concluded that several “constitutional challenges to health-care reform have a sound basis in the text of the Constitution.” Richard Epstein, of the University of Chicago, is another well-known skeptic of the bill’s constitutionality, and several months ago authored a piece explaining why in the Wall Street Journal. There are plenty more.
Here’s the $65,000 question. If the brilliant scholars at the University of Washington couldn’t properly conduct a basic search to find any of the numerous legal scholars who find Obamacare unconstitutional, how seriously can they possibly expect us to take their legal scholarship?
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IMPEACH OBAMA NOW !!!!
What they probably meant was that they couldn't find any professors on their own faculty to argue against the proposition. Either that, or they just didn't bother to look for anyone.
Heck, I'm a run-of-the-mill computer tech and I could debate the unconstitutionality of Obamacare with any of those dolts and win with ease while taking a nap.
Absolutely incredible. Very poor scholarship. This is even more evidence the elite thinks Americans are too stupid to see past their little tricks…
With probably 90% of the media behind them, it doesn't surprise me that they would make such a ridiculous claim. In the end, this will boil down to how many Americans have an IQ above room temperature. The numbers are stacked in the conservatives favor.
The story out of UW strikes me more of an attempt at de-legitimization of the law's critics than an effort at open, honest debate. After all, what's a little dismissive scorn after you've shoved a law down the throats of an increasingly restive populace.
If (and it is a large IF), enough R's with spines and Tea Party attitude can win in November and the remain D-rats are scared to the death of losing their political lives, it might happen.
Of course, we have to have the elections as well and I do not put it past the Socialists to try and stop them. Or worse, cheat.
The time for debate ended with the vote.
Now is the courts time.
In November the Ballot Box will settle the debate.
Too funny that the elite Uof W does not understand the time line concept.
I don't want to get bogged down in minutia here but any bill longer the The Homestead Act, (4 handwritten pages) should be unconstitutional on it's face…2600 pages, indeed..
I don't think anyone has read it or understands the overall scope of the beast ….
It must be tossed out and a market based plan initiated ASAP..
If premiums and the defiect go down then I'll call it a success…
Anyone givings odds on that??
cheat like acorn ? hey whatever it takes to stop a civil war . which is what will happen if the dems stay in power and also those republicans like lindsay gramesty
I went and read his article. One-half of it dealt with making the law unconstitutional by passing an amendment. Once again, the bill was not just passed under the commerce clause. It was passed under the necessary and proper clause and the Sixteenth Amendment to the Constitution. The bill sets up interstate insurance exchanges which permit individuals to purchase insurance across state lines. This is clear interstate commerce. The enforcement mechanism is a tax. I assure you, this bill contains some legislative history which states Uncle Sam is picking up a portion of the costs of the uninsured. As a result, this tax is to offset this expense. Although the Sixteenth Amendment does not require a casual nexus between the tax and the need, this bill contains one. As a result, any court will make very short work of this argument. I wish one person, just one person would explain to me why the persons on this website vilify a welfare mama who passes her costs down to society, but yet, praises an uninsured who does the exact same thing with their health care costs.
These people don't want debate, they want to stifle dissent. They want to destroy anyone who would prove its unconstitutionality. You twits on the left consider healthcare a right? Why would you need 16,000 additional LieRS agents escorted by shotgun wielding security, prison and jail time, and monetary fines to uphold someones rights?
This is why they are called "the left"
The opposite of being right is being "left"
Left is another word for "sinister"
Satan is left-handed. Is Obama left-handed? Hmm hmm hmm
[...] The Left Claims They Can’t Find Anyone Who Says Obamacare is Illegal [...]
You make a good point. Everything "left" is negative when you think about it. Even at the final judgement, the goats are on His left. They shall be left (behind). If it's evil, the left supports it (abortion, Obamacare, higher taxes, police state, etc.). Very interesting…
This means there is only a small percentage of people, politicians and whoever is behind them are orchestrating this entire mess. They are paying people like to unions to make it look like the American people want it. They don't and we don't want them.
Do not believe anything that Obama and Congress does or says.
I'm a college sophomore and I could probably debate the unconstitutionality of Obamacare with any of these "law professors." I'd do it with half my brain tied behind my back just to make it fair, of course.
Amendment 9 The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Amendment 10 The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
They can try and twist those words all they want.
Ironically, the word "care" appears once in the Constitution — in Article II, Section 3. The word applies to the President of the United States and says, "… he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed. …"
That makes obama unconstitutional too.
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Uhhhhh……. no, I dont think I will
HuskersLoveBodyoder
What is your expertise?
attorney?
SOOOOOOOOO…. are you saying left handed people are sinister and of satan ?
The lil weenie trolls would, but seems its Friday night and the kids are out playing, I guess you won't get any takers – damn shame!
It would only take half a brain to put up with the BS they would spew
Typical UW. I'd love to say I'm surprised but Seattle IS jockeying to be the next Berkley. They wouldn't want to acknowledge that conservatives existed if they were the last people in the universe. /facepalm
Love it Hauling, and so true – I'm quite convinced the man is seriously 'ill' as in, mentally unstable – one has to be very very 'off' to not feel anything for the millions out of work, the millions screaming that this bill is crap -
Why don't we just underwrite the expenses involved with taking this directly to the Supreme Court? Debating time is over. This is law. Time to climb the legislative relief ladder, in my opinion.
Amen brother.
ohhh crap…..now i'm satanic tooo…….great ……Do I have to buy a goat now?
The Washington State's Attorney Frikin' General believes that it's unconstitutional and intends to challenge it in court. What? They couldn't find his number?
OCG
Yep…Nobody with half a brain would take it…I would be against basic law #1 of economics 101..
"when 3rd party payers are involved, prices always go up"…
This law does nothing to change that stark reality…
El Rushbo would be proud of your post Kyle!
And you didn't even use the Golden Microphone.
According to your reasoning there would not be a need for the Constitution in the first place. If such a document which limits the scope of Government were not needed then why all the crazy, twisted, and completely off the wall logic of Supreme Court Decisions which seem to give Congress the ability to control everything under the sun using the commerce clause? Simply because a previous Court said something has no real bearing on if it is Constitutional or not. The only thing that this type of reasoning brings is twisted logic and decisions so wrong that it takes someone with years of advanced education to warp easily understood concepts so out of shape I wonder why we even bother with the fiction of Constitutionality anymore.
There are mechanisms in place to change the Constitution if we as a society do not like it but instead the Court has re–written it without changing a word by continuously finding government powers never in there. This is the result of using precident instead of evaluating each and every case on its' own merits. Precident can be a guide but it is not law. It was never ever inteaded to be that but our Legal Profession has made the system so convoluted in order to protect itself.
Either the plain and rather simple wording of the Constitution means what it says or it means nothing at all. Like I said before we can change it or even replace it, which would be folly, if we do not like it. The Federal Government may have the power to regulate the quality of the Health Care Delivered but not the power to mandate the very same care.
Do not be swayed by the argument that by not engaging in commerce by buying Health Care Insurance that you effect commerce by increasing costs for everyone. That very same logic could also be used to force every citizen to purchase a G.M. Car or force a citizen to engage in any Government approved activity. That is the real slippery slope we are all on folks and I do not intend to fall for that one.
I thought I could keep the left at bay
now they got me
and my son
mom
brother
we are doomed
He's trying to break us any other conclusion would be illogical.
On Greta this evening Gov. Granholm of Michigan also made the claim that she couldn't find one lawyer who believes that this monstrosity was unconstitutional
This simpleton obviously cannot distinguish between emotional appeal and logic-based law. All these knee jerk ProgLigTards are about to get a lesson in what the Constitution really means. Stay tuned. It should prove to be most entertaining. I'm personally looking forward to the "wailing and gnashing of teeth" part when it's all finally over.
No. There is no direct relationship between the car you buy and any cost to the government. There is in health care because the hospitals pass down the costs of the uninsured to their paying customers; the insured and the government.
I think a classic experiment would put all this back and forth arguing to rest. The capitalists in the country take the south, mid-west and portions of the southwest. We let the libs have the west coast and the northeast……….we are all civil to one another and can consider commerce between the two areas however, they stay in their areas to live and work (no transfers).
Then in five (5) years if it takes that long……………they will be whining to come back. They cannot live and succeed without the fruits of labor from the Capitalist. A Socialist society will collapse upon itself as they continue the failed notion of equality (that is equal outcome for all) and the race and poverty pimps work their magic on their new society.
Then perhaps they will learn that their Utopia is not possible nor sustainable without confiscating the labor of the provider. And now that all of us providers are living in harmony in a bustling economy, devoid of over bearing Federal Government, they will be at the fence (yes we have to install border fences to keep the vermin out) asking for our help and handouts.
They seem to have a knack for ruining an area and then move to greener pastures, but then stupidly start the same process with the same failed ideology all over again. You know what they say about the signs of insanity………..doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a differnt outcome. Of course us Capitalists don't desire a different outcome, we know what works and works and works………….so WHY CHANGE??
President Obama Calls Mitt Romney “Current Republican Nominee”: http://bit.ly/cq9PYa
How much more evidence do we need that Obama’s got Mitt on the mind. First, he picks up Mitt’s book at the bookstore, then he tries to tarnish Mitt’s conservative credentials by comparing Obamacare to what Mitt did in Massachusetts, and now this? I can’t wait until Mitt runs this fool out of the White House in 2012!
Dawgs drool! What a surprise, UW a bastion of liberal thinking….stuck in the mire of Lib Town…filled with elitist snobs who know everything. Ask them and they will tell you!
Imagine the shock on their faces on November 2nd!
Tea party movers. Have faith and patience.
And watch this….
http://www.ted.com/talks/derek_sivers_how_to_star...
We are movers not leaders folks. That is how the debate is framed. BY US! NOT THEM!
Unless of course you are Cloward and Pivens….Obamao….Reid…..Pelosi…..Soros….etc.
Overwhelm the system!
Go read the Sixteenth Amendment. Congress can tax income in any manner it chooses. For example, it can allow you to deduct home mortgage interest, but not credit card interest. So it can easily state if you have personal health insurance, you do not have to pay a tax. But if you do not, you pay the tax. I find it quite ironic that no one can explain the difference between a welfare mama and an uninsured. They both past their cost down to society.
The powers of the legislative branch are stated in the Constitution. The powers specifically granted to the Congress are spelled out in Article I, Section 8. Since it isn't that long of a section — and there aren't that many powers.
The words "general Welfare" show up in the first line of Article I, Section 8:
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States … [Emphasis added.]
Notice that the Constitution doesn't say the "general welfare of the citizens of the United States." It says "general Welfare of the United States." This clause only gives the Congress the power to raise money to defend the country and pay for the day-to-day operations of the government. It says nothing at all about building bridges to nowhere, or paving bike paths, or spending money on any other kind of pork barrel project — including health care. The exact powers of the Congress are listed in Article I, Section 8
The provision requiring insurance is not, I repeat not using the Commerce clause as its principal grounds of constitutionality. It is the Sixteenth Amendment.
But you forget that Piglosi told us we had to pass the bill to find out what was in it….kind of like cracker jacks! Only nightmare cracker jacks….
Hey huskerslovebo – laws aren’t passed under any section of the constitution you dolt.
You are using a logical fallacy “if A then A”. Just because government decides to usurp a power, it does not give them the right to regulate it. Nice try concern troll. None of us here are stupid enough to buy into your 3rd grade argument. Go back to huffpo and circlejerk your libtard friends.
Say Robbin, will you please explain to me why Rusty the Chickenhawk supported the Republican alternative to Hillary care which included a universal mandate and is against the universal mandate contained in this bill?
A person with narcissistic personality disorder:
Symptoms:
* Reacts to criticism with rage, shame, or humiliation
* Takes advantage of other people to achieve his or her own goals
* Has feelings of self-importance
* Exaggerates achievements and talents
* Is preoccupied with fantasies of success, power, beauty, intelligence, or ideal love
* Has unreasonable expectations of favorable treatment
* Requires constant attention and admiration
* Disregards the feelings of others, lacks empathy
* Has obsessive self-interest
* Pursues mainly selfish goals
How many do you think Obamao displays?
What they said, Brian sir, is that they could not find anyone available on the night of the scheduled "debate." They did not say they couldn't find anyone to argue unconstitutionality because there wasn't anyone. Merely that no one was available at that time.
You do not pay much attention to the news. GM was not only bailed out by the Federal Govt.ut is now the majority share holder. Also the types of cars purchased directly impact how much Tax revenue that the Government recieves. I could go on but the argumant falls apart becuase the Commerce Clause was to make Interstate Commerce Regular. That means to remove any obstructions that might have been used by the individual states to such commerce. Everything can effect commerce so that was never th intention of the clause and the plain wording used makes that very clear.
Right.
That is exactly what I was suspecting. I'm trying to think of a good analogy but I just watched that congressman who thought Guam was going to capsize and I realize that he sucked up all my brain cells. Geez that man could dumb down MENSA.
I think only if the goat is unhappy.
huskerbo is just using a logical fallacy. If A then A. If government sets up interstate exchanges for healthcare (which this bill DOES NOT) then it has the right to regulate those exchanges. By this logic the federal government has no limits to its power.
Succinctly said.
Your statement is generally supported with numbers. When you look at legitimate polls you will note that about 25-30% of the population supports the progressive line. I prefer Rasmussen because they have been a most accurate predictor through the last year. Obama is part of a tightly-knit group of true believers. Bing the Internets for the threads of their associations and it is amazing how all these people are connected. When you get more than two people with their level of passion together, you can make things happen…especially if you enjoy extortion and self-aggrandizement.
"If the brilliant scholars at the University of Washington couldn’t properly conduct a basic search to find any of the numerous legal scholars who find Obamacare unconstitutional, how seriously can they possibly expect us to take their legal scholarship?"
Asked and answer. Actions speak louder than cowardly words. Not only are the Pathological Progressive Liars, well, liars they are cowards too.
OK, one last time. Back in the 70s through mid 80s, the tax code contained a provision for investment tax credit. If a business went out and purchased an asset, they received a credit of 10% of the purchase price on their return. This section was repealed by Reagan, but it was clearly constitutional. So bringing this to the 21st century, assuming arguendo the court throws out the current law, which they will not. All Congress has to do is pass a law giving a family a credit on their tax return if they have health insurance. If they do not have health insurance, they do not get a credit. Sort of like, a business could go out and by an asset to get the credit. If they did not purchase an asset, they did not get the credit. This is not hard. It is about the second week of income tax at a law school.
Bing his buddy Frank to see how he made his living in Europe. He was a coke dealer in Hawaii, you may recall. This is the man the grandparents charged with molding their precious little boy. the whole nest of them stinks. He HAS to be damaged from this man.
Foreign creditors will decide on the fate of the new health care law-mandate, before it is decided on in Court.
Who will lend to a country that is heading towards insolvency and risk getting paid back with worthless dollars?
Obama Care will work as well as Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, the Post Office and Amtrak have worked.
I will bet that it won't, do I win?
"A society whose citizens refuse to see and investigate the facts, who refuse to believe that their government and their media will routinely lie to them and fabricate a reality contrary to verifiable facts, is a society that chooses and deserves the Police State Dictatorship it's going to get."
— Ian Williams Goddard
"When once a republic is corrupted there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil."
–- Thomas Jefferson on the necessity of the impeachment
provisions to our Constitution
"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government — lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." — Patrick Henry "We the People are the rightful masters of both congress and the courts — not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution." — Abraham Lincoln
Vote for freedom from Tyranny in November. Republican/Democrat if they don't uphold the constitution get rid of them. And as far as UW is concerned your all a bunch of progressives that would be much happier in Europe. I checked, they already have everything you want and need. And you need to be lead around by your nose and told when to take your medicine. Really, you'll love it in Europe.
It's called parroting. They hear it and repeat it and then repeat it again until they can say it as if it were really true. More smoke they are blowing up our……..backsides.
I am betting the same hollylamb! I think we are going to win this battle….I propose in the next Teaparty on the Mall, if CONgress makes a show like Piglosi's last parade…we all put duct tape over our mouths and stand silent, watching what they do! Not only are we silent so no racial word could be blamed on us…it is also a protest for freedom of speech! Sounds like fun to me and I plan to be there on August 28th!
I see you are still rethreading the uninsured are costing us therefore we all have to have insurance talking point. I love the way you always follow it up with the racist bait. How many times have you posted this crap? 1. Most people will never spend as much on health care as they will pay in premiums That is why they can sell it. 2. People paying there own way insist on generic medication and the best deal on medical devices. 3. When self payers reach end of life they generally choose viewer procedures based on their perceived benefit and choose less expense Hospice type programs as opposed to “White Linen Deaths”____Regarding your specious constitutional defense get a clue . It’s a mandate a requirement to buy a product, to share private information, and to pay for this service with private dollars so stop baiting us with these ridiculous arguments you consider clever. We are tired of spin doctors we like truth so speak in truth or go away.
"Spitzer, an expert in state constitutional law and a UW affiliate professor, said afterward that organizers even considered setting up some kind of video conference to provide the counter perspective. But in the end, he said, the lack of professors taking that position spoke to the merits of the arguments."
OCG
I agree he is a man with delusions of grandeur but without the handlers directing his every move
he, even as POTUS, would not be able to achieve what he has.
The unions,soros,rathkie(sp) and others who put him in place are the ones I am more concerned
with.It is the power behind and directing him, out of the light of day and behind closed doors that
is truly out to destroy this country.
I have wondered for along while what state secrets he has passed.
I ask this without any proof of such happening but his actions and those he has around him leads me
(and my tinfoil hat) to wonder.
Maybe I'm missing something. Can anybody give me a precedent where the government directly taxes a citizen for an activity he DOESN'T engage in?
Anyway, when you Leftists try these convoluted arguments to justify something (sort of like intellectual masturbation) does it ever occur to you whether it SHOULD be justified? A sociopath can find a logical argument (consistent in his own mind) to justify murder. That does not make it something he should do?
Think about whether you really WANT the government to force you to buy something just for being alive.
And these are our institutions of higher learning? We are indeed in decline.
http://www.PoliticalCentrist.com News and views for independent voters
Lorrie
Are you in anarchical mood…
Have a glass of Cloward-Pivens merlot…It's a blend of Socialist 'sour grapes" from all oppressed regions of the globe
Cheers!!
If these people ran a strip club right next to a naval station they probably wouldn't find any sailors
When the Republicans take Congress, I think they should pass a law saying that you have to buy a copy of Atlas Shrugged every month or get taxed a million dollars. Because, hey, it's Constitutional.
I have heard, I think on Rush Limbaugh, "Dreams of My Father" excerpts and found that alone disturbing. It amazes me that people could read that book and not catch that the man is a communist. But then who would have dreamed that the Jews would walk to their deaths in Germany without a fight. Some of us have the ability to see through the fog and see the truth a lot sooner so some survive.
Well I don't want to share the winnings…but I will. I love the duct tape idea however I would need something stronger, I can't even control my mouth, I can't expect tape to be able to.
Also noticed that comment by the MI Gov and thought it pretty funny. I was disappointed in Great VS for letting her get buy with that comment without a challenge of any kind. Thought Greta might have invited the Gov to giver her call and she could have explained. The Left is just digging themselves deeper and deeper into the black hole of no credibility, with these statements/positions. They truly just don't seem to get that the American people are not buying this junk logic they keep throwing out. Seriously, does the Gov of MI honestly think that anyone listening to her say that doesn't lose respect for her? My gosh the collective eye rolling is so loud its like marbles on the gym floor!
Please simulate the duct tape-you're eventually gonna have to take it off. And I don't want to disclose anything here, but trust me.
Ilya Shapiro needs to save his debate for the courts. He'll get plenty of chances to make his case there. But I wouldn't hold my breath, were I him.
Will they use the same feet to make that merlot as they did when they stamped on the Constitution.
The 16th Amendement says: The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration. Now how do you get from there to Federally Mandated Commerce. Also this would not be a tax on income but an existence tax which the Government does not have and never has had the authority to do. You can name it what ever you want but that is what it would be.
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration. There is absolutely no authority to tax someone for existing.
Are you my long lost sister….I have the same issues! But I could do it to prove a point! Just for piglosi! ;^)
????? I am confused. It would only be when the Black Caucus and Piglosi walks through the crowds…could you imagine the silence? It would be deafening! And kind of eerie!
The tax has to be on income.
I actually do not think it is illegal. Consider it a tax, and the Healthcare that follows is the new entitlement from that tax. I really think it is a loser to fight it, because the thing is that although a person is forced to have health insurance it will be based on their income level, like any other tax. At least, that is what I am assuming, because who knows about what it will actually do? Take socialism, progressivism, to the final solution, follow the Evolutionary tunnel and you will see that eventually the plan is to do away with all physical currency, and have only a system of credit. Take what you need, and remember you ARE being monitored. After all Labor is the only real thing of value, if you cut out the middle-man of currency you can be super efficient, right comrades? Oh, no personal property, too. It is no big deal because Big Brother loves you, and you will Big Brother.
Everyone talks about the young people not taking responsibility, and this effectively forces them to, although many will ride for free and still be slugs, so not much of a gain there. I think the real alarm for the bill, however, is that it will implement a National ID. It will cause people to become even more sloth, unhealthy in their living, and make the country poorer. But, illegal? I don't know. Isn't Social Security illegal then in that sense? Although, Social Security should have never been, as well. But it is all part of a process, isn't it? Government must become the Giver and Take-Awayer. And I AM serious that there is no stopping it, and you shouldn't, actually, despair over this reality, because the world will be cleansed with fire. It is a fallen world after all – good people's hope is in Christ, and they worry not.
More bad things that will follow: illicit drug legalization after the thoroughly Evolutionized APA decides all addictions are "diseases" liable for treatment (marijuana is really gaining national momentum, isn't it?) – Soma, anyone?, and the government trying to micro-manage the consumption of food by the citizens (also becoming increasingly active) – and all the related troubling details. There is much more. Global Warming is still alive and kicking…
Evolution (molecules-to-man). Gaia worship. It's all in the works. The Bible says that Satan will move quickly when he realizes his time is short. So, spend the time more wisely, perhaps, and don't fret about prophecy coming to pass. These words are not even important. Many of those fretting over the NWO are getting caught up in their own hypocrisy, too. I'm not fretting. I'm informing. The solution is to invest in Jesus Christ. To worship God, and pray for His coming; and in the meantime get your hearts right with God with meditation and even more prayer, because He desires the true blue's.
The National ID, also, I suspect will eventually be incorporated into a national banking system, and why not? I salute our socialist lords. Nahhh, frig them. Chop my head off, and harvest my organs already.
Sorry to ramble.
Okay ONE more time BOboy
16th Amendment
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration.
So your concept is not only does this give congress the authority to tax but in your view it is “stand alone” document it doesn’t state what congress can tax for therefore it can tax for anything. Also since this “stand alone” document doesn’t proclaim the manner that said taxes will be used it is merely for congress to decide.
I just figured it out…the pain of taking duct tape off! Duh!
Not my Merlot…..my idea of a good Merlot is nothing near those swine!
You need 67 votes in the senate to convict, and there are only 41 Republicans in the place. Not exactly politically doable. Plus, you need grounds for impeachment.
By the way source please? "persons on this website vilify a welfare mama who passes her costs down to society" Sounds more like HuffPo then here, that's how they justify the "societal value" of abortion.
The November vote settles nothing…. Even if Republicans win big, Obama is still going to be the president and will veto any attempt to roll back health care reform.
I would argue that we should partition the states by problem area-kind of like Gaza & the West Bank. Seattle needs to be quarantined but if you drive 1/2 hour in almost any direction, you're in the middle of some of the most military-dense (and flag-waving patriotic) areas in the nation. And it's so pretty there. The liberals don't deserve the entire west coast. They can have SoCal and parts of the other coasts but we need to reserve some coastline for us.
U. Dub…DUH. Not a single opposing view? Nobody? That's it? Wow "great law school" eyes rolling @@…
Just give up, throw your arms up and that's it?
Wow, "world class" learning institution. Not.
Hmmm………Are we splitting it long ways?……
First let me agree that I do not think the Law is able to pass Constitutional muster on either the General Welfare Clause or the Commerce Clause.
I am afraid however of what is not being discussed! We have a Supreme Court where we cannot depend upon a majority of Justices to see the Constitution as a document which should always be interpreted as the founders intended based upon the various state constitutional convention discussions of these very points. For God's sake we have a learned Justice who use case law from Europe to justify decisions here in the US.
Look this up for a recent Law Review Article on the Commerce Clause:THE LEGAL MEANING OF “COMMERCE” IN
THE COMMERCE CLAUSE
ROBERT G. NATELSON 2006
790 ST. JOHN’S LAW REVIEW [Vol. 80:789
The worse things get the more they will beat their breast and blame everyone else for getting in their way.
People must be educated and stop living in shells.
It's been months since I've run into someone who supports Obama and can give a real reason why, and the one's that CAN respond at least coherently, well – they just scatter when you turn on the lights.
Until they can hide behind some facade of being wronged.
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