Media Matters Quotes Infanticide Supporter to Defend Health Rationing
by Ben DomenechI find the George Soros-funded Media Matters for America outlet extremely entertaining in their capacity as the Obama White House’s fluffy attack chinchilla — not just because they clearly work so hard at such drudgery, but because they are so oblivious to their incredible irrelevance within the ongoing online conversation. In this case, I sadly didn’t even notice their long, drawn out response last week to my BigGovernment piece on CMS nominee Donald Berwick until just today. It’s a classically impotent MMFA attack post, in the sense that it spends an incredible amount of effort to rebut absolutely nothing I wrote.
They admit that Donald Berwick has expressed his support for a health care plan which “redistribute[s] wealth from the richer among us to the poorer”; he does talk about how he’s “romantic” about Britain’s National Heath System; he expresses his strong support for “rationing with our eyes open.” You can see video excerpts of Berwick’s remarks here. In fact, in quoting at length trying to provide some wiggle room, MMFA actually makes Berwick seem worse!
In any case, normally I’d just let MMFA continue on their merry way until the Obama White House calls them up to tell them who needs to be squeaked at tomorrow. But their naivete when it comes to health policy is so evident in their choice of sources, I have to point out one aspect of their response to me: their reliance on a rebuttal, and a support for health care rationing, from one Dr. Peter Singer.
You may recognize the name, and not know why. The MMFA author, who evidently didn’t, quotes at length from Dr. Singer’s piece in support of health care rationing in the New York Times: “The debate over health care reform in the United States should start from the premise that some form of health care rationing is both inescapable and desirable. Then we can ask, What is the best way to do it?”
Dr. Singer is, of course, most well known for his support of non-voluntary euthanasia and infanticide for disabled infants, or just because the parents feel like it. I’m not exaggerating — he makes no bones about his support for infanticide and has written multiple books and essays on the subject, arguing essentially that while animals are self-conscious beings, newborns and people who suffer from diseases such as Alzheimer’s aren’t — so they lack the quality of personhood which prevents us from killing them. In Singer’s 1993 book, he wrote:
To take the lives of [self conscious people], without their consent, is to thwart their desires for the future. Killing a snail or a day-old infant does not thwart any desires of this kind, because snails and newborn infants are incapable of such desires.
In Singer’s 1996 book, he wrote:
Human babies are not born self-aware, or capable of grasping that they exist over time. They are not persons. Hence their lives would seem to be no more worthy of protection than the life of a fetus.
Would you kill a disabled baby? KAREN MEADE, Dublin
Yes, if that was in the best interests of the baby and of the family as a whole.
Just to be clear: Media Matters for America has no problem quoting, in defense of rationing health care, a person who has bluntly advocated the right to kill newborn babies. From his 1988 book, “Should the Baby Live?”:
It does not seem wise to add to the burden on limited resources by increasing the number of severely disabled children.
I wonder if Donald Berwick agrees with Media Matters that Dr. Singer is a person we ought to listen to when it comes to rationing your health care?
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This is the path the US chose when we elected obama.
Media Matters is owned by the Nazi Soros. Nothing surprising here except it's infiltrated our society. Soon we will have concentration camps if we dont' take our country back and get rid of the disease carrying cockroaches.
Media Mutters?
I wonder if George Soros feels as if he truly is getting his money's worth? From a business model standpoint, it seems flawed. Surely he could have chosen a better investment vehicle than a group of buffons.
Media Matters. Not anymore. How can it matter when ninety percent of the time the msm colludes and corrupts
all in the interest of dividing America. They have acted not only stupidly but criminally.
I wonder what "Media Matters" (that doesn't matter) tax status is? Exempt? Non-profit?
We WILL get to the bottom of that question very soon, 6 months to go. tick. tick. tick.
Why are liberals for killing innocent children and against killing radical islamic terrorists – even after a trial – run by liberals. Nuts to them.
Years from now, people will look on these decisions and wonder how we came to such moral darkness.
Don't forget that "Dr." Singer tried to get chimps CIVIL RIGHTS in Spain in 2008. Can you believe the hypocrisy? Kill a disabled child against it's will but give chimps civil rights so they can't be owned?
TOO much LSD in the 60's Doc!
So if Singer had his way, Stephen Hawking would have been aborted…….?
So when is a baby considered to have achieved that age where he is deemed capable of having "desires" and can no longer be aborted? When he "desires" government freebies and Democrats in office to dole them out, perhaps?
Yes but even "factcheck.org" gets quoted a lot even though it's a 2 man operation (wife and husband) which of course are nothig but shills for the progressives. So Media Mutters sounds like a professional entity to all the sheeple and whatever they post will be taken as gospel in many left circles.
The thought that there are people who think about rationing health care in this way is sickening. It does however illustrate that if the government is in charge of rationing, they will go to people like this who will come up with all kinds of methods to ration healthcare. No doubt, someday this will include political ideology and affiliation.
I must say, and I am sorry if this offends you, but if I just happened to be squeezing my hands together, and "Dr." Singers neck were to fall in the path of my hands, who would bet that I would not stop squeezing? Delete me if you must administrators, but people like this, who openly advocate the death of INNOCENT CHILDREN should not be allowed to draw upon the sweet life-giving substance known as oxygen.
Death Panels are real with the Obamacare bill. They're already operating in Oregon. Forced abortions will not be far behind.
Forced abortions will be sold as a way to save money by aborting children with any developmental or health problems that will cost more to the state than they will benefit the state.
Media Matters and their sugar daddy are completely detached from what the average American believes about abortion, health care, and probably every other important topic. But, look at it this way: all these clowns would be unemployed if not for Soros! In his own special way, he's reducing the entitlement burden on productive American taxpayers (while desperately trying to increase the entitlement burden on productive Americans).
The "fluffy attack chinchilla" jab is spectacular. I will henceforth picture the chinchilla photo you linked every time Media Matters is mentioned, and I will laugh instead of feeling irritated. Thanks!
Obama/Berwick/Soros world view says gov has the right to kill innocent babies but Arizona asks for proof you are here legally than you are compared to Nazi Germany. Hmmm Just wonder whose world view sounds more like Nazi Germany?
And I, for one, hope that Peter Singer developes some ailment that needs rationing.
Why would you assume Media Matters and their targeted reader would be concerned much less shocked by such views? It's my experience with committed far left ideologues that they are the most intelligent and enlightened. And only they are able to successfully break barriers in creative and meaning thought. Whether or not Singer's opinions are "too extreme" is less the issue than the matter of his ability to quite "intelligently" make his case. Only the enlightened can handle such mind stretching exercises.
It reminds me of a woman I knew in the 80s who was much into "modern" music and often belittled all popular forms. I joined her for a concert and the performance was the most discordant and unmusical collection of noises I've ever heard from a piano. I could have banged a book randomly on the keys and produce the same. With my remarks, she became convinced I was a true idiot heathen.
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"Human babies are not born self-aware, or capable of grasping that they exist over time. They are not persons. Hence their lives would seem to be no more worthy of protection than the life of a fetus."
In a sane world this would actually be a reductio ad absurdum argument for a position against legalized abortion. Leave Obamacare in place and in a generation or two social mores will be so eroded that Singer will be seen as a sage by your average Democrat and "pragmatic" Republican. God help us all.
Ah ha ha … Media Matters is just a Stalin compound with dweebs spewing out propagandized liberal attacks and misinformation on Truth. They are brainless.
EXACTLY!!!!! GREAT POINT.
NOthing these people say is true/real/moral. I just had this discussion with my brother who was soooo concerned that corporate drones make the decisions for insurance companies. I scoffed at the idea that the govt bureaucrats would be deciding. How ignorant can you get? At least the private sector can be controlled by market forces. Then he was stunned to find out that health care is rationed in socialist countries. This guy has a really high IQ so where do they get their ridiculous information? At least he agrees that no one can make an American buy insurance. He was so convinced the law propped up insurance cos. I explained that the law makes profit impossible, so investors go away and then the insurance co goes away. Then we all get to bail them out or go to single payer.
So is this Margaret's boy?
the NHS in the UK is rotting from the inside out…
Used to be private, then the gummint took it over- and has spent nary a farthing in infrastructure- and has used it and basically ran it down. Old buildings, aging equipment, long waits, rationing- that's what's coming.
Except to those in Congress…
If Mr. Singer is using the moral agent argument that a fetus is not a moral agent and therefore cannot have rights then Mr. Singer what happens when you fall asleep? When you're asleep you clearly are not a moral agent, clearly are not self aware and, in fact show no sign of having any human capacity what so ever.
But clearly nobody sneaks into your bedroom and harvests your kidneys or euthanizes you because you, at that moment, are not a sentient, self away, moral agent.
The same argument applies to a fetus. Mr. Singer is not self aware during sleep but because Mr. Singer is potentially going to wake up and resume moral agency he is spared being flushed down a toilet.
What then changes when its a fetus. The fetus will grow into a moral agent. BTW Mr. Singer, when you were 5 you also would not meet the standards of moral agency. Does that mean you can be disposed of?
I just can't help thinking what would happen if a conservative organization trumped out Hitler for some supporting quotes? Seem a little extream? I thought this was part of Hitler's experiment to rid the world of the inferior – certainly the disabled and infirm, and it just progressed from there (ooohhh there's that progressive word). Sounds similar to Mr. Perter Singer's views (I'm not calling this man a Dr., Human is hard enough). Why there isn't there any blow back on MM and this wack a doo any way? The silence of our deaf media is the most chilling and telling aspect to this whole situation.
"It does not seem wise to add to the burden on limited resources by increasing the number of severely disabled children."
And people think Sara Palin is wacky for being concerned about "death panels". BTW this is nothing new. The Scandinavian countries in the 1920s practiced eugenics to the point of executing handicapped children and forcibly sterilizing the parents.
Guess Mr. Singer has never held a newborn baby. I had the wondrous joy of holding my newborn grandson last month, when he was only a couple of hours old. Don't insult me by telling me this precious baby is not a person. I was there for a week after his birth to help my daughter, and I could see how much he learned to respond to his mom, dad, older brothers, and me in that short period of time. Singer is an immoral nazi.
When I look back on my elementary days I remember some kids who despite an
animal's apparent imminent death still held out for hope. Today's Republican
Party's Stance On Death Panels is the same mindset.
Some of Obama's wacky czars are already in favor of forced abortions, the way things were done in China. Ironically, now China faces a crisis of a country being overridden with men and are now encouraging procreation.
Modern people ask how the German citizens could sit by while 6 million Jews were gassed and cremated. But that is NOTHING compared to US citizens sitting by while 49.5 MILLION babies were slaughtered in the USA since 1973…
If a man kills a pregnant woman, he is charged with TWO murders, but if that same woman the day before killed the fetus, it's 100% LEGAL.
If a high school girl stuffs her unwanted newborn into a garbage can, we call her a monster, but if she "aborted" it the day before , it's 100% LEGAL.
This is pure insanity.
BTW all countries with national health care systems like Norway, Sweden etc have extremely closed borders. They even have dual citizen levels so even IF you are allowed in you're not a full citizen like a natural born citizen. Don't worry, the left WILL close the borders AND put tanks on the borders soon enough. If they are going to ration health care and freely admit to it they are NOT going to let anyone come over the boarder and get free health care. Try that in Canada and see how far that gets you.
It's a shame this clown's mother hadn't thought twice about having him. Sounds like he hasn't evolved either.
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A few months ago, there was a report that Britain will begin dismantling the NHS in 3 years because it has proven to be an abysmal failure.
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richardporter, think of the growth potential for the Community Hospice Industry!
I do love when people try to base their argument on information from snopes. So many times just a quick bing search will prove snopes either incorrect or unfounded.
Are you thinking of Margaret Sanger?
"…in the sense that it spends an incredible amount of effort to rebut absolutely nothing I wrote."
Now Ben, please try not to take it so hard that these mewling libtards don't quite measure up to their
churlish behavior. You think you have it bad. The other day I googled for the editorial column published
by MediaBladders and when I clicked the link it redirected me to convoluted dot com. It was clear
I hit paydirt when my anti-virus protection blocked the web site. Something to do with crappy
content depository. Don't know what it meant by, "Push Down To Flush". I didn't see any handles.
Oh well.
"When I look back on my elementary days"
Yesterday?
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Funny you should mention that. Several times I have tried to find things mentioned on media(does not)matter only to find that their source had either been scrubbed or I was not able to access them for one reason or another.
Thanks for the plug.
Media Matters
He don't have butt plugs here. Media Matters has that market sewed up.
Thank God.
Fluffy attack chinchilla wanna cookie?
"Fluffy attack chinchilla"–Good one!
true dat.
Singer quacked: "It does not seem wise to add to the burden on limited resources by increasing the number of severely disabled children."
Therein lies the slippery slope. What exactly does "severely disabled" mean? According to Singer and his ilk, it could mean "a child born to conservative/Christian/white/not-cool-like-us parents."
The UK already buys Singer's argument that a baby is not a person. Babies born live who die a day or two later are classified as "stillborn." Preemies born live who die shortly after are classified as "spontaneous abortions." They also refuse to treat super-preemies–just let them die in their mother's arms. It's sickening.
Freedom must be defended by you………now!
http://therealrevo.com/blog/?p=27334
Using Dr. Singers' analysis, does it mean that when it is determined that Liberalism and progressivism are proven to be actually mental disorders, will it be OK to euthanize them?
Just asking!
Thanks Dr. Mengele for clarifying the Democrat party's mindset on Death Panels:
There is no god but we elite, self-anointed Progressives; we alone will decide who is worthy of life and who must die; a human life is no more valuable than that of a worm, unless the human has attained the age and mental capacity to be sentient — and we will decide when and who qualifies. Like our hero, Saul Alinsky said, the ends justifies the means, and because we are trying to build a utopian Marxist paradise, some inferior beings may need to be sacrificed for the good of the collective.
Is it November yet?
Read this about eugenics:http://dprogram.net/2010/04/18/global-warming-a-n...
Yes so be prepared for a whole slew of new ailments similar to ADHD found in fetuses that will give the state licenses to abort. "Sorry but your child has WeDontHaveEnoughMoneyIntheBudgetForMoreKidsThisYear-itis and so we'll have to abort.
I didn't elect him… a whole bunch of ignorant retards with D and I on their voter cards did that.
Not only does Singer think abortion is a good way to control the population/ control consumption, he thinks BORN children shouldn't have the right to life… so not only could Dr. Hawking have been killed as a fetus, if Singer had his way, Dr. Hawking could have been killed AFTER he was born as a way to conserve resources. This is the liberal's Great Misconception: They don't understand that adversity breeds achievement. This is why they cry for "fairness of results" rather than a system of "fairness of opportunity".
I hope you have a mouse in your pocket
Because I didn't vote for NobaMao
They already have a chart created for it! It is based on the probability any individual of any given age will "benefit society". If the numbers don't add up for you when you get sick at 1 month old or 70 years old you will be deemed unworthy and "take the pill rather than have the surgery" as Obama put it.
BTW the very same people who don't mind disposal of an inferior infant probably won't mind when inferior citizens are marched off to gas chambers. Remember the US is the last place that could prevent yet another Stalin/Mao atrocity.
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I'm referring to the nation as a whole. I didn't vote for him either, but the country did. And this is the result.
Further proof that "progressives and liberals" have no problem whatsoever with genocide, infanticide, eugenics and "master race" centered black liberation theology.
Congratulations D's you elected the black Adolf Hitler.
A little off topic but relevant: Llyod Marcus ( a Black Conservative) says this and we can email him on this site:
http://www.newswithviews.com/Marcus/lloyd134.htm
Mr. Soros will more than likely (because of his age) soon stand before the Creator of the Universe. My prayer is that he repents and spends eternity in the Creators presence and not with the "original community organizer" – Satan
Uh, …… I'm pretty sure Stephen Hawking was normal as a child. He developed Lou Gehrig's disease (ALS) in the 1960's. Don't get me wrong, I agree that Singer is a twisted f#uck, but we should make sure our facts are correct. What Singer's opinions will lead to is this; one day prenatal tests will reveal generic flaws that will be used to abort those determined to be 'unfit'. Then certain 'leaders' like Singer will be free to create a race of 'supermen'. That sound familiar ?
Damm Cb I am impressed and applaud your patience on devising an argument of logic to debunk this flawed moral relativism.
I do not understand these people…. are they missing some chromosomes?
Should Media Matters live? Thumbs down.
"…one day prenatal tests will reveal genetic flaws that will be used to abort those determined to be 'unfit'".
That happens everyday.
And yes, that does sound familiar.
I think that was tongue in cheek…
Hmmm?….well it is deformed….
Sad stuff here folks.
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And when research determines a predispostion to liberalism is a genetic flaw, it will be hidden from the world or faked. Like the global warming coverup.
He has – It's called "terminal stupidity".
Thanx, that was a poor choice of words on my part. I should have said that test and subsequent abortions will one day be deemed as mandatory for all pregnancies if people like Singer have it their way.
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Known plagiarist lies about Media Matters donor base. Or as it's called in the Big Breitbart editorial offices…Wednesday.
Please not that Dr. Singer was limiting his remarks to rare cases where infants are born with no brain, or with the brain growing outside the skull, problems even more grievous than those suffered by Ben Domenech during his eventful trip through the birth canal.
And yes, I am an OB/GYN.
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Soros was not a Nazi, even though he was coerced into working for them. It is never OK to accuse any Jew, particularly one who survived the European Holocaust, of being a Nazi. I marvel that none of the very pious christians who love to post here have any problem with hearing George Soros unfairly labeled a Nazi, as if it were no big deal. Moderators should remove the comment above, which is an affront to all Jews.
Absolutely infuriating. It never ceases to amaze me how the Left can NEVER actually go toe-to-toe in any sort of moral argument.
Along the same lines as cb750's comments, at what point or age is the human being no longer an infant/baby? In other words, when does their "moral agent" kick in? Even if one could accept this absurd argument, who gets to decide where the limitation is? "Oh, this baby is ONLY 1 hour past 24 hours old…"
There isn't a limitation. That's why people who subscribe to this insane form of thinking can easily be led down the path to ANY form of euthanasia.
Or worse. This clown seems like he wouldn't mind if the testing and "conclusion" were done by him (and his kind) after live birth…
Lloyd rocks – he is a fantastic guy, I met him at a Tea Party and he has the courage and guts to speak up for himself. Love his posts here too.
…when research determines? I've done my research. It's a flaw. Like thumb sucking!
Back that up now, please? If you post a claim that is a fact, you had better back that up real fast around here. Or does your anon name give you away?
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with all deference to your profession, he said "human babies" and "newborn infants" not "babies born without brains" or "brains hanging outside the head." Or do brains hanging outside the head not count as human, as some really good surgical practices have been developed (and most in the USA under our current medical system).
Again, I feel like I am the parrot poster "Back it up, back it up" if you are wanting us to see the context, post something that gives the context. Then I'm willing to give it a fair discussion and debate.
"Media Matters Quotes Infanticide Supporter To Defend Health Rationing."
Ben, you look like an absolute dick head sucking that stupid cigar. Why don't you just suck a dick and take a picture of it.
And your article as well as the title is preposterous.
No one supports infanticide. And health care has ALWAYS been rationed.
Go fuck yourself. You plagiarest loser. No one takes you seriously.
I understand it to be "Thou Shalt not Murder." We do kill millions of non-human creatures, obviously. Sometimes we have to kill to defend our person, property, and the lives and property of our loved ones. Would a person who caused an accidental death with no intent be held culpable of sin? Whereas Murder is dealing death with intent and forethought, etc.
Your comment just caused me to ponder a bit
I completely agree with your sentiment.
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"We should certainly put very strict restrictions on permissible infanticide, but these conditions might owe more to the effects of infanticide on others than to the intrinsic wrongness of killing an infant…Therefore, if killing the hemophiliac infant has no adverse affect on others, it would, according to the total view, be right to kill him." Peter Singer.
Thanks for proving, once again, that Progressives (Marxists) are profoundly ignorant.
Arf! Arf! Arf!
Get a grip, jackass.
You are out of your mind. No one takes such garbage seriously.
We've got serious issues facing us that deserve serious debate. Your bullshit serves no one.
lol, you took the words right out of my mouth damn_lucky! Never accuse me of such a heinous crime to America!
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