Unconstitutional Procedure Being Used to Pass Unconstitutional ObamaCare
by Brian DarlingHouse leaders are preparing to ram through ObamaCare this week without a vote. Not only is the legislation unconstitutional, but the process being used to pass it is unconstitutional. The House is preparing a rule that would consider the Senate-passed version of ObamaCare passed in the House even though members would never directly vote on it. That would violate Article 1, Section 7 of the U.S. Constitution.

Here is how the trick would work: In the House, the Rules Committee sets up the parameters for debate on legislation. House leaders are considering a complicated rule that would be structured so that a vote on the rule setting down the structure for the ObamaCare debate would allow the Senate’s version of health care reform to pass without a vote. First, there would be a vote on a rule. If the rule is passed by the House, then the House would vote on a health care budget reconciliation measure that is an amendment to the Senate passed ObamaCare bill. If that reconciliation measure passes, then reconciliation goes to the Senate and the ObamaCare legislation is deemed passed without a direct vote. The plan for the legislation is unclear. House leadership will either structure the rule to either immediately present ObamaCare to the President for his signature or they will hold the bill and deliver it only if the Senate passes a health care reconciliation measure. Either way, the Constitution and the American people are the losers.
Understand that this procedure is drafted in a way so your average American can’t understand it. The simple way to understand the situation is that the House is trying to pass a bill without a vote.
The Constitution states that the House and Senate are supposed to pass identical versions of a bill before the President can sign it into law. One of the reasons for this tricky procedure is to provide cover for moderate Democrats who don’t want to vote for the Senate-passed ObamaCare bill because it includes the federal funding of abortion.
Michael McConnell, Professor and Director of the Constitutional Law Center at Stanford Law School, explains it this way at the Wall Street Journal today:
Democratic congressional leaders have floated a plan to enact health-care reform by a procedure dubbed “the Slaughter solution.” It is named not for the political carnage that it might inflict on their members, but for Rep. Louise Slaughter (D., N.Y.), chair of the powerful House Rules Committee, who proposed it. Under her proposal, Democrats would pass a rule that deems the Senate’s health-care bill to have passed the House, without the House actually voting on the bill. This would enable Congress to vote on legislation that fixes flaws in the Senate health-care bill without facing a Senate filibuster, and without requiring House members to vote in favor of a Senate bill that is now politically toxic.
McConnell is right. The Constitution says that:
Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States; If he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his Objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the Objections at large on their Journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such Reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the Bill, it shall be sent, together with the Objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a Law.
If a branch does not vote on a bill, then that bill did not pass. This proposed procedure seems to be a clear violation of the letter and spirit of the Constitution. There will be debate on the proper remedy for this constitutional affront, but all can agree that, at a minimum, House members can raise a constitutional point of order against the rule.
Liberals in the House understand that this process is hard to defend. Chris Frates at Politico writes about a leaked memo drafted by Assistant to the Speaker Chris Van Hollen (D-MD) intended to provide talking points to Democrat members when challenged on the unconstitutional process.
The Van Hollen memo also advised members to avoid talking about the process. “At this point, we have to just rip the band-aid off and have a vote — up or down; yes or no? Things like reconciliation and what the rules committee does is INSIDE BASEBALL,” the memo says. “People who try and start arguments about process on this are almost always against the actual policy substance too, often times for purely political reasons.”
Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and the House Rules Committee have come up with a very complicated procedure to get ObamaCare to the President’s desk without House members having to vote directly on the bill. This procedure is going to be debated extensively this week and may be the key issue as to whether President Obama signs legislation to provide a de facto government-run health care system.






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Any member of Congress voting on any measure and/or law in the proposed Slaughter rule should be brought up on charges of treason after voluntarily taking the Oath of Office.
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.
Terrifying.
If this happens this way, time to revolt.
Why aren't there already charges of TREASON being filed and Congresspeople and Senators being ARRESTED?
(Yeah, yeah, yeah – I know that will NEVER happen with Holder there. Is it going to take CITIZENS to go there and uphold the Constitution?)
They've ignored the Constitution for years. They are just getting more brazen about it these days, that's all. And with the courts stacked, whatcha gonna do about it?
More skullduggery and shenanigans. This could be considered as treason since it is a complete violation of the Constitution and the Founders intent. We know what the penalty for treason is, don't we folks?
This is treasonous. Pelosi and Slaughter don’t deserve to be voted out of office. They deserve the ire of a Federal jury. Is there a district attorney anywhere with the balls to bring a charge of treason?
Hope and Change. i woke up one day and we had changed into a Banana Republic – although the bananas are on back order from China. Obama, Gibbs and the other A$$ clowns in this White House got one thing right: elections do matter. People need to wake up. No more demogogues.
Once this is a done deal (if that happens that is) there simply won't be a Constitution, they will have completely shredded it. It will take years to undo it if we can take the progressive/marxists/libtards out in 2010/2012. If your State isn't in the 37 bringing forth legislation to nullify this unconstitutional bill get with it and demand they pass it now!!! It may be your last chance to save your freedoms and the United States and the republic!
This is why he will be a one term President. He does not respect us, the people of this country, or listen. It is power over anything, and everything which is causing his swift demise. This truly will be his Waterloo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=MddREczVeL4
Poster parody: The Slaughter-Rule Massacre http://optoons.blogspot.com/2010/03/slaughter-rul...
Treason is past tense for Pelosi and Slaughter:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/dubo...
Pelosi and Slaughter visited Syria and Turkey in order to cause trouble so Americans in Iraq would die and lose.
This is of course speculation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Pelosi#2007_tr...
But it seems pretty clear that if she's shredding the constitution now, she may have actually been treasonous then as well.
http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=612
This is a terrifying new step in the wrong direction. Whether you support the bill or not, you should understand the will of the people of Massachusettes to see this thing filibustered. And Obama has constitutional options he has not exhausted to push this thing through, such as forcing Republicans to actually talk for many hours on the floor.
Yet for Obama and Pelosi to turn to breaking the constitution must mean they dislike the constiution. They need merely change the bill sufficiently that it pays for itself really, or has real tort reform and multi-state insurance laws (firmly within Congress's constitutional jurisdiction to make these reforms.)
This isn't an accident – they wish to break the constitution. Whether the bill passes or not they have a chance of doing so. Time for impeachment – first of the congressmen who voted for this, then impeachment of the executives pushing for this, and finally the judges who were requiring laws to support it.
The courts are stacked. If this goes down this way, the Republic is dead. America becomes a Democracy, not a Republic. Democracies ALWAYS beget tyranny. We are losing the great American experience. Must we overthrow the treasonous takers of Liberty as it is our duty to do? That could get very ugly.
Watching the progressives dig their own graves is a joy to behold. But will the EPA disallow their burial in those holes come November without a toxic waste permit? Solution: Dig an extra hole for the EPA, OSHA, NEA, IRS, DNC, RNC, HHS, DHS, Fannie, Freddie, USPS, AMTRAK, FCC, NRLB, FED, Lobbies, and all the rest of the unconstitutional alphabet soup.
I hate to admit it, but I don't see another option. We can vote out Dems only to watch Progressive Republicans ignore the Constitution to form THEIR verions of big government.
Lawyers in most states take an oath to support the Constitution of the United States. It is generally the rule that a lawyer is subject to his oath and the ethics of his profession at all times and places, not just with regard to his practice. Just ask John Yoo! Any lawyer member of the Congress who participates in this bald-faced lie ought to be subject to an ethics investigation by the bar disciplinary authorities of the state of his or her admission to practice. Generally, a bar ethics complaint can be initiated by any person with knowledge of a violation. One "novel theory" deserves another. Call or write your state bar disciplinary authorities when the axe has fallen.
You know, watching the actions of the so-called "Progressives" over the last year and a half, one would almost come to the conclusion that they're actually trying to stir up revolt… like.. REAL revolt.
Can one place a member of Congress under 'citizen's arrest'? Probably not but if someone did it, I bet it would make headlines.
He is only counting on one term. Healthcare is the equivalent of Hitler's "Enabling Act" The Constitution will be shredded and Obamachavez will install himself as permanent dictator of the United States.
If they really try this,
if even this rule passes,
then the time for elections is over.
Grab your pitchforks and torches and head for DC.
Now THIS is what I call a "jobs" bill! That's a lot of diggin. Can we tack on an amendment prohibiting the use of Union labor?
This is the reason why Treason is so hard to charge.
From Article 3 Section 3 of the U.S Constitution
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.
The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted.
Its time to get out in front of this thing-
Contact your State Leg-
Start petitions at the state level to overturn this bill or exempt your state from it all togather.
if 2/3 of states come out against a bill, they can kill it.
Bypassing the Constitution is levying war against the US of A.
Does anybody here really think any of these idiots give a damn about the Constitution, law or honor? They are pigs stealing the product of our productive labor so they can reward their "supporters". Maybe 10% of Congress is NOT corrupt? The Federal Government was designed to be LIMITED to avoid the very mess we are in. We are supposed to be Free! Take it back!
I wonder if they will try to pass the Card-Check issue using this same method.
Ironic to ban secret ballots to help unions with a secret ballot from our congress.
All these people should go straight to prison.
Hey its the left, would you expect ANYTHING else???
Right on!
I agree with you completely. But as we have seen progressives attack the definition of words. So in this case, they would say this is not war as in the traditional sense. They are using lawfare to achieve the same means.
"…should be brought up on charges…"
The problem here is the people charged with that duty are as derelict as the ones they need to arrest. How do we correct that problem?
These bastards are about to jump the shark!
It is now becoming clear that waiting to vote these fools out is no longer a sufficient remedy.
If there is anybody out there that still believes anything this man says, I have some swamp land in Arizona, I would like to sell too you.
I don't know why everyone is so shocked by this. Rules never have mattered to subversives. Rules are for the law abiding little people, or in old language…PEASANTS!
It is long past time for the tar and feathers.
I hate this bill, but if it does pass, I hope it passes in the most illegal, partisan way possible to ensure that it is repealed as quickly as possible through constitutional challenges. Then anyone who votes for it should be impeached for failing to protect and defend the Constitution.
I smell treason and we should treat it as treason. We need to change gears and get into Eisenhower mode. He knew and understood the enemy. It's time to get rid of these scum.
Nice start to the week. The crazies are out. And it's only Monday.
Treason? Too damn funny. Obama ran on reforming our health care system and WON IN A LANDSLIDE. And 60 Senators voted to pass the bill. It's over. You guys lost. Now get off your asses and get to work. You'd be surprised how well you can do if you quit your whining and do something constructive.
God you people are stupid.
When the people are in trouble we can always rely on the Marine Corps to defend us!
Thank You for your service Marine!
Until November! If they do this, there will be a slaughter in the coming election…..
This is not merely Treason, but Conspiracy to Commit Treason as well! Many heads should roll, beginning with Slaughter's. Anyone who involves themselves in this process is complicit. America is "keeping score", and we will not forget any of this.
"If there is anybody out there that still believes anything this man says"
I believe him. Obama campaigned that he was going to reform our health care system. And won in a landslide. And health care reform is about to be passed. What's so hard to understand about that?
God you people are stupid.
Honor, the constitution and laws…
NOPE!
If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains set lightly upon you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
– Samuel Adams
BlueDog, BuhBuhBye!
May God have mercy on they're souls. Because I sure as hell won't.
By the way, is the death penalty still the punishment for treason? Or have the libo-progressives butchered that too?
Is that why you have to keep repeating the SAME thing over and over – so you'll eventually believe it yourself?
Got you're Stupid anon.
Wouldnt the bill then be struck down as unconstitutional once it was challenged in courts??????
PLease someone tell me yes……………this insanity has to stop
House rules or Senate rules cannot change the Constitution. An Amendment is required.
There are plenty of Americans that WILL fight to defend the Constitution, at the polls, in Congress, and in the streets.
I'm currently listening to Senator Chris Dodd give his schpiel on TV.
I was hoping to get a tip on where to find a favorable mortgage. You know, the kind like he got, and nobody else was privy to?
Somehow, his words ring hollow.
What a piece of feces.
It's too late to even trust the Courts. They also have been hi-jacked by the Libs/Communists. We already have FOUR on the Supreme court that vote against the Constitution every time they can, like the 4 that voted AGAINST the 2nd Amendment – if they REALLY upheld their oath it would've been 9-0 instead of 5-4.
House Budget Committee to start the unconstitutional ObamaCare process later this afternoon. Will they really try to pass ObamaCare in the House without a direct vote? We will know soon. Budget Committee marks up today and Rules Committee meets later this week.
Why stop there?
Change the rules so any bill favored by the leadership is automatically deemed to have passed. And then change the rules so the treasury is deemed to have billions of dollars more than it has (oh, I guess they already did that).
Article V of the US Constitution:
2/3 of states shall convention for proposing amendments-
3/4 of states to pass amendments.
paraphrased of course.
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constit...
Article 1, Section 7 also states: "But in all such Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by Yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the Bill shall be entered on the Journal of each House respectively. If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall …. wonder how the Dems plan to get out of a mandatory recording of the votes and each bill has to be voted on….NOV 10 – Independance Day
so what prevents this type of action from becoming the norm? does the house now cease to exist? this sleazy charade will be nothing more than a waste of time and money as well, currency that could've actually been spent working out a plan.
Obama=COLOSSAL FAILURE
can someone please do a remake of "bad idea" jeans with an Obama theme please.
I hope the guys at Eighth and "I" are ready…this thing just might happen that way…
Landslide? It was 52%-48%. For a landslide, please see Reagan, Ronald
This man is taking this country to a very bad place. So, Anon when the time comes, with these destructive polices, where will you be? I bet you have a bomb shelter. I also, bet you will not mind at all.
Workable solution…
Set the gallows up right there at the Capitol steps…and C-SPAN it…
That is BRILLIANT…!
A +1 for you…!
The majority of all branches of the service know what an illegal order is and if they try to use the military in any unconstitutional way they will stop them.
The BO admin is relying solely on the chain of command not the men and women who serve to undo the constitution, he might want to think again if he goes there.
This is a disgrace to our country and to all those who have served and died to protect the freedoms that our Constitution provides.
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We have to take up the challenge and get some TRUE representation in our government. Representatives who vote according to the will of their constitutents.
It is up to US.
Is it time to storm the Bastille yet?
Ergo, the debate as to whether this is really a "war" we're fighting right now…
Perhaps the simple exercise of trying them for treason would be useful…
As for me, I would rather have the concession of "pre-stretched rope" sales…
Makes about as much sense as the one they're trying to come up with now…
Ewwwww….TROLL!!!
Hit it with a Constitution….!!!!!
God troll…is stupid…
Infinite law can not be broken, in the infinite. Those who seek to break it here, do so at their own peril. Life is infinite, & it's law can yield to no living thing.
Gallows on the Capitol Building steps.
"unconstitutional" is a hackneyed word. It doesn't mean much anymore. It's like "unhappy" or "unusual" there's just not much oomph behind it. I would recommend the term anti-constitutional, because it is more descriptive. The prefix "un" probably means "not" whereas the prefix "anti" actually means "against." With the specific process for the creation of law clearly enumerated in the Constitution, it is incomplete to consider this Slaughter rule "unconstitutional." The Constitution is absolutely clear on this issue, and leaves nearly no room to interpret this otherwise. A perversion or violation of this part of the Constitution is clearly ANTI Constitutional. Let's be descriptive.
Spoken like a true democrat. You just can't resist stooping to call names, can you?
Don't you get it? This isn't healthcare reform, it is INSURANCE REFORM. Big difference, Mr. Intelligent.
Try to keep up.
The Senate passing the bill doesn't make it law.
The House NOT voting on a bill, but the Dem's "saying" it passed and becomes law is the Communist part.
Again, god anon is Stupid.
Don't feed the troll, folks.
Hey, I'm stuck here at work for four more hours, I need something to make me laugh and the more he posts, the MORE I laugh!
They should be censured for even bringing it up and even considering it. This is treason.
This is why we take an oath to the constitution, not a king or president.
And is where to rest the Constitutionality challenge…
So, let's take a poll…how many people here think the ACLU will take up this issue of abject unconstitutionality…??
Hands…??
Subliminal mutters under earshot…??
Crickets…??
Yeah…me, too…
Obama sees the Constitution as an obstacle to thwart, not the law of the land.
Obama sided with a dictator in Honduras over their Constitutional Republic, so this does not surprise me. We are ready.
You're right. It is a conspiracy and they're all involved. It's a coup circumventing the Constitution and how the Latin dictators start out. Then they stack the deck and then change the term limits so they can run for life.
The health care bill will supply ammo for them to stack the deck for future elections.
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Same thing I thought. If they use this once they will try to use it for everything the can't get the votes for. How about presidential term limits so Bama can run for life?
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Linked to your post from Harry Reid and his oath to protect the Constitution Reid is building a preponderance of constitutional challenges to his senate bill.
This will find it way into the exhibits about Harry Reid being created here: http://www.at-the-water-cooler.com/WeThePeople/Ne...
He's just like Dewey from "Malcom in the Middle"…
"ABCD…ABCD…ABCD…ABCD…ABCD…ABCD…ABCD…ABCD…ABCD…ABCD…ABCD…ABCD…ABCD…ABCD…ABCD…ABCD…ABCD…ABCD…ABCD…ABCD…ABCD…ABCD…ABCD…ABCD…ABCD…ABCD…ABCD…ABCD…ABCD…ABCD…ABCD…ABCD…ABCD…ABCD…ABCD…ABCD…ABCD…ABCD…ABCD…ABCD…ABCD…ABCD…ABCD…ABCD…ABCD…ABCD…ABCD…ABCD…ABCD…ABCD…ABCD…ABCD…ABCD…ABCD…ABCD…ABCD…ABCD…ABCD…ABCD…ABCD…ABCD…ABCD..ABCD…ABCD…ABCD…."
You get the idea…
They obviously don't get it. When they start making up their own rules, then it seems obvious to me that the time has come to make up some rules of our own. They won't like ours any more than we do theirs.
so that means john mccain, jim demint, orrin hatch and the majority of people in congress should be charged with treason????
yeah if trying to save 30 million amreican lives we should revolt????
Yup, you are exactly right. (Bet you didn't think we'd ever agree to that did ya? A traitor is a traitor is a traitor – no matter WHAT party they have behind their name.)
But ours will be a little more permanent than words on paper are………..
He's never heard of Article 1, Section 7 of the United States Constitution…all of that, "But in all such Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by Yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the Bill shall be entered on the Journal of each House respectively…" loosens his bladder…
God troll…has Constitutional issues…
If we break the law, we suffer the consequences. If government breaks the law, there is no law.
I'm sorry, everyone tries to tell me how bright the Obama is…and a smart person wouldn't be trying this…
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For funny insight on ObamaCare.
You guys are both idiots. How dare you compare anything that's currently happening to Hitler's Germany? You obviously have no sense of world history.
And that a president doesn't have to be confined to a single term based on "respecting the people of his country" has been proven by George W. Bush, don't you think? I don't agree with everything Obama is doing, but I've never been disrespected by a president as much as I was during the 2000-2008 years.
The constitution does not matter to this administration, they have already said it's an outdated document. We need to get back to the values of the Constitution. All the current administration, congress, house and the President want is for use to follow them like lemmings going over a cliff and mindlessly support them without question. They only care about their legacy, they really don't care about us at all, if they did this bill would not pass. They want to ram this down our throats when the majority of the American People DO NOT want this. Well in Nov 2010 I'll be using my constitution rights and vote these people out. They only will have themselves to blame because in my opinion what goes around comes around.
Can not agree more. well said and very presise
A quote from Sir John Harrington, 1561-1612: READ IT!
"Treason doth never prosper, what's the reason?
For if it prosper, none dare call it treason."
We are at the threshold of this very thing. Time is running out!!
they're liable to tack some of the stuff they know we're against onto this very bill,
rather than risk going through the process again.
So you believe all the lies being fed to you by the alphabet networks, huh?
And see, there's all this stuff that happened in Germany BEFORE Hitler started WWII. But see, you clearly haven't learned any of that. Maybe you should find out what was happening in Germany in the 1920's and 1930's that BROUGHT about the reign of Hitler – then you might want to come back and change your comments.
But then, we won't hold our breath on that.
I agree with the other posts.
Any House Members who vote in favor of the Slaughter Rule should be physically marched out of office and the locks changed. They should lose all income, all of their special non-Social Security retirement and take only Social Security, be stripped of their government Health Care benefits and made to live under the same rules we live under, and BANNED from any business as lobbyists or any contact with Washington D.C.
Either that or charge them with treason and lock them up for a good long time.
AND THEN – pass a universal law that makes all Congress, Administration, Justice, and federal employees to live at the same standard they inflict on us. It's time for the People to take back the government.
Obviously you are the one with no sense of world history.
If Obama signs into law a bill that has provisions known to be unconstitutional (he claims to be a Constitutional law expert), is that not a breech of the oath of office?
BINGO!!! …..BR……….been sayin it,…….we may have to pack up , head to DC,
& camp out for the rest of the year.
So enlighten us then.
There is a whole bunch of problems here … you can not 'reconcile' a bill that is not voted upon as it is not a bill, it is just a resolution ….. neither can the president sign it, since identical 'bills' have not been voted upon and passed by both chambers. To sign a resolution (having not been properly voted upon and passed) would be a violation of the house members, then to vote upon a reconciliation bill without a passed Bil would be a violation of the Senators, and for the President to sign one resolution and one bill as a 'bill' would be a violation of all those who signed them as to their constitutional duties …. and oath of office … it is in a word a " goat-grope."
Don't forget ACORN and SEIU
Let me know how big of a kettle to bring and I'll spring for a few bags of feathers as well
Remember the interview where 0bozo talked about the "Bill of Rights" being a negative charter. Well in that same interview he said, "The fundamental flaw with America IS its Constitution." Surprise Surprise. There is NO doubt that 0bozo has contempt for our Constitution. And just like the typical demonrat who doesn't say what he means or means what he says, 0bozo's oath to uphold the Constution was just a dog and pony show.
Maybe if you stop calling people 'stupid' we might take you seriously. Then again, maybe not…
Not you Dave. I was speaking to Chris.
It's time for all of us to use every opportunity to pressure not only the Congressman or woman,
but their constituents. If you do business with or know folks from Slaughters' district you should
inform yourselves & make sure they understand we don't appreciate their continuing to send
folks of her ilk to DC.
OK well having grown up in Germany and being taught German history every year in school I clearly have no sense of what happened. I'm sure you guys all do. Germany was in a COMPLETELY different situation to start than the US is in today, even before Hitler came into the picture.
And no, I do not believe the "alphabet networks", haha… I'm sure FOX is the one that speaks THE TRUTH at all times. I just wish people on BOTH sides of the spectrum would realize how petty they all are – do you guys ever listen to yourself? (and by the way, this goes for the left-winged people, too…). We have a Democrat in the white house – all of the Republican whiners are crying. We have a Republican in the white house – all the Democrats are crying. All you guys are losers.
By the way, I'm finished reading the comments on this blog now, and before I give up hope on all Amercians because of reading this page, I shall leave, so don't expect me to answer. Have fun ripping on this post, and when you're done, get a life.
To Anon: Landslide? A seven percent win hardly qualifies as a landslide.
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And since you STILL show NO proof of your knowledge of History, we are suppose to just "believe" that "because" you went to German Schools, YOU are right and WE are all wrong?
FACTS prove us wrong – not telling us you went to German Schools.
And you seemed to miss all the posts of us here hammering Republicans when THEY were overspending and passing bailouts – but then that would destroy your own argument so you skip it. You fall into the false notion that because we're against what the Dem's are doing now – we were "for" what the Repubs were doing before. As I say to all of your Trolls – we CAN actually be against BOTH! GASP!! So please run away!!
And sorry Len – the indents on the replies don't always come thru properly on the refresh.
i'm in
The liberals/progressives/soviets may control all branches of government, but how can there be ZERO recourse available to stop a blatantly unconstitutional bill? They have shredded the constitution, they have made up rules as they have gone along. Are the Republicans going to go to the wall on this? Lawsuits and endless procedural obstacles? They damn better stop this. If they can’t, I have no use for the Republican Party.
If Obama signs any legislation that is knowingly unConstitutional, then he also will have broken his pledge. Nixon was forced to resign for a lot less.
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As defined by the Constitution under Articles of Impeachment offenses warranting impeachment include the following:
treason, BRIBERY (empahsis mine) or other High Crimes or Misdemeanors.
Jefferson's manual states that impeachment is set in motion by charges made on the floor of the House (and other things). It further states that a proposition to impeach is a question of High Privilege in the House and at once supercedes business otherwise in order.
Anyone live in Joe Wilson's district?
Sorry but it is a landslide,…..SLIDING right into the minus column though.
They didn't stop anything (i.e., Fannie and Freddie) when they were in control,…….. 2000-2006.
The House Budget Committee voted 21-16 to report a reconcilation measure. Next step – Rules Committee.
No. The Supreme Court cannot strike down a bill for how it was passed. Nor can it strike down an entire bill if any part of it is Constitutional. The best the Supreme Court can do is strke down those parts that are un-Consitutional.
Maybe you should go back and check on WHO stopped them from reigning in Fannie and Freddie.
Please go check.
(Although we won't wait for your reply when you find out…)
Do you want to buy some swamp land in Arizona, I have it for a great price. It will be cheaper then the health care you want. Let me know how much you are willing to spend.
SEDITION will be the charge against the Dem's. Your state AG will do the filing for that particular Congressman or Senator.
Have you ever been to the Post office during the day? That will be what you will get, and I wish that upon you Anon.
"You'd be surprised how well you can do if you quit your whining and do something constructive."
Like spending all your time on this web site, writing repetitive drivel and ending it with the same lame catchphrase over…and over…and over again?
Hey, we can still kill people by firing squad for treason. Now who's got some spare 7.62's?
Are you sure, because from all the study of History and the Constitution I've done, THIS particular idiotic attempt on getting this mess through has NEVER been done before. Never have I read ANYWHERE in our History that the House "deemed" a bill passed WITHOUT having an actual VOTE on it – even if it's an attempt at a voice vote. They've tried to lock out members and/or hurry votes to get a "majority of those present" before, but NOTHING like this.
This is completely different than Congressman changing their votes for bride, and all those other shenanigans.
That's actually a pretty good idea. Boycott businesses from those districts. Hit them where it gets their attention! Punish them financially for what they've inflicted on us. I like it a LOT! Maybe the assholes will think twice before they walk into the voting booth next time!
With Pee-lousy et al inventing new parliamentary obfuscations by the hour, why bother to have a Congress at all if there's not going to be accountability for one's vote? Without accountability, what are they doing there, and why should we spend money for the place?
I'd imagine much the same thought has occurred to more than a few of the four dozen Democrats now representing districts that voted for McCain in 2008 and Bush in 2004. The imminent prospect of getting fired has a wonderful way of concentrating the mind on essential matters.
If this travesty is allowed to proceed as Pee-lousy envisions, we might as well get it over with and proceed directly to the dictatorship of King Narcissus I, Calmer Of The Oceans, Cooler Of The Planet's Fevered Brow, And He Who Will Lead Them Unto The Promised Land Of Milk, Honey… And Socialism.
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I guess I was naive, but I'm just now realizing that our system of government is incapable of stopping this kind of blatent corruption when one party is in power. This is all truly frightening. But I wonder how many people are really capable and willing to do what it takes to save our country. Not many I think…unfortunately. Its a different world than when our forefathers were doing what it takes.
It takes one person to set this in
motion. We can stop it people, are we not the UNITED States of America! Lets stand UNITED
then and stamp another one out of office. We have rights as people of this great nation,
it's just most people dont know what they are, because of one reason or another. I myself am
sad I didn't pay more attention to this stuff in school. Now look at it, I am one of many
that made the same mistake, now we are being tested on what we know. But now there is too
much to do on top of trying to learn this stuff again… Pay more attention to our
surroundings folks, including our, Lives, Families, Communities, Cities, Counties, States,
and Nation.
We can better guard ourselves from this action later on when it's ugly head pops
up again and trys us. I pray we can all take some time to bring this stuff into our lives
and be a unified people once again. They want us to fight them, that would make things even
better for them. We have to fight yes, but not military style. Politiacal style. We need
people that know our rights to stand up for whats right, and the rest of us follow them.
Hold your head up folks it's going to get even bumpier if this is passed. We are going to
repeat history again folks, it's all over the Book of Mormon and Bible, it's just this one
wont be the happy part…
The Dummycrats are resorting to the "simple majority" ploy in ramming this 2000+ single-ply bill down our throats. IF they succeed in usurping the will of the people with the passage and implementation of this Constitution raper, then a remedy is very simple. I'm no lawyer, but I don't see why We the People can't file a class-action lawsuit to prevent this abuse of power from occurring, and to provide an injunction in the meantime to stop this garbage in it's tracks.
Surely this is doable? Because the only use I have for this toilet paper bill is when I'm going number two.
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Thank you Missy8s and to all my brothers and sisters out there, Semper Fidelis!!!
How soon will Obama enact "emergency powers"???
A soft slap on the wrist???
If the House shall deem the legislation to have passed, perhaps We the People shall deem them guilty of treason with the resultant consequences.
I hereby pass a rule deeming the democrat leadership of the house of representatives exiled.
After this "slaughter" attempt fails:
"Uh…. well, we, uh, got a new rule to pass healthcare. It's called the Mario Brothers Rule. It's kinda like when one bill gets taken out by a flying turtle shell veto in Congress, it only loses half its power and still trudges on. Sometimes it gets power-ups like profligate spending and a gold star for ruining everyone under the age of 40. We chose this title because trying to get this bill passed is like trying to get through the toughest level on Mario Brothers, uh, so…. yeah. We have a Mortal Kombat Rule up our sleeves so don't mess with this, uh, current one."
They aren't trying to "save" anyone but their slimy union pals, not Americans…
Hahahahhahahaha
Communist much?
IF THEY DO, THE FOLLOWING MOMENT, THE SUPREME COURT SHOULD ORDER MARSHALS TO ARREST THEM ALL, the ones who voted for it, THEY ARE ALL IN VIOLATION OF THEIR OATH!!! There are only 216 +- of them and 60 more if you want to count them too, plus ONE, if he signs it!!! To arrest that many at one time in the population is not unheard of, 74% (If not more) (26% disapproval rating of Congress) of their Jury would convict them!!! Touch your body see if you feel the touch (You will, unless medically unable), Touch someone else' body and see if you feel it, you shouldn't (Unless they touch you back (PHYSICALLY))…IT IS NOT YOURS TO TOUCH WITHOUT PERMISSION, NEITHER IS IT THE GOVERNMENTS RIGHT!!!!! They don't have my permission to touch my body or the being that dwells within it (Me)!!!! GET YOUR GRUBBY HANDS OFF MY BODY!!!!!!!!!
I believe the tar-n-feather rule supersedes waiting for the AG.
So telling you to get off your asses and get to work is communist?
God you people are stupid.
They believe if they can complicate the rules enough, no one will be able sort it out, that is the maze of confusion they depend upon, to validate their conclusions (Deception….101)!!! It is a mighty god they follow, the great Deceiver, the great (False) teacher of the world!!! Fable/Prophesy predicts he will appear in human form, when the time is right, he will be a man of the world and blaspheme the truth and those who support it!! He will attempt to bring all under his control, many candidates have come and gone….// One is to be!!
Lock and load people! Obama, Piglosi, and co. are asking for war. And they're gonna get it.
Watch this one…he likes to repeat things over and over again ad nauseum…whether pertinent or not…
He's more obsessive-compulsive than Communist…
Put him outside with streets full of parking meters…have him get busy counting them…
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I meant precedent. My computer always slows down on this site.
Why stop beating around the bush? Let's just rip up the Constitution and declare Obama Emperor. It's over folks. The USA is on the precipice of becoming a 3rd world country thanks to OJT-bama.
Good luck with all of that.
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Anon–I'm sure you want us to quit whining and get off our asses and go to work, solazy ass people like you will get your welfare checks and any other phoney program you are on. It's time your kind get off your ass and go to work and support the other deadbeats. Have a bad day.
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Time to turn those treasonous scoundrels into SOD's (sudden organ donors).
Wonder what the national guard will use against those pitchforks and torches?Maybe guns that are outlawed for our use…
Called my State Senator TODAY. Wanted to know if we were following suit with the
other 37. I keep putting this in my posts. Fight this with many phone calls. Now is the time.
They are attempting to break the Constitution in order to set a precedenct by which they can attempt to do the same with card check, Cap & Trade, amnesty for illegals and whatever else they want.
What constitutes a coup, is what we're watching unfold in the 3 branches of government right now. After losing to us militarily and economically, the socialists have taken power with lies and Hope and Change.
What's happening right now is a coup. After being defeated militarily and economically, the socialists have taken power in our country with an election and lies of Hope and Change.
I believe a firing squad would be fitting and we use guys with poor aim so they have to be shot more than once to die.
Do you understand what the Constitution is? Do you understand what the RULE OF LAW is? Do you understand what SOCIALISM is?
Do you understand you're a half brain nitwit? You have no effing clue what you're talking about. If you think this is "health care" reform, if you think there are 30 million dying out there without health care, you're as dense as they come.
It's not 30 million and stop with the idiotic melodrama. It's like 12 million who are CITIZENS who can't legitimately afford insurance. So you know what, why do you want to destroy everyone else's health care for 12 million? That could be done without wrecking the system.
You're just a typical liberal loser who can't take care of yourself.
Yes. REVOLT. You're the first one who should kicked the hell out of this country. We don't need sniveling loser libs like you.
As appealing as a Treason charge may seem levied against Congressional derelicts, it's not applicable. Constiuents desiring to remove their congressional members should pursue recall elections by which voters can remove an elected official from office through a direct vote, initiated when sufficient voters sign a petition. These petitions should begin now. The larger and longer lasting impact wil be realized by taking action against current Senators. With the House of Representatives being up for re-election each two years, the electorate will likely have the opportunity to vote the bums out before a recall election could be effected. ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES!
Here is the process………………….So simple, even a dim-0 can understand……….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEJL2Uuv-oQ
Talk the Talk, We the America people need to Walk the Talk. Over 50% of Americans know that our constitution has been violated time after time by our so called self serving leaders. This my friends is Treason. You hear them say , The (R) used this or the (D) used that to pass bills. We need to bring a class action law suit against them all for treason and have them all thrown in jail. I don't think enough Americans would have the ba*#'s to stand up really for our constitution.We'll all keep pi$$ing and moaning and they will keep passing one unconstitutional bill after another. We're all enslaved too the government now. They will continue to give the American people the middle finger and laugh all the way to the bank with our hard earned money………
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Call Congress, and let them hear your outrage now… 1-202-224-3121 Why we still have time.
There comes a time in every generation where the people must stand for the Republic. The last two generations seem to have taken a pass on their turns. That makes our job even more important lest we lose the Republic into the hands of power hungry despots. The constitution is not a "living, breathing document". It is the one document that should stand fast until we change it by rule of law. Contrary to popular opinion, the supreme court is not all that sharp. The Dred Scott decision should be all we need to know to be aware of the fallability of human's desire to manipulate humanity to serve their own designs, whether those designs are well intentioned or not.
I am sure that we are all familiar with Jefferson:
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
'Nuff said
Hey Jeffy,
Ever hear of the Constitution? Ever hear of the Rule of Law? Ever hear what a braindead loser you are?
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I am just waiting for an organized militia to make to make the call to arms and I am there!
How about an old fashioned tar and feather and then ride out of town on a rail? I'll bring the rails!
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