Hitler’s Other Little Helpers – IBM And GM/Opel
by Andrew MarcusLet’s give the Progressives a rest today. Judging by the 700+ comments on yesterday’s Big Government thread: Media Matters Attacks Beck – Ignores Progressive Roots Of The Klan And Holocaust, it looks like they could use a breather.
Today, we would like to focus on Hitler’s other little helpers: IBM and GM/Opel.
Edwin Black, who authored War Against The Weak, a forensic examination of the Progressive-Eugenic movement, also has written extensively on the role IBM played prior to and during the Nazi Holocaust. From the introduction of War Against The Weak.
From the IBM and the Holocaust website:
IBM and the Holocaust is the stunning story of IBM’s strategic alliance with Nazi Germany — beginning in 1933 in the first weeks that Hitler came to power and continuing well into World War II. As the Third Reich embarked upon its plan of conquest and genocide, IBM and its subsidiaries helped create enabling technologies, step-by-step, from the identification and cataloging programs of the 1930s to the selections of the 1940s.Only after Jews were identified — a massive and complex task that Hitler wanted done immediately — could they be targeted for efficient asset confiscation, ghettoization, deportation, enslaved labor, and, ultimately, annihilation. It was a cross-tabulation and organizational challenge so monumental, it called for a computer. Of course, in the 1930s no computer existed.
But IBM’s Hollerith punch card technology did exist. Aided by the company’s custom-designed and constantly updated Hollerith systems, Hitler was able to automate his persecution of the Jews. Historians have always been amazed at the speed and accuracy with which the Nazis were able to identify and locate European Jewry. Until now, the pieces of this puzzle have never been fully assembled. The fact is, IBM technology was used to organize nearly everything in Germany and then Nazi Europe, from the identification of the Jews in censuses, registrations, and ancestral tracing programs to the running of railroads and organizing of concentration camp slave labor.
IBM and its German subsidiary custom-designed complex solutions, one by one, anticipating the Reich’s needs. They did not merely sell the machines and walk away. Instead, IBM leased these machines for high fees and became the sole source of the billions of punch cards Hitler needed.
Mr. Black has also documented the role GM/Opel played in arming Hitler’s military. Below is a description of a series of articles he authored on the subject entitled GM and the Nazis:
In a four-part, 10,000 word, special investigative series, Edwin Black chronicles General Motors extensive relationship with Nazi Germany. GM’s Opel was the largest car and truck maker in the Third Reich. When Hitler came to power, his nation was still primarily a horse-drawn country. From the outset, GM consciously mass produced cars and truck for the German military, becoming a major and indispensable spear of Nazi rearmament. This included the Blitz truck which became the mainstay of the Blitzkrieg that conquered Europe. GM concealed its American control of Opel through special executives committees and board directorates. After the War, GM took all the profit, including that gained from slave labor. After a Congressional investigation, GM tried to obscure the facts and pressured Washington about a special report on the company’s activities. To this day, the company frustrates research efforts into its protracted and profitable involvement in Nazi genocide. The series, published in various sizes and edited formats, was based on Chapter 10 of Internal Combustion and additional new research.
In many ways, Hitler and his Reich reflected the very worst traits of humanity from across the spectrum of society.
For those of us that support free markets and capitalism, these cases of American corporate partnership with the Nazi regime represent the very worst of unchecked corporatism, interested only in profit, void of any moral boundary. It’s a disgrace.
These crimes should be acknowledged, and studied as examples of the worst case scenarios possible under Corporate Statism.
They should also stand as a testament to the horrors that can be inflicted when corporations are in bed with fascist-socialist states, void of any free market to speak of.
Every human enterprise is corruptible. Free market capitalism is obviously no exception. If, moving forward, we wish to avoid sacrificing our humanity again at the altar of profit, we would do well to learn from our past failures. It is not possible to learn without an honest examination of the facts.
Can we count on the Progressive movement to acknowledged their skeletons in this horrifying chapter of history? Perhaps they, too, could learn from their mistakes, no?
At the risk of sounding redundant…Every human enterprise is corruptible. Progressive-Socialism is obviously no exception. If, moving forward, we wish to avoid sacrificing our humanity again at the altar of Progressive-Socialism, we would do well to learn from our past failures. It is not possible to learn without an honest examination of the facts.
Given that all human enterprise is corruptible, just ask yourself with which system you would prefer to take your chances: Free Market Capitalism, or Progressive-Socialism?
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Well now, that's mighty cowardly. You call for progressives to take on an issue — and then, when you get some, pull back and declare that you're giving them "a rest."
I'm still waiting for someone in the "Hitler-was-a-leftist" crowd to explain exactly how it is that pretty much every diarist, letter-writer, journalist, commentator, etc. in the 1930s referred to the Nazis as being on the right side of the political spectrum. Was Luce's TIME MAGAZINE in on a dire conspiracy by progressives to falsely paint the Nazis as right wingers? Or maybe a bunch of rogue socialists have visited every American library with a periodical section and altered those bound copies of TIME from the 1930s.
Well, there's the old saying, no one ever lost his job recommending IBM. They might lose their lives, but not their jobs.
great article but will we learn?
This is mind-blowing that no historian has put the pieces of this puzzle together. So IBM had to KNOW of the REASON for the usage of the Hollerith card indices. My God….. This could unwind IBM and send its stock plummeting… Deserves much more research for accuracy, but…if true…..
And just think, FDR gave his blessing for IBM to do business with Hitler.
Who is the IBM for the Obama administration?????
Is there some doubt about Hitler and friends being socialists? How did the National Socialist Party get its name? The Nazis may not have been moral, but, they were not stupid. If you bother to read history you will learn that Benito Mussolini and Hitler were great friends, and that Mussollini invented Fascism, another variant of socialism. As a matter of fact, the biggest mass murders of the 20th century were socialists. These include Hitler, Stalin, and Chairman Mao. There is no doubt or argument about this, and it stretches the bounds of credibility that Time or any other publication thinks Hitler was "right wing". The Nazi's, Fascists, Soviets, and Red Chinese Communists were and are all left wing socialists.
This wouldn't be the same IBM that is muscling competition out of the market? The same IBM that is under-cutting cost in order to under-sell the competition? This isn't the same GM that required a huge Taxpayer bailout in order to stay out of bankruptcy court just to….go to bankruptcy court? ____Once a statist, always a statist.
IBM
that isn't true…
Mussolini's fascists, not Hitler's National Socialists, were the supposed 'darlings of the right'. And they are left wingers as well. Up until the left took over the NEA, schools routinely taught that Totalitarianism was a Leftist construct, and the opposite- the far right- was anarchist.
Thatwould make libertarians the right wing of the current political movements, with conservatism, liberalism,
fascism, socialism- and then communism- to it's left.
Mussolini, a dedicated socialist, had the then brilliant idea that some private ownsership and capital would be beneficial to The State. Hitler- and even FDR- were knocked out by the idea, and facism was up and running.
But as an adjunct to left wing totalitarianism, not in opposition…
GE
"Let’s give the Progressives a rest today. Judging by the 700+ comments on yesterday’s Big Government thread: Media Matters Attacks Beck – Ignores Progressive Roots Of The Klan And Holocaust, it looks like they could use a breather." A breather? Nonsense! Keep turning up the heat! Stepping away from and ignoring their threat is what got us where we are today.
Hitler was a socialist. The only thing he differed on was nationalism over internationalism.
The word "right wing" can mean different things to different places at different times.
bob: Is there some doubt about Hitler and friends being socialists?
Yes, and pretty much every historian will say so, along with anyone who was alive during the Nazi era.
bob: How did the National Socialist Party get its name?
They tacked on the word "socialist" in 1920 in an effort to attract more German workers. The word was a sham, and the various wealthy industrialists who supported the party knew it.
bob; There is no doubt or argument about this, and it stretches the bounds of credibility that Time or any other publication thinks Hitler was "right wing"
From TIME magazine, (August 8, 1932)
"There will be 607 Deputies in the new Reichstag, largest, in German history. Simplifying the returns, it means that the Nazis AND OTHER RIGHT WING PARTIES will have a total of 277 seats." (emphasis added)
If anything, maybe it was to give us a breather, from all the paid lib/progessive trolls that came here talking sh**!
Mr. Marcus…A breather? Are you serious? Last I checked, Progressive don't like it when I breath, and I would like to return the favor in not allowing them to breath either…!!!
Nobody in the political class deserves a breather, not now, not ever. They are supposed to be dutiful servants of the Constitution, and to their constituents. And if they are unable to do their jobs as they were elected to do, then they will not have any life in them TO breath come November…!
And you would be remiss if you did not include the American Liberty league in your assessment. A far larger and more conspiratorial movement that should not be forgotten.
Yep…Fascists' were considered to be to the right of the left-right politcal spectrum.
Fascists' also despised Communists' and Socialists' because they didn't feel they went far enough. Fascists' didn't buy into the class struggle as did the Socialists' and Communists'.
With each passing tax return the progressive tightens the screws on all of us. That is the source of their power; and we voluntarily give it to them! If you live in a very "Blue" state destroy your census, if you live in a very "Red" state multiply add one extra. It is time to fight back against these Progressives.
In actuality the New Deal was rooted in the same philosophy and ideas on which Mussolini’s fascist system in Italy and Stalin’s and Hitler’s socialist systems in the Soviet Union and Germany were based. One of the best books to read along this line is "Three New Deals: Reflections on Roosevelt’s America, Mussolini’s Italy, and Hitler’s Germany’s 1933-1939 by Wolfgang Shivelbush." Consider Roosevelt’s National Industrial Recovery Act. It required American businesses and industries to form cartels, which would set prices that had to be followed by everyone in the cartel. The NIRA was similar to the fascistic programs that Mussolini was establishing in Italy. Mussolini believed in leaving property under private ownership but placing it under government control. That’s what Roosevelt believed in also. Consider Social Security, the crown jewel of Roosevelt’s New Deal. Guess whose bust is proudly displayed on the website of the U.S. Social Security Administration. Otto von Bismarck’s! He was the Iron Chancellor of Germany and introduced Social Security to Germany. He got the idea of Social Security from German socialists. Not surprisingly, Social Security was also an important program in Hitler’s program of National Socialism. Luce was a known Communist shill, that followed the Soviet Union's campaign to distant the Nazis and Fascist from Communism. But, as Dcase correctly pointed out, before the break between Hitler and Stalin, leftist were totalitarian and right was anarchy.
I called my broker and just shorted IBM.
Hitler and his goons started out in beer halls. They despised the communist party in Germany and were indeed right-wing when compared to them. That being said, they were the classic grass roots socialist party that came up through the unhappy masses. Of course, rich and powerful men leveraged them for gain. Same thing happens with every socialist utopian government. That is why Orwell wrote Animal Farm.
Today's subversive academics teach that Nazi's are right-wing in order to label the conservatives as evil. They also fail to mention how Stalin and Mao and communism in general killed millions of more people than Hitler. It does not fit their agenda so they minimize it and teach the kids that right-wing people are just like the Nazis.
Imagine that! Jesus H. Roosevelt played a role. Say it isn't so!
Microsoft………….
There is no need to lie, cheat, or steal our way back into power. That would be no better than what has already been happening, and two wrongs do not make a right…!
We will stand with honor and integrity, knowing that if we make the right desision, the rest will follow. There is no need to stoop to their level.
Pam, I hate to tell you but Luce was a communist stooge, and was parroting Stalins claims. Progressivsm, Socialism, Facism, and Communism are the same, just different amounts of Government control over the economy. New York Times reporter Anne O’Hare McCormick wrote, on May 7, 1933, that the atmosphere in Washington was “strangely reminiscent of Rome in the first weeks after the march of the Blackshirts, of Moscow at the beginning of the Five-Year Plan.…America today literally asks for orders.” The Roosevelt administration, she added, “envisages a federation of industry, labor and government after the fashion of the corporative State as it exists in Italy.” As early as 1912, FDR himself praised the Prussian-German model: “They passed beyond the liberty of the individual to do as he pleased with his own property and found it necessary to check this liberty for the benefit of the freedom of the whole people,” he said in an address to the People’s Forum of Troy, New York. In the North American Review in 1934, the progressive writer Roger Shaw described the New Deal as “Fascist means to gain liberal ends.” He wasn’t hallucinating. FDR’s adviser Rexford Tugwell wrote in his diary that Mussolini had done “many of the things which seem to me necessary.” Lorena Hickok, a close confidante of Eleanor Roosevelt who lived in the White House for a spell, wrote approvingly of a local official who had said, “If [President] Roosevelt were actually a dictator, we might get somewhere.” She added that if she were younger, she’d like to lead “the Fascist Movement in the United States.” At the National Recovery Administration (NRA), the cartel-creating agency at the heart of the early New Deal, one report declared forthrightly, “The Fascist Principles are very similar to those we have been evolving here in America.”
Roosevelt himself called Mussolini “admirable” and professed that he was “deeply impressed by what he has accomplished.” The admiration was mutual. In a laudatory review of Roosevelt’s 1933 book Looking Forward, Mussolini wrote, “Reminiscent of Fascism is the principle that the state no longer leaves the economy to its own devices.…Without question, the mood accompanying this sea change resembles that of Fascism.” The chief Nazi newspaper, Volkischer Beobachter, repeatedly praised “Roosevelt’s adoption of National Socialist strains of thought in his economic and social policies” and “the development toward an authoritarian state” based on the “demand that collective good be put before individual self-interest.” Now if we assume that Roosevelt and his followers are Progressives, as they said they were, we can understand the true nature of the progressives if we want to. Its just very unPC to say the truth, they are fascist/socialist.
And to think that IBM is heavily involved in the smart grid that these environazis love and adore. IBM must want to help kill even more people.
IBM also helped with the extermination of the Jews
http://www.acsa2000.net/ibm_and_hitler.htm
How about someone expose the people who were Nazi sympathisers?
Bush's family
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.s...
http://www.rense.com/general26/dutch.htm
Rockefeller family
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/genociderockefelle...
U.S. CORPORATIONS AND THE NAZIS
http://www.iahushua.com/WOI/us_nazis.htm
Very interesting book and not new news…….I buy no IBM products: http://www.amazon.com/IBM-Holocaust-Strategic-All...
When you're literally taking over other countries, the line between national and inter-national is the line you draw yourself.
FDR met with Mussolini…
and got the idea for the NRA from the Italian dictator. He was so knocked out by the idea of fascism that the Roosevelt dime has the 'fascia', or Italian Fascist Symbol,on the flip side…
Oops. Don't forget this guy….
http://hnn.us/articles/697.html
So the Nazis quickly confiscated all that land owned by those pesky Prussian Junkers and families like the Krupps — right? Which is why rock-ribbed conservatives like Emil Kirdorf and Henry Ford opposed him…right? Private property was eliminated just like in the USSR — right?
For good or ill, giant corporations-enterprises have always linked up with governments or the ruling class, and this will never change, business is business, you chase the prevailing wind. As we begin to return this country to it’s founding, you want to change this, get rid of “K-Street.”
The liberals have worked for years re-labeling themselves “progressive.” This is to give ‘60s radicalism a warm fuzzy face. I say embrace your Marxist leftist heroes, Marx, Engels, Lenin, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Castro, Che, Pol-Pot, Chavez, Obama, etc. We on the right are going to help you with that!
dcase: that isn't true…
Yes it is, and anyone who has actually taken the trouble to read contemporary sources on the Third Reich knows it. It's right there, not only in back issues of time, but in the work of pretty much every diarist of that era and every historian who's written about the Nazis since.
So again — was Henry Luce's TIME MAGAZINE involved in a nefarious leftist effort to falsely paint the Nazis as right wing?
Which still doesn't explain why it is that pretty much EVERYONE at that time — liberal or conservative — referred to the Nazis as being on the right side of the political spectrum.
Ask any one who has worked for IBM. 1 – the company sends e-mails once every 2 or 3 years denying this. 2 – they continually export business and import workers. The growth of India alone has gone from approx 5,000 to 60,000 employees in the past 3 years. With the help and blessing of the US Congress. 3 – the only part of IBM that remains "American" is the executive staff 4 – profits, not innovation is the driving force behind the company. This all can be said of any of the American Tech companies – IBM. HP, MSFT, et al. As the president of AT&T put it two years ago, Americans aren't smart enough to do the jobs so they must offshore and import workers. Thank you – Zoe Lofgren, and the rest of "our" reps.
Nazism was termed 'right-wingers' because they were right of Stalinism however both are collectivist totalitarian Statists.
Progressives will find familiarity, NAZIS were big anti-smokers and even bigger environmental greenies.
From Auf der Wacht (1941) there is a Nazi anti-smoker poster witht he following caption:
"The NAzi party banned smoking form many public places including party office and waiting rooms. Note the Negroid head on the cigar, Nazi antitabacco activists tried to characterize smoking as a vice of degenerate Africans"
A rose is a rose and Progressives are Nazis.
Pamela: Time has no credibility. It pushes a brand of agenda journalism, and everyone knows this. Why would anyone read a 1932 issue of a magazine that has such an onerous history? You can get better history by reviewing 80 years of Sunday comics.
1) Hitler and the Nazi's controlled the German economy and everything in it. This is socialism. The Nazi's had no illusion about that, nor in their quest to control other governments.
2) Fascism was a favorite socialist construct for many people pre-WWII, especially the so called progressives. It is not a secret (ask any historian) that Hitler admired Mussolini's Fascism, which is a variant of socialism. They were both socialists.
3) It is still a fact that the biggest mass murders in history were socialists. Hitler, Stalin, and Mao were all socialists. Period. Any historian who says differently has redefined left and right, which at best are ineptly applied labels. Over 100 million souls were starved or murdered in the 20th century by socialists, and no group of revisionist historians can change that.
4) Economic and behavioral control are part of the pathology of socialism, leading to totalitarianism and the need to eliminate competition. Competition of any sort is antithetical to the basic idea of socialism, and socialists strive to eliminate competition which, worldwide, is the engine of economic prosperity and individual liberty.
You can call socialism right wing or left wing. Whatever you choose to call it you cannot change the facts, and those are that Nazis, Fascists, and Communists are socialists.
Andrew – shame on you! NEVER give your enemy 'a break'! we're not talking about an intramural basketball game here – this is an ideological war that we're engaging in. tsk, tsk. one can't marshal the troops and then ask them not to engage the enemy.
President Lincoln more than once bemoaned that he had no Generals that would take the fight to the rebs…. Don't be our 'Burnside'.
Wow.
"Luce was a communist stooge, and was parroting Stalins claims. "
See, folks, this is what happens when you tell a lie as ridiculous and blatant as "Hitler was a leftist." In order to support it, you have to tell more lies, and more, and more, and before you know it, you're in the realm of science fiction and alternate universes.
Riiiiight. Hitler was a leftist.
And the rock-ribbed Republican Time Magazine was a Stalinist house organ.
Google is the IBM for Obama and interesting that Obama now runs GM.
beck has a 1 hour program. There are many things he had to leave out. I am sure as an educated person, you knew that. Nothing can be covered in an hour program. Possibly he will do another for us on this same topic. There is enough info out there to do so.
This is why the government needs to be limited for our safety. Cut off the revenue to the feds and there are no crony prizes for corporations. When the deals occur, at best they distort what would otherwise be a free market and worst you get genocide.
Pamela, you're right on the nose! But you must consider that women have "superior" verbal comprehension skills over "we" men! I've learned that from my wife and not to debate written comprehension with her! I stick to the sensori-motor stuff, myself!
"Was Luce's TIME MAGAZINE in on a dire conspiracy by progressives to falsely paint the Nazis as right wingers?"
It's amusing you should phrase the question that way because that's almost exactly what happened. Traditional socialists broke with the fascist wing, and since they couldn't work together, denounced them as right wing. If you're trying to associate them with the principles espoused by today's conservatives, also commonly referred to as right wing, you're off base. Extensive government control of and involvement in corporations is a leftist tactic.
Not everything was socialized, just like everything in the U.S. isn't socialized. But this was in name only. You seem to forget that Junkers, Krupps, et. al. became virtually exclusive suppliers of the Reich.
To be honest, virtually all heavy industries under FDR were also taken over for the duration of the war which is why new cars, appliances, etc., vanished.
For those of us that support free markets and capitalism, these cases of American corporate partnership with the Nazi regime represent the very worst of unchecked corporatism, interested only in profit, void of any moral boundary. It’s a disgrace. (Courtesy of Andrew Marcus)
Interesting …….. Andrew, this post will not bring 700+ comments.
Some will. Some won't. The battle continues.
Any spatial arrangement that has statists on both ends is faulted. Totalitarians, socialists, fascists, and progressives are ALL statist philosophies (meaning they believe solutions come from the government). Thus, the only spatial arrangement that makes any sense would be one running from statism on one side to anarchy on the other (absence of government). Which would put ALL statist ideologies in opposition to belief systems that think the decision-making power should reside in the individual.
So to answer your question, anyone who puts fascism on the right end of the spectrum clearly has never studied political science.
Hitler..left or right? Who's ever heard of a right wing socialist?
OK Pamela, let's just give you the nod on this one and go with the Nazis were rightwing and the Communists were leftwing. This merely means that rightwing nut jobs are only capable of slaughtering 1/10th of what a Red can.
Does this make you happy in some way?
For the same reason that those who opposed Eugenics were labelled "Social Darwinists".
Leftists/Progressives have always devoted more time and thought to concocting lurid and misleading labels for their opponents than they actually spent thinking out the logical consequences of their own policies.
The Nazi/Soviet struggle split the Progressive movement; but in Jonah Goldberg's phrase, it was a "Coke vs Pepsi" struggle for ideological market share. In the 1930's, when Progressivism of all stripes was the dominant ideology in America, it's not surprising that TIME MAGAZINE would adopt the parlance.
There are both interviews and essays where Mussolini is complimentary of FDR and what he was doing with his New Deal.
In 1933 Mussolini's press office realized such statement were hurting FDR politically. They issued the following order: "It is not to be emphasized that Roosevelt's policy is fascist because these comments are immediately cabled to the United States and are used by his foes to attack him".
All but Ford
History is repeating it's self
DOE'S THE ELECTRIC COMPANYS COMPETE FOR BIDS ON THE SMART GRID IN EACH STATE…….
HOW MUCH IS IBM INVOLVED WITH EACH STATE………
DOES THE FED HAVE CONTROL OVER EACH STATE ON THE SMATR GRID PROJECT…….
Pamela,
The way I've always heard the distinction made that put fascism on the right and communism on the left is that the fascists forced their totalitarianism on the people in the name of the "state", while the communists did it in the name of the "people". In my opinion, that is merely a cosmetic difference. I don't think it really matters what "everyone thought at the time". The important thing to understand now is that right vs. left is not nearly as important as collectivism vs. individual rights. Fascism and communism, or statism, socialism, totalitarianism, etc., are all forms of collectivism and, as such, all represent the abrogation of individual rights. Of course, there are matters of degree. We have a great deal of collectivism in this country, but we're hardly a police state (yet!). But it is important to note that what collectivism we do have has come from BOTH the left and the right (the republicans and the democrats). It hardly matters which one it comes from–the more we have of it, the less free we are, and, therefore, the less moral a country we are.
Kristine, I second the motion that I made with Pamela! Great response!
All the above plus one
MSM
You offered not one ounce of proof or evidence, even a factual statement in your "response."
Meanwhile, Kristine provided dates, historical figures, news reports, and analysis. You've got "wow", and that's about it.
Sounds like a CONSPIRACY THEORY to me. What next, are you going to say 9/11 was an inside job?
Pam do you really think "TIME/MSM" was any different then as now
Get a clue find and another source
They were just practicing "Free Trade" like we do with China now.
They didn't sit idly by – the actually began the war.
http://images.indymedia.org/imc/ontario/judea_dec...
It's sad when you only have one piece of evidence to grasp on to, and must keep referring back to it. It's the typed equivalent of a skipping CD. My guess, probably a decent person who's a progressive, but through cognitive dissonance, can't bring herself to admit how much in common her belief system has with the German P.O.S.
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Time is drastically different now than then. Ever hear of Whittaker Chambers?
I figured you'd show up here. You're late.
This thread is a made to order soapbox for you.
I'll just sit back and watch you get all wound up………….
And in America they do today
Common Sense
NOW THERE'S A THOUGHT
I think Ronald Reagan said it best back in 1964…
‘There is no such thing as a left or right…there is only an UP or DOWN…man’s age old dream—individual freedom …or, DOWN into the ant heap of totalitarianism. Regarless of their sincerity or humanitarian motives, those who would trade our freedom for security have embarked on this downward course.’
It’s instructive to listen to his entire speech or listen beginning at 3:30
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt1fYSAChxs
spot on- as said in our original reply….
Pamela,
I believe you may be confused on how the graduated scale of government rule actually works. Don't be insulted, most Polisci/Government teachers & professors have either forgotten or chose not to teach the basics.
I want you and anybody else who is confused about it to define "Left" and "Right", then define where you believe the middle. Write it down then compare what you believe is the way government works & compare it to how it is actually laid out in America.
This video goes back to the "Old School" way of teaching government, before the "Progressive Movement" of the early 1900's & explains how the scale works: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7M-7LkvcVw&fe...
So, by the ideals shown in the video, you define the "Middle" as some where between a Democracy on the "Left" and a Republic on the "Right", any type of government that dictates a bigger government & less individual freedom IS a "Left" ideal. In other words, Socialism, Communism, Fascism, Dictatorships, Monarchies are all "Left" . Republic, Individualism & Anarchy are all "Right"
agreed
FDR was extremely fond of Mussolini. That is a fact. You are also spot on, as well. Some excellent replies to the fatuous assertion that Nazism is somehow on the 'right'; it most assuredly isn't…
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I do know that Roosevelt is quoted as saying that Stalin was the greatest leader of all time, which I thought to be strange!
I also read that Hitler was Time's Man of the Year, too!
I was always under the "thought" that Communism served just that purpose, to make immorality fashionable!
Reading Marx, I think that was the purpose of Marxism; he wanted to kill all the Jews i.e., the most religious, if you will!
Most will have NOTHING to do with it! i.e., the battle, only subjected to it!
Left, Right, Left, Right…. STUPID! When the Soviet Union fell the communist hardliners were called Right and Left was the name given to the rebels taking on Soviet tanks in the streets….by American media. Times change and so do labels depending on era and locale. The East German Communists were old establishment "Right" also. The anti-Communist Solidarność of Poland was left.
Stupid, stupid, stupid politicking via semantics.
Cowboy, You're always there!
What is "RIGHT"?
Follow the money!
Scary, isn't it?
We are watching now! "Jacob's trouble" is now on the horizon!
What is "RIGHT"?
Politically speaking? It is anything that adheres to the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights.
It's that simple. Or is it?
James Gregor, Professor of Political Science at UC Berkeley, argues Fascism was a left-wing philosophy in his book Faces Of Janus: Marxism and Fascism In The Twentieth Century (he has devoted decades to studying Fascism).
And The Bible, as one founder stated:
“It is impossible to account for the creation of the universe without the agency of a Supreme Being. It is impossible to govern the universe without the aid of a Supreme Being. It is impossible to reason without arriving at a Supreme Being. Religion is as necessary to reason as reason is to religion. The one cannot exist without the other.” (quoted in James K. Paluding’s, A Life of Washington, 1835)
Addendum: Perhaps I shouldn't have lost my patience so quickly as some can be reasoned with.
What I should have said is that while left and right have been used to identify political idealogies in the past and depending on location, in American politics the left of the 20th Century became the home of Statists and the various flavors of Marxism while the right constitutes those strict adherents to the Constitution and traditional values. Centrists are, of course, somewhere in the middle. It really is that simple.
Faces Of Janus: Marxism And Fascism In The Twentieth Century, by UC Berkeley Professor James Gregor, argues fascism is a left-wing philosophy. He 'bends the political spectrum from a linear to a circular form. That is, fascism and communism meld into each other. Fascism had its origins in communism and communism exhibited facets of fascism from its inception.'
Kristine -1
Pamela -0
How many have forgotten that Ford (yes, the auto-maker Ford) was Hitler's hero? He had a picture of Ford on his wall as a young man. Ford was an anti-Semite who bought the lies of "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" and propagated them.
Oh really , Luce + Time Magazine were communist stooges? Care to provide any proof or links to back up this up? Or are you just content to say WHATEVER will win an argument, whether or not it's true.
Beck missed one last week. The founder of Fascism and Hitler's ally,Mussolini began as a socialist until he was kicked out of the party in 1915 when he supported Italy's involvement in WWI.
From Wikipedia:
Luce launched the business magazine Fortune in February 1930 and founded the pictorial Life magazine in 1936, and launched House & Home in 1952 and Sports Illustrated in 1954.
Luce, who remained editor-in-chief of all his publications until 1964, maintained a position as an influential member of the Republican Party.[1] Holding anti-communist sentiments. An instrumental figure behind the so-called "China Lobby", he played a large role in steering American foreign policy and popular sentiment in favor of Nationalist leader Chiang Kai-shek and his wife Soong Mei-ling in their war against the Japanese. (The Chiangs appeared in the cover of Time eleven times between 1927 and 1955.[2])
Once ambitious to become Secretary of State in a Republican administration, Luce penned a famous article in Life magazine in 1941, called "The American Century", which defined the role of American foreign policy for the remainder of the 20th century (and perhaps beyond).[1]
Since Progressives controlled the narrative in the 1930's EVERYONE was constrained by their terminology. Regrdless of what EVERYONE was saying through the 30's, the bare facts were that the Nazis ran a Statist, top-down economy. The only difference between them and the Bolsheviks was that they co-opted the existing heads of corporations, rather than shooting them and replacing them with someone from the Party.
Then as now, corporate heads were susceptible to Progressivist/Statist control. Big businesses benefit from such collaboration in that the Statists give them monopoly control over their market sectors, which is a small price to pay for bumptious oversight and the periodic scapegoating which goes along with it.
This was true for Wilson and FDR as well as Mussolini and Hitler.
Kristine provided quotes (aka, context) to back up here assertion. Pamela provided the word "wow" and hurled jibberish (aka, nothing). Don't know who "you guys" are (more mental laziness), but I'm still awaiting a "fact" to be offered. I'll remain on the subject for as long as you wish
That was a fantastic video, thanks for linking.
I just offered a fact about Luce being an influential republican and anti-communist. THe wikipedia quote is below. Care to offer any evidence that he was a stooge for Stalin?
Oh and "you guys" refers to to conservatives who post on this site.
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