The Left Claims They Can’t Find Anyone Who Says Obamacare is Illegal
by Brian GarstThe University of Washington held a “debate” over the constitutionality of the health care bill in which none of the participants argued it was at all unconstitutional. Explaining this farce, the university claimed they couldn’t find any law professors to argue the opposing view. Liberal blogs such as TalkingPointsMemo and Think Progress, the blog for the Soros funded mouth-piece known as Center for American Progress, picked up the story to brag that the left can’t find any law professors to argue that Obamacare is unconstitutional. Clearly they haven’t looked hard enough.
Cato Institute legal scholar Ilya Shapiro, who is also an adjunct professor at George Washington University Law School, has issued a simple challenge. He’ll debate the constitutionality of Obamacare “anywhere at anytime.”
It’s not as if he’s the only one. Randy Barnett teaches constitutional law at Georgetown University and recently wrote in the Washington Post about different possible challenges to Obamacare. He concluded that several “constitutional challenges to health-care reform have a sound basis in the text of the Constitution.” Richard Epstein, of the University of Chicago, is another well-known skeptic of the bill’s constitutionality, and several months ago authored a piece explaining why in the Wall Street Journal. There are plenty more.
Here’s the $65,000 question. If the brilliant scholars at the University of Washington couldn’t properly conduct a basic search to find any of the numerous legal scholars who find Obamacare unconstitutional, how seriously can they possibly expect us to take their legal scholarship?
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IMPEACH OBAMA NOW !!!!
What they probably meant was that they couldn't find any professors on their own faculty to argue against the proposition. Either that, or they just didn't bother to look for anyone.
Heck, I'm a run-of-the-mill computer tech and I could debate the unconstitutionality of Obamacare with any of those dolts and win with ease while taking a nap.
Absolutely incredible. Very poor scholarship. This is even more evidence the elite thinks Americans are too stupid to see past their little tricks…
With probably 90% of the media behind them, it doesn't surprise me that they would make such a ridiculous claim. In the end, this will boil down to how many Americans have an IQ above room temperature. The numbers are stacked in the conservatives favor.
The story out of UW strikes me more of an attempt at de-legitimization of the law's critics than an effort at open, honest debate. After all, what's a little dismissive scorn after you've shoved a law down the throats of an increasingly restive populace.
If (and it is a large IF), enough R's with spines and Tea Party attitude can win in November and the remain D-rats are scared to the death of losing their political lives, it might happen.
Of course, we have to have the elections as well and I do not put it past the Socialists to try and stop them. Or worse, cheat.
The time for debate ended with the vote.
Now is the courts time.
In November the Ballot Box will settle the debate.
Too funny that the elite Uof W does not understand the time line concept.
I don't want to get bogged down in minutia here but any bill longer the The Homestead Act, (4 handwritten pages) should be unconstitutional on it's face…2600 pages, indeed..
I don't think anyone has read it or understands the overall scope of the beast ….
It must be tossed out and a market based plan initiated ASAP..
If premiums and the defiect go down then I'll call it a success…
Anyone givings odds on that??
cheat like acorn ? hey whatever it takes to stop a civil war . which is what will happen if the dems stay in power and also those republicans like lindsay gramesty
I went and read his article. One-half of it dealt with making the law unconstitutional by passing an amendment. Once again, the bill was not just passed under the commerce clause. It was passed under the necessary and proper clause and the Sixteenth Amendment to the Constitution. The bill sets up interstate insurance exchanges which permit individuals to purchase insurance across state lines. This is clear interstate commerce. The enforcement mechanism is a tax. I assure you, this bill contains some legislative history which states Uncle Sam is picking up a portion of the costs of the uninsured. As a result, this tax is to offset this expense. Although the Sixteenth Amendment does not require a casual nexus between the tax and the need, this bill contains one. As a result, any court will make very short work of this argument. I wish one person, just one person would explain to me why the persons on this website vilify a welfare mama who passes her costs down to society, but yet, praises an uninsured who does the exact same thing with their health care costs.
These people don't want debate, they want to stifle dissent. They want to destroy anyone who would prove its unconstitutionality. You twits on the left consider healthcare a right? Why would you need 16,000 additional LieRS agents escorted by shotgun wielding security, prison and jail time, and monetary fines to uphold someones rights?
This is why they are called "the left"
The opposite of being right is being "left"
Left is another word for "sinister"
Satan is left-handed. Is Obama left-handed? Hmm hmm hmm
[...] The Left Claims They Can’t Find Anyone Who Says Obamacare is Illegal [...]
You make a good point. Everything "left" is negative when you think about it. Even at the final judgement, the goats are on His left. They shall be left (behind). If it's evil, the left supports it (abortion, Obamacare, higher taxes, police state, etc.). Very interesting…
This means there is only a small percentage of people, politicians and whoever is behind them are orchestrating this entire mess. They are paying people like to unions to make it look like the American people want it. They don't and we don't want them.
Do not believe anything that Obama and Congress does or says.
I'm a college sophomore and I could probably debate the unconstitutionality of Obamacare with any of these "law professors." I'd do it with half my brain tied behind my back just to make it fair, of course.
Amendment 9 The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Amendment 10 The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
They can try and twist those words all they want.
Ironically, the word "care" appears once in the Constitution — in Article II, Section 3. The word applies to the President of the United States and says, "… he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed. …"
That makes obama unconstitutional too.
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Uhhhhh……. no, I dont think I will
HuskersLoveBodyoder
What is your expertise?
attorney?
SOOOOOOOOO…. are you saying left handed people are sinister and of satan ?
The lil weenie trolls would, but seems its Friday night and the kids are out playing, I guess you won't get any takers – damn shame!
It would only take half a brain to put up with the BS they would spew
Typical UW. I'd love to say I'm surprised but Seattle IS jockeying to be the next Berkley. They wouldn't want to acknowledge that conservatives existed if they were the last people in the universe. /facepalm
Love it Hauling, and so true – I'm quite convinced the man is seriously 'ill' as in, mentally unstable – one has to be very very 'off' to not feel anything for the millions out of work, the millions screaming that this bill is crap -
Why don't we just underwrite the expenses involved with taking this directly to the Supreme Court? Debating time is over. This is law. Time to climb the legislative relief ladder, in my opinion.
Amen brother.
ohhh crap…..now i'm satanic tooo…….great ……Do I have to buy a goat now?
The Washington State's Attorney Frikin' General believes that it's unconstitutional and intends to challenge it in court. What? They couldn't find his number?
OCG
Yep…Nobody with half a brain would take it…I would be against basic law #1 of economics 101..
"when 3rd party payers are involved, prices always go up"…
This law does nothing to change that stark reality…
El Rushbo would be proud of your post Kyle!
And you didn't even use the Golden Microphone.
According to your reasoning there would not be a need for the Constitution in the first place. If such a document which limits the scope of Government were not needed then why all the crazy, twisted, and completely off the wall logic of Supreme Court Decisions which seem to give Congress the ability to control everything under the sun using the commerce clause? Simply because a previous Court said something has no real bearing on if it is Constitutional or not. The only thing that this type of reasoning brings is twisted logic and decisions so wrong that it takes someone with years of advanced education to warp easily understood concepts so out of shape I wonder why we even bother with the fiction of Constitutionality anymore.
There are mechanisms in place to change the Constitution if we as a society do not like it but instead the Court has re–written it without changing a word by continuously finding government powers never in there. This is the result of using precident instead of evaluating each and every case on its' own merits. Precident can be a guide but it is not law. It was never ever inteaded to be that but our Legal Profession has made the system so convoluted in order to protect itself.
Either the plain and rather simple wording of the Constitution means what it says or it means nothing at all. Like I said before we can change it or even replace it, which would be folly, if we do not like it. The Federal Government may have the power to regulate the quality of the Health Care Delivered but not the power to mandate the very same care.
Do not be swayed by the argument that by not engaging in commerce by buying Health Care Insurance that you effect commerce by increasing costs for everyone. That very same logic could also be used to force every citizen to purchase a G.M. Car or force a citizen to engage in any Government approved activity. That is the real slippery slope we are all on folks and I do not intend to fall for that one.
I thought I could keep the left at bay
now they got me
and my son
mom
brother
we are doomed
He's trying to break us any other conclusion would be illogical.
On Greta this evening Gov. Granholm of Michigan also made the claim that she couldn't find one lawyer who believes that this monstrosity was unconstitutional
This simpleton obviously cannot distinguish between emotional appeal and logic-based law. All these knee jerk ProgLigTards are about to get a lesson in what the Constitution really means. Stay tuned. It should prove to be most entertaining. I'm personally looking forward to the "wailing and gnashing of teeth" part when it's all finally over.
No. There is no direct relationship between the car you buy and any cost to the government. There is in health care because the hospitals pass down the costs of the uninsured to their paying customers; the insured and the government.
I think a classic experiment would put all this back and forth arguing to rest. The capitalists in the country take the south, mid-west and portions of the southwest. We let the libs have the west coast and the northeast……….we are all civil to one another and can consider commerce between the two areas however, they stay in their areas to live and work (no transfers).
Then in five (5) years if it takes that long……………they will be whining to come back. They cannot live and succeed without the fruits of labor from the Capitalist. A Socialist society will collapse upon itself as they continue the failed notion of equality (that is equal outcome for all) and the race and poverty pimps work their magic on their new society.
Then perhaps they will learn that their Utopia is not possible nor sustainable without confiscating the labor of the provider. And now that all of us providers are living in harmony in a bustling economy, devoid of over bearing Federal Government, they will be at the fence (yes we have to install border fences to keep the vermin out) asking for our help and handouts.
They seem to have a knack for ruining an area and then move to greener pastures, but then stupidly start the same process with the same failed ideology all over again. You know what they say about the signs of insanity………..doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a differnt outcome. Of course us Capitalists don't desire a different outcome, we know what works and works and works………….so WHY CHANGE??
President Obama Calls Mitt Romney “Current Republican Nominee”: http://bit.ly/cq9PYa
How much more evidence do we need that Obama’s got Mitt on the mind. First, he picks up Mitt’s book at the bookstore, then he tries to tarnish Mitt’s conservative credentials by comparing Obamacare to what Mitt did in Massachusetts, and now this? I can’t wait until Mitt runs this fool out of the White House in 2012!
Dawgs drool! What a surprise, UW a bastion of liberal thinking….stuck in the mire of Lib Town…filled with elitist snobs who know everything. Ask them and they will tell you!
Imagine the shock on their faces on November 2nd!
Tea party movers. Have faith and patience.
And watch this….
http://www.ted.com/talks/derek_sivers_how_to_star...
We are movers not leaders folks. That is how the debate is framed. BY US! NOT THEM!
Unless of course you are Cloward and Pivens….Obamao….Reid…..Pelosi…..Soros….etc.
Overwhelm the system!
Go read the Sixteenth Amendment. Congress can tax income in any manner it chooses. For example, it can allow you to deduct home mortgage interest, but not credit card interest. So it can easily state if you have personal health insurance, you do not have to pay a tax. But if you do not, you pay the tax. I find it quite ironic that no one can explain the difference between a welfare mama and an uninsured. They both past their cost down to society.
The powers of the legislative branch are stated in the Constitution. The powers specifically granted to the Congress are spelled out in Article I, Section 8. Since it isn't that long of a section — and there aren't that many powers.
The words "general Welfare" show up in the first line of Article I, Section 8:
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States … [Emphasis added.]
Notice that the Constitution doesn't say the "general welfare of the citizens of the United States." It says "general Welfare of the United States." This clause only gives the Congress the power to raise money to defend the country and pay for the day-to-day operations of the government. It says nothing at all about building bridges to nowhere, or paving bike paths, or spending money on any other kind of pork barrel project — including health care. The exact powers of the Congress are listed in Article I, Section 8
The provision requiring insurance is not, I repeat not using the Commerce clause as its principal grounds of constitutionality. It is the Sixteenth Amendment.
But you forget that Piglosi told us we had to pass the bill to find out what was in it….kind of like cracker jacks! Only nightmare cracker jacks….
Hey huskerslovebo – laws aren’t passed under any section of the constitution you dolt.
You are using a logical fallacy “if A then A”. Just because government decides to usurp a power, it does not give them the right to regulate it. Nice try concern troll. None of us here are stupid enough to buy into your 3rd grade argument. Go back to huffpo and circlejerk your libtard friends.
Say Robbin, will you please explain to me why Rusty the Chickenhawk supported the Republican alternative to Hillary care which included a universal mandate and is against the universal mandate contained in this bill?
A person with narcissistic personality disorder:
Symptoms:
* Reacts to criticism with rage, shame, or humiliation
* Takes advantage of other people to achieve his or her own goals
* Has feelings of self-importance
* Exaggerates achievements and talents
* Is preoccupied with fantasies of success, power, beauty, intelligence, or ideal love
* Has unreasonable expectations of favorable treatment
* Requires constant attention and admiration
* Disregards the feelings of others, lacks empathy
* Has obsessive self-interest
* Pursues mainly selfish goals
How many do you think Obamao displays?
What they said, Brian sir, is that they could not find anyone available on the night of the scheduled "debate." They did not say they couldn't find anyone to argue unconstitutionality because there wasn't anyone. Merely that no one was available at that time.
You do not pay much attention to the news. GM was not only bailed out by the Federal Govt.ut is now the majority share holder. Also the types of cars purchased directly impact how much Tax revenue that the Government recieves. I could go on but the argumant falls apart becuase the Commerce Clause was to make Interstate Commerce Regular. That means to remove any obstructions that might have been used by the individual states to such commerce. Everything can effect commerce so that was never th intention of the clause and the plain wording used makes that very clear.
Right.
That is exactly what I was suspecting. I'm trying to think of a good analogy but I just watched that congressman who thought Guam was going to capsize and I realize that he sucked up all my brain cells. Geez that man could dumb down MENSA.
I think only if the goat is unhappy.
huskerbo is just using a logical fallacy. If A then A. If government sets up interstate exchanges for healthcare (which this bill DOES NOT) then it has the right to regulate those exchanges. By this logic the federal government has no limits to its power.
Succinctly said.
Your statement is generally supported with numbers. When you look at legitimate polls you will note that about 25-30% of the population supports the progressive line. I prefer Rasmussen because they have been a most accurate predictor through the last year. Obama is part of a tightly-knit group of true believers. Bing the Internets for the threads of their associations and it is amazing how all these people are connected. When you get more than two people with their level of passion together, you can make things happen…especially if you enjoy extortion and self-aggrandizement.
"If the brilliant scholars at the University of Washington couldn’t properly conduct a basic search to find any of the numerous legal scholars who find Obamacare unconstitutional, how seriously can they possibly expect us to take their legal scholarship?"
Asked and answer. Actions speak louder than cowardly words. Not only are the Pathological Progressive Liars, well, liars they are cowards too.
OK, one last time. Back in the 70s through mid 80s, the tax code contained a provision for investment tax credit. If a business went out and purchased an asset, they received a credit of 10% of the purchase price on their return. This section was repealed by Reagan, but it was clearly constitutional. So bringing this to the 21st century, assuming arguendo the court throws out the current law, which they will not. All Congress has to do is pass a law giving a family a credit on their tax return if they have health insurance. If they do not have health insurance, they do not get a credit. Sort of like, a business could go out and by an asset to get the credit. If they did not purchase an asset, they did not get the credit. This is not hard. It is about the second week of income tax at a law school.
Bing his buddy Frank to see how he made his living in Europe. He was a coke dealer in Hawaii, you may recall. This is the man the grandparents charged with molding their precious little boy. the whole nest of them stinks. He HAS to be damaged from this man.
Foreign creditors will decide on the fate of the new health care law-mandate, before it is decided on in Court.
Who will lend to a country that is heading towards insolvency and risk getting paid back with worthless dollars?
Obama Care will work as well as Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, the Post Office and Amtrak have worked.
I will bet that it won't, do I win?
"A society whose citizens refuse to see and investigate the facts, who refuse to believe that their government and their media will routinely lie to them and fabricate a reality contrary to verifiable facts, is a society that chooses and deserves the Police State Dictatorship it's going to get."
— Ian Williams Goddard
"When once a republic is corrupted there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil."
–- Thomas Jefferson on the necessity of the impeachment
provisions to our Constitution
"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government — lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." — Patrick Henry "We the People are the rightful masters of both congress and the courts — not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution." — Abraham Lincoln
Vote for freedom from Tyranny in November. Republican/Democrat if they don't uphold the constitution get rid of them. And as far as UW is concerned your all a bunch of progressives that would be much happier in Europe. I checked, they already have everything you want and need. And you need to be lead around by your nose and told when to take your medicine. Really, you'll love it in Europe.
It's called parroting. They hear it and repeat it and then repeat it again until they can say it as if it were really true. More smoke they are blowing up our……..backsides.
I am betting the same hollylamb! I think we are going to win this battle….I propose in the next Teaparty on the Mall, if CONgress makes a show like Piglosi's last parade…we all put duct tape over our mouths and stand silent, watching what they do! Not only are we silent so no racial word could be blamed on us…it is also a protest for freedom of speech! Sounds like fun to me and I plan to be there on August 28th!
I see you are still rethreading the uninsured are costing us therefore we all have to have insurance talking point. I love the way you always follow it up with the racist bait. How many times have you posted this crap? 1. Most people will never spend as much on health care as they will pay in premiums That is why they can sell it. 2. People paying there own way insist on generic medication and the best deal on medical devices. 3. When self payers reach end of life they generally choose viewer procedures based on their perceived benefit and choose less expense Hospice type programs as opposed to “White Linen Deaths”____Regarding your specious constitutional defense get a clue . It’s a mandate a requirement to buy a product, to share private information, and to pay for this service with private dollars so stop baiting us with these ridiculous arguments you consider clever. We are tired of spin doctors we like truth so speak in truth or go away.
"Spitzer, an expert in state constitutional law and a UW affiliate professor, said afterward that organizers even considered setting up some kind of video conference to provide the counter perspective. But in the end, he said, the lack of professors taking that position spoke to the merits of the arguments."
OCG
I agree he is a man with delusions of grandeur but without the handlers directing his every move
he, even as POTUS, would not be able to achieve what he has.
The unions,soros,rathkie(sp) and others who put him in place are the ones I am more concerned
with.It is the power behind and directing him, out of the light of day and behind closed doors that
is truly out to destroy this country.
I have wondered for along while what state secrets he has passed.
I ask this without any proof of such happening but his actions and those he has around him leads me
(and my tinfoil hat) to wonder.
Maybe I'm missing something. Can anybody give me a precedent where the government directly taxes a citizen for an activity he DOESN'T engage in?
Anyway, when you Leftists try these convoluted arguments to justify something (sort of like intellectual masturbation) does it ever occur to you whether it SHOULD be justified? A sociopath can find a logical argument (consistent in his own mind) to justify murder. That does not make it something he should do?
Think about whether you really WANT the government to force you to buy something just for being alive.
And these are our institutions of higher learning? We are indeed in decline.
http://www.PoliticalCentrist.com News and views for independent voters
Lorrie
Are you in anarchical mood…
Have a glass of Cloward-Pivens merlot…It's a blend of Socialist 'sour grapes" from all oppressed regions of the globe
Cheers!!
If these people ran a strip club right next to a naval station they probably wouldn't find any sailors
When the Republicans take Congress, I think they should pass a law saying that you have to buy a copy of Atlas Shrugged every month or get taxed a million dollars. Because, hey, it's Constitutional.
I have heard, I think on Rush Limbaugh, "Dreams of My Father" excerpts and found that alone disturbing. It amazes me that people could read that book and not catch that the man is a communist. But then who would have dreamed that the Jews would walk to their deaths in Germany without a fight. Some of us have the ability to see through the fog and see the truth a lot sooner so some survive.
Well I don't want to share the winnings…but I will. I love the duct tape idea however I would need something stronger, I can't even control my mouth, I can't expect tape to be able to.
Also noticed that comment by the MI Gov and thought it pretty funny. I was disappointed in Great VS for letting her get buy with that comment without a challenge of any kind. Thought Greta might have invited the Gov to giver her call and she could have explained. The Left is just digging themselves deeper and deeper into the black hole of no credibility, with these statements/positions. They truly just don't seem to get that the American people are not buying this junk logic they keep throwing out. Seriously, does the Gov of MI honestly think that anyone listening to her say that doesn't lose respect for her? My gosh the collective eye rolling is so loud its like marbles on the gym floor!
Please simulate the duct tape-you're eventually gonna have to take it off. And I don't want to disclose anything here, but trust me.
Ilya Shapiro needs to save his debate for the courts. He'll get plenty of chances to make his case there. But I wouldn't hold my breath, were I him.
Will they use the same feet to make that merlot as they did when they stamped on the Constitution.
The 16th Amendement says: The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration. Now how do you get from there to Federally Mandated Commerce. Also this would not be a tax on income but an existence tax which the Government does not have and never has had the authority to do. You can name it what ever you want but that is what it would be.
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration. There is absolutely no authority to tax someone for existing.
Are you my long lost sister….I have the same issues! But I could do it to prove a point! Just for piglosi! ;^)
????? I am confused. It would only be when the Black Caucus and Piglosi walks through the crowds…could you imagine the silence? It would be deafening! And kind of eerie!
The tax has to be on income.
I actually do not think it is illegal. Consider it a tax, and the Healthcare that follows is the new entitlement from that tax. I really think it is a loser to fight it, because the thing is that although a person is forced to have health insurance it will be based on their income level, like any other tax. At least, that is what I am assuming, because who knows about what it will actually do? Take socialism, progressivism, to the final solution, follow the Evolutionary tunnel and you will see that eventually the plan is to do away with all physical currency, and have only a system of credit. Take what you need, and remember you ARE being monitored. After all Labor is the only real thing of value, if you cut out the middle-man of currency you can be super efficient, right comrades? Oh, no personal property, too. It is no big deal because Big Brother loves you, and you will Big Brother.
Everyone talks about the young people not taking responsibility, and this effectively forces them to, although many will ride for free and still be slugs, so not much of a gain there. I think the real alarm for the bill, however, is that it will implement a National ID. It will cause people to become even more sloth, unhealthy in their living, and make the country poorer. But, illegal? I don't know. Isn't Social Security illegal then in that sense? Although, Social Security should have never been, as well. But it is all part of a process, isn't it? Government must become the Giver and Take-Awayer. And I AM serious that there is no stopping it, and you shouldn't, actually, despair over this reality, because the world will be cleansed with fire. It is a fallen world after all – good people's hope is in Christ, and they worry not.
More bad things that will follow: illicit drug legalization after the thoroughly Evolutionized APA decides all addictions are "diseases" liable for treatment (marijuana is really gaining national momentum, isn't it?) – Soma, anyone?, and the government trying to micro-manage the consumption of food by the citizens (also becoming increasingly active) – and all the related troubling details. There is much more. Global Warming is still alive and kicking…
Evolution (molecules-to-man). Gaia worship. It's all in the works. The Bible says that Satan will move quickly when he realizes his time is short. So, spend the time more wisely, perhaps, and don't fret about prophecy coming to pass. These words are not even important. Many of those fretting over the NWO are getting caught up in their own hypocrisy, too. I'm not fretting. I'm informing. The solution is to invest in Jesus Christ. To worship God, and pray for His coming; and in the meantime get your hearts right with God with meditation and even more prayer, because He desires the true blue's.
The National ID, also, I suspect will eventually be incorporated into a national banking system, and why not? I salute our socialist lords. Nahhh, frig them. Chop my head off, and harvest my organs already.
Sorry to ramble.
Okay ONE more time BOboy
16th Amendment
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration.
So your concept is not only does this give congress the authority to tax but in your view it is “stand alone” document it doesn’t state what congress can tax for therefore it can tax for anything. Also since this “stand alone” document doesn’t proclaim the manner that said taxes will be used it is merely for congress to decide.
I just figured it out…the pain of taking duct tape off! Duh!
Not my Merlot…..my idea of a good Merlot is nothing near those swine!
You need 67 votes in the senate to convict, and there are only 41 Republicans in the place. Not exactly politically doable. Plus, you need grounds for impeachment.
By the way source please? "persons on this website vilify a welfare mama who passes her costs down to society" Sounds more like HuffPo then here, that's how they justify the "societal value" of abortion.
The November vote settles nothing…. Even if Republicans win big, Obama is still going to be the president and will veto any attempt to roll back health care reform.
I would argue that we should partition the states by problem area-kind of like Gaza & the West Bank. Seattle needs to be quarantined but if you drive 1/2 hour in almost any direction, you're in the middle of some of the most military-dense (and flag-waving patriotic) areas in the nation. And it's so pretty there. The liberals don't deserve the entire west coast. They can have SoCal and parts of the other coasts but we need to reserve some coastline for us.
U. Dub…DUH. Not a single opposing view? Nobody? That's it? Wow "great law school" eyes rolling @@…
Just give up, throw your arms up and that's it?
Wow, "world class" learning institution. Not.
Hmmm………Are we splitting it long ways?……
First let me agree that I do not think the Law is able to pass Constitutional muster on either the General Welfare Clause or the Commerce Clause.
I am afraid however of what is not being discussed! We have a Supreme Court where we cannot depend upon a majority of Justices to see the Constitution as a document which should always be interpreted as the founders intended based upon the various state constitutional convention discussions of these very points. For God's sake we have a learned Justice who use case law from Europe to justify decisions here in the US.
Look this up for a recent Law Review Article on the Commerce Clause:THE LEGAL MEANING OF “COMMERCE” IN
THE COMMERCE CLAUSE
ROBERT G. NATELSON 2006
790 ST. JOHN’S LAW REVIEW [Vol. 80:789
The worse things get the more they will beat their breast and blame everyone else for getting in their way.
People must be educated and stop living in shells.
It's been months since I've run into someone who supports Obama and can give a real reason why, and the one's that CAN respond at least coherently, well – they just scatter when you turn on the lights.
Until they can hide behind some facade of being wronged.
Have another drink LOL!
I like the idea.
If this is the same University of WA in WA state, I'm not surprised. Just about the whole west side of the state is screaming bonkers libs!!
omg hc, I know you weren't addressing me, but I just had to say, agree about the "state secrets".
Some of these wackos who are in positions of authority are absolutely not worthy of even the
lowest level security clearance. I'm afraid they're giving away the 'candy store' every day.
BigD
The progs think they're upgrading the "living document" to a Cabernet Sauvignon thru their warped actions, but in reality they are creating a witches brew of stale beer and "sewer grapes", the equivalent of a Constitutional Crisis..
The poem he allegedly wrote is very disturbing and screams "molestation." He belongs on a psychiatrist's couch.
SJ, I wish O'reily would get the body language gal to do her thing on the GVS/ Granholm
interview, she sure was blinking a lot. I also noticed Greta did not challenge her a few
times when she out & out lyed.
EIther that or the Dems have a strategy to defeat Romney and are promoting him as the Repub nominee. Remember when they said that McCain was the only Repub they feared? Reverse psychology. They had already written the playbook for defeating McCain. He was too old and tied to Bush.
The appropriations of funding originates in the House and must be passed by the Senate. It is called de-funding. If you were to read the articles posted here you might learn a few things.
From an article by Dick Morris who worked in the Clinton Whitehouse:
"if Republicans take the House (where appropriations have to originate) – and especially if they also take the Senate – they will have the capacity to zero fund Obamacare, appropriating not a dime for it in their spending bills. Indeed, they can and should include a specific amendment to their appropriations bills banning the expenditure of any of the funds on Obama’s health care program."
Knowledge is key, ignorance is rampant. Without funding do you really think the government employees can be kept on the payroll? The taxes collected can be put into the general fund and applied to the debt. This issue has been discussed by various Attorneys, Judges and Congressional and Senate officials over the past months here and many other places, so your ignorance or arrogance is pathetic. Open mouth and insert foot one more time.
Lets not let the dems pick our candidate again
I'm dieting…..I hope I can do this….if I just stayed away from the news it would help!
I'm in a frisky mood tonight so here's my odds.
SNOWBALLS CHANCE IN HELL IN THE SUMMERTIME!!
I was in Hell when it froze over already!
I can see Piglosi now:
Double, double toil and trouble;
Fire burn and cauldron bubble.
–Witches, Act IV, scene i
Which justice uses European case law? Talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel to find that one.
Anyway, radio talk show host Hugh Hewitt was on Hannity tonite, hosted by NRO's Rich Lowry. He's a constitutional lawyer who teaches at Chapman University. He said portions of Obamacare will stand, but the individual mandate to purchase insurance will be declared unconstitutional.
agreed…and impeach every member of congress and the senate who voted for this act of treason… they violated their oath of office to uphold the constitution…not destroy it.
Thats dead on they should have obama's picture hanging next to the description of this disease.
Zebo I beleive with all my heart and soul you are correct ..but would the Supreme court ever ever take that stand and reverse what has become the new foundation of our economy and our Government. I have great respect for some of the Justices and a few have shown great courage but… would they take this stand knowing the economic and social turmoil that would follow? Perhaps if they could dictate a phase in but is that even a legal possibility how do you do the undoable?
SuCo
Yep…anyone with firing synapses' knows this Bill is a huge expensive scam…. Socialized medicine with no health care…
If this thing somehow sticks, I foresee more unintended consequences then there are starlets in BigHollywood…
We know why it is broken and will be working to fix it. I suggest cutting all federal funding and letting tenure be eliminated and free enterprise have a shot at it. We had a discussion on this a few nights back and came up with 2 conservative schools and we should be funneling our kids and $'s to those going forward.
no opposing views I guess the science of Constitutional law is settled too dammm im glad thats over with
This bill like all others has the boilerplate pre-amble if any part is found to be unconstitutional the rest still stands. I cant wait to see waht kinda of socialist sausage that makes.
Starlets are long gone and now all they have are the harlots HiPD!!!
lol…My cousin's wife and I were talking about 2 weeks ago, and I had no idea she was an idiot Obama voter because my cousin is super conservative…So we were talking, and all of a sudden it dawned on me she liked Obama…I said, "you like Obama, don't you?' She said, he's done some good things! And I immediately asked her what he did that she liked….lol…She got like a banchee
screaming…I don't want to argue, I don't want to argue….She had no clue what he did good that's why she got so rattled….I hung up on her, and have no plans on talking to the dummy for a long while!
It would be funny as hell if nobody (China) bids at the next auction. Might get messy but what else is new?!!!?
November cannot come soon enough….
If only the faculty at Dolt Hall at the UofW were elected as well.
I hope its just my paranoia
I have gone from freaking out, to watching the freak show. Everyday that goes by I think to myself, there really is a God, and he is thinking to himself, "God helps those who help themselves".
It's beautiful thing to watch a nation wake up and help themselves to the sweetness and light of the US Constitution.
Thanks Obama for believing the opposite.
You have some who want to use Sharia Law and go to a worldwide system right now. NWO is what the goal is.
Can you see a purple cape, throne, sceptor and crown? A few months ago there were some who had BIG PLANS. But the EMPORER HAS NO CLOTHES ON. It has bee noted around the world THANK GOD!!!
Thank you kind sir, not only are you a scolar of life but a gentleman as well!
gee… this shouldn't be too hard even for a thinking person like your self.
6 counts of election tampering at least and failing to uphold the oath of office are the lowest and easiest fruit to pick. However, I agree with you – The White House is completely corrupt right now and it's going to be extremely difficult to get them to roll over on each other. Let's start with the White House staff problems in their land deals in Chicago first. Soften them up before impeachment.
Then there is the illegal hospital policies of turning the uninsured away from a certain hospital that a certain wife of a certain member of the White House engaged in. How about all those low income properties gathering rent from Crook county that are owned by some of the white staffers — you know the ones where the roofs have caved in. They make for beautiful images on Google maps! Love them.
Ohh wait a second, what am I talking about. These are all F'ing dim-o-craps! They lie, cheat and steal for each other.
Hey mikatollah, I saw this great YouTube video that reminded me of you yesterday. I know you're trying to ignore it but this guy IS the poster child of the democrat party! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsFsn8ekyhw not only is he an IPCC believer but he even thinks you can capsize an island! Typical genus democrat. I bright star like that in your party, heck he could be the next president. He certainly isn't any less qualified for the job than the current one.
So — how am I doing on the Saul Alinsky isolate and destroy method of shutting down the communication? Shhh I know I'm not suppose to know about the democrat bible but it's Ok.
My eyes are burning, from the image of destruction the BEAST has wrought upon us. I wonder when the excommunication will be. Hopefully she will be denied sacraments and all that entails for the rest of her arrogant days on earth.
Sunshine
I think you're right, and like congress they do "TrickOrTreating" on the side…
But, i know one thing for sure, the waelthy will not put up with this for a minute…
Most will buy a second or tenth home in a place that will become medical CASH friendly…Say Porto Rico or the new and improved Haiti…(sarc)
Huskey boi… you may be able to snow some people with your 'theories' but once again you are talking out the wrnong end, this a mandate not a tax…
DISOBEY DEFEAT DEFUND OBAMACARE!!!!!! Obamacare is an invasion of my privacy and against my religion!!!
The truly wealthy have more options but there are many places that moderate income goes a long way. There are a lot of early retirees who live abroad on less than 1/2 what it costs here. Gotta keep the options open these days sad to say.
I don't know much about the Catholic Church, but I find it amazing there hasn't been more coming out of Rome in response to her stance on abortion….I imagine she is paying indulgences, buying her way into heaven and avoiding excommunication….good luck with that Nancy because someday you will stand before the King of Kings and Lord of Lords….
I'm left-handed, and Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior. Not all left-handed people are sinister.
I have a long-time friend, who is a "devout" Catholic. He is in the Knights Of Columbus. He plays an organ at his church. He leads music at his church.
He supports Democrats. He supports Democrats who support abortion, to which, by all logic, he should be greatly opposed.
Here is the answer he gives when quizzed about that:
Long ago, his father told him that when he was young, and Republicans were in power, a bunch of people would run after a chicken in the street, because they were hungry.
You just can't argue with a person like that. Well, you can, but its sort of like that saying arguing with a pig…you get really dirty, and the pig just gets irritated.
We are on the same page and it would be true justice if 30 or 40 elected officials were excommunicated. I do know that it is not a quick process though. There was some kind of dust up with Ted K as well with the church as I recall.
It's good to know, judging from the people here, that you can always count on the white working class to protect the property rights of the rich by lame accusations of socialism. What a bunch of dupes! You all really need to pull your heads out of your asses.
Can we just build a very tall wall around Seattle and keep the rest of the state to ourselves? I'll be more than happy to help.
God bless you, Lorben! Dieting during this every-day-a-new-fiasco has got to be difficult!
I kind of get the feeling there is a real disconnect with the Roman Catholics and American Catholics….
Did you see in the news that said Piven has now been appointed to the board of Project Vote?
Our younger is getting married this summer as well.
Public services are against your religion? LOL! Better not drive on any of those public roads tomorrow or allow that public military or police to protect you either. You people are hilarious.
…and the flag…. (Yes…I'm talking to YOU, Bill Ayers!)
Ya, we need a check list:
'Global Warming Science' ~check~
'Constitutional Law – liberal version' ~check~
'Media *objectivity*' – ~check~
Oh brilliant one please enlighten the poor ignorant masses who so want to fund welfare for folks who have figured out that it is easier to sit on their fanny than work for wages, although many will work for cash. We should feel honored to work to support those who have no desire to work but still pull up to the table of plenty. Perhaps you feel jealousy of others success because you can not excel at making money?
I was on the Debate Team. Arguing is a skill. Republicans need to learn how to do it effectively. You'd think since many are attorneys, they would be better at it.
Guess again liberal boy. LOT'S O' FILTHY RICH DEMOCRAT/HYPOCRITES
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I chose to drop politics from our friendship, or we wouldn't have had one today.
I agree SunshineConnie! I think that tenure should be outlawed…sour children deserve better than that!! If you have a job for life, without worrying about getting fired there is no incentive to do your best or even do a fair job!
the grounds already exist.
And you wonder why our educational system is broken and a waste of tax payer money.
I am Australian and I could debate the unconstitutional portions, based upon the Commerce clause and all.
How about the failure to support and defend the constitution of the United States, something he took an oath to do.
I concur! I love it when someone comes on here loaded with knowledge, that can shut up the liberal trolls..especially that one.!……:)
that would count the trolls out – they have 1/4 of a brain
what you are stating is total crap. Since health insurance is not across state lines… plus there are many other issues relating to the commerce clause…. dopey idiot!!!
keep going that is two of the clauses
he is NPD
Where do you get that you can deduct home mortgage interest? I believe you can deduct some of the principal…but NOT any of the interest..and yes Congress can tax..they cannot however MANDATE that the citizens of this country BUY something, just because the federal government says so!!
he displays all of those symptoms.
Another person who had the same symptoms was Adolf Hitler
You're arguing with an idiot…no matter what you say, he WANTS to believe in his Master's words..
Your language is designed to obscure what is happening. How can a tax be an "enforcement mechanism" when people are merely "permit[ted]" to do something? What is there to enforce, in that case?
It was proposed,……..
It was argued,……..
It was revised,……..
it was debated,……
It was voted on,……..
It was passed,…………….and now,……..only now,……..
It is being explained to us,………………
Somehow I do not believe that you have to be a Constitutional expert to realize that,………..
this bill's passing is on a shaky foundation.
Hey! I'm left-handed! I's not even remotely evil…better come up with a better analogy…..:)
You know Husker, you and Obama can argue the merits of this massive piece of junk until the cows come home, it is what it is…a massive piece of junk…what it is NOT is a health care bill…like Piglosi said…YOU have to pass this thing before YOU can see what's in it…sound lawful or Constitutional to you? If it does you need to actually 'study' history and READ the Constitution!!!
I think I like Article II Section 4 BEST!!! "The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors"….I believe we have work to do!!!
Of course they won't fins a lawyer who finds this unconstitutional! ALL lawyers are tethered to the criminal element (they know how to get away with anything) they are NOT going to say anything about this, as the lawyers have taken over the USA!! If any 'new' laws are written, one should be that NO LAWYER is allowed to run for office!!
I think that the most relevant argument has to do with the fact that it interferes with the rights of the states to determine their budgets. Where does the U.S. Constitution state that the federal government, through edicts, dictates, mandates or any other means, has the right to determine what the states spend their monies on?
I think it has the possibility of not only putting the kibosh on Obamacare but of all federally-mandated programs that the states are required to spend a single cent of their own funds to enact or enforce.
People,,, What do you expect out a Progressive-lib-left <>King County and Seattle ,WA!!
"A society whose citizens refuse to see and investigate the facts, who refuse to believe that their government and their media will routinely lie to them and fabricate a reality contrary to verifiable facts, is a society that chooses and deserves the Police State Dictatorship it's going to get."
— Ian Williams Goddard
"When once a republic is corrupted there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil."
–- Thomas Jefferson on the necessity of the impeachment
provisions to our Constitution
"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government — lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." — Patrick Henry "We the People are the rightful masters of both congress and the courts — not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution." — Abraham Lincoln
I believe you may mean "… enforce someones rights". That is the only way that the IRS would be necessary. How many "rights" do you know of that need to be "enforced" ?
How many times does "we will take them from behind" appear? Anyone see the article that says "Obama: US would go bankrupt without health changes" LMAO All I can do is throw my hands in the air and scream.
W,
I am dieting! My oldest is getting married this summer and I need to loose a few pounds….it sucks! But I know I will feel better if I get some pounds off…so maybe I am feeling anarchical…no merlot to soothe the soul!
Boy are you people stupid. Since the government can tax income from whatever source derived, they can allow deductions at their discretion. So they simply say, everyone's taxes just went up, but if you have health insurance or your income is not at a certain level, you do not pay the tax.
You are mixing up the general welfare clause with the 16th Amendment. Now go to a mirror and ask yourself this question. Can Congress, under the 16th Amendment allow a deduction on individual returns for mortgage interest, but not credit card interest? Now do not leave. Next question. Can Congress tax some income at higher rates than other levels of income?
LOL. Of course they're not…and I'm glad you know Him! (I wondered if some left-handers would get upset by the analogy).
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I knew the name-calling was coming. Always resort to that, don't you, liberals?
It is very easy to be unable to find your car if you only look in the refrigerator and the laundry basket. If you don't want to find something, just deliberately refuse to look where you know it to be. Simple as that.
I'm left-handed too, so you'd better count me in on the goat…they're good barbecued.
Some of the logic used by individuals here is unbelievable. I sure hope those who will have to defend this bill in court will be just a tad bit smarter than those here trying to explain the intracacies of the constitution. Look, people having health care isn't the worse thing in the world. I know I have never sat down and thought about how cool it would be to never have health insurance. The real problem with this bill or the idea behind it is that we all need to be taken care of by the government. There is a huge difference between enacting laws which provide ways to make it easier to get health care and just plain telling me I must buy it cause the government says so.
If you look at the bill itself in regards to the mandate you will find there is quite a bit of explanation given as to why the congress is enacting the mandate. They even cite a case from 1944 regarding insurance being interstate commerce. They clearly from the text are using the commerce clause, not the 16th amendment to justify this extraordinary requirement, which mandates a citizen to enter into a contract with a private entity just for being a citizen. Let's be real clear about the mechanism they use here…if you don't have insurance then you will have to pay a penalty. THIS IS NOT A TAX! Hey, if you wanted to raises taxes to offset the costs of universal care and pay for those who live recklessly then just do that. I'm guessing this would have been a very difficult thing to get passed. Like we need more taxes. I know, I know we already pay higher premiums because of the uninsured. This bill represents something far beyond the debate on health care. It speaks to the direction we want to take this country. It pits those who believe in freedom and choice against those who are willing to give up a little of both to have some government goodies. I understand the appeal of a president who seems to ride in on his white horse to give us all the things we need from his magic bag. Well, this has always been the MO for the Democratic party. Under the guise of helping others, they sweep in and are ready to solve everyone's problems though at any cost. Does anyone ever wonder if Nancy Pellosi or Harry Reid lay awake at night worrying about you and your family. Is there truly a belief these people go to Washington to help you. That seems terribly naive and childish if you have even a tiny understanding of politics in this country and the agenda behind these individuals. I'm not speaking of FEMA concentration camps or stupid stuff like that. But about keeping people dependent on the government and obtaining more power to control what you can and can't do in your daily lives. When Pellosi carried that gavel through the crowd for all to see…you truly believe that big smile on here face was about everyone getting health care. It was about a another power grab and another progressive step.
We do sometimes pay taxes for things we may not use ourselves. When single people pay property taxes which go towards schools or someone without a car who never drives. But these are taxes on our income and this is something the constitution clearly gives congress the right to do. So I can accept at times my taxes are misspent and misappropriated, this should also be of concern.
Let me see if I can try to dumb things down for the more simple minded left. Ok, so the federal government wants to build an amusement park. It is going to be built in the middle of the country for all to visit and enjoy with there families. This park will of course have unicorns and rainbows, maybe some pots of gold here and there. There would be cool rides like bankruptcy mountain, indiana jones and the temple of deficit spending of course. Now here's the thing, some might need help paying for the park admission since it's going to be expensive. I mean it is a government project so expect huge initial outlays and returns won't be seen until much later in the outlying years of course. Then of course since it will be all union workers, then it will be over budget and the obligatory delays due to labor disputes. But finally it gets completed, what a splendorous place it is. So now to make sure everyone can enjoy, cause having fun involves interstate commerce and is vital to reducing America's debt right? All Americans will be required to buy a season ticket to the park whether you will be able to make it that year or not. Now since some won't go, but will be buying a ticket this will offset the cost of subsidizing some tickets for those less fortunate. What if you don't want to buy the season tickets for your family, then you will pay a penalty! YES A PENALTY FOR EXISTING AS A CITIZEN AND NOT BUYING TICKETS WHICH YOU WILL NOT USE.
It's all just as absurd as HR 3590.
Hmmmmmm. A supposed "Institute of Higher Learning" that cannot find anyone to debate the opposing side of a question?
I sure hope they don't receive any government funds for their "University".
Do they have a debate team? If so, do they only debate the Politically Correct side of any topic? Must be boring.
Please, let me get out of California first!!!
rckmom
Sorry mom, on this item you made a mistake. I deduct interest paid on my mortgage every year.
Evey year I pay more in interest than I do in principal.
(most things you say I agree with)
Please, didn't the republicans learn their lesson with McCain? Running Romney is a repeat of the same mistake.
sorry, that argument doesn't hold water. Ever hear of video conferencing or conference calls? The technology exists for anyone anywhere to be in contact anytime.
ya but Cracker Jacks only cost a nickel there Lorben.
You are right about Miss Piggy,…….she did frame the series of events accurately.
sweetie, listen to granny and stop drinking so much kool-aid. I know it tastes good, but it's affecting your reasoning processes, as evidenced by all the name-calling you indulge in.
SC
yep… Very fiesty tonite….and very well articulated…
You de girl!!
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Actually, that guy WOULD be worth it to them, that's the problem, lol
I will "read" the Constitution right after you read the definition of "hypocrite" in a dictionary.
Laws are not passed under any section of the constitution? Please, you just confirmed how stupid you are. Let's see, the Civil Rights Acts got their legal authority from the Second Amendment?
And what federal agency is going to enforce the "mandate". Hmmm. The ATF. Nice try. The FBI. Guess again. The Interstate Commerce Commission. No. Oh, I know the IRS. Yep. You must file a form with the IRS showing that you have health insurance.
rckmom- you just confirmed the educational level of most persons on this page. No wonder they believe Rusty the Chickenhawk. Oh, and by the way, the since Congress can determine how to tax income, the courts long ago held they can also determine what are legitimate deductions. Please read the 16th Amendment. It does not say net income.
I guess the adults will just have 'deem" the unfunding, you know, like the CommieCrats. I hope it won't upset you too much if, in pursuit of cleaning up the DemoMess, we ignore the Constitution as blatantly as they did with this theft of yet another part of the private sector.
HuskersLoveBo
Joe earns $12,000 a year (tax rate 25%)… $3,000.
. He pays for health insurance ……………….$4,800
. He gets a 20% deduction for the insurance.. $960.
His tax liability becomes ………….$,2040.
His take home pay is ….$9,000 (minus both tax and insurance
————————-
Bob earns $12,000 a year (tax rate 25%)..$3,000.
He does not pay for insurance-pays fine…$800.
His tax liability becomes ……….$3,800.
His take home pay is …….$8,040. (minus both tax and fine)
———–
But under this bill Joe still pays $4,800 in insurance and $3,000 in taxes so he only has a take home of $3,200
Bob on the other hand has take home of $8,040 "and free health care"
**So who is rewarded? The responsible citizen or the leach?.
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I know these numbers do not reflect normal deductions granted everyone –I simplified for space (didn't wish to write an IRS booklet)
HuskersLoveBo
Sorry I left out Larry.
Larry gets food stamps…$1,680
Welfare………………………….$3,600
and free health care.
His take home is $5,280.
Well, I have heard the theory bandied about that if our dollar fails, not only does G. Soros make ANOTHER Billion+ like he did last year (off the crisis), but it will take wheelbarrows of money to buy anything. They can just run the presses day and night 365/24. Then, they would pay back the loans with worthless dollars.
Somehow, I can't imagine a country with enough money to loan, being that gullible…
Ooops wrong again, the legislation does NOT call it a tax…you do…
I find that there are those who never question anything that their parent raised them with….and then there are those of us who question everything! My father cannot believe I am a conservative….he wonders where he went wrong with me….
Nothing good! I thank the lord I live in N. Snohomish Co.
Congratulations! I am really excited for our daughter…ifs our first one to marry of three girls. She has a great conservative guy….I can breathe a sigh of relief on that!
I will survive…I will just take more walks with my pup! She keeps me laughing and luckily I don't have a bunch to loose.
TR
Did not see any news for this particular socialist…I thought he or she was deceased…
I recall how after 911 it was disclosed how terrorists will plan and wait years to pull off their attack just at the right moment to ensure its maximum impact; the sole virtue terrorists appear to possess is patience.
I think we are now realizing over the last year and a few months that the same can be said of those who seek to transform the U.S. from those ideals and attributes that allowed its citizens to achieve the greatest personal freedoms and economic success that the world has known to date. This transformation didn't just happen with the last two elections. Perhaps it has been, or is close to being, completed by those two voting cycles, but this transformation began decades ago, and it began through the educational institutions. If this were not the case, it would be unconscionable to logically conclude that today there are virtually no conservative ideologies espoused by those in authority of the primary, secondary and higher educational institutions in this country. It is logical to conclude the plans of those who seek to promote the rise of the welfare state in America and the demise of the ownership of private property in this country are now witnessing their long laid plans bearing fruit. The fact that the U of WA claimed it could not find a law professor on the faculty of its Law School to argue that Obamacare is unconstitutional is not surprising. To the contrary, it would have been shocking had the university found such a professor within the halls of its Law School given the far left shift in these establishments over the last 4 or 5 decades to the total exclusion of any right leaning philosophies or ideologies. This November may well be the last opportunity for those who oppose this transformation of the U.S. to begin their plan to reverse what has been achieved by those who seek to move the U.S further down the road of collectivism. With the number of Americans who pay no income tax approaching 50%, if a movement away from the course of the last year and several months is not begun soon, once the percentage of Americans who pay no income tax exceeds 50% the opportunity to do so will be lost for a long, long time.
Excellent point. When I took debate way back in the early 60's, one was often tasked to take the opposite side of their personal position on a topic and defend it. It sharpened the intellect.
What is passed off as debate today is nothing more than an argument. You can get one of those at a local bar, from "Monty Python" or your spouse.
By the way, I wish we had implemented some of the English system. Especially where the PM has to come to the floor of Parliament and defend his policies. Could you imagine Obummer doing that?
Government forcing anyone to buy anything is unconstitutional. Case closed. Go home.
More people saying the debate is settled and the experts have reached a consensus. Maybe these guys should go ask the global warming scientists how well that worked out for THEM!
TR
Good article……..Thanks..
If only we could send people like her to another part of the world…
Siberia or the Aussi Outback…
Great Idea……….I struggled with my simplistic division of areas and your comment would hold true to the balance of the country. If the area is a bastion of liberal vile then they get partitioned off and we the US of A keep the balance. I think the balance of my premise should hold pretty true.
I guess this is all wishful thinking, so the alternative is to all work hard to put the libs back in their box and close the lid forever.
RDK
Depending on where you live in California (and my goodness what a beautiful state, just got back from a trip to Santa Barbara), we could partition off parts that are conservative in thinking and keep them in the USofA, then let the balance fend for themselves. Similar partitioning could apply to other areas that have lib urban areas and major cities but the rural area trend conservative.
So move if you must, but please join us.
RDK
Ozzie
But remember…The trolls are expecting the best health care for everyone, as long as it's free..
Unfortunately, it will be the worst HC, not for everyone and for sure not free….
We are in for a mess and a long fight….
I dare you to list them all…
You have the rancid stink of a "public servant."
Be honest, you're a tax-parasite aren't you larry-boy???
It would be interesting to see a real Constitutional Law professor debate and educate the Mao-Tse-Bama (an amateur “lecturer”) on what the Constitution really says.
The S. Ct. (Hale v Henkle) has held that the “natural person” has an “unlimited” right to contract (or not to contract). Contracts result in a voluntary surrender of rights. While rights in this country supercede law, “contract obligations” supercede rights.
The S. Ct (De-Lovio v Boit, et al)) has also held that policies of insurance are “maritime contracts” that are regulated by the “admiralty jurisdiction”, the same “alien jurisdiction” spoken of in the Declaration of Independance, the similar abuses of which provoked the Revolutionary War.
The S. Ct. (Ramsay v Allegrie) warned that admiralty does not recognize and protect individual rights (it compells performance[law]), therefor no one can be subject to this jurisdiction but by his consent, by entering into a contract. We are warned to keep this anti-American jurisdiction within its proper bounds.
These are just some of many compelling reasons why this obamanation is unconstitutional
You comment is a silly non sequitur. But you probably don't know what that means.
Call back when you realize that DemCare means fewer doctors, longer waits, higher costs, less technology, less medical research —and government bureaucrats deny you the treatment you need because you're just not worth it to them.
If the Supreme Court rules that the Commerce Clause allows the Federal Government to compel everybody in America to buy a good (health care insurance) from a private company, then I guess that we can simply strike out every other word from the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, and the Bill of Rights except for the Fk'ing Commerce Clause. There are some strong words in the Declaration of Independence about governments that ignore the will of the people to which we should pay close attention!
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
So true hippie, I concur ~
Typical Obamaite…good one!
How sad is that – a non-American understands the Constitution better than some of the citizens of the United States.
It's nice to hear that, btw, ozzieaussie.
It used to be "Hide and (They'll) seek" when they owned the game!!! Now that we realize the reason they can't find us (The Civil, their opposition) is because they wanted us to stay obscure (We'd sit/stand in plain sight and still they couldn't find us)!!! Until now they have always been the unseeking seekers!! They don't have to seek anymore, we quit playing by their rules, it's our turn to seek!! "Ready or not, here we come"…..We intend to pursue Criminal charges… Treason is not out of the equation!!!
I absolutely LOVE the idea. It's very powerful. It shows that we know that they are spreading lies about us, and also that they wish to silence us instead of debate the issues.
Very powerful indeed.
If I can go this year, I will (I went to the 9/12 one last year and was very glad I did!).
Ok, here's a start, anyway. The President has taken an oath to "preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States,” correct? So far, he has violated that oath by:
1) Bypassing the Senate by appointing multiple Czars to make policy. (Yes, other presidents have appointed Czars as well, but for the purpose of advising, not policy making.) The Czars report directly to him and are not held accountable to Congress; therefore, not held accountable to the American people. You remember us? The ones who who pay their salaries? This would be "Exceeding the constitutional bounds of the powers of the office in derogation of the powers of another branch of government." (I'm quoting from the Judiciary Committee in 1974 following Watergate, when they listed charges of misconduct incompatible with the official position of the officeholder.) http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/spe...
2) Attempting to control private industry. (GM? Banks? The student loan program? Health insurance?) This would fall under (Judiciary Committee again) “Behaving in a manner grossly incompatible with the proper function and purpose of the office.”
3) In the health care bill there were grants designed to fund groups like ACORN, (or, now that they're allegedly defunct, whatever they are choosing to call themselves now.). Sen. Christopher Dodd, said ACORN could qualify to receive health-care grants under a provision of the bill that provides money for groups that are members of a “national network of community based organizations.” Payback, payoffs, coercive influence, this isn't improper use of power by a man with 20 year ties to ACORN?
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2009/07/evidenc...
My mother was raised in Britain and only emigrated here on her own in the late 60s. She is a devout Catholic and does NOT believe in abortion. She only voted in like one election and it definitely wasn't for a Democrat. But she basically hates all politicians and doesn't trust any of them and still has a European Socialist leaning to her at times. Although, she will listen to what I have to say and after I went to the 9/12 March – she was against it because she thought there would be violence and I would get hurt (Yes, I laughed at that one!) – she said that she admired me for standing up for what I believe in.
I often bring up certain things and I think she is understanding where I am coming from, but her distrust of politicians runs very deep – she thinks they are all full of crap and only out for themselves.
You took a lot of space to say Obama is guilty of being a Democrat. Sadly for you , that is not an impeachable offense. This is nothing but partisan whining.
Excellent point Ralph….this HC Bill is more costly than money!
People will be shocked when they learn that Obamacare requires that doctors "Tweet" their patients – no more personal visits – a shocking report by SPN Headlines at:
http://spnheadlines.blogspot.com/2010/03/obama-he...
Smile! Jesus has risen.
Not only does it show they are spreading lies about us, it speaks of our Freedom of Speech being taken away….
Actually we just plan to go silent if anyone from the left shows up….it would have an eerie effect in my mind.
8/28/10
So you want the president to be impeached for having Czars? That's pretty silly.
Obama provided a short term loan to prevent an industry vital to the United States from collapsing in the middle of a banking meltdown. We haven't even seen a serious court challenge on this one. To suggest he wants to be in the car business is ignoring the facts on the ground.
The heath care legislation was passed by the congress and signed by the president and is the law of the land. You don't get to impeach a president for laws that you don't like.
I see a trend here. You are throwing stuff out there and hoping something sticks. It makes you sound foolish and uninformed.
hadnt thought about that
im really not into goat hiney
The Almighty is more concerned with our relationships than politics. With that said I don't believe He wants us to be apolitcal in this world, but may have to chose to be with certain folks. I too try to avoid politics with him….but admit I am finding creative ways to make him think about what is going on. At times he will agree with me.
Amen
I think your momma is correct on her perception of politicians in the here and now. But of course I do believe that there are folks at different times in our history that are anomalies and are just true patriots. Ronald Reagan was one….a true patriot. I have a feeling we are on the verge of electing in many of such folks in 2010 and 2012.
I am working in our Senatorial race in our state for such a person. He is more concerned about reinstating the foundation of our Constitution than anything. That is happening all around the country….now we just need to get the GOP Platform to reflect the Teaparties concerns for our country. I am working our County Caucus on the Platform and with what I see being proposed on that level….I am excited.
Continue to talk with share with your momma and she may even get excited about voting. It is interesting though how those who come from the midst of socialism cannot seem to shed it all. She is blessed to have you ladykrystyna.
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Ah, got it. You request a "list" in an earlier post, I offer you a "list" as you requested, therefore I am "throwing stuff out there (eg: a "list") and hoping something sticks."
BOboy You are the one who wanted to treat the 16th as if it was a stand alone document. Sorry you did not like the outcome. Now rather then try to save face by changing topics how about you do the big boy thing and look in the mirror and say to yourself, "I am a loser and the first thing I must do is admit the problem so i can move on." Then put your gameboy in your back pack and get out of your folks basement. the first step is the hardest we here are all rooting for you.
Wow, are you a tool.
Czars MAKING policy is against the Constitution. The simple reality that you can't understand that shows how brain washed you are by HuffingtonPuffington and DailyKos.
And again you show your lack of basic CAPITALISTIC PRINCIPLES. There is NO industry out there ANYWHERE making ANY PRODUCT that is "vital" to the US. To the Unions – yes, but NOT to the US. If they can't make a profit on their OWN because they LET THEMSELVES be ruled by the Union, then they NEED to fail. I suppose you'd want all the Buggy Whip makers to STILL be in business – because that's what BoBo IS doing.
And here's the clincher – JUST because someone WON an election, now wait for it – DOESN'T give them a right to do "anything" they want – especially IGNORING the OATH they took.
Quoting the Koolaid really makes you sound foolish and uninformed. You must be the product of the wonderfully current LACK of Historical teaching in our public schools. I went to school in the 70's and 80's and even then, they didn't teach ANYTHING about the Constitution.
You forgot to add something to the first four…..
It was proposed,……..behind locked doors by Dem's ONLY
It was argued,……..behind locked doors by Dem's ONLY
It was revised,……..behind locked doors by Dem's ONLY
it was debated,……behind locked doors by Dem's ONLY
There ya go!
So it really isn't just a river in Egypt is it.
Well if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black (Oppps that could be called a racist remark!)
You toss out facts you don't like any time it suits your point. It makes you sound like an intellectually dishonest hypocrite.
We get to toss out the health care "law" as written because it violates the constitution (you might have heard of it, its that little piece of paper that our country was founded on). Sadly we can't impeach the president because the same crooks, liars and cheats in the White House are the same as the ones in the Congress and the ones in Congress are too spineless to fulfill their fiduciary responsibilities to their electorate in order to maintain an orderly government. Thanks to the democrats we are becoming a country on men ruled by a dictator rather than a republic ruled by laws.
You may go back to your medical dispensary for a refill now.
Czars don't make policy, that's a lie. They serve at the pleasure of the president to advise and implement his policies. If you had a problem with czars you need to blame GW Bush… he had several dozen of them and was the first president to greatly expand their use. And if you think they are unconstitutional, take it to court. Let me know how that works out for you.
Now this is pretty basic stuff, but when you win and election you are in charge of the government. And when you lose, you get to whine on blogs.
Nothing you presented is unconstitutional. If appointing Czars was not constitutional the Republicans would be lining up in front of the court houses to challenge it. They aren't… So you should ask yourself why is this. When they send you letters asking for money they say the president is overstepping his authority, but they do nothing about it. That should have been your first clue.
The auto company loans was hardly the first time the government bailed out a car company. Carter did it 30 years ago. No one talked about impeaching him for it.
And Acorn is every righty's favorite whipping post. Your credibility ended there.
Now you just caught yourself and ADMITTED they do something they aren't allowed to. An Un-appointed, Un-Vetted person isn't ALLOWED to implement ANYTHING. What is it about that, that YOU cannot understand?
There's people who don't know, then there are those who once they DO know – understand. And then there's YOU – who DO know – but REFUSE to acknowledge. Willfully Ignorant is my new OLD term for you, I've been using it since the Carter years.
And back to the "well, Bush did it so…." excuse. You forgot the ©, ® and ™ after anything that's part of the Bush's Fault SYNDROME©®™. What a wonderful LEMMING attitude you have there huh? Because someone ELSE did something WRONG, that makes it OK for BoBo to do something wrong too???
Ask Hank Johnson for his opinion. He's a lawyer.
So you REALLY think we have to wait until some COURT says something before YOU will believe it?
Hahahahahhhahahahahahahhahaa
Thank you for your confirmation of your lack of real PERSONAL thought. You have to wait until someone ELSE tells you what to think of something.
The courts will decide what is constitutional. But I don't even see it being challenged in court. If it is unconstitutional it needs to be challenged, and the fact that it isn't tells me you are being lied to by the RNC for money. Somebody has to pay for the lesbian strippers. If they can make you mad enough maybe you will make a contribution.
I'm not the one that thinks czars are unconstitutional. And until the courts tell us differently they are they will continue to be a part of presidential administrations.
Bush used them too… both with a friendly Republican congress and a hostile Democratic congress. Was it a problem for you then?
OK… I'll use smaller words.
I used the word law – not bill – because it is a law. I said we, as in 13 states (of which I'm a member of one of those) and at least one private law suit, are working on taking the case through the courts to over turn this law.
I said the case of the Czars is really for the congress to deal with. Perhaps you're objecting because I didn't give my reasoning — so in the smallest words possible and just for you — the courts don't get to make cases. People have to file them. They file them with the court system. Only those people who are "in standing" get to file them. "In Standing" means that the party filing has to pass the test of, "they are being harmed in some way." Since the Czars are eroding away from the rights of Congress it is up to the Congressional (Oh, is that too big a word?) leaders to file the case. Since they haven't done it and it seems very unlikely they will then it is a reasonable assumption (damn it another big word) that they won't. That they aren't safe guarding the rights and powers of the congress, it is my opinion that they are spineless but I am willing to await the findings of a physician (those are people who help others in medical matters) on that one. (warning – get your dictionary out) It would also be reasonable to extrapolate that they won't do it because they are the same dishonest, power grubbing crooks as are in the White House — more formally known as Democrats.
I never said Czars were unconstitutional.
A more reasonable retort might be, don't read your own words into a message. Perhaps you would like to respond to the points made. If you are having problems with the English language — I can accommodate by speaking S_L_O_W_E_R A_N_D L_O_U_D_E_R
The consent of "the governed" is given on election day, not in daily public opinion polls.
You just can't stand it when someone disagrees with you… the labels and the name calling are symptoms of an unreasonable frustration. You should take a little break.
You really need to read the Supreme Court decisions regarding the Commerce Clause. Let me help you with an example. Uninsured individuals cross state lines to receive medical care. Since they do not have insurance, they do not have the ability to pay the bill. So some of the bill is passed down to the state the hospital is located in because hospitals do what every business does with their bad debts, they pass the costs down to their paying customers. As a result you have interstate commerce.
I know about the court challenges, and until they are successful health care reform will remain the law of the land. In my opinion they will fail and you will have to win an election to change anything.
Believe it or not obummer is left-handed !!
Noticed that when he signs bills !!!
I guess we need to move the University of Washington degrees down to the bottom of the barrell for worthlessness. Sorry Huskies, when you spout trash, you should be trashed!!!
They were looking for someone credible.
Ahhhh…you're trying to bring up that nasty UN-Constitutional thing called "Precedence". Which are courts rulings SPECIFICALLY against the Constitution, and then OTHER courts refer to it in their OWN un-Constitutional rulings. (See, then they wouldn't have to actually CALL them something else if they actually kept their rulings WITHIN the bounds of the Constitution.)
Got anything else that we can shoot down?
HPD: I just couldn't do that to Oz. They have been good allies.
Anyway, the Aborigines would probably just send her back before she got out of the packing crate.
In a word — YES.
The formal title of a Czar is "Special Advisor". The word 'Special' would tend to denote that there is something special about their position. For example, it would be temporary in nature to fit a specific need outside the normal course of conducting the affairs of the government. The word 'Advisor' would tend to denote that they provide advise — kinda wacky I know.
The objections I have are really two fold. The first one is that appointments made by the executive branch of the government (to help you out there — this is the group of crooks that includes the president) are ideally suppose to be confirmed by the congress (that's the other group of crooks headed up by Harry Reid and Nancy Plastic Face). Now in the case of 'Special Advisors', these jobs are not suppose to be duplicative of the departments of the cabinet (you can think of this as being the room where the executive branch is keeping all the excess crooks that they only need for special functions). The reason for this is that the departments heads have reporting functions to congress and have to answer questions and stuff like that. A special advisor doesn't have that requirement so they really shouldn't be more powerful that a secretary of a department.
My second concern is that special advisors should be advisors — they should only give advise. They shouldn't have administrative duties.
Not what Berry has done is somewhat unique. He has special advisors which are performing as administrative lesions between the president and his cabinet. So that would be duplicative of a department secretary's job is. Additionally at least one of his special advisors has a budget that is bigger that the entire governments budget was in the 1980s and because they are in the role of 'Special Advisor' there is not accountability to congress for what is being done with this money.
I have a problem with it any time either one of these conditions is in play. Now having said that, your massah has taken this abuse of power to a whole new level which has never been seen before. That is why everyone is having a much larger problem with it now that in the past.
ladykrystyna: "…her distrust of politicians runs very deep – she thinks they are all full of crap and only out for themselves."
I think your mother is prescient.
Kudos to you, Lorben! You are one of the ones who WALKS YOUR TALK! We need more!
And it is exactly that point of view which is causing the constitutional crisis we have today and the same view point that gets the serving democrats yelled at when they bother to show up to town hall meetings or answer the phones.
"the governed" also get a wonderful tool called the recall vote. We don't have to wait for an election to kick them out.
Now honestly, I really don't care if people disagree with me. Doesn't really bother me at all. But when Democrats think they can squelch the point of views of others, that one rubs me the wrong way. Such as when my employee, my representative starts to decide what's better for me personally — yeah I don't go for that either.
I don't have a problem with czars, either Bush's or Obama's. Running our government is a big job and the president who is ultimately responsible should have all the help they want.
I also think that with very few exceptions, the senate should confirm the president's political appointments in good order. I don't blame them for digging in their heals on lifetime appointments like judges, but the president should have whoever he wants in his administration. Occasionally there will be a candidate who is unqualified to serve, but they should be the exception and not the rule for delaying political appointments.
We are seeing the appointment confirmation process used as a political weapon and it is going to result in the expansion of the use of czars and recess appointments.
No, that says everything about you I need to know… thanks for playing.
I think you assume too much. I'm not running for office but I appreciate your confidence in me.
Actually I believe that America just needs to elect public servants who fully understand their roles and responsibilities. That they are answerable to the public for their actions and that laws are in place to control those actions and as such prevent the government from eroding the freedom of the people.
Unlike democrats who pull the lever and hope their checks keep coming, I believe in self reliance and responsibility. I look forward to the days ahead when the government gets back out of my life and allows me and my fellow brethren to breath the free air God has provided them.
Perhaps you are refer to the school safety czar who was giving mandatory safe fisting seminars to 13 and 14 year olds?
Perhaps the broadcasting czar that extols the virtues of Hugo Chavez's clamp down on free speech?
I think the recess appointments are a chicken shit way to give someone a job period by any president and they should do away with it entirely. Also, Berry didn't appoint these people and congress didn't hold up their confirmation. He waited until the recess to make the appointments.
hundreds of judges and lawyers have publicly declared their challenge to the legality of Obamacare, including Andrew Napolitano.
I would wager that the legality (or lackthereof) is rather simple for anyone to comprehend…well, maybe unless you voted for Obama.
Beat me to it. Absolutely typical.
…and let us not forget that over a dozen states are drafting bans of Obamacare, while 3 dozen are considering it
Seriously? You're kidding me right?
Ok…. NJ has a recall law on the books to recall sitting representatives from congress. While the current NJ secretary of state tried to ignore the law (go figure – another democrat) there is a current process following that law to recall one of there Senators. I'll grant you that the laws are not uniform if even present in all 50 states but I think the point of the rebuttal is clear.
I guess you can call the screaming at town halls a political tactic but if we have to acknowledge that then it must also be recognized that sitting democrat officials hiring union members to throw eggs at buses is just a political tactic as well. Of course the former is legal discourse and the latter is breaking the law and causing public endangerment — but again it's totally understandable once you consider the source.
If we could guarantee every appointee an up or down vote in the senate we could do away with recess appointments.But when you have the minority holding up every last appointment to gain some kind of political advantage the system is broken.
Obama has been in office for 15 months and still has almost a hundred positions to be filled that are being held up by filibuster or on hold because Colburn or Inhofe or Bunning thinks they can use it as a political bargaining chip.
It would be interesting to see what would happen if a state did try to recall a senator. I'm sure it would immediately be challenged in the courts, because there is no provision in the constitution to recall a federal officer. I think in the end it would still be up to the congress to vote.
Seriously? You're kidding me right?
That's not realistic and here's why. A confirmation hearing is well a hearing — wacky I know. The government just seems to love the word hearing too and they use it for all sorts of different types of meetings. But they have a really good reason for using this particular word.
It's where people get to hear testimony. It's true there are usually decisions that have to be made after the hearings but that's really after the hearing proceedings have concluded. If the president has so many damn appointments that need to be filled perhaps he should make the damn appointments. The hearings can't be scheduled until congress knows who to call to the hearing.
Strange, we have common ground again but for two completely different reasons. I agree, Berry has been in office for 15 months, and we're still waiting for him to execute. Given the reasons for the failures in his TSA appointments the system seems to be working just fine. My suggestion to Berry might be that he should look beyond his circle of corrupt friends when making appointments and it should go a lot smoother.
I found this abstract on Sen. Lugar's website. It addresses the question of the recall of elected federal officials:
http://lugar.senate.gov/services/pdf_crs/Recall_o...
The senate cannot conduct over 500 hearings at the same time. The appointments are not made until the senate is ready to take them up for good political reasons… Once the appointment is made the opposition goes on camera and starts throwing bricks. No president has ever submitted a complete list of appointments without seeing where the opposition is going to come from.
TR
Don't care where this type goes as long as they are GONE…I would go so far as to pay them a lump sum in exchange for their passports and a written promise NEVER to darken our doorway ever again…
Interesting but the action is still afoot in NJ
I agree why would the IRS have to enforce a right…I guess paying taxes is a right too…Good lets make sure everyone enjoys that right…No more tax credits for anyone …to include corps…lets all have the right equally….of course the left wants to pick and choose your rights…Wants corp taxes to go up…wants to let the unproductive pay nothing……If your so worried Bo about costs and taxes…PAY MORE OF YOUR OWN MONEY….Just send the IRS extra from your check..just give it to the government…but no you want all of us to pay for your little Utopia…easy to do when you dont have to pick up the extra tab
I woke up the other day and realized that I am really Amish! That's right! So I am founding the First United Amish Church of Arizona. I realize that I have a long way to go to fully implement the tenets of Amishism, it will be a life long struggle to implement all the tenets, but I am working on it. Unfortunately I have to use a lot of the tools of modern society to get the Church up and running. Guess I'll just have to live with that. I am Amish, no doubt!
I may be no wise (I'm guessing that "wise" must be spanish for "arrogant") latina, but my suggestion to Berry still stands…
Perhaps he should consider keeping his vacationing family in DC more often rather then jet setting on Air Force One all the time. That way he can actually get more work done. After all he hasn't made a deadline yet and he's getting further behind. Then in order to get his appointments through congress without a hitch he might consider looking beyond his circle of corruption for appointees.
Now this is just partisan whining…
I'm not whining… those would be my suggestions and I'm not alone. Folks in the democrats are finding it hard to support his vacationing life style taking the kids and wife on hops all over the globe in AFO. And seeing that he's starting to cancel them on AFO more often now it seems he's starting to feel the pressure and taking the advice.
People all over are concerned about him being out — not just out of touch but out of the office.
You shouldn't consider it partisan whining so much as collateral damage in a target rich environment.
Everywhere the president goes, the office goes with him. It was GWB who set the standard for vacation time away from DC. His eight weeks in Crawford alone was more time than Obama takes off. And I don't think you got too worried about presidential trips until a Democrat came into office… that's why it's partisan whining.
Once again, people with legit grievances about unemployment and their standard of living who are looking for answers have been duped by the business class and politicians on the right to believing the enemy is the government. Sad that you have been lead to believe that an unaccountable corporate entity like the insurance companies are worth bitterly defending over an accountable government who wants to supply you with free services. You have all been conned.
So sad. I pray you grow a brain. And I do make money. Have a beautiful apartment in a trendy area of NYC working in a very competitive industry. But I know the difference between moral and immoral. And basing access to and quality of healthcare based on wealth is simply immoral any way you slice it.
I think you need to look up the word "empirical" before indulging in that kind of speculation especially since the bill was passed only two weeks ago. furthermore this is not government run healthcare. There is no public option. The sacred insurance companies still run the show.
Why does that even matter when OMAOba has (or had) a filibuster proof senate and congress??? The repub's couldn't hold up anything…this is all democrats!!! Thanx for playin'…
So it was wrong GWB did it right??? So why do you use that argument to defend OMAOba??? Once OMAOba reaches that magical thresh hold of vacation time, then will you criticize OMAOba for it??? I think not…
IT'S YOUR POINT!!! YOU were the one using a talking point (from the 1930's) about all the rich "upper class shills like Palin, Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck and the political right" are "all millionaires using you, whitey, as cannon fodder like …blah, blah, blah…".
Do we need to read the Court record back to sir? Do you need you memory refreshed?
I'm refuting your tacit accertion that "all rich people are Republicans".
They're HYPOCRITES because these RICH Dems PASS LAWS that hamstring the "proletariat" and screw the TAX PAYER while they can comfortably skirt the same laws they pass. These a$$holes can BUY their way out of socialism they burden everybody else with, it's that simple.
Be respectful to the lady. Get "uppity" with me.
Sadly the Czar thing is really a problem with Congress giving Berry a green light rather than taking him to court over over stepping his bounds.
But they are all Democrats too.
LOL mikatollah isn't a capitalist but a socialistic statist. It doesn't bother mikatollah one bit that Berry is changing this country without the consent of the governed nor consideration to the rule of law. Rather it serves his purpose to see the failure of the once great and free nation, to watch it fall into the socialistic, blood thirsty rule of soulless tyrants.
He watches gleefully as the current reincarnation of Mao and his fellow worshipers of the mass murder's of the ages take over the once great nation, seizing the rights and property of the innocent.
The myopic vision from that point of view defines its ignorance that once a freedom is lost for one of us, it is lost for all of us. It's out spoken nature does not wait to reason that when we speak it is not out of partisanship but out of pain – that we watch as our tyrannical government stem rolls over our brothers and sisters and we empathize with their pain while we fear when our turn will come.
You have not provided one fact. Facts have foundations in law and science. You have nothing but baseless accusations. Czars are not unconstitutional until the court says they are. The health care bill is law until the court strikes it down or the congress changes it… that's how our system work.
Now a reasonable argument would be something like, "In my opinion the appointment of czars by the president is unconstitutional and should be challenged in the courts". That would be reasonable. Parroting the talking point that this or that is unconstitutional is just venting.
<DIV>Good I am glad to hear you can support yourself! When we encourage, train and force (by eliminating free) the employment of our populace they can attain Health-care. When the government simply lays the guilt trip on productive people and discourages the non-productive to stay that way what is accomplished? Nothing but re-distribution of wealth. Have you helped the poor? No, you are simply re-enforcing the mindset that others have to pay my way. At some point in time the producers can not keep up with the non-producers. Then you have excessive taxation. Think out of the box here with me for a minute. If excessive taxation makes it not attractive to stay as a small business entity and small businesses shut down and the owners put their money in the bank or take off to travel or flee the country what do you have? I think it is an ill equipped group of government worker bees and a populace who wait on the welfare check. Now, I am not trying to start a war here at all but an exchange of thoughts. </DIV> <DIV>You say you are doing quite nicely in NYC. Glad to hear that. How many of the Millionaires who owned businesses and lived in NYC and NJ have left due to taxes in the past few years? I have seen adozen interviewed and read many stories of it. So, the millionaires tax has actually decreased the tax base. If you hobble people to the point that the do nothings have as much as the do somethings in this nation, I truly believe we will have a civil war and many of the entrepreneur types who know how to make a success will have fled. Just my thoughts, but shared by many. Take a look at the new planned poverty guidelines and tell me where is the incentive for the average working class family in this country? There is none. They can work 40 hours a week and someone who never works can eat as good if not better and have as much discretionary income as they do. We are very close to the tipping point Larry.
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LOL…nooooo I haven't given anything to the RNC since Reagan. But that's not what you've been told in your talking points has it.
I actually READ the Constitution and the Federalist Papers to "tell" me what to think about what the Government is ALLOWED to do, and more specifically what they AREN'T allowed to do. Maybe YOU should try that.
You should add 200 years of case law to your reading list so that you will not be so confused when the courts don't agree with you. You see in our country you can scream and yell all you want, but it's the courts who decide what is, and what is not constitutional.
Thank you Jamesb! I checked with my friend Merriam Webster to confirm MORAL an IMMORAL per larrypuma77 and just as I thought there is no government reference in either. But, I do believe it is not moral to reward immoral behavior.
Free is not worth it because there is NO FREE. Just someone else paying the freight .
"Could you imagine Obummer doing that? " Remember yesterday in Charlotte and 2800 words over 17.5 minutes for a simple yes/no question response? SNOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRREEEE
The exodus will astound the leftover welfare state and the transfer of wealth will be to other countries.
Some states have provisions for recalling elected officials but federal officials must be impeached or in the case of the congress, removed by a vote of the house or senate… ie, only the senate can remove a senator from office.
The screaming by the right at town halls is a political tactic. It is designed to use the media to make it look like you lots of angry support for an issue. Didn't work for health care reform.
And once you finish building that tall wall…fill it with water.
Of course, Miss Connie. He can get nasty with me all he wants; I know you can take care of yourself but I invite some harsh responses and that's cool with me, but aimed at you ladies here, er – no.
The entire left is selling this HC takeover as a "morality issue" or a "rights" as part of "life, liberty and pursuit of happiness" thing. Nope.
I'd like a new Ferrari and a home in Boca, that would make me "happy" but no government I know is going to buy me one (yet).
His argument doesn't hold water, or champagne – whatever he drinks.
NJ is not the only state with laws on the books. 18 or 20 states have provisions for federal recalls, it's just that no one knows if can be done because it isn't in the Constitution and has never been challenged in court. No congressman has ever been recalled.
That IS tempting!
Heard snippets on some of the shows, but really I try to ignore anything the man says. When his lips are moving, he is telling another lie.
When he comes on I almost always leave the room. Yesterday I worked in the pea patch a bit and checked on some stocks. I can read a recap in about 5 minutes that takes that fool and hour to speak!
You are a wise person.
Granholm has always been an arrogant dolt and she stooooopid toooo.
"Perhaps if they could dictate a phase in but is that even a legal possibility how do you do the undoable?"
It can be done… Remember Judge Harold Greene and the "Bell System" and divestiture? I lived it, worked it and damn near got killed by it, but I am still alive.
I'd love to see all bills be handwritten then read aloud in context prior to votes.
Oh yeah, and no electronic voting. All votes must be by blind ballot just like we citizens have to do.
Thank you keepdad! Also, let me know when you start the Amish Church and I will swing by from Gilbert for some fellowship.
If I'm not pushing up the daisies it sounds fun! Mules work the Rim a bit better than horses though. I knew some oldtimers who worked on placing the utilites to the Rim.
Wow! There are rich democrats! Oh lord! Thats some real investigative reporting.
It's because of the procedural process rules in the senate. All senate business is conducted by unanimous consent. Any one senator can object to a point of order, and when they do, the motion is tabled. Now when you have 530 presidential appointments to consider on the floor, and 40 senators taking their turns objecting, the usual business of the senate can be brought to a standstill.
Then there is the right of any senator to put an indefinite hold on any nomination or group of nominations… and they can do it anonymously and often it is difficult for the public to learn who is doing it. Like in March when Jim Bunning put a blanket hold on all presidential appointments being considered by the senate…. he didn't even need a good reason, he just wanted to stall the process. When the heat gets too hot he'll remove his hold and some other senator will take his place and the procedural process begins again.
So no, this is actually all Republicans.
You misunderstood my point. I don't care where Bush took his vacations. He took a lot of heat for it in the media, but not from me. I was responding to the blogger who was trying to make a political point out of Obama's travels.
I don't care any more about Obama's vacations than I did about Bush's… presidents travel, some more than others. Some criticisms of Obama are warranted and some are silly. This is venting partisan frustration.
You don't think, you react with lots of question marks like some kind of junior high school girl. It's a very strange way to make a political point.
Sorry, there will be no debate. Phil Hare the Ill. Rep. let the cat out of the bag when he said I don't care about the Constitution. And neither does any other Democrat/Statist from Obama, Pelosi, Reid on down.
We have a bingo!! : )
Well HuskersLoveBo – I'm one of those "uninsured" but unlike those welfare mama's you talk about, I lay cold hard cash on the counter every time I visit the hospital or the doctor. Pretty big difference there. I "work" and the welfare mama's don't. I support myself, welfare mama's are taken care of by guys like me that do work and pay taxes. So – big difference. Hard to believe you can't comprehend the difference.
As one of those "uninsured" folks that you like to compare to a "welfare mama" – I'd have to inject here that I probably paid more in taxes in the last three years than guys like you have made in your lifetime. It's what supports those "welfare mama's" – guys like me who work.
The only way to overturn progressive case law decisions is by constitutional amendment. There have been so many activist judges handing out decisions that fit an ideology and not the founding principles, that our whole system is shifted leftward. There are volumns and volumns of notes that were taken during the ratification process for our constitution at state levels. The meaning of the words is well documented and well ignored by judges these days. They all look at precedence instead of origins.
PLEASe MAKE SURE THAT Nancy, Barbara and Maxine are in the liberal bastions and they can never get a passport to visit us!
I'll give the odds!
10,000,000,000,000,000 to 1 but that's a conservative estimate!!
Boy! I have a lot to learn!
Well, first I got to find me one of them funny hats and suspenders. Then grow a beard. Then I got to figure out what the heck the Amish tenets are. Then I'll have to get a horse and wagon, head up to the Rim country to cut down some trees to haul back to Peoria. Once I have the church up I'll let you know. Ought to take about 10 years.
Funny how leftists can't find anyone to debate their views on things like the conststutionality of universal healthcare or the scientific validity of global warming, but they can come up with every reason in the world that ACORN should not have been defunded by congress!
Missy
You're pretty pessismistic about ObambaCare working, this morning and it'sEaster
Our best to you and your family …
Here's a reply to your welfare mom vs. uninsured person argument. Pregnancy is a choice that people make, women do say, "gee, I'd like another child". No one says, "Gee, I want to contract AIDS or break my hip or get H1N1".
That is not the norm with insurance, health care is far and away a local transaction. Plus, before the healthcare bill, the federal government actually barred the selling of health insurance across state lines, specifically excluding it from legislation under the commerce clause. It is not like that restriction was lifted, then insurance companies did business across state lines and then the healthcare bill passed.
Where exactly did you say you got your law degree? If not that then how about we start simply, did you graduate high school?
Not pessimism, optimistically certain of disaster…
LOL
It's my official cost and benefit analysis; 10 trillion worth of spending and 1 dollar of savings per year…
But not overly pessimistic…
I worked for a part of the Bell System and we worked around the clock to not impact the public for many many months leading up to the date. Inventory, eqpt changes, line painting in the buildings, non-stop training. The judge signed the order and many months later it was complete and the public noticed nothing until the mailboxes were full of try me adverts. The real work was quiet, orderly and transparent to all not in telecom at the time. I am glad to still be hanging around myself MiPain! Thanks for the prod to take the trip down memory lane.
That was an amazing transition, I never lost my dial tone (wow thats a term I dont use often).It makes the Y2k transition folks look like whinners. So Connie from a consumer perspective it seems it was a good thing, although slumping cost curves followed the rising technology curves, so I am not sure how much was a result of competition. Tell me from an insider perspective, good thing or bad thing? Was it a nessacery leveling of the playing field or a stock holder rape?
The Bell System was the envy of the worlld for the quality, mfg, technology and labratory of scientists assembled under a very big umbrella. It was a monopoly with a guaranteed rate of return and Ma Bell employed millions at fair wages and benefits. Judge Green forced the break-up and it was done. Towards the end of his life he acknowledged that the break-up was not the best thing for the country or the people. The largest computer data base in the worl is still in use by all telco's in the US. The Bell Labs is virtually non-existent but created many things in common use today. I saw the 1st version of hi-def over 20 years ago and it was only 1 in thick as a prototype. They worked with the early space program and the CIA. Bell Labs was a National Treasure. Long Distance pricing was on its way down as the fiber optics was in very early stage deployment at Devistiture. The Trans-Atlantic cable connecting the world is still in use. In my opinion, America lost in the name of competition which costs more and delivers less.
Divestiture good point, so that "ring" in my ear may be hope calling. Connie I am hoping that "damn near got killed by it" is dramatic license, please do tell. In any case I am glad you are still with us.
Obviously, GWU doesn't teach the same CONSTITUTIONAL law, that the libRETARDS at harvard teach!
All this healthcare does is give blacks and mexiacans more of our hard earned money. how did we get to a place where they have more power then hard working Americans? its time to wake up and take our country back!
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