Historic PelosiCare Debate Starts Right Now
by Brian DarlingToday, a historic debate will commence on a bill that would impose big government health care on all Americans. Nobody knows if this bill is going to pass and many questions about the bill remain unanswered. All those who cherish the idea of limited government and a health care system driven by free market principles are hoping that good prevails over evil.
Yesterday, the House Rules Committee passed the rule to consider H.R. 3962 (PelosiCare), the Affordable Health Care for America Act, and this debate will be covered live on C-SPAN all day long. Today, the American people can watch the debate in the House of Representatives on legislation that would dramatically change the way health care services are delivered.
Who is the Next Marjorie Margolies-Mezvinsky?
The vote on final passage of the bill is going to be close and people looking to the 2010 congressional election cycle are going to watch this vote to see which Blue Dog Democrats, Democrats from conservative leaning districts, are going to be forced to Walk the Plank and vote for an unpopular bill. Dan Perrin of Red State has an excellent review of what happed to one term former Congresswoman Marjorie Margolies-Mezvinsky of Pennsylvania. Perrin wrote “we are reminded of the case of Marjorie Margolies-Mezvinsky (D-PA) who famously switched her vote to give then President Clinton his tax increase.” She lost her re-election the next year and became the poster child for the 1994 Republican sweep of Congress.
It is possible that a handful of Congressman from a conservative leaning district are considered the deciding votes to pass PelosiCare and that may cause them problems going into an election cycle that, if the Governor’s elections in NJ and VA are any indication, may be an uphill climb for many Democrats.
Mandates
The PelosiCare bill is very long and complicated. Congressional Quarterly (subscription required) reports that the bill’s coverage requirements include an individuals mandate requiring “nearly all individuals to obtain health care coverage, beginning in 2013.” Also, an employer mandate requiring “employers to offer their employees health care insurance, or make an insurance contribution on their behalf, starting in 2013.” A federal heath insurance exchange will be created and being operation in 2013 “that would allow individuals and small businesses to purchase health insurance from insurers participating in the exchange.” Many conservatives, and libertarians like Michael Cannon at CATO, object to the mandates, because they feel that mandating health insurance is a means to a government takeover of health care.
Public Option
The controversial public option is part of PelosiCare and “requires the establishment of a public health insurance option within the insurance exchange by 2013.” The federal government would “run the public option and negotiate with providers to determine rates.” The Heritage Foundation argues that the problems with a public option are that the “costs are hidden,” public provided health care offers “substandard care compared to private health insurance,” the government be unfairly setting up rules for competition between the government and private health insurance providers, and that “as many as 119 million Americans would no longer be in private coverage.”
The end goal of the public option for the left is a “the end goal is definitely a single-payer system. That’s why many supporters of a single-payer system, where the government runs the whole health system, are suddenly converts to choice and private competition as long as there is a public plan.” Don’t believe me and The Heritage Foundation? Just listen to Rep Jan Schakowsky (D-Il). Also, PelosiCare prevents insurance companies from denying or lowering coverage because of an individuals pre-existing condition starting in 2013.
Taxes
Taxes would be raised under PelosiCare. The bill imposes a 5.4 percent tax surcharge on individuals earning $500,000 or $1 million for married couples. This is scored by the Congressional Budget Office as a $461 billion in revenues to pay for the bill. There is a controversial 2.5% surcharge on medical devices that will be passed on to you, the consumer. Health Savings Accounts HSAs are under attack with discriminatory tax provisions intended on legislating HSAs out of existence. Ryan Ellis of Americans for Tax Reform has compiled a comprehensive list of all the tax increases in PelosiCare.
Cost
The Heritage Foundation estimates the cost of this bill, over the next 10 years, to be $1.5 trillion. The President promised that ObamaCare would not cost the American people more than $900 billion, yet the bill being considered in the House breaks yet another Obama promise. If you take the CBO price tag and add the so called Doc Fix bill, which changes the way doctors are reimbursed for Medicate payments and has been part of the Obamacare debate from the start, that adds another $245 billion over the next 10 years.
Donald Marron, former CBO director, estimated that there are $217 billion in additional spending ignored by CBO. Even if the bill cost under the arbitrary $900 billion limit requested by the President, that seems to be a $900 billion expansion of the federal government that we, as a nation, don’t need right now.
The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) scored this bill as a net savings of $129 billion over the next 10 years. Only in Washington, D.C. could a bill that expands government, raises taxes, creates numerous new federal programs and costs over one trillion dollars be considered legislation that saves taxpayer’s monies. Even if you accept the CBO’s numbers as true, you have some shocking numbers. There are $427 billion in promised cuts to programs and we are not clear who will be impacted by these massive cuts to programs that many are relying on for health care services. There are $594 in additional revenues, this means taxes and these monies will be coming out of other productive sectors of the economy.
Abortion
The abortion issue has become the most serious stumbling block for Pelosicare. Congressman Bart Stupak (D-MI), co-chairman of the House Pro-Life caucus has warned leaders that up to 40 democrats might vote against PelosiCare unless if stronger language is not added to the bill to prevent federal funding of insurance plans that cover abortion services. If these Pro-Life Democrats follow through with that threat, the bill will not pass.
Stupak has an Amendment that he wants to offer that would prevent insurance plans from getting federal monies to cover abortions. Supporters of PelosiCare argue that the bill does not require insurance plans to cover abortions, yet the plan would empower the Obama Administration to decide whether the government run public option would cover elective abortions. Is there any question that bureaucrats in the Obama Administration would support government funded abortions?
Congressman Brad Ellsworth (D-IN) has offered an amendment that no federal funding would be allowed for abortion services and all Americans would have access to at least one plan that does not cover abortions. The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops and the National Right to Life don’t think this is enough, but it will be interesting to see how the Democrats in the House Pro-Life Caucus vote on PelosiCare with the Ellsworth language added to the bill. Abortion could be the issue that takes down comprehensive health care reform in the end.
Immigration
The President promised that illegal immigrants would not be covered by the health care reform proposal. Joe Wilson (R-SC) disagreed. The immigration issue seems to be unresolved and an issue that will be hotly debated today.
The bottom line is that this debate will be played out over this important weekend in the fight against big government. Feel free to use this as an open thread during the debate and remember to watch these elite politicians as they attempt to seize control of private health care, raise your taxes and spend over a trillion of your dollars.
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To quote Mark Twain, "Nobody's rights are safe while congress is in session".
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Today, the future of our Republic hangs by a thread.
Will we take the final step into Socialism, or continue to remain a free Republic, a free people, a Nation of free men. Today, is the culmination of years of Progressive steps that have brought US to the brink of the abyss.
We are all watching very carefully and with great resolve…
While we wait, and on another topic, did you see that Obama is an overachiever? He took the unemployment rate from 8% to 17.5%, all in the course of ten months. What will it be three years from now, 55%? We will then be on a par with Palestine, or other third world sink holes.
may our fervent prayers of destroying this bill heard and granted. may god be with us…
Call them. Email them. Encourage friends and neighbors to call them. They pretend to ignore you but at some level they do not.
If they had the votes this would have happened already, do not let up the pressure.
LIeberman already promised to filibuster anything with a public option, so it would almost be better if they did pass it through the house because it'll make the 2010 bloodbath even worse.
Alot of the Democrats have unplugged their faxes. Faxes will not go through. That way, they can "say", "we weren't notified". It is a crooked scam.
They should be forced to read the bill on the floor prior to a vote – with the entirety broadcast on CSPAN.
God help us all today. Pelosi, Reid and Obama are bound a determined to turn us into a third world dictatorship.
And Obama will be only to happy to be our "Dear Leader", even though he is nothing but a puppet!
The vote to read the bill on the floor was done at 1:00 A.M. last night. It was voted down by the Democrat majority. Right now the Speaker is circumventing procedure to allow a stall by the Democrats and to shut out any Republican objection. There is nothing resembling the representation of the American people being played out on the Senate floor today.
This is revolting.
The Democrats on TV, lined up at the podium, commencing this nonsense looks like the Great American Freak Show. Something straight from the pages of Walt Disney, or a Looney Tunes Cartoon. THIS,is what WE have degenerated into? This, once the Greatest Nation the World has ever seen, hijacked by the Barney Franks, Nancy Pelosi's and Maxine Waters' of the gene pool? That pool needs some Chlorox to clean up the waters.
TURN ON C-SPAN NOW !!!! THIS IS GREAT BUT CRAPPY AT THE SAME TIME !!!!!! TURN IT ON!!!!
This morning, the U.S. House convenes to debate its health care legislation. Members will have four hours to debate the Democratic bill (H.R. 3962) and an hour for the GOP bill
http://WWW.C-SPAN.ORG OR ON CABLE – DIRECTV IS 350 !!!!
fight fight fight !!!!!!!
The right is trying but the left is moving on … this is great – I think the old guy with the gavel is going to have a heart attack !!!!
Aren't they a bunch of clowns?
I keep waiting for a little car to show up, with Nancey, Barney and the gand all piled in the back, and come jumping out like a bunch of drunken midgets.
"In God We Trust" above his head ….
Now they are talking about minorities NOT being covered !!! WTH !!!!
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Senile old bastards.
Oy! If she raises my taxes, I won't be able to afford to go to her restaurant in the Napa Valley at the "Oh Bears O Soul Yay" resort, or is it Auberge au Soleil? I can never remember that one. Nan or her main squeeze owns it. It's a cinch that a clueless taxer from the People's Republic of San Francisco who runs the House would be the owner of a Frenchy Restaurant in the Napa Valley – talk about being totally out of touch with the common clay!
"Paul Pelosi's holdings include a four-story commercial building on Belden Place in San Francisco, a retail and office building on Sir Francis Drake Boulevard in San Anselmo and an ownership stake in the Auberge du Soleil resort in Napa Valley valued at $1 million to $5 million. He also has millions of dollars of shares in publicly traded companies such as Microsoft, Amazon. com and AT&T." Much more about the limo-libs from Beijing East: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1809673/po...
half the women can't afford heathcare because the LEFT teaches them to have sex… to tell them you don;t need to be married, you give them condoms, you give them WIC… I can go on and on … These Dems are crazy !!!!
Yes isn't that transparent of the little jerks.
Call anyway.
Then call back with a follow up to make sure they got the wording correct.
Then contact them from a different route (email, www form whatever).
Did you know that Paul and Nancy Pelosi work illegal immigrants at Pelosi Vineyards? There are about 400 vineyards in Napa Valley. All but 4 are unionized. Two of the four non union ones, are owned by Pelosis.
Good gawd amighty, these minority buffons trying to speak, cannot even speak English.
Is there any way to take away Pelosi's power? She seems mentally unstable to me. Political Barbie past a prime she never had. (I really do dislike her. She gives me the creeps.)
Come on Republicians !!!! Stand up !!! Keep objecting !!!! Keep objecting …. Do you see when he keeps asking for unaminous consent the left keep crying – "woe is me"
Because babies froom single moms who got banged by a man who never cared about the kid….. – speak the truth lefties !!!!!
Wow – now not enough latinos covered !!!! Geez what happened to Americians !!!!
They are trying to get all this in the record !!!!! Twitter any Rebublician you know to stand up and FIGHT !!!!!
WIC is a good program. I was on it (and married) when my first child was born. I was 21 and making less than 10 dollars an hour. That being said, certain programs, such as WIC, need stricter limits on the time you can be on them. They should be a hand up not a hand out.
Also, those on such programs need to be in school or working with a quarterly submitted g.p.a. and attendance or an report of hours worked and wages earned.
I also feel that EVERY DIME that is handed out should be acccounted for. I know several people, unfortunately, who recieve food stamps only to turn around and sell them for 50 cents on the dollar. Sickening. And, I learned, unreportable.
Once again, I went off on a tangent. Sorry!
Go Michelle !!!! See you oout front at 1PM !!!!!
Ok everyone, the Don't Tread on Me petition is back.
http://myfreepress.net/petitions/dont_tread_on_me...
If you already signed thank you for the support.
Can't anyone in a real position to put a stop to these "drunken lemurs" (a nod to Scott Adams) at the throttle of this runaway train do something before they legislate us into armed insurrection? Do they have a clue how seriously they are p***ing-off folks who actually work hard daily for their livings and whose discretionary incomes will vanish with the impending inflated tax burden?
Their hypocrisy is epic.
How come it is always the really rich libs who think it is OK to saddle up the rest of the population with lifetime tax loads and ride us till we drop dead?
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I'm willing to bet that if they screw up what is probably the most magnificent network of medical services the world has ever seen, that a large number of doctors are going to move their practices off-shore to Mexico, The Bahamas, and possibly even Canada to take advantage of that country's law that allows private clinics. Why not? They could live in what most may consider resorts, convince Americans desperate for rapid relief from what will likely be delayed treatment to hop on a plane. They can also avoid massive malpractice insurance premiums and possibly make far more than they can now. Hospitals may begin to flourish across the Caribbean or on cruise ships reconfigured so they can steam just off shore in international waters.
Does anyone know what this bill will do to wonderful hospitals like St. Judes or the Shriners' Hospitals?
We'll see more desperate people, robberies, shootings and huge lines at the food banks while the likes of Peelousy and her cohorts enjoy their fat bank accounts. Do you realize that in one year they have managed to undermine this country to the point that it's teetering like the twin towers on 9/11? Unbelievable.
Amen! It is time to put the nuclear family with responsible, hard-working parents trying to raise well-behaved, productive children back on center stage and do what is necessary to protect and sustain them.
Unmarried couples and single parents from Hollyweird have legitimized this abherrent behavior.
It's time we started calling them what they really are: Sluts, libertines, and bastards.
So turn on this crap and there is some jerk D from California talking about how her job is to go to Washington to "make our lives better". This is part of the problem, this is not the job of our government. This has nothing to do with what these people should be doing.
The some jerk R stands up and says 'the problem with the majority bill is that it will hurt the economy'. NO! NO NO NO NO NO!
That IS NOT the problem.
Where do these people come from?
Under this horrible bill, is the fact that graduate students will not even entertain going into the healthcare profession. Wages for healthcare professionals will have to be contained or cut-once you take the "free market" out of the equation. Everbody thinks/believes doctors make too much money. Do you want their educational costs/loans? Do you want to pay their malpractice insurance? On top of it all-they work weekends&holidays in which you (or some of you) would be beneath you. Catholic hospitals will LOCK their doors vs providing abortions on demand. All of this resulting less available healthcare professionals. Nursing ast's who do the hardest job-requiring continual repetitive lifting would be better off working in fast food. Less responsibility, less pay, less chance of a lifetime injury risk and the benefit of the publicoption if passed.
Please watch everyone !!! also on XM 132 – Watch some of these loons on both sides of the isles … they all need a pay cut !!!!
most would be FIRED if they were running a company …..
Logic tells me that any congress person who votes in favor of the Dem's unconstitutional HC "reform" bill is committing the act of treason. They are violating their oath of office which requires them to PROTECT the Constitution. The President as well if he has the opportunity to sign it.
Yes Mr Gingrey !!! "If the government loves it so much they need to sign up for it !!!!!"
HELL YES !!!!!!
Commie Peloser and her fellow travelers are on the march. Freedom is at stake.
The democrats are more interested in making history than in helping people. Nancy Pelosi is effin nuts.
yall just b quiet. hsssssh. I b msilin caus Obama goin get me heathcare and free medicins for my famile. and i b thankful my daughtrs get free abortins, caus we not redy for more familes or babes right now
Changes made last night – 300 pages @ 3AM last night added !!!!!! You Dems should be so proud !!!!
Yes; if the Blue Dogs lined up with the Reps en masse and voted no on this bill, it would almost certainly cost Pelosi her job. If it doesn't, every one of them signing onto a vote of no confidence in her (with the Reps) would definitely cost her.
I strongly urge everyone on here to contribute $9.12 to any and all democrats who vote "no" on this bill to let them know that we are watching them. In fact, I urge everyone on here to do that with any politician you support, at any level. (If you want to give more, give $91.20, or $912.) Send them a very strong message when they look at their donors!
3 years ago today, Democrats took control. Look where we are now. Thanks for that reminder, Pelosi.
She creeps me out too.
If you really want to know what it will cost, take the tenth year CBO cost and multiply by ten. It's not going to be that accurate, because the costs are still rising, but it will give you a baseline, about $3 trillion in new debt every ten years.
These Democrats are some seriously irresponsible commies.
"PROTECT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA" – Why is it so hard to understand ?
So freaking true !!!!!
Nancy Grace is beating CNN !!! OMG !!!! Look at the lower charts – all are falling but Fox !!!! America is waking up !!!
http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/11/06/oreilly-vs-o...
Every minute of the last ten months has been treason by the entire administration! WHY is this allowed to go on? Is anyone doing anything? The FBI? Our military? A class action lawsuit against the administration?! Aaarrrghh!! This whole thing is insane!!
Acid would be more effective….
The enemy within.
Cowboy, did you read Horowitz , Front Page Mag. this morn. "Our Brain Dead Country"?
First they came for the CEOs, and I did not speak out—because I was not a CEO;
Then they came for Rush Limbaugh, and I did not speak out—because I was not a dittohead;
Then they came for the FOX News, and I did not speak out—because I was not a journalist;
Then they came for the health-care, and I did not speak out—because I was not a doctor;
Then they came for the small businessman, and I did not speak out—because I was not a businessman;
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me.
-RichardNous
Unemployment now at 10.2% but we all know the real unemployment is probably more 15% or more.
OK so now what do we all do, simple HAMMER the shit out of your local senator and representative. call them daily/e-mail them daily,stop by their local offices and tell them what you want. DO NOT STOP,LET THEM KNOW THEIR PISS ANT JOBS ARE ON THE GOD DAMN LINE. if you can't support your country 20 minutes out of your day,tell that to some grunt in the middle east.
I think it's all the blown-up photos we continue to digest….or not digest as the case may be….That would give any sane man the heeby-jeebies…
YES WE CAN AND YES WE WILL FIGHT – I AM STOKING MAD IF THIS THING PASSES … WHO EVER VOTES FOR THIS HAS TO GO !!!!
WE HAVE TO FIGHT FOR WHAT IS RIGHT .. WE HAVE TO FIGHT FOR OUR CHILDREN!!! WE HAVE TO MERGE OUR RESOURCES AND TELL THEM THEY ARE DONE …. WELL DONE !!!
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Yea though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil…
I am watching CSPAN right now, it's pitiful. Oh Heavenly Father please stop these tyrants. Only YOU can prevail at this time.
The Dems are thugs and the Repubs are clueless. We need new blood in the Repub Party. Stat.
Good comments. In an hour we will know if ObamaCare takes one step closer to reality. My sources on the Hill are worried that the Stupak Amendment might buy enough votes for final passage. It is unclear to them if Stupak’s Amendment would hurt the bill on final passage, unless if this language causes mass defections by pro-choice Ds. We will know soon.
If this bill passes, there is always the Senate.
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