Understanding Liberal Rage Over Citizens United
by Brian GarstOn paper the Citizens United case has all the makings of a solid liberal issue. First Amendment protections, considered sacrosanct by the left when a reporter is leaking classified information, are strengthened for those speaking truth to power. Both the ACLU and AFL-CIO support the decision. So why are prominent liberals speaking out so vehemently against it?

It would be easy to chalk up liberal outrage to a general hatred for all things corporate. But is that enough to overcome what otherwise seems like a tailor-made liberal issue? After all, the ACLU said “[the prohibition on corporate speech] is facially unconstitutional under the First Amendment because it permits the suppression of core political speech.” Moreover, the corporate gains, which liberals might feel benefit the right, are offset by those of the unions and other liberal issue groups that benefit from the ruling just the same. The net political impact is thus neutral, suggesting that their opposition isn’t political in nature. Neither is it based on the merits. Rather, it is philosophical.
Consider the following reactions to the decision from the left. The New York Times editorialized the decision as a “blow to democracy,” and a “disastrous 5-to-4 ruling” that “has thrust politics back to the robber-baron era of the 19th century.” Talk about overwrought.
President Obama decried the “stampede of special interest money” that will somehow “[undermine] the influence of average Americans.” Senator Patrick Leahy warned that the decision would “change the course of our democracy.” And the ever-contemptible Rep. Alan Grayson must have been hyperventilating when he declared that “this is the worst Supreme Court decision since the Dred Scott case. It leads us all down the road to serfdom.”
As if these politicians aren’t bad enough, the liberal blogosphere is even worse, as frantic left-wing bloggers and their readers have been busy declaring an end to democracy as we know it ever since the ruling came down.
The apocalyptic – and not to mention apoplectic – nature of their criticism suggests an answer as to why the decision irks them so. Liberals think you are all idiots. American voters are simply too stupid to filter so much information and then reach the right decision. And as they well know, the right decision is unquestionably to adopt the liberal position. They, as the learned among us, know best and so ought to be the only ones allowed to tell you what you should think and why you should think it. That way you don’t get confused by all those other pesky views and opinions. One wonders how we ever survived as a nation before the great heroes John McCain and Russ Feingold came along to save us from ourselves.
At the heart of the liberal philosophy of government is a belief that people are too stupid to fend for themselves, manage their own affairs or vote for the right candidates. Democracy itself will be destroyed because of a few extra ads targeting voters before elections? Voters, it seems, just aren’t sophisticated enough to handle that much information.
Unfortunately for the left, the Constitution recognizes rights that all citizens have, regardless of how intelligent the editorial board of the New York Times thinks a person from Kansas really is. It turns out that “make no law” really means that “Congress shall make no law,” even if that law would advance the liberal agenda.






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God Bless America to all you Progressives.
Corporations can not be a legal person because a legal person can not be owned due to the 13th Amendment. Oooops. Looks like the Supreme Court (corporate whores they are) was just outwitted by TheFonz.
Red herring.
The First Amendment read: "Congress shall make no law … abridging the freedom of speech."
What part of coming together to form a coalition of people, whether it by via coporation or non-profit, invalidates this clearly worded and easily understood restriction on what government can do?
Visit Big Journalism and watch the Cato institute video imbedded in a similar story. Then review President Obama's reaction to yesterdays SC ruling. Obamas reaction makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
The Supreme Courts Citizens United decision is sending liberals into wretching rabid seizures of fear, Fear that the left is losing what minimal control of public discourse their mouthpeice tools in the mainstream media still weild. The deafening squeals of liberals remind one of stuck hogs that soon will be roast rather thanthe left's favorite food political pork.
Now that business can again directly address their concerns to the American electorate the liberal pols likely will see a more than substantial decline in the extortion money they can quietly and stealthily extract from business. Liberals squealing is likely to be louder in the future as their money troughs are less filled with corporate cash seeking to buy them off now that the corporations can carry their message directly to the voters.
Yes, 'Non-Profits' *cough* like, ACORN, are 'legal people' though.
My Father is a sole proprietor. He's incorporated. He's a person. Just like George Soros, except with far less money, and much more morality.
It will warm my heart if McCain and Feingold get their comeuppances come election day. Bush, I guess, already has his; he won't be enshrined at Mt. Rushmore.
I suppose a non-profit corporation would just be to obvious? Non-profit corporations are eligible to receive private and public grants, and are able to apply for tax-exempt status. A non-profit corporation can also solicit tax-deductible donations. Nice try Henry…
You Progressives you keep on thinking we're stupid.That's good because we're going to stupid our way right into the White House.
[...] in an uproar over the recent Supreme Court decision that struck down parts of McCain-Feingold. My post on Big Government tells you why: On paper the Citizens United case has all the makings of a solid [...]
What part of "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction." are you trying to squeeze your zits through?
….At the heart of the liberal philosophy of government is a belief that people are too stupid to fend for themselves, manage their own affairs or vote for the right candidates. Democracy itself will be destroyed because of a few extra ads targeting voters before elections? Voters, it seems, just aren’t sophisticated enough to handle that much information….
Absolutely the core of the problem with the left and really, the political elites. Bring on the Tea Party Movement! We are sick and tired of being treated like we're too stupid to think for ourselves.
I dropped Progressive Insurance years ago due to the political leanings of the ownership. Same thing for AARP, and several other companys or institutions. TV ads or bulk mailings notwithstanding, I, as a thinking considerate individual am able to process different sources of infermation and draw a conclusion. I do not need government regulations to filter those sources to "help" me form my decisions. Part of my decisions will be based on where funding for a cause or candidate originates.
Corporations are natural persons?
When they merge are they married? and if so are they same sex?
When they have more than one merger, are they committing polygamy?
When they put another business out of business, should they be tried for murder?
When a company buys another, should that not be called slavery?
When there is a hostile take over, should that not be called piracy?
We must all remember that Progressive and Liberal (and most of the time Democrat, as well) means socialist—socialist of the fascist type or the communist type. They want to destroy the Constitution and America. Sadly, we can't just kill them off, though I wish we could. Instead, we have to continue fighting them every day, using the tactics good people use, as opposed to the Nazi and Communists tactics they employ.
Mcain has Palin campaigning for him, very disappointing.
The very fact people do this nonsense like becoming incorporated should indicate the system is a farce. It doesn't make sense. SO YOU ARE ADMITTING that a natural person has fewer rights than a "corporate" entity – thus proving the difference. You have shot your side in the foot.
can you say that agin
lol
The coup is now complete, thanks Supreme court!!!
I suspect this includes churches now. Keith is ofcourse a big mouth paid for by GE NBC. Should he work free or shut up?
nice: cut and paste job…
The right should be very upset, they have been demanding their country be taken back, and now thanks to the Supreme court they may have lost it forever!!
The libs have been declaring the "end of Democracy" since 1960, at least.
"The man" has always been part of the paranoia.
You don't choose to change unless there is some benefit.
Count me in- I'm with Stupid!
He is.
Even the thought of killing people for their political beliefs is abhorrent. Such ugly things to say about other Americans.
ANSWER THE QUESTION ASSHAT! How do you "shoot your side in the foot"?
especially since jd hayworth is now going to run against mccain
Keith Olberman should be the Official Poster Boy, for Stupid.
Have you ever noticed how progressives like to send their minions out to work in the educational system…the dumbing down of America. They want us to be surrounded by their way of thinking. Now that we get the opportunity to hear the political opinions of successful businesses, they are afraid.
I don't think its such a bad idea to hear the political opinions of Ford Motor Company. We constantly hear the political opinions of special interest groups who rely on government subsistence for their survival. Now, maybe we can hear from successful companies. Perhaps they will even tell us what they need the Government to do to make 'Made In the USA' financially viable again.
If you want to get from point A to point B, then taking the bus provides you a benefit. Does that mean bus riders have more rights than everyone else?
Your logic is terrible.
Easy with the hate speech.
Geez, you have little brainpower. I proved there was a benefit to being incorporated, otherwise why do it? That benefit is increased rights and lowered accountability (they usually just list the LATTER and they usually call it lowering risk, but it is the same thing.)
If you think about this it is actually funny. Doesn't GE already own MSNBC now? So in reality GE can own a media company that is radical and can promote their own ideas that benefit themselves like going green and all that technology. GE is the one who will get rich by promoting green Tech. But if another Corporation puts money into advertising it's somehow wrong?? I think the Liberal media, which is owned many times by radicals, are just trying to own it all for themselves. That's how we ended up with the Socialist Clown for President. HaHAHa…
It is disgusting isn't it? I can't believe she is doing that after McCain and his people pretty much threw her under the bust after the election.
Thank you! Inquisitive people have to know…indeed, how do you shoot your side in the foot? It makes me giggle just to type it… All footing aside- The Fonz just isn't as cool as he used to be.
Benefits and rights are not the same thing. Or course there is a benefit to being incorporated if your goal is to do something which a corporation helps doing, especially when the law requires it. That has nothing to do with rights. The word rights has a specific meaning, which you clearly do not understand.
umm.. Fonz….. cooperations are made up of PEOPLE who are acting for some defined common goal, (economic, political, or religious, or charitable, and i believe Americans do have the right to peaceably assemble in any numbhayer of cooperate entity's to pursue our goals… furthermore peaceful Assembly's of people (including lawfully cooperations) have the right to regress the government for grievances (that is act in the full spectrum of political speech, including issues advocacy ads. (PS, i am a cooperation, as i hold the license to a sole proprietorship) and as a kite builder, and seller, i stand on my Right to run ads at any time against any anti-kite policy, or politician
Fonz, do you know what brought this issue before the Cort? essentially it was the FEC declaring advertisement for a documentary on Hillary Clinton illegal, and censoring the add campaign. the government attorney argued in front of the court that they had the authority to BAN ANY MEDIA that mentioned any candidate for office at least once 60 days before an election, (thats print, Internet, TV, or any new technology that comes out) this one was a no brainier, what worries me is that 4 justices thought the government could censer political speech on the basis of the persons status as a member of a corporation.
on the dangers of corperate mony in politics?…. and acorns mony is Good ?
If she really does she will loose her fans quicker than obama.
The entire argument regarding whether a corporation has all the rights of a person is misguided and besides the point. I blame it on the utter lack of Constitutional education given to public school students in our country.
The Constitution is not primarily a delineator or guarantor of specific rights of citizens. It is, rather a document that establishes comprehensive limitations on the power of government. The focus of the document is never on "what rights do people have," the focus is, instead on "what are the defined and limited powers of government."
Note the first amendment. By its clear wording "Congress shall make no law….." the document makes moot the point of who shall benefit from this limitation, because the limitation is on Congress, not the people. It doesn't matter who or what is engaging in the free speech, the salient part, emphasized by the wording, is that Congress shall make no law that abridges that freedom. We don't have to spend a lot of time agonizing over the entity that is conducting the speech — we can stop once we acknowledge that Congress isn't allowed to abridge it.
Furthermore, because "religion" and "the press" and "the people peacably to assemble" are generally group activities, it is implicit in the amendment that Congresses limitations extend to group activities as well as individual activities.
Much, much harm has been done to our Constitution by people who say things like "There's no right to privacy in the Constitution," or "The Constitution doesn't give people the right to _____" — as the ninth amendment makes explicit and as is implied in the language of the entire document "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."
In other words, the operating principle of the Constitution is that people have ALL rights except in those limited areas where the government is specifically empowered by the Constitution to act.
The first question you should ask when you see a new law made is not "does this violate a right guaranteed in the Constitution" but "Does the Constitution anywhere empower the government to act in this matter."
Over and over again, you will find the answer is "No."
The left and Progressives have been taunting BIG oil,Pharma, and Insurance, like a little boy taunts a Dog on a leash, Oops, the SCOTUS just unleashed the Dog! Watch'em run!
The blatant hypocrasy of the libs on the SCOTUS decision is truly amazing. What, if not a corporation are the television networks? Do they abstain from politically charged speech? And what of the UNIONS who direct the forced dues of their slaves to political parties their rank and file disagree with (MASS.)
Like others on this thread I have relished in the angst of the libs since Tuesday. Their whole paradigm is crumbling, from GITMO, to Health Care, to Terror Trails, to Global Warming,,,,, This has been one of the most enjoyable weeks I have experienced in say 9 years. Squeal baby squeal, our vindication is at hand!!!!
hint: jist turn that t-shirt inside out an it will be good fur another coupel days
WHAT A LOAD. YOU TRYING OUT FOR JAY LENOS' SPOT.
hahahahaha
If your goal, like the dhimmicrats and Obambi, is to destroy the Constitution, thenm you don't deserve to live. I, and countless others swore an oath to defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. The domestic enemies are the left- they just don't have the huevos to admit the truth.
what they need the Government to do to make 'Made In the USA' financially viable again.
Two things:
1. Get the he!! out of the way.
2. Bust the UNIONS
It really is that simple!
I'm all for lifting the restrictions on political ads – that was a Freedom of Speech issue. But only in a "Living Buh-reaaathing Constitution" can political contributions be considered "speech". Giving money to a candidate is not speech, it's "commerce", and Article I, Section 8, Clause of the United States Constitution gives Congress the power to regulate commerce. Anything that drives liberals nuts typically gets thumbs up from me, but as a strict constructionist I can't in all honesty agree with the court's decision.
I whole heartidly agree! AARP sucks and that little Gecco from Geico (Government Employee Insurance Co.). Maybe the government health care insurance mascot could be a "polar Bear". They will need work too with all the global warming stuff going on.
Very Nice Cloudbuster you completely reshaped my perspective on the constitution.
Feingold comeuppance: WI needs a STRONG candidate; he has never been more vulnerable! He CAN be defeated if an articulate candidate takes him on.
I can't believe he gets paid for this, and yes, he should shut up, he makes the rest of the libs look compassionate and smart.
Obama, his administration, and other liberals thought they had the supreme court in their pocket. Now, as it turns out, the SC wants to champion the people and the constitution thus thwarting the thinly veiled communist agenda of the current regime. Taxpayers of America, lets go for a clean sweep in November. Please don't be fooled by any of the politicians that support this government takeover of health care who suddenly have a change of heart. It's nothing more than self preservation. Vote with your mind and heart. Don't let them ruin our great nation.
The libs are absolutely right, our democracy has died, but it happened 12 months ago!!!
So Fonz what do say about the democratic party which lets every left wing organization anything they want only go after anyone that is against their ideas. Acorn should be investigated by the FBI. Also all of obamas czars that had tax problems should also play by the rules as I have to. Then why was the charges dropped against the black panthers voter intimidation case. What about obama signing a presidential order to let unions do not have to report their financials like they are suppose to do by law. I can go on all night with all the democratic illegal activity that is answered by “WE OR I JUST MADE A MISTAKE”. No personally responsibility on the left.
bravo! best explanation i have heard since i was in high school, if you dont teach american government then maybe you should because our children are not receiving this type of clear concise teachings on the constitution.
Her treatment isn't even the pertinent reason. MuckCain is a Rino, his wife and daughter just came out publicly
in support of pro-choice and he's ineffective. His campaign bill was just found unconstitutional and he's soft on illegal immigration. What does Sarah really stand for and how do her convictions affect her actions? I have always admired her but don't feel she would make a great president, but felt she could be a strong force for conservative action. My respect in this regard just dropped significantly.
Wouldn't it be nice if our Corporations could make a documentary that described how regulation and Unions were forcing them to send jobs and manufacturing overseas? Wouldn't it be nice if in that documentary they were able to tell who the Unions are paying to get their way? And perhaps a corporate documentary could even shed some light on the Union's history of corruption.
Boy, i sure would like to make a documentary like that…do you think Hollywood will help me? No…they like unions. What about a Government grant? LOL…just kidding- I know, that's like asking the Government to pay for bad publicity.
Now, how is a little person like me supposed to get such a documentary made? Wow, thank you Supreme Court…Maybe I'll see if the former CEO's of the Steel Industry will help me make a documentary describing their ruin and how the Unions played into it, with aid from the Democrats- of course!
Add the CORPORATE broadcasters to the list. Why should they have unfettered political speech while other CORPORATIONS do not? Last time I checked the New York Times was a CORPORATION too, maybe not for much longer though seeing as how another CORPORATION "Air Amerika" bit the big one.
I am sure the "progressives" would like you to forget that their brethren killed tens of millions of people in the 20th century.
Excellent synopsis, cloudbuster
………………….. Hanzo
And that my friends, is why Corporations need a voice.
Hi elfonzo, schooled again? Must suck to be the fonz …………. Hanzo
When they make money, do we tax them?
" Wouldn't it be nice if our ~ (MSMedia) ~ could make a documentary that described how regulation and Unions were forcing them to send jobs and manufacturing overseas? Wouldn't it be nice if in that documentary they were able to tell who the Unions are paying to get their way? And perhaps a corporate documentary could even shed some light on the Union's history of corruption."
MSMedia – hahahahahahahaha
I hate to see that. If she chooses to do that, she needs to lose all credibility she has and she should be shunned by all Conservatives ………………Hanzo
screw being nice to these people.they support a person that has learned how to control populations be intimidation, coercion and outright murder to maintain their power. only a 100,000,000 last century.
best to leave their rotting corpse to history than to give them any forum .
Absolutely! But for now its;
BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA mmmmm…….mmmmm……mmmmm
So, if I take corporation money and buy ads for a candidate, instead of giving it to a candidate. That would be free speech, correct? And that is what this case is really about, not so much unlimited contributions but, corporations being able to buy free speech ads.
You're always telling us what NOT to do. What do you suggest?
Perhaps not quite that simple, I've got a long laundry list of wrongs that need to be addressed, starting with the elimination of some(most) of the Amendments added to the Constitution post 1900 ……………….. Hanzo
when you rest on the laurels of the past remember that if you do not watch out you will be bitten in the arse.
If you look up stupid in the dictionary, there's a picture of Keith?
Thhis is a CATO video that explains the case:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeGlzEavpTM
The coup is now complete? Care to expound on that inane, obtuse statement? How about backing up your position with FACTS and not egregious hyperbole? ………………. Hanzo
What is there to say about it? What does it even have to do with this topic? Ask a neocon, they are closer to being Democrats than I am.
You mean our republic has died don't you?
I can kinda see the point about being to stupid, after all look who won the last presidential election, but what do i know im just a stupid bodyman.
Not dead, just laid up with a bad fever. We will nurse her back to health but it may be a prolonged illness.
Once again, perhaps in terms you can come to grips with~ Where's the beef??? ……………………. Hanzo
MSMedia-hahahahahahah
That's a good one…can't believe I left them out. They don't do investigative reporting anymore. Of course, they say its because it is simply too expensive and CNN spent their investigative budget on fact checking Saturday Night Live on top of that Foxnews is taking their audience. There should be a Government agency dedicated to making sure that audiences are distributed fairly… Better yet, there aught to be a law requiring Fox to do one sided news programs for those who have a progressive viewpoint. Wait a minute… what, oh good…they are working on that!
Anyway, Wouldn't it be nice….
Free speech?How is government mandated health care [taking away my right to choose], "free speech"? Where is the Supreme Court on that one, Fonz? God help us if another Regressive Libtard jurist gets appointed to SCOTUS.
I tink the fear is that the progressives know that they control the media sources that the casual voter will tape into when making political decisions. If everyone else is supressed, and only the MSM, including their websites, are available to the casual voter, they can always win. The almost apathetic voter, who will only vote for big deal elections when it doesn't interfere with his day, may check the local TV site before he votes and nothing else.
Obama and his Nazi regime killed democracy last January 20th. They've destroyed the American economy and will eventually jail anyone who speaks out against their plans to seize control of all aspects of our lives. Goddamn Obama.
Fonz, is there a competition to see who can get the most 'thumbs down'? I can't imagine any other reason for someone spouting off such nonsense.
Can you then, in all honesty, agree with the elimination of all political campaign donations? So where do you get your definition of campaign DONATIONS equals commerce? You say, on one hand, you're "all for lifting the restrictions on political ads", but yet, incredibly, you want to enforce your own brand of prohibition on a certain segment of society because of some strange definition(doublespeak) of words that you make up out of thin air. How absurd. Constructionist indeed. You need to read the above post by Cloudburst, in which he states(and rightfully so), the Constitution is mainly concerned with pointing out limitations placed upon the Government in regards to what power they wield.Actually read the Constitution, start off with the Bill of Rights and go from there. Check back after you read all of the Amendments to the Constitution……………… Hanzo
Americans?
I sent him the memo but he kept saying: "What's THAT word?"
Watch the video.
http://redhotright.blogspot.com/2010/01/beck-revo...
and
'Got that right, Laura. Where does anyone thing much of this TARP and bailout money going? I haven't received a nickel of it.
GE is a corporation it should be banned from owning TV channels that mention anything political, right??
lol
I find it rather amusing that the lib/progressives continually state "It's the end of Democracy", ha ha. We never have been, and hopefully never will be, a Democracy. Our form of Government was always meant to be a Federal Republic, with all the Checks and Balances, such as the Supreme Court, afforded by this form of governance. On the one hand, lib/progressives scream "democracy, democracy", while continually looking down their sanctimonious noses at the general populace. If they were truly concerned with democracy, why do they strive to take Rights away from our citizenry at every opportunity they get?Our Founding Fathers, in their wisdom, knew that often times democracy can degenerate into mob rule, the general populace being, at times, prone to fits of volatility. This is but one reason we so need the system of checks and balances, which, unfortunately, have been eroded as the Federal Government(especially when under the sway of power hungry progressives) usurps power on a daily basis……………………. Hanzo
Before meeting you, I had no idea there was such a thing as an "unnatural person". I guess we CAN learn something new every day. Maybe you should try that for a while and see if it helps.
Aaaaaay!
I didn't know that he was up for promotion.
Hahahahhaha.. Good one, Randy… Got quite the laugh.. My thanks…
What is commerce? Glad you asked. Commerce is the buying and/or selling of commodities. What is a commodity? A tangible asset. Ok, so when I contribute to a political campaign, what, exactly, am I receiving in return in the form of a tangible asset???Therefore, Congress is LIMITED in their ability to regulate political campaign donations, correct? I don't know about you, but it's very clear to me, the McCain-Feingold "law", in it's premise and entirety, is UNCONSTITUTIONAL. Being a "Constructionist"(perhaps you meant a "Constitutionalsit"), I don't see how you can argue the point, and thank God the SCOTUS has, indeed, made it a moot point………………………… Hanzo
That picture of Olberman is hilarious! It looks like he just sat on satan's codpiece!
Yes of course American Corperations are bad, Left Wing Socialist, International Criminal, Billionaires like George Soros are good.
This decision was big, God it's been a good week.
I don't think we need this ruling to get to surfdom….that seems to be happening, no matter what the supreme court has to say about constitutional rights.Think about it;before the renaissanse there were no major stable banks….
It's like Christmas (can I still say Christmas?) all over again, isn't it? I'm finally starting to relax a little. I'm still on alert, but without that sense of impending doom. We finally seem to be holding the line for a change. It's refreshing.
That IS disturbing, if it is true.
Nobody is perfect, but backing McCain would amount to an epic mistake on her part. He's just wrong on too many important issues to keep his seat, IMHO. If she does this, she can kiss a popular vote goodbye.
It's not about articulation…it's about principles and values and the Constitution. You need to remember that before you back anyone's candidacy.
Good points. I just remembered something. I was watching Special Report with Brett Bair on Fox News last week and Charles Krauthammer referred to John Kerry as John McKerry. LOL! That says much about McCain, doesn't it?
Follow the money. It never lies. I, too, vote with my wallet. I haven't bought anything from Levi Strauss in over 25 years. I refuse to do business with GE. The list is too long to post here, but you get the idea.
You're asking an awful lot from a semi functional libtard, aren't you?
It is true. When Palin was making the rounds on Fox News after becoming a Fox News Contributor, she was taking up for McCain and trying to build him up.
Hey Brian, is your avatar a reference to the saying that if you have too open a mind your brain will fall out?
Agreed …………….Hanzo
That's a possible interpretation, yes. In fact, I quite like that one.
I'm glad there are some people that still get it.
Ha ha, I suppose I am, no reply as yet!
I was hoping the moron would reply so I could have a little fun ……………………… Hanzo
Is the art from the original Calvin and Hobbes?
Like the original Fonz, he's jumping the shark.
Yep, that's Calvin. Even without his brain he can still out think the liberals.
There are a few good points about the decision. One is that it will be harder for a campaign to "control" information, as the Obama campaign did, because there will be questions posed that people will actually have to answer – it causes people, rightfully, to be better involved and informed in the effort to settle their minds (which is another good point about the decision). And perhaps, the era of ultra-slick campaigns is over, which is a good thing. The decision creates a demand for correct information, so gimmicks and rhetorical overloading will become a waste of time (a good thing).
Barack likes the former ways, because he campaigns from the pulpit of rhetorical inspiration, not reasoned information.
Which brings to mind another issue sure to be a high priorty of progressives/dems shortly – the electoral college.
This was a checks and balances measure to help ensure that the less populous states (flyover country) were not overwhelmed by the others. It's easy to make the argument for it's repeal and difficilt to articulate it's wisdom. But it's loss would alter the political scape and increase progressive clout.
I bet all he has under that trenchcoat is that shirt and a diaper!!
It tickles my little heart to see the libs so upset!
I'm lucky I have USAA insurance. They are great and I don't have to worry about any of those companies. They are definitely easier to work with than my husband's old insurance.
Great job. The surprising thing is that so few of our "intellectually overpowered" brethren take the time to actually read, and understand, the essential purpose of the Constitution. Of course, on the other hand, we have clips of Obama stating that he considered our Constitution deficient because it doesn't enumerate "rights" for the people.
So, if we've shot ourselves in the foot, why are you upset about it?
TheFonz….a constitutional scholar…who'd a thunk it? Liberals :pretentious, pseudo-intelectuals
Bob, cmon…we already have a couple of pseudo- constitutional scholars on here, don't add to the pretentiosness…just sayin'
Oh Randyl2. We must never lose the electoral college. It is vital. If we lose it, politicians running for president will know they only have to win in about 15 or 20 high population centers. Talk about certain people's votes becoming irrelevant. Eliminating the electoral college would do it.
What? "perhaps, the era of ultra-slick campaigns is over" . You have got to be kidding. THis decision means that WAY more corporate money can be spent on campaign advertising. THe era of ultra-slick campaigns is just starting. And I'm sure some foreign owned corporations will run some VERY slick campaigns .
Corporate campaigns will make people better informed in the same way that corporate advertising makes people more informed about the products they buy, right?
I hate to say it, but anyone who doesn't recognize that people can't make independent decisions simply knows nothing about psychology. If people could make logical, independent decisions, there would be no reason to make advertisements (i mean normal advertisements here, not political ones) that persuade you to buy beer by showing sexy women, or medicine by scaring you about diseases you don't have. As we interpret the Constitution, we have to remember that they simply had no idea of what modern life would be like–in this case, the ability to create and transmit messages that are available in real time to everyone everywhere. Finally, don't forget that the Founding Fathers didn't even trust the citizenry to vote directly in Presidential or Senatorial elections. So even if you argue that circumstances now should allow equal protection to corporations and interest groups, you certainly can't argue that the Founding Fathers had any intention for this type of election process.
ny times, boston herald, washington post all corporations. fonzie. ….. sit on it!
No liberal thought that, since we all knew the Supreme court is currently a 4-4-1 split, with Kennedy being the primary swing voter. Why would we think that Roberts, Alito, etc. were on "our" side? Be liberal, be conservative, but don't be ridiculous.
cloudbuster sounds like levin
Do not believe that everybody on the left thinks this a bad judicial decision, even if it may turn out to be bad for the country. Glenn Greewald, Jonathan Turley and many others think the court really didn't have much choice in deciding this case.
The application of the first amendment often results in some really ugly and objectionable things taking place, but we tolerate them because the underlying principle is so important.
The concept that the American public isn't smart enough to think its way out of a complex situation is hardly new, and hardly limited to one side of the political spectrum. H. L. Mencken ended his life as a conservative who believed that most people shouldn't have the right to vote. Westbrook Pegler ended his as a reactionary who held the great unwashed in even greater contempt.
I think if we had to generalize, we'd say the left fears that the average citizen isn't smart enough to vote in his own self interest, and the right depends upon it.
The Socialists want the media all to themselves. GE supports Obama, and Obama is pushing green technology for GE. He just forgets to tell everyone that MSNBC is owned by GE and they just happen to be in the tank for Obama. Nice little arraignment for the Liberals. Obama is the one guilty of destroying our American freedoms, as he sees nothing wrong with GE owning MSNBC, just as long as it glorifies him. It only works for Obama this way.
"Both the ACLU and AFL-CIO support the decision"
I did not know this until I just read it here. More evidence of the progressives agreeing to form up into a circular firing squad as the wheels come off. The vehicle is the progressive project. The wheels are the Obama cabal. If America can possibly get to the point of seeing all four wheels in the ditch, Liberty will be the winner. I hold my breath, stay optimistic, but keep my eye on the ball.
http://libertyatstake.blogspot.com/
He suggests since we are all loyal to Israel and not the U.S.(since we don't hate Jewish people, as he does) that we renounce our citizenship and move there…………………..Hanzo
Even a broken clock is right twice a day…………….. Hanzo
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(Breitbart continues to Rock)
Very proud of America. It was a good week.
Goal line stand against Healthcare and then the SCOTUS ruling same week — like picking up a fumble on fourth and goal and and returning it back for a touchdown against the offense.
Thanks you everybody. After this week I don't figure they'll be calling us Nazis again.
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I've quoted your post on three other websites!!! AWESOME!!! Maybe He'll hire you to write here!
I also use USAA. Been with them for years. I have watched that company grow into an excellent company. Their customer service is A+++++++++ You have one on one personal attention. Love em
Robert……just agree dishonestly…that's OK. So how is it different that SEIU is able to do what they do…..is it because they are a (for-profit) non-profit?
I believe it's kinda' like bo asking Bush to help slick Wil raise money for Hati. How do you
weasel out of this kind of situation? If you say ," no you have shown disrespect for me in the
recent past, therefor I do not wish to assist you", they'll go public with your rejection. You
come off looking like a sore-a$s. It's a no-win situation. The attacks on Palin were by McCain
staffers, however as former associates, he should have been able to appeal to them to re-
main silent. Why would they not be required to sign a confidentiality agreement? I felt like
Steve Schmidt had Mc's blessing. He's been out giving interviews recently……………Sickening!
I was always under the impression we had a republic; a nation of laws not men. It respects the rights of man as an individual, not as a class or group. The progressives and other assorted miscreants would like it if they were to convince people otherwise, then a simple majority could rule. Not what the founders had in mind.
Does everyone realize that under this ruling, any corporation that is owned by a foreign government or by foreign individuals will also be free to purchase senators and representatives?
Wouldn't it be nice if the "green mvmt" hadn't pressured GM & Chrysler into
building cars we didn't want, ultimately leading to their failure, thus their Gov
take over? Why didn't the auto Co's fight back? Unions. Why didn't we let the
auto Co's declare bankruptcy? Unions. Why is the bo Adm pushing health-
care legislation? Unions. 1st item on agenda of next Congress, restrict their
power. CRUSH THEM!!!!!!!!
According to the Supreme Court money equals speech!
"Corporate personhood" gives corporations — entirely artificial entities created by the state — the same individual rights that the framers fought and died to secure for flesh-and-blood citizens (or at least for white male property holders, but you get the idea). The doctrine started in England reasonably enough; it was only by considering corporations "persons" that they could be taken to court and sued. But during the 19th century, the Robber Barons and a few corrupt jurists deep in their pockets took the concept to a whole new level. After the Civil War, while many of those same interests were fighting to keep African-Americans from being enfranchised, the doctrine took on new weight — the Equal Protection clause of the 14th Amendment was extended to corporations, and Thomas Jefferson slowly rolled over in his grave. The trend of granting more and more rights to corporations has continued up to the decision handed down this week.
Besides usurpations, there is a larger class of abuses which include corruption and violations of constitutional statutes. It becomes a matter of special concern to citizens when officials conspire with one another to not enforce the law against such corruption, and use the resources of government and the powers of their offices to cover up such crimes or otherwise protect the perpetrators, whether such crimes are committed by officials themselves or by powerful persons who are allowed to become a privileged class that is above the law. When officials fail to enforce the law, citizens must step in and take action to see that the laws are enforced, and replace those officials with others who will do their constitutional duty.
Now don't hold back Rip, tell us how you really feel!
I never said we should ban all campaign donations. I merely said campaign donations aren't "speech". I'll entertain your assertion that such contributions aren't "commerce", in which case Congress wouldn't have the power to regulate them. But they aren't "speech", either.
I agree, with exception. Most of the major corp are no longer American, but multi-natl.
Thomas Jefferson once suggested that we ought to have a revolution every 20 years, and that the Tree of Liberty needed to be occasionally watered with the blood of patriots. One has to wonder whether the blood of patriots will again have to be shed to get people to take the Constitution seriously again.
I suppose you think it is OK that foreign Corporations can now help decide who is elected into political office, Communist China, or Saudi Arabia or a host of others, as long as they are a Corporation, they can now contribute to the political process, ya now I see why you guys love it sooooo much!!!!
Hanzo are you having fun yet!!!
Between your ears??
The liberals are just upset that yet another obvious advantage has been taken away. What will be next? Perhaps one or more of the MSM outlets will cross over? Wouldn't that be glorious?
Been sayin' for years the voting age should be raised to 35, & I ain't no stinkin liberal. If it had been
35, we wouldn't have bo in office, for this the most frightening year of our lives.
Looks like TheFonz is one of those high-brow, intellectual leftists. Please enlighten us, TheFonz, about how Obama isn't a corporate whore.
I'm no Constitutional scholar, but I don't need to be. The Constitution isn't in secret code. It's in plain English. When people assume that it's some ancient tome in an alien language that only someone with a size 12 hat can decipher, we wind up with nonsense like the 4th Amendment Right to an Abortion.
Thanks so much for this article, I've been trying to figure out all the angles. Originally I was thinking a ruling like this would be considered as a "backfire" to the conservative group where it began, in that now the unions could have even more power to outspend to get a candidate elected, knowing Andy Stearn of SEIU is a the most frequent guest at the White House. Then surprisingly to me, all the liberals and Obama came out blasting it. I was like, what is going on?
I guess corporations can outspend, and they generally swing toward the republican candidate, so that drew out the liberal criticism.
Then I got to thinking about that any message with the tag line "Sponsored by SEIU" would have the effectiveness of a last-minute Obama visit. The article is right, more people have became interested in politics for the first time recently and have educated themselves, especially in the last year. A SEIU or AFL-CIO backed ad is poison. Even with any new name an Acorn affiliate can come out with will be on the "not suitable for consumption" list.
I was also thinking that this would be a good time to get consistent monthly financial backing of all who are for limited government and personal liberty. Set this up at the Tea Party Convention in February. As much as I'm against unions (served their purpose at one time) this would be a powerful "Union of the People for Limited Government and Personal Liberty" to take specific advantage of this ruling.
On another note, many corporate leaders are realizing that they will gain the support of the general public (and customers) faster by openly taking a stance on limited government and preservation of personal liberty. The tide has changed since Dr. Ron Paul views came into widespread recognition by his candidacy for president. People started out not knowing what to think about it all and some fell into a snickering trap when all of the media ridiculed him and censored him , even Fox. Remember that? Then Fox realized where the profit was and turned the ship around. These are different times. People are much smarter now.
Why can't they just "reform" politics with a cap on the total amount that can be spent during the campaign, and limit the length of time a candidate can officially campaign? Each candidate can spend up to XXXXXXXXXX amount of dollars starting Jan. 1 of the election year. Seems to me that would go a long way to solve the problem and you know how the Donks love a "level playing field" … heheh
No, I was thinking more like up your @ss, next to your head, along with the rest of the sh!t you spew forth in your idiotic, uninformed posts
……………………. Hanzo
Yes, it's always fun to watch a troll try to form a cognitive thought without appearing absolutely asinine, you never fail to let us down………………… Hanzo
"Democracy itself will be destroyed because of a few extra ads targeting voters before elections?"
Democracy won't be affected at all by this decision. Democracy is a form of perfection that we've been pursuing all along. This Supreme Court Decision simply made Democracy something that America is cashing in (literally) at the corner pawn shop in exchange for something we'll get to know better as Plutocracy.
"Voters, it seems, just aren’t sophisticated enough to handle that much information." I wonder if voters can wrap their minds around the difference between an American Citizen and a Delaware Corporation when it comes to the 1st Amendment. Does that make me a paternalistic liberal? Maybe so.
"Unfortunately for the left, the Constitution recognizes rights that all citizens have, regardless of how intelligent the editorial board of the New York Times thinks a person from Kansas really is."
At least I know that a person from Kansas should be guaranteed 1st Amendment Rights and a corporation is something that wasn't mentioned anywhere in the entire Bill of Rights.
"I'm no Constitutional scholar, but I don't need to be"
That will be news to all those real Constitutional scholars who spent tens of thousands and years of their lives to become one.
When you argue a case in front of the SCOTUS, then we'll be all ears.
Obama is touting his proposed bank tax and financial regulations as a test of "whose side" politicians are on — the bankers' or the people's. But check the numbers at OpenSecrets.org, and you get an interesting clue as to whose side Wall Street on.
The "securities and investment" industry has favored Democrats by more than a two-to-one margin so far this cycle. The top eight recipients of Wall Street PAC money this election are all Democrats.
—Washington Examiner
English please…!
Been reading Eustace Mullins again?………………………… Hanzo
When did Shiori admit that a natural person has fewer rights than a "corporate" entity? Was it the "far less money" statement? Since when does money equal rights? By the way, how do you shoot your side in the foot?
I guess I didn't give enough examples, so they've shown up to add their hyperbolic the-end-is-nigh to the comments here as well.
Go ahead my friend tell me, why you think it is OK for a foreign Corporation to contribute to the political process? I am retiring for the night, catch ya on the flip!
Your in and happy to have you.
Heh….heh….heh…. Them smart prugressives lbrals think we is two stupid to manage our politicle affiars, huh ? Well it seems we stupid azzes just stoled that ol Kennedy seat right out from unner neath them boys. Guess we ain't tha stewpids affer all. Guees if ahm gonna be here on this puter I outta change outa my beer stained T shirt, quit fartin and et sum jerky.
Hi Y'all !
it is the acknowledged power of the individual that supersedes their status in society. should you like to say that a corporation cannot support a candidate then the same can be said for a union organization that can throw a considerable amount of money and influence to a particular candidate even though the rank and file do not support those that are chosen for them even though their money is used to support people that they would not support..
AMEN!!!
ROFLMAO!!!
I can agree with to a point, Robert. You merely have to understand English to grasp the most apparent principles of the Constitution. There's not much guesswork as to the Framers Original Intent. When people(mostly lawyers) attempt to alter the true meanings of words(it depends on what your definition of is is, remember?), we start the descent down the slippery slope……………………. Hanzo
But that's basically the crux of the SCOTUS decision here, as stated succinctly by Dan, above. This case was about corporations buying airtime and placing ads for candidates in the media…………… Hanzo
Ok, to the point for you, short and sweet. You seem to be missing the premise of the SCOTUS decision. This isn't about corporations donating directly to a politician. This case is about corporations freedom to buy airtime in the media in order to state a position on an issue or to campaign, through said media, for a politician. Do I like to see a foreign corporation meddle in our political process? Of course not, don't be absurd. This really boils down to the electorate educating theirselves in order to form a sentient opinion on the issues according to their own principles and values. You can't legislate against one form of free speech(that isn't beyond community standards) while supporting others………… Hanzo
The public overwhelmingly agrees that campaign donations (money) equals free speech. According to this Gallop Poll. (http://www.gallup.com/poll/125333/Public-Agrees-C... Have you ever considered the possibility that you might be wrong?
Lobbyists have been doing that for decades. Thanks to the 17th Amendment and the limiting of the number in the HOR to 435.
Why should corporations like the NYT and GE have the 1st Amendment right of free speech and other corporations not have it?
Fonz, you seem to be suffering incorperacniaphopia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporation go to this wikapedia page, then you will (maybe) know what your talking about (and be less likely to lash out in anger, because of some past "big bad company" related trauma) . people like me incorporate in order to obtain things like business license's, and resellers permits. any cooperation is either an individual (sole proprietorship) or a group of individuals (cooperation) the cooperation is not a natural person, but the People who are always in the cooperation are. an individual has the right to free speech, an "Assembly" of individuals corporately (that is under the terms of the co. charter) have the same right.
"Liberals think you are all idiots. American voters are simply too stupid to filter so much information and then reach the right decision."
Well that is fine. After we club the American Progressive Movement into the fetal position they will still think we are idiots. But at least they'll be out of power and sent back under the rock.
Your statement proves your ignorance. Your "logic" proves your idiocy.
Corporations exist to protect personal assets from seizure by debt-holders if and when a business fails. This allows people to take business risks without putting everything they own on the line should things go horribly wrong.
Incorporating actually opens you up to double-taxation and other headaches, depending on your corporate structure. But you're obviously not interested in actually learning about business, you're too busy reflexively hating and fearing that which you don't understand like some primitive sacrificing goats to fend off the evil spirits.
Grow up.
Neocons are closer to being a democrat then any nazi, fonz, not just you………….. Hanzo
Actually it's very obvious and simple why the left is upset about this. They were completely unaffected by McCain-Feingold, because they have the press promoting their side a "news". All they ever needed to do was make a press release and the SunTimes syndicates, national TV news and movie stars would pass it right along as God's truth. Those same outlets would never report a press release from conservatives. Now we can, as we could before and always must be able to do, get the conservative message out, however it is funded. By the way it is a continuing travesty that the movies about the Clintons never got out (Hillary and the 9-11 background story).
"Congress shall make no law(period)…………………."
'Bloated Obesity of Congressional Power' is a hazard to the health of our Nation. Intervention by the Court is the only way to stop the addiction of Congress to consume The Constitution and kill our Republic.
Health Care is the absence of legislation.
this is the quintessential comment regareding this matter We are sunk
thanks reBushies for destroying democracy.
you got it: Buckley v. Valeo
"At the heart of the liberal philosophy of government is a belief that people are too stupid to fend for themselves,"
and thanks to unaccountable govt schools, teachers' unions, etc., it's something they've been working overtime to guarantee. a self-perpetuating dependence machine.
RobertB: Buckley v. Valeo, 1976.
SCOTUS ruled that spending money to influence elections is a form of constitutionally protected free speech.
Thats interesting I've never done the math but I know people that have who agree with you. I'd like to see the electoral college done a little diferently. I'd like to see it done by district instead of state. For example if a state has three districts and the canidate wins 2 of them and canidate B wins one. Then canidate a would get 2 electoral votes and canidate b would get 1 electoral vote.
Check all the toadies trying to prop up JOTUS Obama (Joke Of The US). Yeah… sock it to those greedy businesses. Yeah… tax big oil and banks so you can gimme free stuff.
Just who do they think owns these corporations? Who actually pays taxes levied on businesses? Who will pay when additional taxes are forced on banks, oil companies?
Who pays? EVERYDAY AMERICANS!!! Raise taxes on a business and they simply charge more for their goods and services, tax big oil, they charge more for gas, tax the banks and we pay higher interest.
Also… the investors receive fewer dividends. Yeah… sock it to those greedy investors. Well, guess what, those greedy investors are EVERYDAY AMERICANS, mutual funds, retirement funds and etc. which in turn are owned by EVERYDAY AMERICANS!!!
MOOO… IT'S MILKING TIME AND YOU LIBERAL DEMOCRAT VOTERS ARE THE STUPIDEST COWS EVER!
It's Milking Time
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Corruption in Congress
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Hey, Fonz–just try reading the Constitution. It may clear things up for you.
That's a good question, and it seems murkier to me but, I recall that there is a concept know as "Freedom of the Press".
I don't remember a similarly vaunted concept for "Freecom of the Corporation"
lol… Wanna marry me ? (I'll even change the shirt) ! Thanks for the response, Sally.
This case is the poster child for judicial activism. Read Justice Stevens' dissent. I
"Legal Person" is a technical term. A corporation is nothing more than a group of individuals who are allowed to legally act as if they were a single person for the purpose of entering into contracts, buying property and defending and/or initiating lawsuits. The left loves to talk about stripping corporations of their rights which is something not even China has done. Kinda makes you wonder about their motives….
Claiming legal persons have no rights is absurd. It would be like claiming individuals have freedom of religion but organized churches do not.
Hiatttn, I'm pretty sure the rules allow for the division of electoral votes within each state but it might be up to each state to set its own rules. I know that if states did divide electoral votes in a ratio equivalent to the actual vote split, it would change everything. Conservative voters in blue states would matter like they haven't in decades.
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People know more about Joe Camel than the "right candidates" that the two parties give us to chose from, both of which are always beholdened to monied special interests — interests that just got more powerful!
Very few people get this distinction. You know what? Obama gets it, and he hates it. He said as much, lots of us know the quote so I'll spare you.
I earlier tried to post a correction to this comment but was told it would be reviewed by staff before posted, apparently due to a link I provided. Since it has not, I wish to state that I inadvertently typed "pro-choice" when I meant "pro gay marriage". I apologize for the error.
And you think that's just great?
Any hot single female Corporations out there?
A picture is worth a thousand words…
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c6...
Their ruling has made it legal for foreign controlled corporations to flush unlimited money into the already bloated political system to further corrupt something none of us trust and most of us fear. The “corporation/person” that the 5 judges, the “neocon” purists, have turned the United States over to isn’t even American. The corporations, especially since the economic meltdown are owned by China, Russia and the oil sheiks along with a few foreign banks. They don’t vote, pay taxes, fight in wars, need dental care, breathe air, drive cars or send children to school. Anyone who thinks these things are people is insane. Anyone who would sell the government to them is a criminal and belongs in prison. There is nothing in the Constitution that makes this “gang of five” bribe sucking clowns above the law. There is nothing in the Constitution that even mentions corporations much less gives them status equal to or greater than the Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches of government. How can you support such a ruling?
I think you're indulging in hyperbole and overkill. If you think I'm wrong, that's ok, the sun will rise tomorrow.Your explanation delves into semantics, innuendo and imposition, as well as presumption, as I see it. Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.But don't question my sanity, I never said these corporations should achieve or be rewarded with, personal rights I personally believe you are reading too much into the decision, so what? Nothing, that's what. I'm not going to change your mind and you won't change mine. See ya' around……………….. Hanzo
The U.S. Supreme Court in 1975 ruled that you cannot limit spending for political candidates because by limiting the spending of money you are limiting the exercise of free speech. The result has been devastating. Politics is awash with money and those with the most money have the most free speech, and the most “access” to political officials. This “access” enables money to “talk,” and what it tells legislators and executives is “take care of me.” And officials “listen.”
I believe that the ruling that money = free speech is cause number one for the intolerable corruption we now have in our political life. We have more lobbyists than ever before taking officeholders to lunch and explaining where they stand on a given measure. No need to make deals because everyone knows how much money "access" is worth.
Explain again why you think money equaling free speech is good? You said earlier money does not equal rights, yet speech is considered a right!!
I will take back the insanity accusation, you definitely are not insane. See ya!
Thumbs down on this article. The author clearly fails to understand "liberal rage" over this issue.
I enjoy wailing and gnashing of teeth. It always gives me that warm fuzzy. If the commies are feeling this way now, wait until November.
When did Olberman start trying to become Howard Beale?
Yeah, and the 1920's weren't awash in corruption. Corporations will pay out to politicians and politicians will happily accept their political 'donations' and the law be damned. This allows corporations the ability to support a candidate in a more (am I the only one that hates to use the word transparency?) visible way.
What of this- your a small self employed business owner…now, you can put an add in a local newspaper or the local news in support of your candidate…before, your small little voice wasn't heard.
You all need to get a grip! All this disention is unseemly when confronted with the "Chosen Ones's" obvious mental superiority. He has surrounded himself with the best academic thinkers to help lead us into the promise land. The promise of not having to worry about all those things like a job, a house, a car, your retirement, your kid's education, FREEDOM. All will be provided in a land where all are equal, although some may be slightly more equal than others. But not to worry!
[...] I make an argument that liberals think you are stupid, then they provide the evidence: It is very difficult to have a democracy without citizens. It is [...]
As that brilliant mind Forest Gump stated, "Stupid is as stupid does!" We "stupid" folks just did it in Mass. and will continue to do "stupid" voting this fall.
This is nothing but an extremely unAmerican and unpatriotic group of thieves believing that Americans had given up so many of their civil liberties in silence during the Global War on Terror scam that opening the “Pandora’s Box” of class conflict could now be done with nobody saying a word. Their “corporate person” is now a Baron or Duke, the great landlords of the medieval period. Americans are now destined for serfdom. Their political and economic theories, what are they? Is it conservatism or feudalism?
In 1859, judges ruled that people (slaves) were property, now in 2010, judges have ruled that property (corporations) are people, and we thought we had come so far!
When a corporation commits a crime, nobody goes to jail. When wars come, they don’t fight, they simply rake in cash. When children are poisoned or workers are killed, they seldom even pay a fine. However, when they want something, billions in tax money for “bail outs” or fat contracts or special laws, they have always gotten it. It has been a battle to control corporations for 140 years. Sometimes the American people have lost, sometimes they have won. The greatest presidents are the ones who reined in corporate power and kept the influence of money over humanity in check. Think of Theordore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman, Dwight Eisenhower and John Kennedy.
Without them we would be living in work camps, stuck at machines all day, our children at our sides. We would be paid in beans and salt pork, dying at 40 in filth like people around the world who live in countries controlled by corporations.
I guess we are just going to have to agree to disagree.
I honestly agree with the Supreme Courts decision. I don't believe that free speech is limited to individual citizens. When citizens form a group, whether it be a corporate enterprise or a non-profit, they do not hand over their freedom of speech and ability to vocalize their political opinions.
Thanks for the debate- you've definitely given me some things to think about.
One last point, that I think is very important, and one that everyone should be concerned about, the reason I do not believe this should be a partisan issue!
The ruling has made it legal for foreign controlled corporations to flush unlimited money into the political arena, and have a direct effect on political outcomes, many of the corporations operating in the US are foreign, for this reason alone, we should all voice our concern!
Why not require that our politicians wear the logos of their corporate sponsors (like NASCAR and other sports) at least we could know who our elected officials are really representing.
You scored some good points, even if I didn't tell you so! Thank you.
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The prohibition on foreign corporations putting money into political campaigns still stands. It has not been altered by this decision.
The more complicated question is how to treat U.S. subsidiaries of foreign companies or American corporations that are controlled by foreign investors.
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