CRS Confirms: People Will Avoid the Individual Mandate
by Ben DomenechLast week I wrote about the certainty that Americans, particularly those younger, healthier Americans who insurance companies need to buy coverage in order to sustain President Obama’s new health care regime, will game the new system of individual mandates, just as they have in Massachusetts.
A new report from the Congressional Research Service, released to Oklahoma Sen. Tom Coburn, details the near certainty that this situation will be gamed by the American people to an unprecedented degree — including drawing out a few fascinating points which weren’t discussed to any great detail during the legislative process. The report paints a far worse picture of the likelihood of gaming the system — rather than just those younger Americans I suggested would choose month to month liquidity over the cost of insurance, this suggests that several other groups will have incentives to game the system.
For instance, CRS writes that the penalty for not purchasing coverage, which is assessed beginning in 2014, will not increase for large families:
Although [the base penalty] is a fixed per person amount, it is capped at three times this amount per year, regardless of the number of individuals in the taxpayer’s household who actually lack adequate coverage during the year. For example, a married couple filing jointly with two dependent children and no health insurance will have the same flat dollar assessment as a similarly situated married couple with three dependent children.
And individual purchasers, who tend to be the people more likely to defer coverage, have an affordability exemption which could cover a great deal of the lower middle class if, as expected, premiums continue to rise at expected levels.
A taxpayer who only has access to health insurance in the individual health insurance market qualifies for the hardship exemption if the annual premium of the lowest cost bronze level plan, minus any potential premium subsidies, exceeds 8% of the taxpayer’s household income.
But bigger than all of these is the question of IRS enforcement, which has been called into serious doubt since the passage of this plan. Since the IRS intends to enforce the individual mandate in the same way as any other enforced tax, there will be a major lag time between lack of coverage and the taxmen chasing you down — and what’s more, their ability to actually enforce the penalty is severely limited.
Unlike typical failures to pay, the IRS cannot threaten you with any liens or take any of your property in order to collect — they can increase interest owed and assess penalties (or go after refunds if you paid ahead), but they can’t apply the same kind of aggressive tactics they do with other forms of nonpayment.
Although there is an automated aspect to this assessment process, the process is not an immediate one. Instead, there is a lag of approximately 10 to 18 months between the filing of a return and the IRS’s issuing a letter proposing adjustments to the return based on the matching program. Thus, unless there is a change in procedures, it is unlikely that the IRS will assess the penalty on a return before routine processing of the return is completed…
Section 5000A(g)(2) of the IRC limits the means the IRS may employ to collect the penalty established in the section. First, the taxpayer is protected from either criminal prosecution or penalty for failure to pay the penalty. Second, the IRS is prohibited from either filing a NFTL [notice of federal tax lien] or levying any property in an effort to collect the penalty.
The Congressional Budget Office previously predicted that roughly 4 million Americans will skip out on the mandate, but reading this CRS report combined with the experience in Massachusetts makes me think it could be much higher than that, especially if the mandate stays at the approximately $1000 per year mark through 2016.
The end result of all this is a situation where individuals only buy coverage after they need it, knowing they’re guaranteed acceptance and will pay no penalty for it, is a system where people only buy coverage after getting sick or needing significant care, then drop it as soon as they are recuperated. The risk pool shrinks, as these “only when I need it” purchasers becoming expensive drags on their insurer, forcing raised costs for others who get care through an employer or have a chronic condition which requires regular care.
Any system of insurance, health care or otherwise, based on people’s good intentions for the community as opposed to themselves isn’t based on a real understanding of how consumers think. Buying health insurance isn’t like buying war bonds in the 1940s — and absent reforms of Obama’s law, people will absolutely game the system.
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Its all coming unglued and the lies are being exposed bit by bit as the hoods come off of the players involved in this epic fraud.
do not know if this is true,…….but ,.if so this is related,…………
apparently,…….this,……….Muslims are exempt from the health care requirement,……….
must be some sort of Muslim religious thing if it is true,…………..
can anyone (hopefully) debunk this.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/03/amish...
the above is to back up the rest of this article
Word of the Day:,……….. Dhimmitude
Now that we have Obama Care, at least until we can overturn the
bill, note that in the provisions of the bill, Muslims and Amish do not
have to sign up for the mandatory health care, NOR pay for it because of
religious convictions, They can however, enjoy the benefits of free
health care.
If you have never heard the word until now—Type it into Google
and start reading…Pretty interesting. Note that Muslims and certain
other religions are exempt from the Obamacare penalties and it is
supported by law. We are surrendering from within! The boy is leading
us right down the path to total control!
Dhimmitude is the Muslim system of controlling non-muslim
populations conquered through jihad. Specifically, it is the TAXING of
non-muslims in exchange for tolerating their presence AND as a coercive
means of converting conquered remnants to islam.
The ObamaCare bill is the establishment of Dhimmitude and Sharia
muslim diktat in the United States . Muslims are specifically exempted
from the government mandate to purchase insurance, and also from the
penalty tax for being uninsured. Islam considers insurance to be
"gambling", "risk-taking" and "usury" and is thus banned. Muslims are
specifically granted exemption based on this. How convenient. So I, a
Christian, will have crippling IRS liens placed against all of my
assets, including real estate, cattle, and even accounts receivables,
and will face hard prison time because I refuse to buy insurance or pay
the penalty tax. Meanwhile, Louis Farrakhan will have no such penalty
and will have 100% of his health needs paid for by the de facto
government insurance. Non-muslims will be paying a tax to subsidize
muslims. Period. This is Dhimmitude.
Dhimmitude serves two purposes: it enriches the muslim masters
AND serves to drive conversions to islam. In this case, the incentive to
convert to islam will be taken up by those in the inner-cities as well
as the godless Generation X, Y and Z types who have no moral anchor. If
you don't believe in Christ to begin with, it is no problem whatsoever
to sell Him for 30 pieces of silver. "Sure, I'll be a muslim if it means
free health insurance and no taxes. Where do I sign, bro?"
I recommend sending this post to your contacts. This is
desperately important and people need to know about it – quickly.
do not know if this is true,…….but ,.if so this is related,…………
apparently,…….this,……….Muslims are exempt from the health care requirement,……….
must be some sort of Muslim religious thing if it is true,…………..
can anyone (hopefully) debunk this.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/03/amish...
the above is to back up the rest of this article
Word of the Day:,……….. Dhimmitude
Now that we have Obama Care, at least until we can overturn the
bill, note that in the provisions of the bill, Muslims and Amish do not
have to sign up for the mandatory health care, NOR pay for it because of
religious convictions, They can however, enjoy the benefits of free
health care.
If you have never heard the word until now—Type it into Google
and start reading…Pretty interesting. Note that Muslims and certain
other religions are exempt from the Obamacare penalties and it is
supported by law. We are surrendering from within! The boy is leading
us right down the path to total control!
Dhimmitude is the Muslim system of controlling non-muslim
populations conquered through jihad. Specifically, it is the TAXING of
non-muslims in exchange for tolerating their presence AND as a coercive
means of converting conquered remnants to islam.
The ObamaCare bill is the establishment of Dhimmitude and Sharia
muslim diktat in the United States . Muslims are specifically exempted
from the government mandate to purchase insurance, and also from the
penalty tax for being uninsured. Islam considers insurance to be
"gambling", "risk-taking" and "usury" and is thus banned. Muslims are
specifically granted exemption based on this. How convenient. So I, a
Christian, will have crippling IRS liens placed against all of my
assets, including real estate, cattle, and even accounts receivables,
and will face hard prison time because I refuse to buy insurance or pay
the penalty tax. Meanwhile, Louis Farrakhan will have no such penalty
and will have 100% of his health needs paid for by the de facto
government insurance. Non-muslims will be paying a tax to subsidize
muslims. Period. This is Dhimmitude.
Dhimmitude serves two purposes: it enriches the muslim masters
AND serves to drive conversions to islam. In this case, the incentive to
convert to islam will be taken up by those in the inner-cities as well
as the godless Generation X, Y and Z types who have no moral anchor. If
you don't believe in Christ to begin with, it is no problem whatsoever
to sell Him for 30 pieces of silver. "Sure, I'll be a muslim if it means
free health insurance and no taxes. Where do I sign, bro?"
I recommend sending this post to your contacts. This is
desperately important and people need to know about it – quickly.
do not know if this is true,…….but ,.if so this is related,…………
apparently,…….this,……….Muslims are exempt from the health care requirement,……….
must be some sort of Muslim religious thing if it is true,…………..
can anyone (hopefully) debunk this.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/03/amish...
the above is to back up the rest of this article
Word of the Day:,……….. Dhimmitude
Now that we have Obama Care, at least until we can overturn the
bill, note that in the provisions of the bill, Muslims and Amish do not
have to sign up for the mandatory health care, NOR pay for it because of
religious convictions, They can however, enjoy the benefits of free
health care.
If you have never heard the word until now—Type it into Google
and start reading…Pretty interesting. Note that Muslims and certain
other religions are exempt from the Obamacare penalties and it is
supported by law. We are surrendering from within! The boy is leading
us right down the path to total control!
Dhimmitude is the Muslim system of controlling non-muslim
populations conquered through jihad. Specifically, it is the TAXING of
non-muslims in exchange for tolerating their presence AND as a coercive
means of converting conquered remnants to islam.
The ObamaCare bill is the establishment of Dhimmitude and Sharia
muslim diktat in the United States . Muslims are specifically exempted
from the government mandate to purchase insurance, and also from the
penalty tax for being uninsured. Islam considers insurance to be
"gambling", "risk-taking" and "usury" and is thus banned. Muslims are
specifically granted exemption based on this. How convenient. So I, a
Christian, will have crippling IRS liens placed against all of my
assets, including real estate, cattle, and even accounts receivables,
and will face hard prison time because I refuse to buy insurance or pay
the penalty tax. Meanwhile, Louis Farrakhan will have no such penalty
and will have 100% of his health needs paid for by the de facto
government insurance. Non-muslims will be paying a tax to subsidize
muslims. Period. This is Dhimmitude.
Dhimmitude serves two purposes: it enriches the muslim masters
AND serves to drive conversions to islam. In this case, the incentive to
convert to islam will be taken up by those in the inner-cities as well
as the godless Generation X, Y and Z types who have no moral anchor. If
you don't believe in Christ to begin with, it is no problem whatsoever
to sell Him for 30 pieces of silver. "Sure, I'll be a muslim if it means
free health insurance and no taxes. Where do I sign, bro?"
I recommend sending this post to your contacts. This is
desperately important and people need to know about it – quickly.
do not know if this is true,…….but ,.if so this is related,…………
apparently,…….this,……….Muslims are exempt from the health care requirement,……….
must be some sort of Muslim religious thing if it is true,…………..
can anyone (hopefully) debunk this.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/03/amish...
the above is to back up the rest of this article
Word of the Day:,……….. Dhimmitude
Now that we have Obama Care, at least until we can overturn the
bill, note that in the provisions of the bill, Muslims and Amish do not
have to sign up for the mandatory health care, NOR pay for it because of
religious convictions, They can however, enjoy the benefits of free
health care.
If you have never heard the word until now—Type it into Google
and start reading…Pretty interesting. Note that Muslims and certain
other religions are exempt from the Obamacare penalties and it is
supported by law. We are surrendering from within! The boy is leading
us right down the path to total control!
Dhimmitude is the Muslim system of controlling non-muslim
populations conquered through jihad. Specifically, it is the TAXING of
non-muslims in exchange for tolerating their presence AND as a coercive
means of converting conquered remnants to islam.
The ObamaCare bill is the establishment of Dhimmitude and Sharia
muslim diktat in the United States . Muslims are specifically exempted
from the government mandate to purchase insurance, and also from the
penalty tax for being uninsured. Islam considers insurance to be
"gambling", "risk-taking" and "usury" and is thus banned. Muslims are
specifically granted exemption based on this. How convenient. So I, a
Christian, will have crippling IRS liens placed against all of my
assets, including real estate, cattle, and even accounts receivables,
and will face hard prison time because I refuse to buy insurance or pay
the penalty tax. Meanwhile, Louis Farrakhan will have no such penalty
and will have 100% of his health needs paid for by the de facto
government insurance. Non-muslims will be paying a tax to subsidize
muslims. Period. This is Dhimmitude.
Dhimmitude serves two purposes: it enriches the muslim masters
AND serves to drive conversions to islam. In this case, the incentive to
convert to islam will be taken up by those in the inner-cities as well
as the godless Generation X, Y and Z types who have no moral anchor. If
you don't believe in Christ to begin with, it is no problem whatsoever
to sell Him for 30 pieces of silver. "Sure, I'll be a muslim if it means
free health insurance and no taxes. Where do I sign, bro?"
I recommend sending this post to your contacts. This is
desperately important and people need to know about it – quickly.
To understand your point requires thinking.
And there is none of that around here. If a bill is passed by the democrats it's socialism. Or Obama is Hitler. Or we're being legislated into slavery.
Block this jerks IP will you please.
As far as any thing I've read about this goes, Ralph, you're correct.
I can't for the life of me expect this mandate to pass any sort of constitutionality test. I don't think there's anything to worry about here. The feds just can't mandate that you purchase insurance. What's next? To save the American auto industry, we're mandated to buy GM vehicles?
DUH!
Not almost like…Just like.
That was the plan and if you don't like fight back in November. November is the only chance to revise this law.
too hard to repeal but we can change the BS that should go
Oh boy, the trolls are active today, just more proof that the Proggressives are losing the debate, too many facts for them to deal with, and too many of their own lies to remember.
Thank you for passing on this important information. Add to this the fact that two devout muslims are now working in homeland security, it's been approved to build a mosque near the twin tower site in New York…….WAKE UP EVERYONE!
I think what is happening on a deeper level is that when they were drafting the law, Democrats realized they had to HIDE the nature of their law, which is the use of government force against citizens. They had to keep their nastier weapons like liens and jail and foreclosures and confiscations kept out of sight so that people would not see it for the coercion that it is, and Dems could keep up the pretense that health care reform is like a family affair and we are all just looking out for each other and this is all voluntary (you do want to take care of your "family," don't you?). But as Machiavelli observed, a political leader cannot retain command without the use of force to back him up. Now that Democrats put away the worst weapons, enterprising Americans won't obey. Democrats will either have to crack down and risk the people's wrath, or their scheme will fall apart completely. Not looking good for them.
"The constitution authorizes none of this, and you know it."
Utter nonsense. And I suppose the Constitution authorizes free emergency room care for those who opt to freeload off the taxpayer. Is that the way it goes?
God you people are stupid.
People always have and always will act out of self interest. We are capitalists by birth and heritage and of course this natural instinct will be heightened even more when faced with such a horribly conceived and overreaching mandate.
If there is a way to dodge it, those who can, will. It's like the tax code. Those with the most resources at their hands find the loopholes and wiggle right through.
Freebaggers. The new group that lives on the gubment. What do you do if your household premium is 1,000 dollars a month and much of your medical care is denied and you have to ay it out of pocket for another 1,000 a month because the gubment rejects what you need?
I have no problem with a man who disagrees with me and is willing to be honest and engage in open debate.
This jerk contributes nothing, his only goal is to antagonize and attack and he constantly insults people on this board. He has to go.
The new law is NOT an improvement of the current system. You merely think it is an improvement because that is what you were told when it was passed. Since then, the truth has been leaking out.
The admin is now admitting is will cost 2.5 X the amount they claimed and that rationing will have to be done, which means people will suffer and die. If our cancer survival rates go down to the levels of UK or Canada, that means more than 300,000 people every single year will needlessly die. In perspective, we lost about 500,000 during 5 years of WWII.
Another thing to consider is that the entire European socialism model is now collapsing at the same time Obama and Pelosi are trying to double down on it to be like Europe.
Moreover, the IMF and the EU are now forcing Greece to cut costs and save money by forcing them to dump their bloated socialized medicine system and privatize it! Let that one soak in for a minute.
.
You pretty much nailed it. European socialism is collapsing, Greece is on fire and Spain is next. The only thing that propped them up this long has been the US Military subsidy.
The only people who still think it works are Castro, Chavez and bitter clingers of Utopian mysticism.
we're stupid? at least while i'm carrying you and all the other non-productive libtards on my back, i WAS free to buy the health care i wanted with what little money i was left by the government. now I will be for ced to accept the same health care as the non-productive, and you think I'M crazy because I think govt will provide health care the same way they provide everything else………….badly
I suggest we no longer suffer fools, but just thumb them down and move on.
give me an idea or a thought to ponder,……
not a stone to dodge,………..
These vermin are no longer afraid of the light. It makes one wonder if the fix is already in.
"I suppose you'd rather go back to the old system where the freeloaders pay nothing. They just show up at the emergency room.
"It would have been much easier to fix THAT, idiot."
Really? So why did George Bush and the republican Congress do nothing when they controlled the government? And why did the GOP fail to offer a single solution?
And what is this easy fix you fantasize about? I can't wait to hear it.
Now Anon, how did you get so sensible…..lol….I bet you are driving Anon the Troll nuttier then he
already is….Good going!!
"we're stupid? at least while i'm carrying you and all the other non-productive libtards on my back, i WAS free to buy the health care i wanted with what little money i was left by the government."
Yes, you're stupid.
No one carries me. I've worked for myself for 27 years.
And you are still free to buy the health care you want. ObamaCare has expanded your choices. You can buy the same care that covers our Congress if you'd like.
God you people are stupid.
"………….you will never change anything that is wrong……….."
the wrong thing was changed there Voice……..
now we two problems to deal with.
The European Union and the IMF is forcing Greece to abandon socialized medicine to save money. Now, let that one soak in for a minute folks.
The cradle of the "light" socialism, Europe, is admitting that socialized medicine is a bloated and wasteful government enterprise. They are forcing one of it's members to privatize medicine to save money. This, after Obama and Pelosi forced it down our throats when we were telling them so.
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The Constitution has nothing to do with free emergency room care. It is unconstitutional to mandate that hospitals provide free care unless they are owned by a state, in which case the state gets to decide. The Constitution provides for none of the regulation of the economy that we see today besides making sure that states do not pass tariffs against each other.
And it is not until AFTER this disgusting bill was signed into law that this information gets out, though it had to be known all along. The Democrats lied to the American people at every turn to get this law passed, and many of them went along like little lemmings led by the head lemmings, Pelosi, Reid, and Obama. I hate to use the comparison because I think lemmings are smarter and have more integrity than the Dems I mentioned.
I am Obama in drag.
You, sir, are lying. Obamacare requires that only government-approved plans be sold. Therefore, one is not "…free to buy the health care you want." That is, by definition, a RESTRICTION of choices.
In addition, this is not authorized anywhere in the Constitution. "And I suppose the Constitution authorizes free emergency room care for those who opt to freeload off the taxpayer." Do you work to come up with meaningless sentences? Whether the current system is working, constitutional, or neither, has no bearing on the status of Obamacare. You have no idea what you're talking about.
BTW, I notice you were unable to refute the charge of unconstitutionality – probably because you have not valid argument. By all means, try, I'm sure it will be entertaining.
God you are stupid.
I suspect that anon is a master douchbag since he is able to identify it in someone else and I suspect he excels at freeloading. Experience is a great teacher, thanks for your wisdom.
Shock, Dismay, Disbelief. We already knew this. That is why we have taken too the streets.
Restore the Republic,
God Bless America
You really are an idiot, aren't you?
According to that argument, the previous administration doing nothing on a particular issue means that the next one is justified in doing anything at all on the issue? If you were able to think, you'd realize what a dangerous (not to mention illogical) argument that is.
As far as the GOP offering no solutions, they offered plenty during the rush to pass the idiocy of Obamacare – every one of which was shot down. Of course, you're an idiot who probably gets his "news" from CNN or similar, so I'm not surprised you didn't hear about it. Mustn't disturb the sheep's narrative, y'know.
Missy I can't help but comment on your hood comment. The hoods are coming off, that use to refer to the KKK, however in recent times it seems that the O, his admin, and the lame stream media are the new KKK waiting around every corner to lynch an unsuspecting tea partier or conservative or heterosexual white male of some perceived infraction.
Mango, it doesn't matter what lessons the Euros socialized medicine experiment teaches us. Obamao and friends know in all of their dark little hearts that it just hasn't been done correctly, and that they and they alone know how to make socialized medicine work. They want us on the Euro social model and will try to get us there by any means possible. Liberalism is a mental disease.
"Obamacare requires that only government-approved plans be sold."
That's nothing new, you imbecile.
ObamaCare, like our national parks, interstate highways, social security, medicare, air traffic controllers, CDC, Consumer Products Safety Commission, etc. etc. without question passes Constitutional muster.
God you're stupid.
It doesn't change one word of the EMTALA Act…the idiotic legislation that lets people use emergency rooms as doctor offices…
Of course, when WE get our healthcare so broken down, we can use EMTALA ourselves…
God, Statist Prog Lefty Libs are SCARY stupid…
SCARY, SCARY stupid…
Will you shut your damn yap.
http://www.gop.gov/solutions/healthcare
* Number one: let families and businesses buy health insurance across state lines.
* Number two: allow individuals, small businesses, and trade associations to pool together and acquire health insurance at lower prices, the same way large corporations and labor unions do.
* Number three: give states the tools to create their own innovative reforms that lower health care costs.
* Number four: end junk lawsuits that contribute to higher health care costs by increasing the number of tests and procedures that physicians sometimes order not because they think it's good medicine, but because they are afraid of being sued.
And theres plenty more idiot, start with immediately making all healthcare expenses, from insurance to medicine to procedures, tax deductible. These measures will have real and immediate effect on working men and women.
I have no doubt you are interestes in debate or even understand these things, we know what you are all about.
"It is unconstitutional to mandate that hospitals provide free care unless they are owned by a state, in which case the state gets to decide."
You are an idiot. Any hospital that accepts federal tax dollars is not allowed to turn patients away.
"The Constitution provides for none of the regulation of the economy"
And where does the Constitution provide for our interstate highways?
Fool.
MAD- be realistic, even if we take back both house (which is slim) Obama still can Veto any attempt to repeal and there won't 2/3 of both house to overide his veto. that's why it's easier to chop away at it.
the key is November.
Obamacare is now a bad word, that's what democrats think of their plan.
Tanstaafl!
Look it up.
This entire thing is unconstitutional so who cares.
"* Number one: let families and businesses buy health insurance across state lines.
ObamaCare does just that.
* Number two: allow individuals, small businesses, and trade associations to pool together and acquire health insurance at lower prices, the same way large corporations and labor unions do.
ObamaCare does just that.
* Number three: give states the tools to create their own innovative reforms that lower health care costs.
ObamaCare just does that.
* Number four: end junk lawsuits that contribute to higher health care costs by increasing the number of tests and procedures that physicians sometimes order not because they think it's good medicine, but because they are afraid of being sued. "
ObamaCare does just that. Except the lawsuits portion, whcih amount to 1% of health care costs.
Glad to have you on board with ObamaCare!
The pundits were right. Once folks figure out what ObamaCare is all about they'll love it.
"Unconstitutional laws" have to be fought or the will never be repealed.
"Unconstitutional laws" have to be fought or the will never be repealed.
Memo to young people: Wake up, Obama is not your friend.
Don't have to repeal it at all. Just un-fund it, and it will never be implemented. Has been done many times it effectively "kill" something stupid that gets passed.
Here you go Harry.
Again, glad to have you on board.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/03/23/whats-h...
Now your just making sh#t up – Obama care does NONE of those things.
Ha ha ha ha, the lawsuit portion amounts to only 1% of health care costs? What are you smoking. It amounts to almost 30% of health care costs in additional tests, and higher fees to pay for medical malpractice insurance. When Texas put a cap on law suits, and Dr. insurance rates went down, overall medical costs in Texas dropped over 20% in just the 2nd year of the program.
You're in drag alright, and not Obama. Run people, run.
Too bad you have no clue that the first tenet of Christianity is that Man has free will–secular collectivists believe Man should not have free will.
I'll go with Christianity any day.
Awesome perspective. I love it!
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/crickets
I doubt you have ever worked a day in your disgusting pitiful life. But if you call waiting by the mailbox for your entitlement check – work, then pardon me. About the only thing I notice you doing is trolling conservative blogs and spewing hate.
You're not fooling no one.
Oh what an understatement! These two are the High King Retards, co-rulers of all retards.
Soon this bill will make us all LAW BREAKERS!!!! They will not stop people from doing what they want too, just like POT, people smoke it everyday even though their is a wasted "Drug War" going on that is just blowing our tax dollars to hell!
Everything in this country is backwards! Why can't I grow my own just like I can own and pay for my OWN health insurance? This is a crazy country we live in!
But, the problem is that it doesn't do "just that". It does a whole lot more that is entirely unnecessary, and almost as much that is counter-productive.
I guess the pundits are retards, just like you.
Uh huh. Weasel, coward and a liar. Like I said, we know what you are all about.
I thought anon's mom must have wandered into the basement while he was freebasing and posted something!
Because you are circumcised, the goat is not in your bedroom and your left hand doesn't smell like sh!t !!!!
It's a Cloward Piven Strategy to destroy the private health insurance industry.
I used to believe that liberals simply had no understanding of human nature and were surprised at outcomes the opposite of what they expected. This may still be true to some extent as the libs I know definitely live in la la land.
BUT now I know that there are those using the idiots (with "good" intentions) to destroy this country, not just health insurance. Plus they want to add Mexicans and Puerto Ricans. Cloward Piven for sure!!!
As Gommer Pyle would say: "Surprise, Surprise, Surprise!! Barry Odumba HAS ALL the Answers!!!
If you LIKE your coverage you can keep it! And watch out for those EEVVIIILLL doctors who rip out your tonsils and cut your feet of for extra cash!!
Barry apparently thinks we ARE REALLY, REALLY not very bright.
What a surprise… It's almost like they designed the bill to fail so that they could have universal healthcare as a backup…
The comparator for the new law should be the current system, rather than some imaginary utopia. Compared to the current system, it is an improvement. If you compare bills to an imaginary utopia, you will never change anything that is wrong.
I think it may be a case of the riders being more important than the law. There has t6o be a reason they were so gung ho on passing this monstrosity.
Yeah lets go back to the freeloader system, at least then we knew who they were.
I can't for the life of me expect this mandate to pass any sort of constitutionality test. I don't think there's anything to worry about here. The feds just can't mandate that you purchase insurance. What's next? To save the American auto industry, we're mandated to buy GM vehicles?
I can't for the life of me expect this mandate to pass any sort of constitutionality test. I don't think there's anything to worry about here. The feds just can't mandate that you purchase insurance. What's next? To save the American auto industry, we're mandated to buy GM vehicles?
"The comparator for the new law should be the current system, rather than some imaginary utopia."
Who says? You? Who are you but some jerk?
The comparator should be what is right and what is wrong – and what is allowed by the Constitution.
"Compared to the current system, it is an improvement. If you compare bills to an imaginary utopia, you will never change anything that is wrong."
This supports nothing, it is simply a statement of opinion; the opinion of a jerk, who is wrong.
The constitution authorizes none of this, and you know it.
Now fuck off.
I second that emotion…but then again he is the poster boy for progressive/libtard thinking…about the only purpose he serves in life….
I believe the provision concerns the Amish, but not the Muslims.
ANON you seem to be the stupid one. what exactly is going to change with the freeloaders?
This law doesn't make them now NON-freeloaders.
You should not speak of which you do not know
STFU
ANON you seem to be the stupid one. what exactly is going to change with the freeloaders?
This law doesn't make them now NON-freeloaders.
You should not speak of which you do not know
STFU
Burn the heretic,
Kill the mutant,
Purge the unclean!
Oh, and block his IP number.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8UhsXhEl4o
Retard, if people don't want insurance they shouldn't be penalized for it other than going into debt for medical services if they for some reason need them.
Anon…you are a clueless imbicile. This Healthcare "Reform" will do nothing but create MORE FREELOADERS! Almost every policy advocated by the President encourages freeloaders and diminishes personal responsibility.
It is true.
It is against muslim law to "PAY FOR INSURANCE"
the amish are also exempt.
Plus Cut down your messages…..
too hard to repeal? i don't think so. we NEED to repeal the entire entitlement state if this country is to survive and i for one am committed to it.
I see you haven't responded to my first question today. Do you have anything sensible to contribute?
I suppose you'd rather go back to the old system where the freeloaders pay nothing. They just show up at the emergency room.
It would have been much easier to fix THAT, idiot, than change the whole dang system.
God anon is stupid.
I think that anon is Obama in drag….
I thinks it's quite obvious who the stupid are and now that American people are on to the boy king tutenbama
and his minions it's all mind over matter. We dont mind cause you dont matter.
What would the government do if we ALL 'claimed' to be muslims?? They have no way to disprove that!!
I just posted what was sent to me,….did not edit it,……………..
believe me,….i am a proponent of short and sweet. there 86-44
We could just ALL 'claim' to be muslim…how would they disprove that???
We could just ALL 'claim' to be muslim…how would they disprove that???
Don't forget, you're both retards.
OMG! You mean people won't submit to the will of the Collective????
Sorry, libs. You're not the Borg, and we're not assimilating.
Resistance is NOT futile!
Hold on a minute, gang…
Cut your withholding to the bare minimum…so you have to write a two digit to the left of the decimal point check for your normal taxes on the 15th…drop your insurance completely, and save the cash you would use on it under your mattress in case you need it to start the parade, and siphon off the rest for a nice, shiny whatever…
Since the IRS can't grab your stuff to enforce this, and you write a check to pay your taxes, you don't have a refund to seize…
You get real sick, pick the insurance companies that back Obama in this nonsense, drop the bucks on them from the stash you have to start the policy, and ride them to wellness…and drop them the second you're better…of course, you're going to make sure you have the tax deduction for that insurance put down every year you need it…
Lather, rinse, repeat as necessary…
Thanks, anon…!!
I can sure find uses for those bucks for my family's needs, and bleed dry any Statist Prog Lib Dimocrat insurance business to prevent them supporting Lefty candidates, eff the IRS and the Nanny Government a bit, and do ALL of it at the same time…
Its BLOODY BRILLIANT…!!
You nailed it — we are living under Dhimmitude already and don't even know it.
We are living under censorship of anything critical of Islam and certainly any criticism of Muhammad under threat of violence and death. Example, South Park censorship, censorship of Franklin Graham prayer, and terrorist bombers being treated as victims instead of terrorists by the government and the media. .
I knew the exclusion in the health care bill included Amish, and also heard it included muslims, but have not seen it proven in the language of the bill but believe it is in there and it is true. Good point. Another reason to consider this administration and the MSM treasonous.
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by having all ten of your fingers!
perfect . I will spread the term.
"As far as the GOP offering no solutions, they offered plenty during the rush to pass the idiocy of Obamacare – every one of which was shot down"
I'll bite. Let's see them. And a link.
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