Media Matters Attacks Beck – Ignores Progressive Roots Of The Klan And Holocaust
by Andrew MarcusMedia Matters is attempting to attack Glenn Beck over his exposé of Progressive violence and crimes against humanity in the previous century.
Media Matters can spend all year trying to deny the blood soaked roots of the progressive movement, but that’s a little like Democrat Robert Byrd arguing that there was no such thing as slavery, let alone the KKK.
Case in point, one topic Media Matters and other progressive groups don’t want to deal with is how Progressive Eugenics inspired the Master Race holocaust of WWII.
I have covered this here before, and the facts are truly damning as well as irrefutable.
To see just how involved the American Progressive movement was in the global effort to murder the “inferior” in the name of their junk science of Eugenics, we dare you to click through to this Google Books page for Black’s book, War Against The Weak. The link highlights the word Progressive everywhere it appears in the text.
And before the folks at Media Matters try to destroy the source of the detailed research which reveals how America’s Progressive movement collaborated with the Nazis to commit genocide, we would simply like to wish you good luck with that.
I would like to officially challenge the folks at Media Matters, and other progressive intellectual sink-holes, to address their movement’s role in the Nazi genocide.
The Neo-Progressives might do themselves a service by admitting the damage their predecessors have done, and trying to make amends for their horrors. Denying these documented crimes is the same as excusing them.
I would also like to challenge American Jews and Blacks, the main targets of Progressive Eugenics, by asking how they can call themselves Progressives given what the movement has unapologetically done to their populations.
Progressive intellectuals inspired and fed the ideology of Nazis and the Klan.
Is a Jewish Progressive any different than a Jewish Nazi? If so, how?
Is a black Progressive any different than a black Klansman? If so, how?
If those questions strike you as painful, they should. This topic demands some tough questions.
By no means am I concluding that Progressive Jews and Blacks are Nazis or Klansmen. Of course they are not. I am absolutely suggesting they have not a clue about the movement they have signed onto. How could they be aware of what Progressivism unapologetically did, and still join it?
These are serious questions which I wish any progressive would attempt to address. For all I know, there is a perfectly good reason for these people to subscribe to a movement that unapologetically tried to wipe them off the face of the earth.
So far, I can’t figure it out.
At the very least, if the Progressive movement of today would like to argue that it is not the same movement it once was, I’m all ears. So far all I’ve heard is defensiveness. The Progressive movement should be considered to have not a shred of credibility until they at least acknowledge their movement’s role in many of the 20th Century’s most sadistic atrocities.







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Very thought provoking article.
"Progressive intellectuals inspired and fed the ideology of Nazis and the Klan.
Is a Jewish Progressive any different than a Jewish Nazi? If so, how?
Is a black Progressive any different than a black Klansman? If so, how?"
Perhaps we should ask George Soros and Danny Glover their thoughts on this matter?
the left finally realized they couldn't exterminate the "lesser races" so they returned to the old ways of enslaveing them. history doesn't repeat itself but it does rhyme.
Yes, the early progressives were racist. And George Bernard Shaw was a wacko. But one thing that you have forgotten is that good things can come from a stupid or evil tree. It sounds counter-intuitive but it is true. The Shakers believed that Ann Lee was the Second Coming of Christ but they made excellent furniture and "Tis a Gift to be Simple" was a great song. Stalin was a worst murderer than Hitler. True. And the Communist Party in America was Stalin's servant. And it is also true that the early organizers of some of our industrial unions were members of Stalin's Party. But Industrial Unionism was a good thing and helped to create the American Post-WW II Middle Class. Glenn Beck's polemics against Progressives remind me of a lot of writing I have seen about the supposed evils of the Catholic Church: Inquistions and torture. But they forgot that Catholic Church was not only the Church of the Inquisition – it was the Church of St. Francis of Assisi and Mother Theresa.
The world is very rarely the black and white place that agitators make it out to be. I commend Glenn Beck in his skillful study of Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals. Alinsky taught that the Radical knows that truth exists in shades of gray but you must act as if it is black and white if you want people to act. Agitators eliminate distinctions and push people towards action around black and white terms. PLEASE KNOW – this is what Beck seems to be doing.
I seriously hope that Beck does not really believe this crap. 2010 Progressivism does NOT equal Fascism – does NOT equal Communism.
The Progressives won't admit to any of this. They will just change their name.
Ah but history does repeat itself and if the "Progressives" get the total power that they crave in this country we will witness the repetition of history. Not the gas chambers but through the rationing of health care. Maybe even through the extreme cost of heating oil in the winter due to cap and trade. Speaking of cap and trade cost, what will that do to food prices?
Yes history does repeat, maybe not a mirror image but the results are the same.
Glenn Beck has done an excellent job in providing an understanding as to how the progressive movement evolved. Understanding how the movement evolved helps us to understand what they are all about today.
I see many similar behaviors between the progressives of old and the progressives of today. To me, it shows that the progressives haven't really changed much. Class warfare, more government control, less freedoms for the citizens in the name of the government. It's all there today just like it was back then. The mass murders haven't occurred yet under the name of the progressives however if the movement gains more power, it will only be a short time before it does happen as progressives are extremely intolerant of any opposing view.
All the the Media Matter folks blasting Beck, while wearing their Che t-shirts, haven't shown me a single thing to disprove anything in Beck's documentary. All I see is scrambling to cover their collective backsides from the facts.
I am glad to see that Glenn Beck is getting to them by speaking the truth.
He will be exposing the "Progressives" for who they really are.
Thanks for the article…As far as I'm concerned, Communism, Fascism,
and Progressives are 1st cousins!
I applaud Glenn Beck, I think he is the ONLY ONE on radio or television,
that will tell it like it is!
I don't think the folks at Media Matters (or any of their far-left counterparts) will accurately refute this. The truth is a foreign concept to progressives.
Progressives believe there is just about the right number of them, and far, far to many of us. They love the weak, just go visit any inner-city Sec.8 housing development, drive through Appalachia and witness their work, generational servitude. The progressive leftist movement is without exception is the bloodiest, most regressive political movement in the history of mankind, Stalin, Hitler, Mao. Glenn Beck is simply bold enough to point it out, give’em hell Glenn!
The more hated you are by the lefties and their media mouthpieces in the MSM the more you must be right.
You right Bookman 2010 progressives are Socialists and Maoist. I.E. your Uncle Saul states the first rule of community organizing is community disorganizing.The banking system is broken (disorganized)…the health care system is disorganized. The auto companies were disorganized etc…..The truth does not exists in the gray areas,thats what you are led to believe,the gray areas are the muddy waters…you cant see the truth….the truth is in black and white…thats why progressives never tell you the real agenda…they muddy the waters to make it confusing and use half truths.
"Bloods, and Crips", and wouldn't you include those that use
race baiting to try to stifle speech? The ones that call you a
racist because you have a different opinion!…They use that
to shut you up, and it works with most everyone….
Are you serious?
George Soros or Danny Glover actually have thoughts?
Progressives do not think, they feel. They tend to confuse those two terms also, as most of society today does.
Progressives base all of their decisions on the shifting sands of their emotions. Thinking requires dealing in facts and truth! Facts and truth are totally devoid of emotion, yet when people are confronted by them, the usual reaction is offense and revulsion.
The left does not think, they feel.
Good un' Cowboy!
They will never learn,hopefully they'll go the way of AIR AMERICA.
We've had quite enough "Hype and Che"!
Mao is murder!
"You know you're over the target when you start taking fire." –old aviator saying
Go, Glenn!
"The Neo-Progressives might do themselves a service by admitting the damage their predecessors have done, and trying to make amends for their horrors. Denying these documented crimes is the same as excusing them."
Why…So they can apologize than get them in on some Obama cash to make them feel better…?
As with Air America, the people of the country will decide who is right, and who is so far out in left field, they forgot what inning it was…!
I'm surprisde that a person as bitter as Soros, has been able to stay alive as long as he has…You would think his heart would have failed him 30 years ago with all the hate he holds.
We not only have left out the true meaning of Truth, we have forgotten where it comes from, for those of you who assume you have an understanding of the Truth. Spell it out, quit trying to rationalize it .
"For we cannot do anything against the truth, but only for the truth. … For we
cannot oppose the truth, but must always stand for the truth. … "
Gray is not a color it is a Movement.
Planned Parenthood has the majority of their "health clinics" in poor, inner city, black and hispanic neighborhoods, this is NOT an accident!
Margaret Sanger, Hillary's "personal hero" has notably made hundred of statements JUST LIKE THIS:
"We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don't want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population. and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."
Margaret Sanger's December 19, 1939 letter to Dr. Clarence Gamble, 255 Adams Street, Milton, Massachusetts. Original source: Sophia Smith Collection, Smith College, North Hampton, Massachusetts. Also described in Linda Gordon's Woman's Body, Woman's Right: A Social History of Birth Control in America. New York: Grossman Publishers, 1976.
Thing is, progressives never stopped believing this crap!
Then why did Van Jones proclaim himself a Communist, Bookman? Joe McCarthy was right!
Media Matters vs Glenn Beck. Beck wins with a knock out in the first round. The truth always wins.
"2010 Progressivism does NOT equal Fascism"
Fascism- A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator (such as Obamao, Dingy Harry and Nazi Pelosi), stringent socioeconomic controls (GM, AIG, etc.), suppression of the opposition through terror (Acorn, SEIU) and censorship (FCC, DOJ), and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism (fill in your own ideas).
As for the communism part, you only need to look to Mao who murdered more than anyone in history and more than Hitler, Stalin and others- combined.
2010 progressives are worse than fascists and communists because these libtards operate under the cover of darkness and when exposed, run for cover like cock roaches.
I think it's a simple formula really. Conservatives by nature prefer to think for themselves,take care of their own affairs, leave others to do the same, and tend not to buy into so called movements. Liberals, particularly progressives, are the opposite. They have an inborn need to meddle in others affairs (mostly because they feel superior), to be a part of group that supports their sense of superiority and to follow that group in an effort to bring about changes that they believe are needed. The most frightening part is that they believe they are doing a good thing. Save the spotted owl, but euthanize the female babies to control population. Scary scary stuff.
And then some!
To paraphrase: Those who fail to acknowledge history are destined to repeat it.
our forefathers understood, that with power comes greed and corruption…totalitarian government leads to dissent, which l…eads to destruction of that dissent- when you take the power of many and give to a few, it is a natural occurrence that the few would become, at least in their own minds, all knowing….we are not slaves to them, however their very existence as elected officials rests with our votes…when men become rabid with power and greed, i have no doubt they would kill to retain power, and history tells us, this is the result…..The constitution protects us, but we have to protect it, for without it , we wouldnt be having this conversation…..
Van Jones? From a cold hearted practical politically liberal prospective – Van Jones was a "useful idiot" – turning Lenin on his head. People like Van Jones are used by people like Rahm Emmanuel and Obama for a purpose – and if they become too controversial then they are cast aside. Van Jones was cast aside. In the Democratic Party there is a distinction (and conflict) between the Progressive Establishment Politicians and THE ACTIVISTS. Activist very rarely make their way into the inner corridors of power. This is true on the right as well as the left. Van Jones was an activist that the Politicians were using. Watch for the Obama Administration to cut loose more Activists.
cardon: You couldn't possibly be referring to fine, upstanding members of the clergy, could you? I mean would REVEREND Jesse Jackson, or REVEREND Al Sharpton stoop to such tactics?
/naiveté
Van Jones simply moved to another liberal progressive group, John Podesta and the George Soros funded “Center for American Progress,” note “progress” in the title. Also Valerie Jarrett (slum lord), Van Jones biggest supporter in the WH is faithfully at Barry’s side.
Note: John Podesta was in charge of the Obama transition team.
Beck get it right. First they were Progressives until that became a dirty word. Then they were liberals until their ideas made that a dirty word. Now they are back to Progressives with the same ideas in a different package.
Same old crap just different packaging. Same tired ideas – keep people suckling on the federal breast so they can't provide for themselves. Randy Newman had a great line in his age old song "Rednecks" – I won't be coarse and use the term but the gist is "Keepin the ******* down."
That's the left's objectives and they have been wildly successful at it for 50 years.
It is time that we all wake up. This has been gradually happening in America for decades, our eyes wide shut! History has shown common ways the erosion begins. First they divide families… we have out of wedlock births, single moms and divorce rates that are nothing less than astounding. Just look at what has happened to inner city youth raised without fathers! Then they chip away at your faith, replacing God with big government. And nobody ever mentions the holocaust already going on in this country in the form of abortion and the tens of millions of innocent lives lost, and this coincides with the loss of faith and not understanding the true value of every single human being. And we all know the horrors of free healthcare for all…rationing WILL happen. I have a dear friend from Poland and she remembers what it was like when one leftist ideology "liberated" them from the other leftist state and she witnessed horrors, including watching her priest executed in front of her. She has been telling me for years now that the democratic party in this country is saying a lot of the same things that these statist regimes believed, even seemingly good things like mandatory preschool. She says that President Obama sounds just like Stalin. Her advice to me, an American in 2010 is " survive". America should be thriving, not just surviving. I fear for my children. Something is very wrong, I can feel it in my bones, and thank goodness a man with a microphone(Glenn Beck) is shining some light on this.
It''s worth noting that the Nazi's were also known as the Democratic Socialist Party. (Not the Republican Party) and that the KKK was mostly comprised of Southern Democrats.
Please realize the incorrect "broad-brush" that Glenn Beck uses when dealing with political ideology. To use your Poland example: Nazi occupation was replaced with Communist Dictatorship and then a democratic movement replaced Communism. What Americans sometime forget (or did not know) is that the democratic movement that replaced Communism – led by SOLIDARITY – was Socialist as well – DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST. Glenn Beck's problem is that he sees all three movements (Nazism, Communism, and Democratic Socialism) as ultimately the same. This is incorrect. Please see clearly to proceed.
I thoroughly enjoyed Glenn's Documentary. I think it should be shown to Children who have previously been propagandized with a more appealing Picture of the isms. A more accurate accounting of history in text books is long overdue.
Glenn did a great job spotlighting the cluelessness that is celebrityism also. How idiotic they appear parading around in their "Che" attire.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Liberal Elite now begin to rebrand their agenda as Populism & describe themselves as Populists.
.Of course James thats was the name of the Nazi party but the left is always trying to rewrite history..
This is too easy. R.E: B.O.'s veiled reference to Sarah Palin, "You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig." Not very original, but in this case it applies.
No matter what the Progressive/Liberal/Facist/Nazi/Communist/Socialist/SEIU/Acorn/blah blah blah, yaddah yaddah yaddah, organizations call them selves………
Let's just say it's Communism lite. How do you explain the "social engineering" meme of the current sitting POTUS?
Thank you for your thoughtful reply. 2010 Progressivism does not equal Communism/Fascism. But I can see where the democratic Progressive vision moves away from the concepts of freedom and liberty that are accepted by Libertarians and Conservatives.
Does everyone else notice that Media Matters never once mentioned what Beck exposed about their hero Che?
Soros freely admits to his role in the Holocaust. I doubt you'd get anything that would surprise you.
lol, I sure would, and 99% of the demon-c-rats do the same thing…
If you disagree with them on welfare, you don't want to help the
poor, if you disagree with the way to handle the healthcare situation,
you want to see people sick or dead in the streets…They are like
that with everything…You don't think there is such a thing as global
warming, you want to see people fry….I just hope more and more
people wake-up to these blatant lies!!
Glenn Beck is the only ONE out there NOT AFRAID to tell the truth!!! He STILL has a red phone on his desk if ANYONE at the White House want to call and challenge him on ANYTHING…he has begged…"Call me, prove me wrong!"
QUESTION: IS IT TRUE THAT "FOX NEWS" IS FINANCED BY THE ARABS? THAT IS WHAT I'VE HEARD!
Obama (at his most radical) is a Western European Social Democrat (in the tradition of the Labor Party of England or the Social Democratic Party of Germany. It does us no good to mis-name things. It was stupid of Progressives during the Bush Administration to call his Conservatism fascist. We need to call things by their real names. I would respect Glenn Beck a lot more if he presented a thoughtful and realistic Libertarian critique of Social Democracy. What he does though is makes Soviet Communism his "straw man". Beck can attack Sovietism and pretend that he is battling Obama. He is deluding himself.
"Progressives" in world history; Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Ho Chi Minh, Che, Castro, Carter, Clinton, Obama and Chavez… Birds of a feather flock together…
"How could they be aware of what Progressivism unapologetically did, and still join it?" One need only read Marx–a Jew & anti-semite–to answer this question. Ideology above ALL else.
The way many of the Progressives talk when they think only their own are listening, you know that they'd happily find ways to permanently silence just about all of us who post here. It's simply distressing how much they resort to name-calling, lies, slander and threats when faced with those with whom they disagree. Give them the actual power and authority, and the temptation to remove us with a final solution would become almost overwhelming to many of them.
What is sad is that a sometimes-clownish figure, Glen Beck, seems to be one of the very few people in the media who asks probing and important questions. In return, he is the object of ad hominem attacks, but the core problems he addresses are never discussed by the "progressives." To paraphrase Ayn Rand's observation: Climbing a mountain is easy – the progressives would say – but rolling in the gutter, now, THAT is an achievement. And rolling in the gutter they made into an art form, indeed.
Got "Che"-nge?
I agree, I've heard him refer to bodyguards a couple of times….
If you are a praying man, keep this good patriot in your
prayers, as will I…..We need his voice out there!! He's doing
our country a great service..All he talks about was pretty much deleted
or covered up for way too long……
The healthcare bill includes rationing. obamao said it himself, " cronicly ill and old people make up 80% of healthcare costs." they plan on rationing healthcare for these people so they can save money. Robert Reich said " we are going to let you die." Ezeikel Emamuel, wrote, " why we must ration healthcare." This came from Beck's show on eugenics a few months ago. When grayson said the republicans are going to let you die I beleive he was actually talking about progressives.
If they are, so what? What relevance might THAT have to the message they deliver? Are you saying that FOX is a terrorist organization?
Where did you hear that and what does it mean to you?
That would be an acknowledgment of their glorification of Che and Mao as "heroes", not bloody likely to happen…
It doesn't matter. Their audience will never know anything they don't want them to know.
Sure I want to see them fry! And 30 years ago I wanted them to freeze to death from global cooling. Global Cooling, you will recall, was what Newsweak and Time, and US Snooze and Whirled Retorts was using on their covers to move magazines.
Nazi = "National Socialist German Workers Party" – lets get it right! And way back when the KKK were probably Democrats – but that was before President Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Since 1968 those KKKers would have probably been Republicans. The racist South used to be part of the Democratic Party's national coalition. Now the racist South is part of the Republican's coalition. They are YOUR problem now.
good point, I was too easy on them in a later comment.
Yes.
That race baiting works with most folks.
It does not with me.
I prefer to call a spade a spade and let the chips fall where they may.
Just took a look at the Media Matters website, WOW they are delusional. The comments are even worse. How do the left sleep at night?
No.
It is not true that FOX is financed by the Arabs.
It is true that Prnice Alaweed owns 5% of FOX.
Regarding the comments pertaining to black klansmen, aren't they called "Bloods" and "Crips"?
You forgot to add BGF, PGB, etc (insert any known gang moniker). You could also ask, "Why are black people killed more often by other blacks?
Time to get the RINO’s out of the party and that is getting John McCain defeated in his primary. JD Hayworth just announced his intention to run against McCain and he deserves your support.
John McCain is largely the reason we have Obama as president. John McCain refused to ask and challenge Obama on a number of issues that are now biting us in the ass. John McCain deserves to go, support JD Hayworth in his effort to defeat a long standing RINO. Also, as for me, I will NEVER give another red cent to the GOP again after their unyielding support for Dede the RINO in NY23. The GOP is a camelion in disguise and does not deserve any support until it gets a clue about it’s role in reversing government in our lives.
As for Glen Beck, he is bright and brings out alot of interesting points about progressives, but he is dead wrong on Obama’s elgilibility to be president. Becks tirade against ‘birthers’ is totally uncalled for and is a point that Obama has spent millions to cover up. Beck needs to look at the facts that Obama is spending millions to cover up.
It's about STATISTICS and RELIABILITY! OBJECTIVITY!
BOTH FOX AND TERRORISM HAVE A "RELIGIOUS PHILOSOPHY"!
FOX? RANDOLPH HURST IS SAID TO HAVE CREATED WARS! FOLLOW THE MONEY!
There is a lot of energy on display here. How do we organize our energy and put it to constructive use? At issue: we need to channel our energy into effective action to influence the 2010 and 2012 elections to favor candidates representing our views without regard for party.
Personally, I want Ron Paul to run again. If he does, I'll be on the front lines working for him. I think Michelle Bachman would make an interesting VP choice. Here in Arizona I'm already working for Chris Simcox. He is running against John McCain. As a former elected person I know John McCain. That is why I'm supporting Chris. Chris ran the Minutemen down on Arizona's border. Check him out at simcox for senate dot com.
As BECK said, MARX WANTED TO KILL JEWS TOO! WHY? RELIGIOUS IDEOLOGY!
IRONY: MARXISM IS RELIGION TOO!
Because the ends justify the means. Lies, falsehoods, little white lies, whoppers, slander, libel, smears, character assasination , you name it, all ok if they advance the agenda of the Progressives.
"CHE" SOUNDS LIKE A BIG FAN OF HOLLYWOOD AND AMERICAN WOMEN!
WHY?
POWER AND CONTROL!
If progressives start feeling some pressure from their indefensible past they will abandon the title of 'progressive'. Much like Global Warming is now called Climate Change. What do you think they will call themselves?
Should have read your post first…I'm not the only one that sees a rebranding in the future.
Lies, damned lies and "statistics"…
Cook it any way you like, the truth hurts, don't it?
I honestly don't know.
It would seem that they would make harder targets to hit, at night.
Perhaps that is one of lifes riddles.
"Brown shirts"!
The left will never admit that their social engineering and playing with the tax code in regards to the 'welfare' state is doing more harm than good. The Great Society is the root cause behind the destruction of the black family structure and the founding document of our current welfare state.
Welfare=Slavery, Liberal compassion are the chains that keep the indentured in their place. When individual initiatve is supplanted by dependancy, multiple generational welfare is the result..
The compassion of the progressives is the most insidious form of racism and those victimization pimps (Jackson and Sharpton) are the ones keeping their people on the plantation.
good points
Really? That's your argument: Since 1968 those KKKers WOULD HAVE PROBABLY BEEN Republicans.
There is absolutely no way for you to quantify that argument! Republicans fought and died to abolish slavery, work for the passage of civil rights, etc. OTOH, look at every failing demographic where minorities live in poverty and failure: Detroit, California, South Central, New Orleans, Baltimore, DC…governed by today's Democrat Progressives.
See? That's an argument.
Dear Mr. or Ms. FO — I also know the illustrious Mr. JD. Subsequently I will not be supporting his candidacy either. I want somebody in the Senate that's been on the front lines of defending our liberty and Constitution, and I want somebody who is unafraid to make the tough calls with no bloviating. Self-aggrandizement doesn't amuse me.
Furthermore… forget about party affiliations. Think outside of the box and look at the individual.
If by "socialist" you mean the power of the people from the bottom up and not top down, that is not what I am talking about. The tea party movement rising up in this country is a social gathering movement of the people from the bottom up, not top down. I guess if you want, you can call it "socialist" too. It is the same with unions, we belong to IBEW and believe in unions from the bottom up….but as soon as government gets involved, power from above forcing it on the general population, annointing it special privileges, there is corruption and it becomes this ugly thing that popular opinion sways against. I fear for union labor now that this bunch in power is making it look so bad! Anyway, I see how you can spin what I was saying, and it is a logical argument.
I think the real difference is that so many times, a charismatic leader takes the wheel of a popular movement and perverts it for his own gain, using the very people they propose they represent. The true power should always be with the people and big government is always a problem. You and I probably agree on things more than we realize.
Moby?
Well stated and accurate. Where was the outrage when Ginsberg mentioned that she thought abortion was to get rid of the undesirables. Total silence from Jackson and Sharpton, amazing!
Wait, I thought Beck caused violence? Isn't that what Media Matters says?
Nazis, Marxist, Socialists, Communists and Progressives all have one goal, Control. Just like Obama want to control all our lives. Because he thing he is smarter than you. Take health care, 63% of the people of The United States don't want it but he knows better and he knows whats better for us. Obama thinks he's God.
Today the Solid Democratic South of the Roosevelt era and before is now the Solid Republican South. The key fact that changed this was the 1964 Civil Rights Act. This Act was supported by Northern Republicans and Democratic Liberals in the North. That was a different Republican Party and a different Democratic Party. I do not think that Glenn Beck would want to claim Teddy Roosevelt or the Wisconsin Republican Party of the Progressive Era. There has been a realignment since '68. See it or don't. I understand that you are making an argument about the effectiveness of Progressive programs for Blacks and inner city communities. But that is changing the subject. I would be willing to discuss that. But let's finish this one first – the South turned Republican directly because of Democrat's turn to the left – Civil Rights Act and the later reaction to the George McGovern Presidential Campaign in '72 sealed the deal.
Bruce Thornton, a professor of Classics at American University of Cal State Fresno wrote:
Lenin called them "useful idiots," those people living in liberal democracies who by giving moral and material support to a totalitarian ideology in effect were braiding the rope that would hang them. Why people who enjoyed freedom and prosperity worked passionately to destroy both is a fascinating question, one still with us today.
That Soros is an evil looking man!!..
I think you are right. You and I probably do agree on things more than we realize.
I watched Glenn's show the other day. FOX and Glenn should get an award. It should also be required for every student in America to watch. All grades. I was surprised Obama didn't have his usual 'cut off Glenn' news conference. Axelrod, Jarriett and Gibbs are all on t.v. spinning today. What a piece of work we have running the country. Wonder who's writing O's speech for this week. How many people does it take for them to write "it's still Bush's fault?" These folks don't have a clue.
hillary clinton branded herself a modern twentieth century progressive. does that mean she supports genocide ? or does she support the obama care and government sanctioned death panels ? i will bet the failing media won't ask and she won't tell.
That's why Obama ignored all the protesters in Washington on Sept 12th and then later made fun of them.
The marxists in this country will just change their title again as they did when they went from "progessive" to "liberal" and back to "progressive" again. It won't work, of course, but they can't EVER tell the truth as no one would listen to them ever again, so they'll keep trying. What a pathetic group of lieing losers! We're on to them now, so it's basically all over but the shouting.
——————————————————————————–____Guess who helps finance the "Progressive movement" in the U.S. besides George Soros:__ __Peter B. Lewis____Peter B. Lewis (born 1933) is the Cleveland, Ohio-area based chairman of Progressive Insurance Companies. Lewis currently resides in Coconut Grove, Florida.____Donations__With an estimated net worth in excess of a billion dollars, Lewis frequently donates money to charities and political groups. He is a patron of the arts and supports many artistic pursuits. Lewis’s personal and corporate contemporary art collection is well known—the corporate collection is displayed at Progressive Insurance offices. Lewis has made donations to:__• Princeton University (A Gehry designed science library, $60 million
Ben- thanks and I saw your note below. As far as labor unions go… although I am adamantly against unions and particularly those in the government sector, I respect anyone who puts in an honest day's work for fair compensation- regardless of whether they belong to a union or not. I do have a big problem with union leaders who take member paid dues to advance their self-serving political agenda- such as scumbags like Andy Stern of SEIU- whose socialist views make me want to hurl.
I think an individual has to decide if he/she is 100% for our constitution, liberty and freedom. Anyone who does not feel this is of utmost importance is a potential enemy.
Thanks for understanding. I am a big Beck guy. I have never agreed with anyone about everything. Not even my better half.
Hillary claims to be a modern progressive. [ancient or modern, both seem to have the same foundation]
I haven't heard Obama openly describe himself as a progressive. But I have heard him say "my progressive friends" far too many times, in far too comfy a way. Moreover, his history, and the people that he surrounds himself with, paint a very clear picture.
If one were to always be around clean cut, church going folks, then that person would be assumed to be like those folks. If someone were to be frequently seen in barrooms & clubs, what would you assume of them? If I have been noticed to be in the company of drug users/dealers, what would you expect of me?
ALL progressives are just that~~"useful idiots" of the communist/marxist movement, that is, the bottom rung of the progressives, those at the top ARE hardcore communists/marxists. You need to get your head out of the sand…………………..Hanzo
America is rising for the better and here is why:
http://patriotupdate.com/stories/read/2514/VIDEO-...
America is rising for the better and here is why:
http://patriotupdate.com/stories/read/2514/VIDEO-...
America is rising for the better and here is why:
http://patriotupdate.com/stories/read/2514/VIDEO-...
Jesus said he would send us a comforter. The truth will win in the end. It is just a long trip.
Media no longer matters. The truth is out there, if it wasn't Glenn and his crew doing all the footwork, it would (hopefully) been someone else. That being said, thank GOD for Glenn Beck. They can deny all they want, but many of us knew the truth. Now many more know. Hillary and her ilk at media matters will pretend that she never said she considered herself a modern Progressive, they'll tweek their name, and try once again to blend into the shadows, but it will not work this time. As for George Soros, you evil prick, you are not long for this Earth, the sooner Satan calls you home the better.
Good to see someone mentioning Margeret Sanger. Planned parenthood hails Sanger as a hero, championing "reproductive rights" for women, instead of the statist, cold blooded killer she wished to be. Eugenics is the very reason she wanted to make abortion legal and available on demand. I scoff at the idea she wanted to make abortion legal for the health of expectant women, she wanted to forcefully sterilize them!
As for Glen Beck, when it comes to exposing the truth about progressives, He is RIGHT on, the liberal msm is LEFT out………………..Hanzo
Yeah, they won't admit the KKK was a CHRISTIAN organization, either. These neocons are a hoot.
Or mikatollah, or syntaxgame, or the fonz, or dhasselhoff?…………………….. Hanzo
FOX has a religious philosophy? Look what the cat drug in, it stinks too……………..Hanzo
Don't try to shock us by saying 1 thing that makes sense. Any ideology that is faithfully followed by its adherents can be considered a "religion". Just look at Global Warming, Environmentalism, etc., etc.
…………………….Hanzo
A "clownish figure"? What's wrong with his injection of humor into his program? His former occupation was as a comedian, afterall…………………… Hanzo
Expose the Progressive agenda: http://www.havearoach.com (Not what it sounds like)
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The left gets to deny because they write the history books. They can't convince on facts and truth. Climate change creeps are now defining humans as CO2 excreting pollution machines. They're fraudulent cheaters.
Thanks Glenn, for exposing the creepy neo-fascists who lie about their creepy non-accomplishments and historical failures which they are determined to repeat.
Disturbing was the statement by George Bernard Shaw: "people should come before a panel to justify their existence every 5 years".
We essentially heard the same sentiment as the "end of life counseling" requirements proposed as a law by Pelosi and Obama — creepy dangerous.
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Also on the White House Visitor List………
I will preface the following statements: I am not a progressive or liberal troll. But I question WHY Beck and the rest of the gang at FOX NEVER SEEM TO REPORT ANYTHING INVOLVING THE KNOWN LINKS BETWEEN BHO AND THE UAE / SAUDI "ROYAL" FAMILY. And there is that little miss nobody at FOX seems to want to talk about: THE BOW TO THE SAUDI ROYAL? That picture does not seem to make the BECK BLACKBOARDS?
Could it be BECK pounds on the China MAU – WH – Communist "story" because it serves as a juicy distract [in a big way] from the really troubling "story" BHO's direct link to UAE?
And then there is that other problem for Beck. He screams daily "question…question…question" but then takes a sudden u-turn by promoting that your a crazy when you question: BHO+POTUS+NBC=UNKNOWN/EXECUTIVE ORDER? Beck, like his phony-crony partners in crime OReilly and FOX are nothing more than highly paid distractions so that the right does not focus on the connections between BHO, MCCain, Soros and the UAE. Just follow the money, Saudi family just increased its ownership stake in the Murdock empire.
Its all enough at this point to make a tax paying legal US citizen like myself just down-right done with it all; done with Democrats, done with Republicans, done with MSM. Just done with them all. lets hope the alternatives like Breitbart and others are/stay clean/clear from these ilk scumbags.
Speaking of clueless
The notion that Master Race theory got it start in 20th century Eugenics is moronic. It is instead to be traced back to the linquistic work with discovered language families and then ranked them. This goes far back into the early nineteenth century and has German and French Roots
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_race
He restated his opposition to this method in 1888 in his essay Biographies of words and the home of the Aryas.[10]
Müller was responding to the development of racial anthropology, and the influence of the work of Arthur de Gobineau who argued that the Indo-Europeans represented a superior branch of humanity. A number of later writers, such as the French anthropologist Vacher de Lapouge in his book L'Aryen, argued that this superior branch could be identified biologically by using the cephalic index (a measure of head shape) and other indicators. He argued that the long-headed "dolichocephalic-blond" Europeans, characteristically found in northern Europe, were natural leaders, destined to rule over more "brachiocephalic" (short headed) peoples."
American Eugenicists simply picked up on this "scientific theory" from the Germans who were pioneers in all of these areas.
BTW the Germans did not historically call Indo-European that, instead they called in Indo-Germanic and held the belief that the original Arya or master race had its origins in N.Germany/S. Scandinavia and that every departure from the Nordic Ideal represented degeneration from the pure stock.
Racial Anthropology is not an American development, full stop. Nazi racial theory rose out of a toxic stew of this rind of 'scientific' study were it was thought you could determine face definitively by measuring facial and skull features that blended with centuries of anti-Semitism to end up producing the Holocaust.
Trying to pin the whole thing on Margaret Sanger and Planned Parenthood is somewhere between paranoid schizophrenia and an attempt to attack women's rights to contraseptives
You're the man!!! Thank you Cowboy logic!!!
Look at Cowboy Logic's response!
Couldn't have said it better!!!
Is there really a KKK today? Over the past decade or so, I have heard of only one group saying they were members. It was only a few people. And I wouldn't really call that number a 'clan'. If they are out there, then they are quiet and not really doing much of anything [thankfully].
After watching this program on Friday, I couldn't wait to see the left's attacks. Go Glen!!!! : )
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
I Agree totally!
On more than one occasion I have found myself thinking "the loonies are running the asylum"
Sorry to hear about your grandfather.
That isn't something for those on the left to grab and run with.
It will only trip them up. Anyone can own stock in FOX (NewsCorp), even you.
It is simply a fact of business.
Prince Alaweed is an astute investor.
He told Virkram Pandit of Citigroup last week it was time to deliver. Deliver now, not next year.
He also came out and said, in tactful diplomatic language that he did not put much faith in the Obama Administration. The world waits, while the clock ticks.
Business and politics makes strange bedfellows.
Alaweed is a Saudi Arab, owning stock in FOX.
He and the other Jewish FOX investors have all made money on Rupert Murdoch.
I COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT BETTER! WATCH!
And while ya'll run around chasing your tails, there is an elephant sitting in your living room: NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. The U.S. Constitution is “black and white”, no gray matter [ambiguity] whatsoever. BHO, in his own written word, acknowledged his father was NOT ever a U.S. Citizen; thus, like CA Gov Arnold, he IS NOT ELIGIBLE TO BE PRESIDENT. The governing allowed it, the [so-called free-] press allowed it. BECK-boy and his kind at FOX have not only allowed it they have enabled it to continue until this dates. AND YES, the electorate has allowed this LIE to continue to this day. Do you think those in the middle-east do not know this truth? http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/01/12/his-name-i...
UAE continues bring in BILLIONS on the back of the U.S. dimwits: He who REMAINS silent CONSENTS.
Unfortunately, the responses here only prove the sad truth of Beck — a raging homophobe and elitist manipulator, interested in nothing more than power and cooking the geese that idolize him.
You guys have TOTALLY misunderstood history. Jewish Nazis? Black Klansman? How about Glynnis Beck marrying Russian Limbaugh? How about financing corporate spending with middle class taxation (this is known properly as Socialism)?
You are so whipped up by words you'sd as soon hang your own kith and kin.
Much saddness.
It's simple believe it or not. America is the REAL ISRAEL, NOT JUDAH!
Does anyone else see a conflict between a limited government and the abortion issue? I know it all comes down to to idea of when does a person exists per Roe v. Wade but how can government justify limiting a woman's right to control what is growing inside her body and still remain limited. The government should stay out of our bedrooms as well as out of our pockets. The anti-abortion groups should use education to end abortion not governmental intervention. I fear that if the anti-abortion people hijack the tea party movement it will become a statist institution just like the GOP.
I AGREE ABOUT FINDING OUT WHY(?)!
This is an attempt by the right wing fringe to define Progressives as a right wing fringe movement… it makes no sense. Only the weakest students of history would accept that the American Progressive movement had anything to do with Nazis or the klan.
The American Progressive movement had its start in the middle of the 19th century. It was a reaction to industrialism and the plight of workers. They also advocated for the abolition of slavery and for better treatment of mental patients and prisoners. Later they would reject a burgeoning movement of Social Darwinism and support antitrust legislation.
In the 20th century they advocated women's suffrage and prohibition. They supported child labor laws and civil rights. They pushed for the social safety nets that came out of the Depression. After WWII they supported racial integration of military units.
In short, the Progressive movement in this country is exactly the opposite of what this guy Andrew Marcus would like you to believe.
The progressives will try something yet, believe me!
Anyone concerned with this topic needs to see this video on Progressive Margaret Sanger, mother of planned parenthood, whose goal was to open most her abortion clinics in black neighborhoods to prevent their numbers from growing and deal with "the negro problem". She called for getting rid of charity to the poor, to let them die out. She praised the Nazis, and believed that 'morons, idiots" and any one with disabilities should be put down and or sterilized.
"We don't want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the negro population" – Margaret Sanger
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEja-1emRic
WHO COULD BE SURPRISED? She's the dumb one, NOT HER HUSBAND!
Comparing Progressives to Nazis and the klan… I don't think even you believe that gary.
I AGREE, BUT NEVER UNDER ESTIMATE THEIR CURRENT POWER!
The media can do whatever they can…however, the people that count, have already been educated by Glenn Beck…they can try, but they can't take him down!!!
How many of those people out there were hating big oil, because their leaders & pundits were bashing big oil, yet had their savings/retirement funds owning a lot of big oil stocks?
So why then does the "right" continue to allow the BHO COVER-UP in Hawaii DOH to continue to this date?
BREITBART…PLEASE CONSIDER AN EXCLUSIVE ABOUT THE DOH. THANK YOU.
If you continue to remain SILENT; then you CONSENT!
http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/01/10/red-flags-...
http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/01/12/his-name-i...
http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/01/16/citizens-h...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnL9nDX-x48&fe...
Right? Left? Middle? Who cares. Do you pay taxes? Do you care about the U.S. Constitution. Then do something that will save this sinking ship before it is too late:
Petition to the Hawaii Government to release Obama’s Vital Records. FULL TEXT OF PETITION:
http://www.thepostemail.com/2009/12/26/petition/
I love humor-it even makes me laugh sometimes.
THIS IS A MUST READ: http://mises.org/etexts/rootofevil.asp
READ ABOUT THE REVOLUTION OF 1913 TOO! http://oll.libertyfund.org/?option=com_staticxt&a...
The right had some success in defining the word "liberal" in unflattering terms. Just like they were able to associate Progressives with communists in the 1920s.
This is another attempt to smear lies about a movement you can't defeat at the polls. Our nation's history is the history of progress. We have defeated you at ever major junction and this will be no different. In the end we always win… and that is why you are so angry.
Thank you!! I posted this on my facebook!!! LET FREEDOM RING!!
I cannot read that sludge. It is like in the movies where the good people turn away their eyes from some bright evil figure that is out to destroy them.
Dennis, I'm sorry for you. And I'm sure that you are not alone! I bet 60 minutes will not touch this Holocaust!
Right, let's get at the root of all evil. Get rid of Christianity?
It sounds like your "Happy Days" have been limited or maybe you know something I don't. In any case try and stay focused, this article is genius.
CAUTION: FASCISM AND MARXISM ARE NO DIFFERENT IN REALITY!
The progressives are CURRENTLY exterminating babies in the United States. The progressives are the group behind abortions.
Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood, was a progressive. She called blacks and poor white people "human weeds". She was part of the eugenics group behind Hitler and all "good" progressives.
Murdered (Hitler) —— 6million
Murdered (Stalin/Lenin) —– 50million
ABORTION (US) ——————————– 60 MILLION babies have been MURDERED in the US since 1973
Murdered (Pol Pot) ———- 2 million
Murdered (Mao) ———- 70 million
With the eugenics believing progressives help, the US is going to take over Mao's lead.
Great question! Let's not ask it. That is what is wrong with the conservative base. We let them frame the argument all of the time. Just keep on calling them what they are. If the other side always gets to set the rules, it is a much harder battle to fight & win. If we set the rules, life will be good.
Where do you come up with this stuff? Progressives can only operate in an environment of free speech. Without it they would be as powerless today as they were in Hitler's Germany. To suggest that any of us want to silence you is to ignore the real history of the Progressive movement.
Universal health care has always been a goal of Progressives and should not have come as a shock to anyone here.
PS: It's about POWER AND CONTROL!
Let's wake up folks, otherwise the image of Che will be the next one to go on Mt. Rushmore.
Armies and navies have not been able to defeat our country, but text books are sure kicking our ass.
I did click on to the page about the Black book. He says in the introduction that Sanger was not a racist or an anti Semite, then goes on to later quote her saying racist things and naming all the racist and anti-Semite people she befriended. As the Spanish say, show me who your friends are, and I'll show you who you are.
Cherry-picking quotes out of context is a popular political tactic I see a lot on this list. And let's be clear, it is dishonesty at its worst. You think you can confuse the public into inaction and it works… for a while. But like all lies, it eventually gets found out.
Of course that is of little interest to you because by then you will be on to the next lie.
Glenn, may God bless you and keep you safe.
Sad so many are willing to follow the progressives ultimate goal of servitude. Is ignorance bliss?
Coincidence??? If it is, who cares. You are correct — creepy dangerous!
I fully support a woman's right to do with her body what she wishes…but that right ends where her unborn baby begins.
An unborn baby is a human being, with the same inherent rights as you and I.
NO MATTER WHAT, PROGRESSIVE MOVEMENT IS SCARY!
Good point! We never should have started calling it climate change….should have stuck with Global Warming…
Many of Obama's appointees follow the Marxist path, quoting Marx and Mao, praising Castro, etc. How would you classified them? Freedom loving?
Ya, "Planned Parenthood" even the name is deceiving.
What is "Planned" about it? The making or the MURDER of unborn children?
The problem with Progressive ideology is that their good intentions pave roads to Hell again and again, whether we're talking about the French Revolution, the Industrial unions, or the communists. Progressives to a decent job of identifying the flaws of the prevailing power structure and can do a decent job of tearing it down, but what they put in it's place always inevitably turns out badly if not horrifically. The final paragraph of Joshua Muravchik's book Heaven on Earth: The Rise and Fall of Socialism does an excellent job of summing up why Socialism (and all Progressive variants) will inevitably turn into a bad thing:
Remaking society requires coercion and, ultimately, force against those unwilling to go along with the program. It starts harmlessly enough with regulations and laws but ends with re-education camps and death camps. The French Revolution didn't start out with the Reign of Terror but inevitably wound up there.
To Muravchik's point, I'll add two others. Where socialism, collectivism, and the management by elites can be maintained for however long, it sucks the creativity and productivity from society because nobody is going to work as hard to fulfill the goals and wishes of others as they will to fulfill their own goals and wishes. And when you put an elite in charge, there is no way to guarantee that the elite will be motivated by a desire to do what's best by everyone else rather than to enrich and cater to themselves. The reason why democracies are better than monarchies, dictatorships, or any type of oligarchy is that there is no reliable way for such governments to guarantee that those who succeed the rulers will be good people even if they start out with good people at the helm.
"But Industrial Unionism was a good thing and helped to create the American Post-WW II Middle Class"
Horseshit. Red union propaganda
With apologies to I_madrift, those who fail to learn from history are doomed to vote Democrat.
Time to stop calling these people liberals. Call them Progressives – that's what they are. Then let them defend the indefensible actions of Progressives throughout the last 100 years. 100 million murdered in the name of "progress" and "the common good."
One of the points of history is so we can learn from our mistakes. As the saying goes, “Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it”. Whether you call it Progressive, Socialist, Fascist, Nazism or Communism, the results have all been the same. Complete failure and the deaths and misery of millions of people. And yet there are still people who believe that this time it will be different. This time it will be better. I’ve heard the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again while hoping for different results.
You speak of the supposed evils of the Catholic Church such as Inquisitions and torture. I don’t know how many times I’ve heard the argument of the Catholic’s did it too. Did the church make mistakes? Yes. The difference is that the Catholic Church has learned their history and has strived to be better. I have yet to hear the Catholic Church say this time, the Inquisition will work. Have you?
I'm too am glad to see Glenn Beck representing the Tea Party movement. He is the face I want the American people to see. Sarah Palin too. They are who I think of that best represents the party's ideas.
Right so, you love freedom, Andy Stern want people to be free to join whatever associations they choose, and do what labour they chose, and you are against him and everyone like him.
Why do you conservatards hate Freedom so much?
Fantastic argument Gary, it is so self-evident who the real racists are, that is why we are having a debate about it.
Self-evident means no need to argue about…
Please, for the sake of your families, get some help! It is clear that you people have some advanced form of dementia. I'll be praying for the lot of you.
Dunno, but on this site you get a lot of commenters linking to far-right hate sites, and Andrew Brietbart and thicko Jim Hoft often use weirdo, anti-American, anti-freedom hate sites like MassResistance as sources for their stories.
Then they complain bitterly that the mainstream media doesn't take them seriously. Then they turn this complaint itself into a story, about themselves, and then (hopefully) they finally disappear up their own internal contradictions…
Okay, @ your 2nd post:
The South is and always has been conservative, Roger that. South began to go Republican after Democrats made a hard left to Progressive ideals, sure-okay, I won't argue.
Back @ your 1st post:
You invoked the KKK and thereby racism then you laid it squarely in the conservative camp. My response to you was to debunk that claim and showed that oppression/racism belongs where it has always been–with the Democrats of yesterday and today. It was not changing the subject, it was a direct answer to you.
Furthermore, RE: "Since 1968 those KKKers WOULD PROBABLY HAVE BEEN Republicans"
Prove it! Post a link showing where you got the information that today's KKKers are card carrying registered Republicans and a major voting bloc! If you can't, it is nothing more than an inflammatory statement.
Disclosure: I'm a registered Independent.
That is ridiculous comparison. Fascism is nothing but despotic corporate socialism. And Communism is a bastardized concept of social ownership of the means of production under a dictator. Both are the opposite of the American Progressive movement.
You can't defeat what you can't even understand, and you clearly have accepted the lies.
Please link to an actual quote, it should be easy, since so "many" of his appointees follow the Marxist path.
Most "progressives" I've ever dealt with want the United States to "progress" to the condition of the USSR circa 1958.
Sorry David I don't understand. Do you want the government to ban abortion or do you accept Roe v. Wade as a reasonable compromise and rely on the pro-life groups to change the heart and minds of women? If you choose the former, then you are for big government. I feel very sad for the deaths of unborn babies but I think a government that can tell anyone what to do with their bodies is dangerous to everyone. What do you think?
And this coming from someone who accepts the "truth" that the Progressive movement had something to do with the klan…. hard to take you seriously.
Yes let's get back to the days when children were sent out to work at the age of 5 or 6, now.
Nazi is short for the National Socialist German Workers Party — doesn't sound very right-wing to me.
So Stalin and Hitler were Progressives?
Saying that is not bold, it is shear stupidity. Funny thing is, Glenn Beck knows better, but he is being well paid to spread this kind of partisan nonsense. You do it for free.
Ha ha, makes no sense because you have none. Come on ,mika, go back once again and read a couple history books, research the subject at hand, IN DEPTH before you make inane, silly comments.We know you are a far left moonbat, but could you attempt to make a cogent post at least ebery once in a while? ………… Hanzo
Good job Glenn beck
Open the dark side of progressive.
I would bet you that more right wingers what "Che" is than lefties… I had to look it up.
The Inquisition has been moved to Dick Cheney, David Yoo & Co
Yes, imaginary death threats, thousands of them.
Certainly much braver than any of the soldiers currently fighting real wars.
Do conservatards always go right over the top like this? "one of the bravest people in America" gosh! Bravely saying things on a television show, bravely supported by Australian multibilionaire Murdoch, best friend of the Saudi oil princes and kings, makes you so proud how he bravely speaks for, err, normal Americans.
Go back to Huffington!
Of course. Because EVERYONE who disagrees with you has to have some pathology…because normal people couldn't disagree with you.
"Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." — William F. Buckley Jr.
And if it is foreign it must be invaded! Quick make up some rubbish about truth having WMDs ready to go in 45 minutes, and let's invade truth!
I think they should make it illegal for abortion to be used as 'birth control'…there has to be a limit somewhere!
Just as Ed schultz and Barney Frank, oh, sorry forgot Keith Olbernut and Rachel Madcow. The true face of your hallowed progressive/statist/liberal movement. Let's not forget you, mika, and the contributions you make for the netroot movement as well ……………………. Hanzo
I saw several Democrats post on blogs one word that Obama used in his robocall endorsement of Coakley that made them decide to vote for Brown. Obama said Coakley epitomized the PROGRESSIVE candidate that MA needed. Sensible Democrats want nothing to do with the radical Progressive agenda. BHO is doing a great job of sending them running.
Sound, logical reasoning as always there Obummer.
Don't work out what you believe on your own, simply follow what you are told on the TV.
Communism is a "bastardized concept of social….blah blah"? Damnit, somebody usurped communism and progressivism and made them look bad? We need to see reality and realise these "movements" are truly virtuous, right mika? Oh, wait a minute, I think I feel a "movement" coming on right now, might be a communist or a progressive, brb, must go to the bathroon to rid myself of this "movement"
………. Hanzo
Who is your god?
Useful idiots are AKA: Dangerously Naive Clowns (DNC)
their problem is that they lead with their emotions rather than their brains, gets you into trouble every time
I truly doubt that Glenn can expose anything, much less the truth. He is more of a hack performer, skilled at manipulatiing the unchallenging masses looking for an easy target to blame.
American "Progessivism" flourished between 1880 and 1920. It's adherents, like Sinclair Lewis, exposed fraud, corruption and scandal in governemment and business — Child labor, unsanitary meat packing, disease an over-crowding in city ghettoes were exposed and corrected by Progressive activists. Progressives enabled women to vote in this country (they had not been allowed to vote until the 19th ammendment was established.
Progressives also enacted the 18th ammendment (Prohibition).
I think the best solution would be to return the issue to each State to decide. The Federal government has no business in reproduction.
"… I think a government that can tell anyone what to do with their bodies is dangerous to everyone." Especially, since Roe v.Wade, the bodies of the unborn.
Don't all human beings have rights?
I see Ayatollah Mike is back…He is the only one that tells the truth,
and he is the only one that knows anything! NOT!!
He evidentally was away getting his spoon fed talking points from
the "progressives"….He is someone to be taken with a grain of
salt, and to be taken as a joke!…..ROFL
They've already started to refer to themselves as populists.
We are dealing with a group whose name is really called – Progressive.
They sometimes switch their name to – Democrat or Liberal – to hide themselves, but this group is really called ——–PROGRESSIVE.
This Progressive group believe in EUGENICS.
The healthcare bill has the Progressive stink all over it.
The healthcare bill will allow the government to LEGALLY EXTERMINATE whoever it deems. The Progressive dream.
By this absurd piece of "logic", the Nazis and Communists must have been preaching the ultimate truth…
Who's trying to rewrite history…?
Preachers preach, I just state my point of view because I enjoy the right of freedom of speech. If you don't like my point of view, that's fine. But if your going to try and comment on my point of view, with another point of view, at least make sure it's relevant to the argument.
Save me the mightier than thou garble…Honestly…Do you have a point?
Wow if Glenn Beck says progressives were responsible for 100 million dead it must be true, he sure is one never to distort information to support his ideological agenda by baselessly linking today's left wing with Stalinists, and Maoists and Nazis (Hey National Socialist! must be the same as Obama), disregarding any other historical determinants whatsoever
When the Obama administration starts executing dissenters in mass amounts I'll be with you
Until then, WTF??
How about Ron Bloom?
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/10/20/video-time-...
Gray is not a color; Grey IS…
Who remembers it was Bill Clinton who signed the repeal of Glass-Stegall that created the 'free-for-all' in the financial markets that followed. The CRA (community reinvestment act), another dem idea threw out the risk assessment the banks did on loans and made them available to all,,,with no money down!!!! If you take something of value and give it away for free, it gets abused!!! This is "HUMAN NATURE 101". Apply this to the idea of Health Care, Welfare, Un-employment,,, Every one of them becomes a tragic accident waiting to happen. Guess what,,,the accident happened, This economy is the result, more of the same will only make it worse.
This site basically makes up stories about who has been on the visitor list anyway. And rightwingtards believe it, later realising how stupid they have been to trust Briebart and co who have extreme difficultly with reading.
Gary, a Progressive is one who truely believes that the end justifies the means-even if it means eliminating human beings who seem inferior in order to "progress" to a more effective and socialistic society.
If you totally understand everything, please enlighten us. It is counterproductive to call us names.
Gosh. You make me really want to join your side. Had I realized how loving and tolerant you were, I would have long ago.
Glenn Beck is very brave. He has my admiration.
No, they're still your problem. Only now instead of overt repression, the tactics have changed to ignorance served up as public education, slavery through welfare dependence, and genocide under the name of pro-choice. 400,000 black children a year aborted. lets see, 36 years X 400K, that's 14 MILLION minorities killed. Why Hitler, Goebbels, and Sanger would be so proud of the work you progressives have done.
"many" = "more than one"
and
"We Kinda Agree With Mao That Political Power Comes Largely From The Barrel Of A Gun"
does not equal
"I wholeheartedly agree with everything Hitler, Mao, and Stalin have ever said"
have another go
Lets not overlook the OBVIOUS. THE POINT IS, PROGRESSIVISM THEORETICALLY IS A GREAT IDEA. key words THEORETICALLY/IDEA.
Socialism/Communism are tools for the Thugs to enslave men. All roads lead to enslavement. I can point out countless examples of actions and regulations brought by MODERN PROGRESSIVES that have done nothing less than enslave the masses. Maybe you think the use of mercury filled light bulbs replacing light bulbs that have worked well for over one hundred years in the name of saving the planet is a good idea. Until a major part of the populace start coming down with mercury poisioning, and the fish and water ways are polluted with mercury. The ideas of Progressivism, in a nut shell, lets reinvent the wheel. It isnt broken but lets fix it. Manufacture a crisis and then seize control. Your post sounded somewhat intelligent until the last sentence.
PROGRESSIVISM DEFIES THE MOST BASIC TENET OF NATURE, DARWIN —-NATURAL SELECTION, SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST. 2010 Progressivism DOES equal FACISM. THE ENVIRONMENTAL MOVEMENT PROVIDES BOUNTIFUL ILLUSTRATIONS.
PLEASE REFUTE THOSE FACTS.
Hee, hee, you win First Troll Alert!
Go way, little person, your brain might explode from the truth!
no Sallysays2 – completely wrong.
A Consequentialist is someone who believes the end justifies the means.
e.g – "We should torture anyone, innocent or guilty, if there is a slight chance they are a bit muslim."
The Progressives in the United States use the government to get the results they want.
1. Make abortions legal…. accomplished. 60 MILLION babies have been murdered (exterminated) in the US since 1973
2. Make the government control cradle to grave health of everyone in the US………. almost accomplished.
The government will be able to determine who is worthy of living. This will result in GOVERNMENT SELECTIVE LEGAL EXTERMINATION. A Progressive dream come true.
The Progressives are almost there…. they can taste the control of everyone's life. That is why Obama is beside himself, they are almost there.
Second troll alert! Hmmmm, did you even read the article??? Especially this link???
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You need to do more research – your ignorance is showing. Some of us are old enough to remember how things were – You've been scammed, buddy. Does the term "useful idiot" register with you?
Conservtards, there's no such thing, just libtards as represented by
you and the Ayatollah!
Don't worry, Murdoch will find him a nice house in Australia, or maybe just outside Mecca, one of his Saudi friends will organise it for him.
The radical left is counting on the ignorance of the people to further their agenda of Progressive Socialism. It is up to us to read all we can about Socialism, Marxism, Nazism, etc to understand just what is happening. THis generation of young people were never taught about all the genocide, mass murders, etc, because they didn't live it. I lived during the time of Mao and Hitler. I know it is all true. I learned about Marxism in HIgh School. They weren't afraid to teach it then. Don't kill the messenger. Educate yourselves.
No, it's your side that lumps everyone together. Conservatives take one person at a time, not groups of people. And, that's what Beck has done. One person at a time and then he asks the Administration if that person is representative of how they think. So far, silence. That silence is damning.
And, you, are the "tard" here – oops, I thought you "progressives" had banned that word, too!
Yes beck is the holy spirit – utterly wingnut comment there from the Christian apocalyptic society member.
What's that stupid stuff you lot believe about Israel again? Once all the Jews get back there, it's rapture time, or something equally mental like that? No wonder you have so many paedophiles in the Christian and Catholic hierarchy.
I would ignore these two libs, they no doubt were sent here
by one of the liberal blogs to defend the undefendable!
Why are you even commenting if you can't be bothered to read past the first few words?
of course a narcissist like yourself would think we are interested in your bowel movements
Looks like the Ayatollah brought a playmate with him…..lol
Ahhh yes, note to trolls from Huff Ho: Trolling 101;" When confonted with historical facts resort to ad hominem attacks in an attempt to deviate from the subject matter at hand.DO NOT try to present your case in a lucid or sentient manner, as the logic of no logic holds no credence at all.Veer from all rational discourse as it in no way helps the cause of trolls everywhere. Proceed post haste to mommy's basement to enjoy kool-aid and A$$CORN kookies and updates of the latest talking points from HuffHo and our sisters-in-arms;Kos and Daily Beast." Job well done, ms. troll.If you wish to actually discredit or refute my statement, I'll be here……………………… Hanzo
True that. They're probably wearing their Che t-shirts.
Whereas his owners, and Australian called Murdoch and some Saudi Arabian oil princes and kings (major NewsCorp shareholders), can silence Beck whenever they wish.
Enjoying that freedom Beck?
good argument idahogal, oh wait, there wasn't one, as usual
Try thinking for yourself IdahoGal – you have of course, read that book yourself I assume?
What's on page 43 half way down?
I wonder if Murdoch and the Saudi princes think you are a pretty useful idiot too.
"Right so, you love freedom, Andy Stern want people to be free to join whatever associations they choose, and do what labour they chose, and you are against him and everyone like him."
gacomputers- I will translate on a more elementary level for your benefit. Please re-read everything I wrote including, but not limited to "I respect anyone who puts in an honest day's work for fair compensation- regardless of whether they belong to a union or not." Comprende?
Andy Stern is a socialist/Marxist who only wants to collect union dues and has no regard for the rank and file members of SEIU.
And if you think I hate freedom, you must be a LIBTARD Marxist, a racist or both. Now out of here.
Yeah, like Roman Polanski, oops, he's a progressive, isn't he? Once again, you only expose yourself as a mentally challenged buffoon, with no facts or basis in reality to form the foundation of your point, that's right, they are merely "talking points", moron…………………. Hanzo
You didn't ask for "many", you asked for "one" –
" Please link to an actual quote . . ."
" an " = one
If you're losing an argument, just change the parameters. A typical progressive tactic.
"Give me an example".
" OK, give me another example"
This argument is all just a distraction. It is intuitively obvious that the neo-progressive agenda is harmful. Whether or not it is as ruthless and harmful as progressives of the past is a moot point. Either way, it needs to be defeated, and therefore the task before us is to get on with that work in the 2010 election cycle. We need to clean out the House by getting good candidates through the primaries this year, and hopefully also get enough good Senate candidates to transform the Senate too. The goal isn't to flip them both to a Republican majority, but rather to defeat the progressive agenda and restore commitment to limited government and accountability to the voters for more than just pork deliveries.
I’m sorry Mik, and I thought we were friends! : ( What? You just wake up in the 57th state and thought, I know I’ll stir the puddin…cool!
Since this is the “conversation” you’re into today. No Mik, you’re stupid, and display your statist “progressive/”””LEFTIST””” tendencies daily, (notice the emphasis on leftist) and yes indeed Stalin, Hitler, Mao where all socialist-progressive-leftist. Embrace your legacy.
Can't see any historical facts in your post, only an argument of the form
ALL x are Y
"ALL progressives are just that~~"useful idiots" of the communist/marxist movement…"
you said it, it's your subject matter.
Why not, like IdahoGal, be a proper conservative and "take one person at a time"?
Andrew Marcus, thanks for the great post. you have the trolls in an
uproar!!…rofl, and that is a good sign that your telling the truth, Ya
know they can't handle that…Afterall, they only know the truth from
the left-wing blogs, left-wing tv stations, left-wing literature, and a
lying President they worship, and his lying administration….You
did a great job of pressing their buttons!!
You should learn to disagree without being disagreeable.
"Certainly braver than any of the soldiers currently fighting real wars"? Ha ha ha ha ha….as if you support or admire our Military men and women. Remember 1 of your planks as a member of the liberal/progressive movement? Emasculate the military, show nothing but hate and vitriol for any patriotic citizen who wishes to serve their country.You are a world class dumbass, showing not even a modicum of sense, or intellect, for that matter.Truly a sad, pathetic little person…………………….Hanzo
We will have to continue to expose their ulterior motives & frequently remind everyone how unpopular their anti american agenda really is.
Wait, the Catholic Church with all the paedophiles in it, is better than it was before?
Perhaps if they had been a bit more inquisitive, about their own staff members, they could be said to be getting better.
See, there again, old mikatollah can make a point without name calling and Hanzo just can't help himself.
I do enjoy Rachel Maddow and Keith Olbermann.
Us progressives and some conservatives have been debating which ideology these dictators truly espouse over at Media Matters. I'll post some of it:
Conservative: What did Glenn say that was substantively wrong. You can call him names all you want, but he did not state one thing that was not factually true.
Me: This is what Beck essentially did – universal health care (a good thing to support) equals the curbing of speech and privacy rights, war, torture, death and execution, racism, xenophobia, etc. Tell me which one of those things conservatives don't support.
He says expanded government leads to these things but as we all know that's false. The democratic governments in all those places were dissolved and replaced with dictatorships. Dictators want the people to follow their brand of morality or face severe consequences. That's a conservative mindset (conservatives in this country want to replace the Construction with the Bible and force people to follow their brand of morality or else). Also, police powers and prison populations tend to expand during republican administrations. As more prisons are being built, republicans need to increase the power of law enforcement agencies and institute Draconian legislation in order to fill prison cells.
Finally, what all these dictators have in common is their paranoia – everyone and everything is out to get them and they must suppress. Conservatives see boogie men everywhere and are stacking up their guns to, I guess, kill those who they think are a threat.
Communism runs contrary to human nature and was doomed from the start. All we had to do was let it collapse under it's own weight.
Spare us your toilet stories.
It’s okay for a “progressive liberal” to call a conservative a NAZI with impunity, when the converse of that statement is the truth. But hey, never let facts get in the way of a “leftist progressive” diatribe.
It’s kinda cool how “progressive liberal” or “liberal progressive,” are so interchangeable, just sayin.
What a load of dribble – we want to replace the construction with the bible?! Where do you people think up this crap?
One of the most cogent posts I've read here! Thank you!
You first!
Sorry Hanzo, you can't have it both ways.
Either it's a good thing that the state employs people and supplies services, like soldiers and police and doctors and nurses, or it's a bad thing.
I think it's a good thing that the state provides services like security and health care. I support those who work for the government, in any role, military, social, administrative, whatever.
You only support those in military roles. Can you explain the discrepancy in your reasoning?
Without the longwinded character analysis, if possible please…
Republican women don't vote for women.
Women in general have favored the Democrat in every national race since Reagan.
Check out the new version of"Mmm Mmm Mmm Barack Hussein Obama' at: http://www.myspace.com/rogerweber
You'll get a laugh!
It''s worth noting that the Nazi's were also known as the Democratic Socialist Party. (Not the Republican Party) and that the KKK was mostly comprised of Southern Democrats.
-James in Texas
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The reason why that was so is that the Democrats ran the South but that's besides the point – the South was racist and it didn't matter if you were a Democrat or republican.
I don't think it's the case that Beck believes this is our future. So much history has been erased or revised and I think he's trying to help the folks that didn't have Alinsky as their college hero, like Hillary or Obama, play catchup. There's always a threat, though, as that old axiom will always be true; those who are ignorant of history are doomed to repeat it. And seeing that Progressivism has the rejection of God,the truth that our freedoms come from God and that they believe government is responsible for doling out our 'rights' in common with leftist world movements of the past, there is justifiable cause for concern.
Sometimes the truth hurts.
Progressives . . . I feel your pain.
You trolls are beyond ridiculous. If you cared about people taking you seriously you could, if you could bear the strain, try using facts, logic and reason. Otherwise your flame will always be disregarded.
The last I heard, Beck has a website and millions of followers. As the great Paul Harvey used to remind: "You can't un-ring a bell".
Uhh, discrepancy in reasoning? Try again. You shouldn't go off your meds before trying to post. Care to point out my "driscepancy in reasoning"?You support the military? Then you aren't a progressive, or a liberal, for all that matter, just a psychotic numbnut………………… Hanzo
More history revision. The Spanish Inquisition was secular and, while a few corrupt clergy were involved, was not sanctioned by the Vatican. Yes, Jesus said "I will be with you always". He never said "and you won't do stupid things from time to time". Evil done in the name of religion is still evil, from evil for the sake of evil. God knows how to deal with those who abuse His name.
errrrr, why shouldn't a worker be FREE to join Andy Stern's union and give him dues?
you respect their right to give their own money to whoever they please, or don't you? Very simple question….
SEIU is something I have intimate knowledge of, having been a member for 40 years. I had to belong to the union to work where I worked and I confess I never paid much attention to the union until 1986 when, during a strike, we learned our local president had sent our strike fund to a pet cause of his in Ireland!
Our local became engaged in a battle for the leadership of our union and I learned all about election stealing because they had to let us in on the secret in order to combat the SEIU tactics. There were days I feared for my life because we were combatting real thugs who carried illegal weapons into the room where we were overseeing the counting of votes.
After that, I paid attention and I came to understand the purpose of the Union – to keep everyone pretty much the same. Protect the bad employee at the expense of the good employee. Being on the technical side, it was disconcerting to find that the union didn't care as much about our issues because "we were highly paid." Hello, I paid the same union dues as the housekeeper, why couldn't I get my issues addressed? Overall, a thoroughly distasteful experience.
You're out of your league here, little person. Go back to Kos.
" Is a Jewish Progressive any different than a Jewish Nazi? If so, how?
Is a black Progressive any different than a black Klansman? If so, how? "
Is a "modern progressive" (aka Hillary Clinton) any different than an enemy of the Constitution? If so how?
last I heard, websites don't make much money unless they have someone on the TV to promote them all the time.
Just as progressivism fell out of favor once, and will again. Feeling emblodened because you have another fellow jerk to support your fallacies today, mika?The toilet stories are an apt description of your "ideology', that's were it belongs, or in the ash bin of history, which is where progressivism will end up. Have a nice day!……………………Hanzo
We can still call it global warming…I do!!…Let's not play into
their hand!
My progressivism comes out of my Christian belief – I am not willing to swallow every item spoken of as progressive because of that. I support the balanced approach of Catholic Social Teaching. Pro-Life, Pro-Poor, Pro-Labor; Pro-Justice; Pro-Peace. As such, I find no real home in left or right. A Christian will be out of place in either movement. That is one reason why I blog here as well as on left-wing sites. The quest to determine right-action is found within the context of conflict – "iron sharpens iron". I do not believe in just hanging out with people like myself. And I do not believe that anyone should ever totally believe their own propaganda. As Glen Beck says, "Question with Boldness".
Grow up, sheep. Try being an individualist and quit looking to PEOPLE to lead you.
Notice the hysterical troll action coming from the 57th state. Their sacred trademark “progressive” must not be tarnished. By the response, it tells me that it needs to remain under attack, and just like liberal, will soon be a pejorative in the USA. What a great add for 2010, “leftist progressives and their heroes of the past and present.”
You still haven't provided "an" example yet!
When someone says "there are many such examples of this…." it should be easy to come up with at least one that is rock solid.
Several words and links later, and we're still waiting for one, never mind many.
"When the Obama administration starts executing dissenters in mass amounts I'll be with you
Until then, WTF??"
Yeah, that's what they said in Russa, China, Germany, Venezuela, North Korea, Cuba, Iran, Iraq, Japan, Italy…They didn't see it coming either……need I go on?
Your post was quite thoughtful until the last line. Why are you afraid of contradiction? A strong person knows that "Iron sharpens Iron" and one is always shaped not only by your political friends but by your enemies as well.
On your main point – if you looked into it you would find many people who struggle for internal democracy within unions — while at the same time when the rights of working people to organize is threatened from the outside will close ranks and defend Labor.
The historical facts have been laid out in a completely cognizant matter in the article at the begining of this thread. Surely you know the history of your own progressive movement? With pioneers such as Margaret Sanger, et al? Or did you not even read the above article to begin with? All you can sputter is ALL x are y, ALL x are y, quite the drone you are………. Hanzo
This guy is living on a different planet, or possibly in a parallel dimension, and for life of me, I can't figure out how he got here……it worries me.
John Wilkes Booth was a DEMOCRAT!
Are you talking about me? The site is called intense debate and I'm simply pointing out the resemblance of the right-wingers in America to the most brutal regimes in history.
Sorry, you seem to be unable to understand the underlying argument me and Bohemond are having. So you respond with an ad hominem.
This is Bohemond's argument, in a non-polemicised way:
"Industrial Unionism, indeed all unionism, is morally wrong and has contributed nothing to the rise of the american middle class"
my counter argument:
"Industrial unionism is at least partly responsible for a great moral good, which is that children of age 5 cannot be forced to work any more, as they could in the very recent past (turn of the century)"
Why don't you try to engage with the argument, Weedmoron? Or are you too dumb to even appreciate there is an argument, and prefer to comment about comments instead of arguments?
wow can you be any more delusional. Andy stern is about freedom like nancy pelosi is about honesty and integrity. Andy Stern Quote: "If the power of persuasion fails then use the persuasion of power" Seems to contradict your statement that he wants you to join whatever association you want doesn't it or am I smearing him by using his own words against him? Ask yourself what is the persuasion of power. what do those words mean to you?
You don't identify yourself as a netroot? Mika dosen't engage in name calling? Quite the innocent you are, eh? Make me laugh………………….. Hanzo
Since Huffington was mentioned…I wish that woman would
blow her nose..lol….She sounds like she hasn't blown it in
a long time……yuck!!
Yes. The religious conservatives want to replace the Constitution with the Bible and have all of us follow their brand of morality.
You didn't read my post? I came over from Media Matters.
Bookman4FR states, "but one thing that you have forgotten is that good things can come from a stupid or evil tree." I have to profoundly disagree. Jesus said, "For a good tree does not bear bad fruit, nor does a bad tree bear good fruit" (Luke 6:43).
Nothing was secular at the time of the Inquisition. The Catholic church was the most powerful entity in the known world, to excuse the Inquisition as the fault of secularism is anachronistic, if not just plain stupid.
It does seem to be a game at times. Like Olbermann, who continually slams the elitists wars, works for a company partly owned by GE, who aids and abets the "war effort". Such hypocrites. We have got to start thinking for ourselves. Though Beck is getting out some important information, there is a danger in drinking the koolaid on the right, just as on the left. He does offer comments against the right, but working for FOX, he might not be able to say what he really wants to about some subjects. Does he ever talk about these imperial wars the US has gotten the poor slobs of this country into? On the whole, I like Beck. However, it is imperative to scrutinize anyone and everyone. I don't want to fall into the trap of setting anyone up on a pedestal. This is how things get seriously messed up.
I don't know…am I?
Exactly. Now you make more sense. G. K. Chesterton believed in a Catholic "third way" which sounds okay on the surface. The problem is that we can't, and shouldn't force anything on a free society. We can fight against injustice, though. We must pick and choose our battles wisely with a comprehensive assessment of those with whom we align ourselves. That being said, the U. S. Constitution is inspired by God, respected by the Pope and is the best governing document ensuring freedom to ever exist. Yes, question with boldness who is truly the friend of freedom and the enemy of Christ who wants all to be Truly free. All He asks is that we make a choice. Let's pray, meditate and hope our choices align with His will.
Well,mika, fact is you engaged in attacks the very first time you ever responded to one of my posts, but who cares. Thanks for playing(as you say)……………………. Hanzo
gacomputers get a clue your obviously a union stooge. Unions are the hiding place of incompentents. errrr ever hear the term union thug? Andy Stern is totalitarian thug just ask someone who disagrees with him, what happens to you he's no different than obama and the chicago thugs he's brought to washington, like rahm emanuel thugs all. what does andy stern mean by the persuasion of power? you really must be clueless or you od'd on the koolaide
If he's a Dem, this Jason K, he probrably will say a prayer to Obumble!
I resent anyone who supports (financially or otherwise) socialist/Marxist causes and have no respect for them. Very simple answer to a very simple question.
No need for insults… I understand the point you are trying to make. I just disagree.
How about Obama, who seems to LOVE the corporations. How about TARP, bailing out the elites with middle class money? How about we get rid of them all and start over!
ad hominem wins Hanzo, well done!
I support ALL government employees, military, administrative, social, medical etc
You support SOME government employees, the military, and hate the other types.
Explain why one set is good, the other bad – that is the discrepancy in your so-called "reasoning". Government is bad except when it's the military. Explain without resorting to imbecilic references to 'meds', if you are capable of it.
Avon no doubt has been reading all the posts of the left-wing
wack-os that came here in droves today…lol
Why would "progressives" admit their ideology is unsound? Why would they admit that their movement murdered tens of millions of people in the 20th century? Their egos will not let them admit any of it.
Here's some more from Media Matters:
Conservative: All he was doing was setting the record straight on the myth that fascism and Nazism are somehow political families of the right. He's probably also making a warning about what someday could happen even in America if the government is allowed to grow and grow in power and scope. Someday down the line someone like a Hitler or a Mussolini or a Stalin could take that power and cause chaos. Contrast that with conservative ideology which seeks to limit and constrain government power to prevent tyranny like that.
Me: What someone like you needs to worry about is the growth of nationalism, militarism and the expansion of police powers. You don't have worry about that during a Democratic administration. On the other hand, conservatives have an affinity for things those things.
Conservative: Name one conservative that has ever done any of those things. All three of those things run counter to conservative thinking. Anybody that promotes those things isn't a conservative.
Me: I would say the Bush administration came the closest to what all those dictators espouse: nationalism, preemptive war and invasion, militarism, curtailing of speech and privacy rights, torture, death, etc. A lot of conservatives were also advocating that we drop nukes on the Middle East which would have amounted to genocide.
Conservative: 1. Bush was no conservative.
2. A lot of conservatives were advocating that we drop nukes on the Middle East? How many is "a lot"? Who are these supposed conservatives? Can you find quotes? Even if you do find one weirdo who claims to be a conservative, is that really enough to characterize the entire movement?
Me: He governed like a conservative would – constant war, increased militancy, torture, death and destruction, curtailing of rights, etc. That's conservatism in a nutshell.
I would suggest you do the research andif we are wrong, prove it! For the last 15 years that figure has been qouted and you progressives have never, never, provided "facts" that disprove it. Even modern day Russia admits that the numbers quoted are probably understated. So where's YOUR proof that 100 million is not a good estimate?
yawn at hanzo's tedious ad hominems
That's because there's no money in defending Che, but Planned Parenthood is a big business for lefty.
do you mean the 98% of blacks that voted for obama cause I agree thats pretty racist what if 98% of white people vote for the white candidate would that be called racist. your logic..or lack of logic is astounding. I don't like insulting people except to their face but your an obama advocate to the end quite cowardly. you loss every arguement because you fail to look at both sides you suffer from tunnel vision and koolaide addiction. for the love of pete think for yourself if you can some are to stupid/partisan thats how you come off.
Now finally we agree on something. Progressive thought falls in and out of favor, just as all the other ideologies. The important thing is what is left behind. If it leaves social safety nets and civil rights in its wake then it has performed its purpose.
Nope. It was the head and the people of Spain's will, out of envy and resentment, to expel Jewish and Muslims who did not become Conversos. It was not sanctioned by the Church and the Church did not control the western world. That is propaganda they've been pushing in universities since the '60s to breed hatred and resentment, along with all of the anti-capitalist propaganda. And note: I did not say "secularism", I said secular. You must know the difference. Here's an example; a Diocesan Priest is secular, a Jesuit is not. Now look up the broader meaning.
1. Who are you to tell anyone what they should or should not do with their own bodies?
2. It's only cradle to grave for those who truly need it.
3. You have it backwards – it's the conservatives' dream to determine who should live or die.
It's just that, crap, they pull it out of their arse, or they get it from
some trash heap like media matters………..
Right David! The founders thought the same way! If a citizen does not like the law in his state, he can vote with their feet. The Fed is too big and intrusive for me but there are statists that would love to be taken care of from cradle to grave.
rckmom: Please step back and see the power over your body that would be given to the state. Abortion would be only the first step then other banned behaviors might follow. Abortion is terrible and I will fight it where I can but I do not want the government to help me. Government …Stay out of my bedroom and my pocket.
In reading this article I can't help but think of Dave Chappelle's skit with the blind black KKK member. LOL!!!!
What you do is build Marxist strawmen and then assign anyone who disagrees with you the label. That is going to leave a lot of people for you to resent.
Very common on the right.
Randy12 asks:
"Is a "modern progressive" (aka Hillary Clinton) any different than an enemy of the Constitution? If so how?"
Interesting question.
In fact, had Hillary pulled off a miracle and beaten B. Hussein in the primary, and then McCain, Beck would (rightly) have been examining some of her past and present relationships and statements.
And you know what he would've found?
Another Saul Alinsky-loving socialist.
A Margaret Sanger-loving eugenecist.
If these people had any balls – any modicum of honesty – if they were not such arrogant, elitist, ivory tower snobs, they would call themselves by their rightful name (socialists), and make their fight on its TRUE merits.
But they won't.
Because they know they would lose.
Well I can tell you're very young. At least you have a point about the positive reforms which unions brought about. Yes, they were once necessary. Now they are too powerful and have become dens of corruption.
And yes, it's beyond ridiculous to somehow claim 5 and 6 year old children will again be forced into manual labor.
Yes sallysays2 completely correct. Gacomputers you sound like a tool. If waterboarding is torture and immoral why is assasinating not? can't wait to hear your logic on that one. Murder good pouring water on someones head bad. ha ha to funny I hope we didn't mess any of your terrorist friends hair up. Please stop defending the terrorists its quite unamerican.
lol StanH, don't hurt the little ants feelings, it will have to run back
to media matters to get its diapers changed…..
If you know G.K. Chesterton, you might say I am kind-of a Distributionist. Or, from a more recent perspective, a Communitarian . So, in secular political terms, on economics I go left. On social issues I tend towards the right. One thing is certain though – I am dead set against individualistic Libertarianism of the Ayn Rand school. There is no such thing as "The Virtue of Selfishness".
they are already morphing into "populists"
None of it is true… it's all right wing propaganda… "Progressives are evil because they are Nazis"… "they want to take over the world and steal our freedoms".
It's all scar tactics and you don't like it when someone points it out to you. Too bad for you….
And you can't make a point without it. It's a crutch that gets used a little too much on this blog.
Instead of arguing with all of the disillusioned progressive on this message boards, I would like them to instead throw off their commucrat chains, disavow their ties to their deceitful leaders and JOIN US IN LIBERTY!__Come, and enjoy the fellowship of free people. People who:__– Believe in personal liberty and human excellence.__– Believe that the government should serve us, not that we should serve them.__– Believe that the Constitution provides the most effective means to prosperity and happiness for all ever devised.__– Believe you should keep the fruits of your own labor, and through that labor, raise the living standards of all around you.__– Believe that the Constitution is "the biggest tent" in the world, with room for every race, color and creed that hews to it's principles.
So come on Huffers, Kossers and Beasters! Abandon the failed ideologies of the socialist tyrants! Join us and fight for you natural human right to freedom! Join us, and enjoy prosperity, self-respect, and happiness like you've never had before! We welcome you with open arms to WORK with us and for YOURSELF. The "better world" you seek awaits.
Why is the left so full of hate and mass murderers?
-Are you kidding me? Conservatives are lemmings. The Democrats are all over the place though.
-Progressives believe if you need help the government should help you, not turn their backs on you while you're suffering.
-Paranoia is running rampant in your post.
Frankly, it's the truth. And that's why Blacks and Jews don't embrace conservatism.
"…I am dead set against individualistic Libertarianism of the Ayn Rand school…."
Good point. Me too. We'll have to agree to disagree as far as economics are concerned, though. Small business is the backbone of our economy and provides the most jobs. Hurting small business hurts us all, naturally. And I think you'll find a majority realize Big Business doesn't have anyone's best interests in mind, especially with the crony capitalism that's going on now.
I had to look that one up…"netroot".
"describes political activism organized through blogs and other online media, including wikis and social network services."
I'm here for fun, just tweaking the right… There is no one here I want to organize with. This doesn't describe me.
Are you on drugs?
Well said bran, but I don't think the angry right is listening.
I can only assume you are a socialist/Marxist… therefore you must be a scarecrow (straw man). Just man up and admit what you are and rest assured, many people resent your views.
gacomputers, I am really think that you need to get beyond personal attacks. You and I are seemingly on the similar side in this argument. But when I read your posts I just cringe.
Your posts reeks of what you claim to despise. You're basically saying we should turn our backs on those who are suffering in our society.
Come on Hanzo, show a liberal brother vet some love…
Of all the hallow crap the trolls post on here, this has to one of the dumbest ever.
Don't lie; the post was brilliant.
Sorry to disappoint, but I'm a capitalist, patriotic American who happens to also believe government has a legitimate function to perform in our society.
That is not up for debate. What is fair game is the level of government involvement in business. That will ebb and flow with the political winds.
True American conservatives/constitutionalists believe that the federal government should be small, and attend to only those things that the constitution enumerates as its duties and powers. Anything else is a liberal, progressive position. So whatever you want to call the movement(including bowel), Nazism, fascism, socialism, communism, and progressives, are all cut of the same whole cloth. They believe that the central government should be a strong all-encompassing, system that controls all aspects of life. Nazis believed in the master race. How is this not eugenics? Nazis, fascists, socialists, and communists, believe in the government control of the means of production because only they know what is best. How is this not progressivism which teaches that only the elites are the enlightened ones? When the United States has killed it’s citizens, it has been either a mistake, or in violation of our laws. When the “progressive” nations have killed their citizens, it has been murder and genocide disguised as necessary for the “common good” of all. Myself, I think I’ll take the United States over anything else out there thank you very much!
This article reminds me of Dave Chappelle's blind black KKK member skit. LOL!
I must know more about this "populist" thing…and the research begins.
1. Who are you to tell anyone what they should or should not do with their own bodies?
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See you Progressives make my point. You embrace eugenics (murder, extermination) via abortion.
Babies are getting their brains sucked out of their heads. They are getting their arms and legs ripped off of their bodies.
Why are you Progressives not defending the babies right to live?
Answer: Progressives embrace eugenics. Eugenics is one of the pillars of the Progressives.
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Here's another exchange:
Conservative: What did Glenn say that was substantively wrong. You can call him names all you want, but he did not state one thing that was not factually true.
Progressive 1: I'm sorry…you believe that anyone with a different political perspective than you is flat out evil? Cuz that's Beck's school of thought.
Me: Conservatives believe people are generally evil (I think this is born out of religion and original sin) and that government should only be used to restrain us from our "evil" tendencies. Liberals believe people are generally good and we should use government to help everyone.
It's all about freedom. I don't want to control women; conservatives do.
2. It's only cradle to grave for those who truly need it.
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You know that you Progressives are doing incremental steps.
First step, only for those who need it.
Second step, only for the old.
Third step, only for the unborn.
Fourth step, only for this group.
Fifth step, only for that group.
FINAL STEP: Complete government control of cradle to grave health of everyone in the US.
Final RESULT: Government control of LEGAL SELECTIVE EXTERMINATION.
The eugenics loving Progressives dream come true.
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it's so simple, you even make an example of it in your own post –
Do you agree or disagree with this statement "ONE progressive pioneer called Margaret Sanger liked eugenics for a bit in the past, therefore ALL progressives ever since and now and in the future like eugenics and so are very much like the nazis / communists"
In other words, all x are y, where x is progressives and y is communists or nazis.
IdahoGal on the other hand, completely disagrees with you, saying that proper conservatives treat people as individuals without lumping them into one group with the same, unchanging views as they had 60 or 100 years ago.
Is that simple enough for you now?
lol "ever heard the term union thug"
yes I believe everything I hear, I never bother to actually go out an check for myself, I am a classic Beck fan!
Ant is brainwashed, and he, like the rest of the dems thinks hes'
brilliant…How sad!..He comes here from Media Madhatters after
drinking their poisoned tea……lol
Ant, if you read this, Blacks & Jews don't embrace Conservatism
because they've been brainwashed like you.
This is what Nazis are infamous for and all other brutal regimes: constant war, torture, death and execution, curtailing of rights, racism, xenophobia, homophobia, etc. – these are all tenets of conservatism.
Thanks for the compliment, just following your lead on the ad homs
Once again you fall back on the tired troll technique of caling someone a hater. Please point out one time where I said that I hate government employees? I hate no one, not even you, no matter how hard you try to get people to hate you so that you can then judge them.So, I guess there never was a discrepancy in what I said. The only thing I'm against as far as government employees is a bloated bureaucracy. The BHO administration has managed to add several hundred thousand employees to the government payrolls, why?Are you in favor of a massive,overwrought Federal Government? The FF's never envisioned this as a part of a stable and flourishing Republic, why would you?…………………. Hanzo
Hi Jenny267! Good point. Generally, I agree with you. But those Shakers made great furniture. And I the great patriotic ballad "This Land is Your Land" was written by Woody Guthrie, a member of the Communist Party. Still, it was and is a great song. And the janitors that organize for better working conditions in Los Angeles: when they succeed and get better wages, work rules, and benefits for themselves and their families – does it matter that some of the organizers within that union are Socialists? Perhaps. Perhaps not.
You embrace the bizarre conspiracy theories of Beck and Breitbart. You're the one who has been brainwashed.
but presumably, you respect their freedom to support socialist causes, and you would fight to the death to defend that freedom.
Got a simple answer to that one?
See a psychiatrist – you're suffering from paranoia.
Quite agree Bookman –
The union seems to have, quite sensibly / progressively, concentrated on the welfare of the weakest of its members, to the detriment of the slightly better paid employee (Idahogal in this case).
This is rational, – it may have the unintentional consequence of slightly discouraging those at the top, but a union is like an insurance policy, it's there when you need it, not necessarily when you want it. It's there to guarantee a minimum, not necessarily to provide the best aggregate overall outcome.
No need to try and insult everyone who disagrees with you…. like is too short.
Obama said his plan was for increment steps regarding the healthcare.
You need to listen to what he says. You might get enlightened.
Dont' care what he thinks, I just want the freedom to join his union.
err, torture is wrong, assassination is wrong, 2 wrongs dont' make a right.
That was easy…
The eugenics loving Progressive dream……. freedom to LEGALLY SELECTIVE EXTERMINATE.
Because GA is just an agitator. Nothing thoughtful there. I welcome dissent – it makes me think. I used to be quite liberal in my views, not that I thought much about my views. 1986 changed a lot of how I think, Clinton's election finished the process. I began to research history on my own. My views changed because I actually engaged my brain and not my mouth.
I'm sorry, there may have once been a need for unions – but they've morphed into the very thing they proclaim to defend against. They have outlived their usefulness and are nothing but a thorn in the side of people who want to get ahead.
Even more simple~~ First off, I don't think Idaho Gal considers you her spokeswoman, once again you presume to know what everyone is thinking, you are the narcissist, and an egomaniac to boot. Second, Sanger was one of the first advocates of "abortion on demand", infanticide and eugenics no matter how you try to mask it in semantics.Sanger "liked eugenics a bit in the past", ha ha. You are sick. Sanger just happened to be from my hometown and I've gotten to reference a wealth of knowledge(her personal memoirs, writings, policies, etc.), she was an UNREPENTANT believer in eugenics until the day she died.I stated in another post the commonalities shared between communism/national socialisn(nazi's)/progressivism. If you can't digest that amount of information or choose not to, it's not my fault. Your grasp of politics and history is verrrrry lacking, indeed, and quite amazing for someone who runs their mouth so much………………….. Hanzo
I do embrace my legacy. I am proud of the Progressives that came before me to stand up for the rights of women, workers and children. It's a legacy we are all very proud of…
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Will you kindly list the facts that back this up? You sound just like the "heads" that I went to high school with in the 1960's and 70's. They couldn't back up what they said with the facts either. Also, just link the 60's and 70's the democrats, liberals, and progressives were in power and killing my friends in Vietnam. I lived the history and didn't put on th erose colored glasses the democrats and progressives wanted me to wear. Instead of drinking the koolaid, why don't take the time to find and present the evidence that backs up what you say? Did you see what George Bernard Shaw, one of the great liberal, progressive writers said about people in he "lower" classes? Probably not.
If you can find one time I've ever called an American Conservative a Nazi I would like you to point it out. I don't do it because I don't believe it. And you on the right should let it go too. It cheapens the language to compare any political party or movement in this country to Nazis.
like?
Hey, we could all be classified as 'sheep' in some way. My choice is to follow God, not man. That was my point.
Hey, I remember you. I just checked your posts and I say…. where do you get off? You do plenty of insulting, yourself. C'mon, like's too short
You're suffering from paranoia. Seek help.
Can you go home, please! Your attempts to rile people up is transparent and a tactic that has lost ground.
Sorry mika, thanks for your service to our country. I just wish you'd come over to the right side
. BTW, my comments were directed at gac, he is a professional hater of immense proportions.
……………..Hanzo
If I am brainwashed as you claim, the brainwashing came from living in Chicago
for the first 30 years of my life…In Daleys neighborhood where I was surrounded
by Democrat pols and the Dems that they were holding under their thumbs..It was
an awakening….I would suggest you go to a Democrat stronghold like Chicago,
Detroit, or the other great cities they ruined, and maybe you'll get a rude awakening
Ant-Brain………..
It's all about freedom. Why are you against freedom?
In some ways I agree with that thought – I draw the line at government being the distributive body! Christ asked us to take care of those who couldn't fend for themselves. It's a personal calling, not a government calling. That's why my money goes to charities like The Salvation Army. I want to be the one who decides who gets my money that I freely give. I want accountability. There is no accountability when governments steals your money with force and gives it to things you don't agree with and is not accountable for the outcome. Look at the slums Obama and his ilk built in Chicago. Who is taking responsibility for that?
Right hang on, so manual labour for 5 or 6 year olds would have gone away on its own somehow? Why did it come about in the first place – oh yeah, because there was a profit in it!
There is still plenty of profit in it – America spends God knows how much on cheap goods produced in the developing world by kids, and yet in this country, we dont' need them, because they, er, might be a bit corrupt, or something. I thought conservatives like to keep things that worked well in the past?
China says – "Look, the US doesn't have unions, lets carry on with the child slavery it must be ok"
I don't think anyone actually wants to prevent anyone from unionizing or joining. What Conservatives generally disagree with is forcing people to join whether they want to or not.
There's also a bit of passion as many unions have chased jobs out of the U. S. and into China.
That, and Big Bosses have too much political influence and are engaged in the rampant crony capitalism going on right now.
All of what I mentioned about are tenets of conservatism. Maybe you should become a liberal if you're not for the things mentioned above.
Can't have it both ways, mika, if you're a capitalist you CANNOT also be a progressive, those two are diametrically opposed…………………. Hanzo
It's all about freedom. Why are you against freedom?
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I am for freedom. Why are you against freedom?
I am for the babies to be able to live.
Why are you against the babies being able to live?
Why are you for allowing the babies to be aborted (murdered, exterminated)?
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Uhh, he's a patriot? Unlike you, you are a hatriot(I like that,thanks for the inspiration)
…………………….. Hanzo
*sigh* then go to China and organize the people. Better yet, let's start a trade war again.
I'm not totally convinced you're hopeless, but I'm tired.
Are you seriously claiming that five and six year old children were being forced into factories as late as 1945? Nonsense. Fair Labor Standards laws were already in effect- which means the unions had already outlived their usefulness over 60 years ago.
Please do stop with the absurdities. What have unions contributed in a positive sense) to American society or the American economy in the postwar era? Nothing. Zilch. Nada.
You've been schooled once again and all you can say is na na na na na, very intelligent.
……………….Hanzo
I didn't say you were brainwashed for the first thirty years of your life because frankly because I didn't know you. I'm getting to know you right now and it seems that Beck and Breitbart have done a number on you and they're laughing all the way to the bank.
Gary, you're talking to someone who has no mind, no waste……….. Hanzo
Silly boy, if we cared to know what is posted at Media Matters, we would go look for ourselves. Your ego is enormous, do you think everyone desires to know your every thought?
You know, every time I'm in a charitable mood and begin to think that liberals might not all be morons, along comes a post like this to shake me back to reality.
Do, please, explain to us out of your vast historical knowledge the similarities between Cheney, Yoo, and the Holy Office.
Another historical illiterate, knowing nothing but saying it loudly.
Sore loser, you just revealed yourself, do you live in Massachusetts? Wait until November, ha ha.
..Hanzo
It's all about freedom. I'm not going to tell anyone what they should do with their own bodies.
Typical eugenics loving Progressive. No facts, just name calling and other weak arguments.
You're babbling on about paranoid conspiracy theories and I'm just trying to help you out. Use Google to find a qualified psychiatrist in your area.
In other words, you don't have an actual rebuttal, just empty handwaving.
When I read his posts I laugh, he's an imbecile…………….. Hanzo
I think we should watch out. We are almost having a civil discussion! LOL. Greetings and Blesssings to you! I am sure we will all blog together again.
Amen, notice he/she/it didn't reply?
……………………..Hanzo
"I do enjoy Rachel Maddow and Keith Olbermann."
In that case, any future claim you might make to credibility (or bare rationality) is DOA.
Excellent post, way over the head of gac…………………… Hanzo
the argument is distinct from the arguee, therefore I will use IdahoGal's argument if I feel like it.
I said "like eugenics a bit" because only the eugenics is relevant, not its degree.
Eugenics, in liberalism, is an absolute moral wrong because no rational agent would agree to live in a society where they might be exterminated for no good reason, if they had the choice.
Sanger believed, for some reason, that people would like to live in a society with eugenics. She was, and is wrong, as millions of people have pointed out (witness the contemporary ridicule of the elder Shaw in his later life and thought in Great Britain).
Beck then comes along and says – "modern day liberals are like a few of these mad old liberals from ages ago, who said really dumb things."
Why is that a good argument against progressivism?
This site is boring. Why don't you guys come over to Huffington Post? It has a good mix of liberal and conservative posters.
You either don't know how to read, or you have a lack of comprehension..
I said Chicago opened my eyes way before I even knew Breitbart or Beck
existed….They agree with me, not the other way around!
I have no more time to fool around with a fool…Now go home like a good
liitle ant and help out in your commune…(anthill)….lol
Keep looking… http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Leftwingmonste...
Then try to make sense out of things when you hear progressive 'leaders' talk of these men as heroes.
Read up on Alinsky while you're at it. Hillary did her college thesis on him. Obama taught the Alinsky method.
You are a typical eugenics loving Progressive……… freedom to LEGALLY SELECTIVE EXTERMINATE.
If you freely chose to follow God, you aren't a sheep. Sheep don't have free will.
Come on mika, your long and rich tradition of using ad hominems and far more vicious attacks than I've used on you is well documented in this forum, so you decided to change you SOP and suddenly you're Saint mika……………………… Hanzo
Well, gac seems to have latched on to you and I think for a moment, at least, you enjoyed it. I think he may be even farther out there than you
………….Hanzo
There is enough evidence now to go after Obama and his Communist buddies for TREASON. Democrats should be ashamed of what he is trying to do to our country. Not all Democrats are crazy and some are now rejecting what they are seeing from this imposter.
He truly represents some other group. Like maybe those who control the Federal Reserve? Oh but he goes after banks but not the Feds? Maybe he working on destroying free interprise for good? So far he has destroyed everything he has touched.
Very good. Meditate on that and one day you will have a great epiphany.
"If it leaves social safety nets", this is always achieved at the infringment upon rights of others, or the erosion of rights in general. How many of the FF's were 'progressives'? Do you even pretend to have more insight as to our form of governance than they?………………. Hanzo
Sure, the Left loves free speech except when that speech goes against the views of the Left. Then they clamp down to silence it if they have enough power to do so.
You conveniently overlook the repeated attempts to shut down and/or restrict Conservative speech by the Left. Talk radio, universities and other public venues. Conservative speech is constantly under assault by the Left.
It also seems to me that the the Left had plenty of voice in Germany until Hitler (yes, he was a Leftist) garnered enough power to take over and was able to silence all opposing views to his dictatorship government. I know you Lefties don't want to acknowledge that Hitler was one of yours but the facts to that are very clear.
And Birkenstocks
………………………Hanzo
It is systematic genocide and they can't hide from it anymore, we won't let them!
I just wanted to show you guys what an intense debate really was. There's too much groupthink on this site.
Yes, you can be proud of the infanticide, the poverty brought on by the 'New Deal' and the 'New Society'
yak and yuk ………………… Hanzo
Got "Che"-nge?
This jig is up and we got your number!
Mao is murder!
I can't resist it any longer.
WeWeedup slow up with the history lessons, I'm arguing on the internet, I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition.
Well you did actually infer that I'm a nazi, mika, and I'm an American Conservative, and I'd be willing to bet there are others in this forum you've treated the same way………..Hanzo
No one expects the Spanish Inquisition
Yes, infanticide and eugenics at its very worst, able to hide behind the veil of "reproductive rights", doublespeak at its most egregious………………….. Hanzo
Progressives~ no brain, no headache. That's why they continue to spout their nonsense to their last dying breath………………… Hanzo
no way, I'll skip that weird hippy meditation, just tell me now
Ronald Reagan, a true CONSERVATIVE had nothing to do with unshackling Eastern Europe from communism, did he, hmmm? …………………………. Hanzo
Your logic here is flawed, at best. Glenn Beck believes(as do many others) that Socialism LEADS to National Socialism(naziism as you say, get it right) and communism. Not even a nice try………… Hanzo
Again. The evidence, if you please? Also, no comment on Shaw? Put up or shut up.
All of this is well laid out in Jonah Goldberg's book Liberal Fascism. Liberals and progressives throw up the terms Nazi and Fascist against anyone in the way of using the power of the state to implement some good for the collective without regard to individual wishes.
As Goldberg says, in the US, the fascist state will not be about broken doors in the middle of the night. It is nurturing and done without your consent but for your own good. The progressives of 2010 believe good intentions excuse all acts.
We are about to see a "political Jonestown" play out in the November elections and every member that drinks the Marxist/Socialist kool-aid is going down…
I can almost see you goose-stepping in the town square Mik, your red banner blazing in the workers paradise, spewing in unison with the collective, “workers of the world unite.”
The nazis were right wing fascists. They believed that their race was superior, and tried to use science to back that up. They also used christianity to back this up. We should acknowledge that all tools (progressivism, fascisim, religion) were twisted into a horrible ideology that we should all learn from.
"Che" you'll believe in or else!
LOL
Mao is murder!
Industrial unionism ..may..have contributed to the rise of the american middle class…
However..their punitive demands and irresponsible political dealings have bankrupted the very companies on which they rely…. so they turn to another parasitical organism to help them maintain their nurishment- the leftist taxing wing of the US government..the original host bodies are dead…therefore they should be allowed to suckle on "the rich" and when they are gone who will be next…
parasitical organisms..will eventually die…either by an antibody or with the death of the host…the end is that all will die
"Angry right", ad hom?Or blanket statement? ha ha………….Hanzo
Righteous indignation comrade Mik! Not you brother you’re always a fresh breath of “liberal progressive” banality. However the tactic of projection is fun, and will be used – - dare I say – - with impunity. These are the rules set by the liberal progressive left, and we’re gonna play too…what fun!
And what would you replace them with? If your handel is any indication, I would guess Wasabi, which wants to kill all non-muslims. So who are the modern day Nazi's? I think we can guess.
No. We call you Nazis and Fascists because of your proclivity towards jingoism, war, torture and death, racism, xenophobia and homophobia.
And the last part of your comment is something a conservative administration would do – your rights must be curtailed in order to protect you from whatever boogie man they conjure up.
I'm just playing the game Beck is playing.
I don’t know Ant, what you got?
Thank you Glenn for your boldness….and sacrifice. I imagine you have gotten many, many threats. Thank you again, Donna
Does the fact that Beck is getting the TRUTH out there bother you? It seems like it does.
Maybe they are both Mika Mouth, he's obviously sooooooooooo intelligent that he could use two computers at once!! He types on one with his left hand while using his right hand on the other to embarrass himself! Genius, brilliant!! Ha ha ha , thanks for the laughs, mika………………………. Hanzo
Now, now. That's a different George Soros, don't you know?
Who cares, just point and laugh!
Did John Podesta send orders down, “release the moobats!”
Do you guys get overtime pay for Sundays?
434 comments .. enough said
Good day all
Conservatives are pro-war, progressives are anti-war; conservatives are pro-torture, progressives are anti-torture; conservatives are generally pro-execution, progressives are generally anti-execution; Conservatives said we should give of our rights during the WOT, progressives were against that; Conservatives complain are growing melting pot in America, progressives love the diversity of America; Conservatives are hostile to the rest of the world, progressives embrace everyone; Conservatives are hostile to gay people, progressives are fighting for their equality. Now what am I getting wrong here?
When I posted my reply this came up:
"Your comment must be approved by the site admins before it will appear publicly"
Maybe the site admins will post it later on.
I don't agree with everyrhing Beck says; however, I am sure glad he is out there doing what he is doing.
" *I said eugenics a bit* because only the eugenics is relevant, not its degree". Doublespeak much?
" I will use IdahoGals argument if I feel like it", na na na na na, kewl.
The rest of your post~ tripe. Like I said before, don't get off your meds before attempting to post. I hope you continue to live your life exactly as you are now, I could wish nothing worse on you, see ya' in St.Looey, screwy…………. Hanzo
Remember that Comrade Obama's science czar John Holdren, a progressive, proposed forced abortions and putting sterilants in the drinking water to control population. The Progressives may not be using throwing people in ovens….yet, but their desire to cut down on the human population hasn't ended.
Eco-terrorist are also part of this progressive movement, notice how all of their actions/lawsuits and court decisions are always anti-human and anti-prosperity while being pro-animal and pro-nature (their God)? If progressives had their way all human life, other than those who think "correctly" would be wiped off the face of the Earth.
And the last part of your comment is something a conservative administration would do – your rights must be curtailed in order to protect you from whatever boogie man they conjure up.
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However….. it is Obama and his eugenics loving Progressives that are doing it.
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You continue to amaze with your simple-mindedness. You actually believe calling yourselves a Progressive means something due to the meaning of a WORD?
You are profoundly ignorant of the history of the Progressive movement.
Here's a great Progressive for you upon Stalin's death:
"Joseph Stalin was a great man; few other men of the 20th century approach his stature. He was simple, calm, and courageous. He seldom lost his poise, pondered his problems slowly, made his decisions clearly and firmly, never yielded to ostentation nor coyly refrained from holding his rightful place with dignity. He was the son of a serf but stood calmly before the great without hesitation or nerves. But also – and this was the greatest proof of his greatness – he knew the common man, felt his problems, followed his fate. W.E.B. DuBois
I italicize that part of the quote to emphasize the most often repeated claim Progressives' spew as justification for their failed policies and ideology which has caused immense suffering and death of hundreds of millions of people; we care about the common man…we help the common man and…we are great and right because of this simple claim of altruism.
If there were intelligent people there it would be great!
Unfortunately I don't speak "sheep" so I won't be visiting in the near future…
The Holocaust has its origins in the horrible, savage anti-Semitism of the CHRISTIAN CHURCH in Europe. I have researched and taught the deep origins of the Holocaust. From the beginnings in Matthew ("Let His blood be upon us") through Augustine (God destroyed Jerusalem to punish the Jews for killing Christ) through John Chrysostom (the Jews are the most miserable of men; the synagogue is place of blasphemy) through the hideous persecutions of Jews in the Middle Ages and the expulsions of Jews from England, Spain, France, and other regions, official Christianity fed and stoked the barbaric hatred of Jews. By the time racist ideas–FULLY ENDORSED by conservatives–began to reach critical mass in the 19th century, the foundations for the mass murder of Jews were well in place.
The KKK was founded by Confederate war criminal Nathan Bedford Forrest. It was part of a pattern of horrible white Southern CONSERVATIVE violence against newly liberated blacks. In fact, contrary to lying Confederate mythology, the Reconstruction period was NOT a period of persecution of white southerners. It was in fact a period where over 3,000 blacks were simply murdered and countless others savagely beaten in a campaign of CONSERVATIVE terrorism.
Progressives won't admit to being responsible for the Holocaust or the KKK because both of these assertions are preposterous lies.
Actually, I think that would make you a classic Obama fan. I think, anyway; I'm not sure, your numbers have been dwindling so recently.
Beck has a photo of Obamao teaching the Alinsky method. Surely, mikatollah, you don't think Che was a rightwinger, do you? Do you think Castro is a rightwinger? Then why would you think Che was? Progressives have always been oppressors. While it's always been the ideology of nutbags, they behave like good little capitalists by looting various treasuries of the people's money.
Notice how many Mao lovers are part of Obamao's shadow government, his Czars? There are so many lefty wackjobs on his staff, they couldn't get a job in the private sector outside of some lefty think tank, or in lefty academia. Self-appointed elitist snobs who think they know how to manage the masses by doling out crumbs every election cycle in order to secure the vote for their movement. Get rid of the weak is their motto. Just ask Zeke Emanuel. He thinks the elderly should be denied medical care because they're no longer productive to society.
Do yourself a hugh favor and go to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcBaSP31Be8 it will open your eyes.
I will throw down the gauntlet right now. I will publicly debate ANY conservative about the origins of either the Holocaust or the KKK or both. And I will mop the floor with them. I will humiliate them. I will reduce them to a laughing stock. My name is Joseph A. Miller, retired history teacher. You may contact me at josephus52@live.com If you are foolish enough to debate me, be prepared to lose–badly.
This from a conservative, whose leaders from Gingrich to Limbaugh to Coulter to Beck do NOTHING BUT lie. What a joke.
Tell me, can a teacher work in the public education system without being required to be a member of a union?
Your condescension reeks. Working people create the wealth of society both thru there working and thru their buying and consuming. They are not parasites. If you are tired of whining – I would advise you to find out what people's lives are like and what they may be whining about.
StanH is a demented historical illiterate who simply tells fantastic lies in such numbers that it takes a while to refute them. The Holocaust has its origins in the monstrous history of Christian anti-Semitism. The KKK has its origins among Confederate war criminals in the post-Civil War era. Modern racism is overwhelmingly CONSERVATIVE in its nature. And Appalachian coal miners were physically butchered in the 20s and 30s by RIGHT-WING anti-union mine workers.
Is this the Labour Party you're talking about?
It isn't the right that attempts to rewrite history. Leave that to cop killer Bill Ayers and his ilk. You must be young; you sound like you've already been brainwashed.
The Democratic Party doesn't pay people to post; conservatives do that. Media Matters posted something about this particular post and I came here for an intense debate but this site is pretty boring. This site is better than Redstate though. They banned me within a half-hour and now I can't even access their site.
While they debate the best flavor.
Soros was a Nazi collaborator. He sold out the Jews in his home country in exchange for wealth and to save his own skin. The good news is that he is 77 years old. Hopefully, his kids won't carry on in his stead.
I disagree. Our economy is proof that government can function effectively within a capitalistic system. And financial and capital markets must be regulated and have oversight provided by the government to prevent fraud and monopolistic behavior by the corporate interests.
Without oversight there is no such thing as a free market.
Hello Hanzo! I was not talking about the factors that brought the downfall of Polish Communism. I was talking about the political and economic character of the government that replaced the Communists – they were Social Democrats or Democratic Socialists, if you will.
Reagan played a strong role in defeating Communism as did Pope John Paul II, as did Church activists in East Germany and Hungry, as did the actions of the SOLIDARITY Movement itself.
That's the craziest rant I've ever read. Go back to the beginning and start over. I think you'll find that the line runs> Darwin > Marx > Hitler, Stalin, Mao, etc., etc.
I've been rebutting it all day. You can't look up my previous posts if you really need a rebuttal.
Of course you are welcome to your opinion, but I disagree. My credibility is never in question.
NO! It is not rational, nor is it sensible to handicap the producers who are the ones who will end up taking care of the weakest by providing jobs for them. Are you that blind? If you hamper those who can produce, who is going to help the little guy who isn't either as motivated or handicapped by a lower intellectual ability? We are not all equal in ability. I could never be a doctor. But I was a darn good echo tech – and, because I could take up the slack for the doctors, they were free to see more people, providing more opportunity for warehousemen, nurses, aides, physical therapists, pharmacy techs, housekeepers.
It's really so simple if you would just open your eyes and ears instead of your mouth. Learning is all about listening. If the rich guy down the street tomorrow lost everything, you would still be the same person you are today. Unions breed class envy. It's all about class envy. I sat in a mandatory meeting one day at work, listening to our union representative tell me that the housekeepers were just as important as the doctors. I finally had enough and asked, "How many of you work for a housekeeper?" Dead silence in the room. Grow up.
Mika is a vet like I'm a 5 star General…NOT!
By your argument GTXJim we should not have government make laws against crimes at all, we should just educate people that crimes are bad and then hope they don't commit them. The Supreme Court may allow abortion, but regardless of their decision abortion is murder and the only "choice" Roe vs Wade gave women was the legal ability to either murder their unborn babies or not murder them. That is bad enough, but I'd rather have laws and punishment set up by the government in hopes that it corrects some peoples behavior than hope a pedophile or a thief become "educated" enough to decide not to commit their heinous acts against innocent victims.
By the way, the tea party movement is a conservative movement and being against abortion is both a conservative and human value which means anti-abortion people don't have to hijack the tea party movement as they are already part of it.
For the Progressives to remain in power they need to eliminate the voice of dissent. There are many ways in doing that either directly or covertly. The rationing of medical care will be one of the covert tools they will use to eliminate any opposition. People of "the right mind" will get care and those who are not wont.
Yeah what's up with that? You are my knuckleheads and I don't want anyone else talking mean to you… that's my job.
ah..i said industrial unionism…. i work for aliving…and i dont make one penny more than what the market will bear…i do not have someone or group of someones beating on doors demanding more than what the market will bear or having a governmental agency do the same…. and i would not tolerate someone demanding me to pay because their needs out weigh mine… i sold my business not to put people out of work but to starve the parasites both government and activist….in essence i "shrugged"…so should all producers….then where will be your teat???
Obviously we disagree on the scope and function of government. I don't see the legitimate action of government as taking away my freedoms because I live in this society too. My right to drive 100 mph should take a backseat to your right to have a safe highway on which you can take to work.
I march only to the stars and stripes baby… red white and blue…
I'm not sure I know how to infer that someone is a Nazi. Now I do attack ideas and I can be harsh, I'll grant you that. If I have ever even indirectly suggested that anyone on this list is a Nazi then I owe them an apology because I don't mean to do that.
NO you moron! Beck is not the Holy Spirit. [I didn't think I had to spell it out, but apparently I do] Point is, that Beck, and all of us can handle some heat, due to our belief in Jesus. Oh nevermind-seek and ye shall find…
people will survive without unions or governments…
unions and governments will not survive without people…
who are the parasites?
It's been my pleasure! I'm sure there many things we could agree about and there are things we will disagree about, but it's not necessary to be disagreeable! I like your style and I'm sorry I got down in the dirt with GA, but, hey, I'm human even though I'm conservative!
Very simple answer for your illogical question… I respect no one who supports socialist causes and would fight to my death to defeat socialism. Get it, son. You are an idiot and a libtard who does not deserve more of my valuable time.
Excellent point CR. I saw a short story on Fox News this morning where some groups were ticked off that the text books they were using in Texas actually had the audacity to tell kids about the Christian influence of our founding fathers and the shaping of our country, but 99% of all of the other text books in this country teach anti-Americanism, anti-capitalism, with little mention of our Constitution and none of those books are under attack. The reason progressivism has gotten to where it is now in our country and why an anti-American progressive like Obama is President is because progressives took over our text books, teaching positions and education boards years ago and have indoctrinated the last couple generations with revisionist history slanting far to the left. Kids either need to be reeducated or home schooled to break the cycle.
I attack ideas stan and I'm good at it, so it may sting a bit. Occasionally I get carried away and when I do I try and walk it back… Like earlier today I responded to one of your posts and I thought I was saying your idea was stupid, but when I read it again it was a little to personal. For that I apologize.
I was brainwashed as a child… 10 years of Catholic school and Republican parents. But I'm better now.
Perhaps you are confused and actually a PINO- patriot in name only. To rephrase your statement… A legitimate government has a function to perform in our society- protect us from foreign threats. I feel more than able to handle domestic idiots who are afraid of free markets and feel some institutions are "too big to fail". Enough of your bs, son. Grow up and grow some cajones.
Yes, the Labor Party that speaks for the working class in the United Kingdom – imperfectly, incompletely, but certainly and with historic result. That the Soviets sought to influence the Labor Party is nothing new. The Soviets and the Communist Parties sought to influence Labor and Unions all over the globe. And the forefront of the battle against Communism has been Social Democrats opposing Soviet influence. In America people like Walter Reuther, president of the UAW; and Albert Shanker, president of the American Federation of Teachers were at the core of the campaign against Communism.
I wonder what all the aborted, read MURDERED, babies would choose had they been able to choose life or death? Where is their freedom?
Wow… you know way more about George Soros than I do. I should probably google him.
You hurt my feelings J… : (
No worries! I like to play.
Don't you guys watch football?
I would love to know where is that outrage that our own government gives millions every year to Planned Parenthood, an organization founded on the idea of eliminating the inferior. Furthermore it is democrats who proudly stand up and support this group.
How do they get away with supporting a group whose founded in the eugenics movement. And why do the minority groups that were targeted support these politicians?
Obamao is already trying to appear to be a Populist because of the huge Scott Brown win in MA. Trying to equate Brown's win with his own. Because it makes so much sense that the most Democrat leaning state in the country would elect a Republic because they were angry with Bush, another Republican. It boggles the mind. Obamao refuses to admit it's his own policies (Obamacare, Cap&Trade, amnesty for illegals and tax after tax) against which MA was rebelling. Now there's talk of the government taking over our 401K's and IRA's and doling them out to us ass an allowance, all so that they can spend it on something else, the way they did Social Security, and hope to prop it up in the future with another one of their Ponzi schemes. Obamacare itself is a Ponzi scheme meant to pay for unions' Cadillac plans because the unions are broke and to add members to their rolls by unionizing doctors, nurses, hospitals and starting 111 Federal agencies of unionized workers. Now that's all up in the air since Brown was elected.
Obie apparently has a Saudi prince as a fan himself; you know, the one who put him through Harvard Law?
I could almost laugh at these so called"intellectual" progressives if they weren't so damned destructive to our society. These very same people who look down on middle America as "Jesus Land" are always the first to scream racism if you comment on the character of a minority.
If they love eugenics so much why don't they use it on themselves and put us out of their misery.
Progressive is now another word that these clowns have destroyed the meaning of. What will they call themselves next? What word will be used next time to repackage their destructive nature?
You are so wrong ! Open your mind, listen, watch, and listen some more. Who are the real racists? Who are the progressives? I don't mean a political party, that does not count nor interest me, but who and what are "progressives".
A mind is a terrible thing to waste, open yours and listen !
Hmm… Foreign Organization of the National Socialist German Workers Party….
Looks pretty much like left wing "progressives" to me…
Monty, Monty, Monty!
Someone should have mentioned that to Obamao's Czars – folks like Anita Dunn, Van Jones, et al. Obamao himself refused to place his hand over his heart when the Star Spangled Banner was played on his recent Asian trip, but was quick to do so when the anthem of Communist China was played. Guess he didn't get the message either that Communism was dead. Although people like Putin tried to tell him those ideas were unworkable and the Commie Chineses warned him not to spend any mre money.
BTW, what's with Obie nationalizing banks, insurance companies, car companies, student loan programs and now attempting to nationalize our healthcare? Oh wait, that's fascism. My bad.
And you are both a scientific and historical illiterate. Almost 2,000 years of OFFICIAL Christian anti-Semitism mean nothing to you because you're totally ignorant of it. I've forgotten more about the origins of the Holocaust than you've ever learned. And if you would like chapter and verse about the history of Christian-inspired European anti-Semitism, I'd be happy to educate you. You say my ACCURATE, and HISTORICALLY verifiable statements are a crazy rant, and yet you blame everything on Charles Darwin. Typical blathering right-wing creationist nonsense. BTW, I'm more of an anti-Communist than you've ever been, pal. I got my Masters in Soviet history. I can school you about that, too.
Da, the same Saudi prince owns part of CNN and you'd be surprised what else. I've seen him bitch about coverage on Fox and there's nothing he can do but sell his shares.
Labels are a funny thing. We use them so we can lump people into a group and then ignore them. Once you decided I was a liberal or progressive or whatever, everything I said after that was a lie… am I pretty close?
DuBois had a great career and by the time Stalin died he was 85 years old. He stubbornly refused to believe the reports of human rights violations coming from the Soviet Union and could not accept that Stain was a monster. It is too bad because it stains his memory among progressives and he will never be remembered fondly because of it. In his defense, a black man in the first half of the 10th century had a very different perspective of what it meant to be an American. Someone of his stature was far more likely to be shown dignity and respect in France or Russia than in his own country. It's all very sad.
American Progressives have always fought within the system for reform. The European experience is very different than the American experience.
Well done, I've been trying for years to wrap my mind around the idea of people subscribing to an ideology that tried to exterminate them. From the founder of Eugenics, Sanger, to Hitler, I've never been able to understand how minorities can't know what the historical meaning of a planned parenthood clinic in their community represents or a Jew that subscribes to progressive ideology. It's almost like a quasi stockholm syndrome.
Geez, even Dr. Manning Marable said this in the British Trotskyist journal Socialist Review:
"Here in New York we have a Working Families Party and a tradition of independent parties that fuse with the major candidates at elections. So I voted for Obama, but not as a Democrat. I voted on the Working Families ticket. I am a member of that party, and we run independent candidates for office – for the state legislature or city council. At the presidential level, and frequently the governor level, they fuse with the Democrats…What makes Obama different is that he has been a community organizer. He has read left literature, including my works, and he understands what socialism is. A lot of people working with him are, indeed, socialists with backgrounds in the Communist Party or are independent Marxists. There are a lot of people like that in Chicago who have worked with him for years."
Manning Marable is a member of the Committees of Correspondence. The organization was born in 1992 out of a split in the Communist Party USA, incorporating Trotskyites, former Maoists, and socialists. The party has ties to Cuba, Vietnam, Venezuela, and the communist parties of France and the former East Germany.
Perhaps you should take your doubts up with Professor Marable.
The connections between Obama and socialists and Marxists is vast. You only prove how ignorant you are.
Man, you need to be consistent. At one turn you attack soldiers and the next defend…. you attack Muslims and turn around and defend… you attack people of other faiths then seem to defend. I guess that makes you an inept debater and hypocrite. Nothing more.
Racism? It was the Dems who took school vouchers away from black students. Gotta leave 'em on the plantation, raise 'em poor and uneducated or else they won't vote for the Dems next election. Because the Dems take care of them so well.
By the way, how would you deal with a terrorist? By inviting them for tea and scones? All avenues of interrogation had been tried and all KSM was giving the CIA was old news and they knew it; it was only when he was waterboarded that he gave out new intel which was later corraborated as true. Would you sing a different tune if one of your relatives was on that Christmas Day flight? BTW, KSM is quite healthy, thank you. It's what 3 squares, snacks, exercise and all that bending to Allah will get you in the country club known as Gitmo. It was the Dems who demonized it in order to win back the Congress in 2006 and the presidency in 2008. Now they are hoisted by their own petard.
fk huffing-paint
Eugenics is a Progressive, left-wing movement.
No, the former East German Party was a Communist Party founded after the end of WW II when the Soviets took over. The Social Democratic Party existed in Germany since the late 1800's. And the SDP is the Party that led West Germany after the end of the Second World War. Accurate history helps! It may not lead us in the same direction – but we have to get our facts straight.
Can you imagine the death threats and hate mail Glenn is receiving? He has to be one of the bravest people in America for speaking out.
It surely is not their equal. But it can only lead us closer to either/both. 2010 Progressivism can only go away from freedom & liberty.
Again, I will challenge ANY right-winger, including Andrew Breitbart and Glenn Beck, to a PUBLIC DEBATE about the origins of the Holocaust and/or the origins of the KKK. I will travel anywhere you would like me to travel. If I am granted equal time, I will verbally tear the guts out of any right-winger foolish enough to challenge me. My name is Joseph A. Miller, history teacher (retired), who specialized in European history, particularly the histories of modern Russia and modern Germany. I also taught some college level courses in the history of the United States from the colonial era up to the Reconstruction. My email is josephus52@live.com
Glenn Beck is too much of a liar and a gutless coward to debate anyone publicly. Like Limbaugh and Hannity, he hides behind his microphone, spewing lies without rebuttal. He's also mentally ill if actually believes Barack Obama is planning concentration camps for conservatives. I guess that's why a lot of you right-wingers love him. He matches your own sick, perverted mentality completely.
Well then we will just have to disagree. As for my patriotism, I will put my 25 years of service as an officer in the United States Air Force up against anyone's. I answered the call to serve and now ask only that I be granted the same respect as any other patriotic American. Patriotism should transcend ideology and politics.
It was GREAT!!!
Loved all of the other stuff too!!!
Ever notice how Obie (nice one) enunciates Arabic so well and always refers to the Koran as "Holy Koran"? Yet he had to have Jesus covered up just to enter a Christian church. I want to hear him say "the Prophet Muhammed" just to see if he quickly follows with the mandatory "peace be upon him". I'm not saying he's Muslim. I think he's atheist or some shallow pantheist. His PC disease overrides everything else.
Thank you for your service.
Seriously? Progressive Margaret Sanger, for your displeasure: http://www.youchoose2008.org/sanger.jpg
I see, you came over from the Huffing Paint Post….
You are the new poster child for educational malpractice Ant.
http://www.youchoose2008.org/sanger.jpg your proud legacy.
Been down the liberal road before, it led to hell, no Thanks…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQvsf2MUKRQ
George Bernard Shaw… your proud legacy
Death is NOT freedom.
I wouldn't say you were good at it.
Huffing Paint much?
It's easy to overlook the positive things that collective bargaining has done for middle class Americans when you have had such a negative personal experience. I don't think there are many of us who could have lived through what you described and not leave with a sour taste for that union.
I don't think it speaks to all unions. Most are run by people who want nothing more than to represent their membership to maximum advantage. That is what corporations do and it is the American way.
You support the elimination of blacks and hispanics as a race then that makes you a racist pig, just like Obama.
Their followers don't have a clue or they wouldn't be their followers.
My Dad used to always say, "Don't cast your pearls before swine"….
It's fun watching these "progressives" with their bloomers wrapped
around their necks….Glenn Beck has got them in a tizzy…..Bring on
the smelling salts…..lol
Still in your selfish rebellion phase?
Notice the neo-Prog Mikayatollah never responds when confronted with cold hard facts? Deluded in denial.
Foreign Organization of the National Socialist German Workers Party ~Wikipedia
Jefferson's denunciation of the slave trade was cut out of the Declaration of Independence at the insistence of Southern CONSERVATIVES. Slavery was retained in the Constitution at the demand of Southern CONSERVATIVES. The Fugitive Slave Law, the most morally bankrupt law in American history, was rammed through by Southern CONSERVATIVES. The Dred Scott decision, declaring that no black could ever be a citizen, was made in 1857 by the Supreme Court's CONSERVATIVE majority. The secession statements of the traitorous Confederate states specifically stated the preservation of slavery was their aim, and were all written by CONSERVATIVES. The savage violence in the post-Civil War South against blacks was perpetrated by CONSERVATIVES. The KKK was founded by Confederate war criminal Nathan Bedford Forrest, a hero to CONSERVATIVES in the South. The Jim Crow laws that reduced blacks to virtual slavery again were rammed through by CONSERVATIVES. The horrible lynchings of blacks between 1890 and 1940 were carried out by CONSERVATIVES (not just in the South; in Omaha, NE, in the 20s, conservatives tortured and burned alive a black victim.) In Tulsa in 1921 CONSERVATIVES butchered over 300 black Americans, in some cases dropping bombs on them to do so. When the national Democratic Party passed a Civil Rights plank in 1948, CONSERVATIVES walked out and founded the Dixiecrat Party (led by Strom Thurmond who in 1964 became a CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN). In 1936, Mississippi voted 98% for Satan Incarnate (to right-wingers), otherwise known as FDR. In 1964–after the passage of the landmark Civil Rights Act that CONSERVATIVES had filibustered for weeks–Mississippi voted 13% Democratic. Gee, I wonder how they went from 98% Democratic to just 13% Democratic in just 28 years? Conservatives left the Democratic Party in the South for one reason, and one reason only: the Democrats were committed to equal rights for "the Ni**ers" and the Republicans weren't. Why do you suppose Trent Lott, Jesse Helms, and Thurmond left the Democrats in the first place? The conservative record on civil rights and human freedom in America is atrocious, and I have the facts to back that statement up.
history teacher??
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I'm glad you're retired. Too bad you'll always be retarded.
Correction, now there are MILLIONS of Glenn Beck's and that's a good thing!
912er from day damn one!
That is such nonsense. Obama never "refused" to put his hand over his heart for the national anthem. He explained the confusion and now realizes that the hand over the heart is traditional for the anthem as well as the Pledge of Allegiance.
It would be really stupid for him to knowingly do something like that in the middle of a political campaign. It was not done out of a lack of respect.
You are trying to stain the movement with everything ever said by any Progressive. It doesn't wash.
It looks like a bunch of monkeys F***ing a football in there!
Heh, a setup I had to take
Humm, Gee a teacher that thinks righr-wingers are all wrong? Where have we seen this? Thank you Glen for having the guts to say it and show it. Calling some names is always what the left does. Why waste the time to read it.
How many Mao-lovers make up Obamao's Czars? You know, his shadow government? He's confiscating car companies, insurance companies, banks and next up is student loan programs and healthcare. All to create a government of ruling elitists who dole out benefits in increments dependent upon the recipient's value to society and political party affiliation. Plus, he's in bed with his Chicago cronies.
He threatened the Blue Dog Dems with not just political, but personal destruction if they didn't vote to get Obamacare out of committee. Do the Repubs behave this way? The bill is so bad his team has had to resort to bribes to get his own party to play along. When it comes to vote rigging, the Dems have it down to a science. Hence, no investigations of Acorn. Except that now, everyone is on to them and is fed up.
Dave, this also all ties in to the New World Order movement's history. Here's a link to a very enlightening chronological history of the NWO movement. The documentation is impeccable.
http://friendsoftheconstitution.cs2webservices.co...
Somehow I just don't see how the Shaker's belief equates to killing even one person, or the belief they should be killed.
"Industrial Unionism was a good thing" …WAS. Now many union leaders have destroyed the whole schmeal.
"I seriously hope that Beck does not really believe this crap. 2010 Progressivism does NOT equal Fascism – does NOT equal Communism"
The logical conclusion of progressive ideas gets into frightening territory. I just hope (likely this is unwarranted) that 2010 progressives are more discerning and logical.
Oh come on…what covers you , nut job left-winger? Ha ha(get it? I'm laughing here). You cab practically cut the anger with a knife here? Wow, how presumptuous. Have you ever visited HuffHo? I have, I created an account and made a few posts, juat to see what would happen. I merely stated my pro-life stance 1 time, watch out!! The amount of moonbatty vitriol and hatred spewed my way was amazing. We don't go nearly as far as they do, seriously. Just watch protests, debates, anything televised, watch your olbernots and your madcows, your matthews'. Rush, Sean, Glenn, they don't fly off the handle, instantly into the deep end as the aforementioned. Surely you can see who is more civilized, able to ebgage in a debate without going ballistic.
……………………..Hanzo
You're obviously too educated to understand my post. You then proceeded to ask for "an actual quote" which xhristopherus and Randyl2 were nice enough to provide you with one EACH, yet you still didn't answer my question.
Oh, and let's not forget that Van Jones, thanks to the "delighted" Valerie Jarrett.
Hey there Ayatollah, I knew these FACTS when I was about six years old in the early 1970's but that was because there used to be this thing in America called "a proper education"…
You should sue all of your teachers for "educational malpractice" and then go back to school and get a Non-NEA education you could learn something…
You should have plenty of time to get that done before your 18th birthday!
You need to grow up and smell the coffee, Ant2. Beck uses the Left's own words and videos to make his points. He isn't making it up. You need to stop spiking the kool-aid and get educated. The Left is using scare tactics against you. They do the deed and then blame the other side. Case in point: Queen Pelosi and her crying crocodile tears while calling people Nazis. It was the Left trying to suppress free speech, while demonizing the other side. If you can't refute the message, then kill the messenger but whatever means possible.
"2010 Progressivism does not equal Fascism"—Are you serious? Try this for a comparison…"the banks and wallstreet have caused this and now they get their fat-cat bonuses" Kind of sounds like the Jew hating rhetoric of say fascism. Let's try "healthcare". "Quality of life" sounds serene does it not? Mask what the fascists and communists said with well-intentioned sounding words instead of saying the truth like they did "making room for those who contribute to society." Not to mention, how is the "quality of life" for some poor innocent baby that has it's spinal cord ripped from its cortex just as he or she takes her first breath? Which is a whole other bag of tricks that progressives use. Eugenics was commonplace throughout this country…yes America, at the turn of the century. To get rid of the "unwanted" or mentally challenged/deformed individuals but primarily blacks…just do a little research it was the progressives behind that also. How is it with a new born baby that you can get away with doing anything to a baby…and I mean anything- but let's not punch a terrorist trying to kill you? Try this for profiling – a baby that the state doesn't want to foot the bill for because the parents are poor….lets kill it. Utter Insanity…there has to be some sort of consistency behind the phrases "civil rights" or "equality". If there is not someone is lying!!!
He's about 16 or 17 years old and has NO clue what he is saying.
That's okay as the saying goes; "You live your life as an unapologetic liberal until you grow up and become a conservative…"
That's what you've come up with? I'll hide behind the pedophiles and nobody will see my shame? Really?!? What a scrofulous dog you are.
Ok, you'll relize that there is only one God, and you aren't him! BHO isn't either, contrary to your beliefs…………. Hanzo
Beck speaks the truth based on intensive research and using the Left's own words against them. You're just sitting here playing with yourself while reciting the Left's talking points. Useful idiot.
So that's why the "Grand Wizard of the US Senate" (Robert Byrd (D) West Virginia) is still there, keeping the faith eh…?
It takes all kinds, Hanzo. Someone forgot to lock the loony bin today, I guess.
Actually, this sort of thing was to be expected. This kind of truth goes way beyond pain – it assigns blame as well. That's just not playing by the PC rulebook. How dare we!?!
The Dem Party voted AGAINST the Civil Rights Amendment. They did NOT want equal rights for blacks or to give blacks the right to vote.
You just have to accept it that there are people who think different from you who are just as well informed and intelligent as yourself. It's either that or you marginalize your own opinions.
Zeke Emmanuel is a good example of a Jewish Progressive. He insists that seniors should not be given health care, or just minimal healthcare, because they've outgrown their usefulness to society.
Lincoln was a Republican.
But big unions operate like these communist labor parties. They're only interested in increasing members and membership dues for voting/influencing power. If they are not, then they should allow the freedom for each member to allocated their share of dues to any political candidate that member chooses to support, or withhold their share from going to any candidate they don't support.
No. You're not. You are a lying proglib who wants people to see him as a moderate. Well, the bloom is off the rose and the cat is out of the bag. Everyone on this site knows you for who you really are…even if you do not.
Not a big fan of Adam Smith, I take it.
The mere fact that he coddles dictators and bows to them is evidence enough for me…
Why did Obamao want to put Zelaya back in power in Honduras and undermine that country's constitution anyway?
He may be "American on paper" but he sure doesn't conduct himself as one.
McCarthy and MacArthur were both right. Too bad we didn't heed the warnings. We're sure paying for it now, aren't we?
Who ever said I was a moderate? Certainly not me. And what exactly do you think I'm lying about? I'm as transparent as anyone on this list. I've certainly shared more of my life than most.
Share with all of us… what am I?
You are an ass. Yes, the KKK was most certainly a knee-jerk reaction to government heavy handedness after the Civil War, Before I go further, I have to premise this by telling dipshit moonbats that I don't agree with the KKK and what it became. After the Civil War the Southerners lost the right to vote, their private property was confiscated and carpetbaggers from the North came to the South in order to ransack and steal what was left.Nathan Bedford Forrest was a Cavalry Commander during the Civil War, he was raised and lived in Missouri. He saw what was going on around him and organized the KKK in order to fight back against the carpetbaggers and others who came South to profit from their defeat at the hands of the North. Besides, do you feel the South didn't have the right to seccede from the Union in the first place? What was the main reason for the Civil War? You've been reading too much revisionist history, moonbat………….. Hanzo
Sniffing paint fumes is more like it. Sayonara, Ant2.
I think we've already established that.
It's a simple concept. Progressives think they know what's best for everyone else. If everyone else is happy with things as they are, progressives feel no compunction to force them to change. Sometimes forced change can be murderous.
Keep trying Mikey!
Nobody gives a shit who you are, or what your "supposed" credentials are. You've exposed yourself already as a revionist moonbat not worthy of anyones time. Who in the hell do you think wants to even converse with you, jackass.I find it particularly hilarious you would call yourself josephus, the (in)significance is not lost on me, big mouth.You revel in the lies and putrid diatribe that is revisionist history, disgusting, sanctimonious twit………………. Hanzo
When you have an elist attitude you know better than the lesser people, and it only follows that if you get rid of most of the lesser people the world will be a better place. But in America the Left must have a power base, so they promise handouts to the poor instead of a handup and keep them enslaved to their ideas!
I know as much about him as most folks… he wrote "The Weath of Nations" where he described the invisible hand of capital markets. He was an intellectual whose ideas relied on rational actors and perfect competition.
But in the real world markets can be manipulated by insiders to the detriment of the society. In our history giant corporations nearly strangled competition and only the progressive reforms of Teddy Roosevelt and William Taft saved capitalism from its own excesses.
So I guess the short answer is Adam Smith is a great place to start which is why we are introduced to him in Econ 101. But we have to move on to find real world solutions to market problems that don't respond to supply and demand.
Excellent link, very revealing………………. Hanzo
I don't think we have… So enlighten us
Well, we're here to refute your moonbattiness every step of the way, friend……….Hanzo
Oh yeah, YESSSSSSSSS, great new strategy! Fantastic! Inspired! Compare Obama to Adolf Hitler . . . it's beautiful, it's a winner. Go for it, Sarah! You go, Scott Clark! We're going to paint a little toothbrush mustache on Obama, we're going to start calling him "Barack Adolph Hussein Obama," we're on a roll now!!! VICTORY IN 2010!
Take on the fascists and their progressive policies! The whole awful legacy of Roosevelt, Roosevelt, Johnson, Clinton and now . . . THIS . . . . Child labor laws, bank reforms, national parks, conservation, natural resources, slum clearance, workers' compensation, wage and hour laws, trust-busting Social Security, Medicare, civil rights, welfare reform, OH THE HORROR! THE HORROR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Help us DEAR LEADER Glenn Beck! 911 out to you, OH WISE AND DEAF ONE El Rushbo and the Oxycontin in Broadcasting (OIB) network! Save us in this, our desperate hour of need! Protect us from these progressive fascists, save us from their concentration camps, their barbed wire, their shower rooms, their ovens . . . EDUCATE US, INSTRUCT US, INFORM US . . . TEABAG US!!
The one he grovelled before?…………………Hanzo
God I hate pot smoking hippie liberal douchebag know it all wannabes…
Get a life bug…
What's your "brand of morality" bug?
Progressive intellectual?
You need to start over then………………… Hanzo
I think we need some RAID!
Apparently we have ants!
Che-nge, Che-nge, Che-nge; che-nge of fools. Urethra franklin.
Beck's expose' really hit home for me, as my grandfather was sterilized against his will while being "treated" for depression at a state hospital run by one of the founders of the eugenics movement that Hitler used as an example of how to fix society. My grandfather killed himself minutes after being released from that hospital, rather than endure the emotional trauma of having been castrated. Talk about the inmates running the asylum? Just look at what runs the country.
If we could only duplicate Glenn Beck…. Now we need to get Fox to move him to prime time. I would get a tingle up my leg (to quote Chris Matthews) to see Glenn in a debate against one of these Progressives.
I got my Masters in Black Liberation Theology and I can school you about that, too. These racist fools don't know James Cone either.
588 comments at 8:01 PM EST — you might think that is enough said – but…..
37 year old daughter? No wonder you're so screwed up. You're a filthy hippie.
Thanks alot for devaluing and demoralizing American society!
I agree, McCain is not what we want!!!
My only problem with Michelle Bachman is that WOMEN DO NOT VOTE FOR WOMEN!
Try turning most of your own comments on yourself and you may just see how hypocritical you are.
Glenn you keep up the good work. The media is all liberal anyways. They only see one way and not the other. We need the truth stand tall. And people need to know for there kids sake. the school are not teaching this.So,we must take a stand and see that our kids know this stuff. The school wants our kids to see government is the way and only the way to see this. It's not it's our freedom that is at stake so keep up the fight.
AGAIN, THERE REALLY IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FASCISM AND COMMUNISM, BOTH ARE EVIL!
TO USE A VARIATION OF A FAVORITE PHRASE OF GLENN ~
SPEAK TRUTH TO EVIL LIARS
Prove it.
Funny, coming from someone whose idealogical ancestors were members of the Klan. You really need to do your homework before you start trolling. The Democratic party was the party of NO when it came to equal rights for blacks. Do your homework. You are making a fool of yourself.
Well done Hanzo, you have uncovered the conspiracy, I've got my tin hat ready.
I love it when conservatards make arguments of the kind:
ALL x are y
But when lots and lots of Christians and Priests turn out to be paedophiles, such that you might conclude that ALL Christians are paedos, it's suddenly a dumb way to argue
It took to the age of 50 for me to really care about history. Until then it was boring and uneventful. How wrong I was. Now all I can do is read about history. Does that make me boring????
Sorry, but that's not entirely correct. I've noticed a bunch of lunatics have jumped into this thread so I'll post this and go. While the south is more Conservative than the north it has nothing to do with race. Most black folks, white folks and people who look like me are generally Conservative. That's just the way it was and, for the most part, still is. However, in every state I grew up in (LA, AR, TX, OK) "died in the wool" generational Democrats have always been the biggest racists I've ever encountered. It's the same with unions. The Klan marched around the church where my grandparents were married (Irish, Catholic and Republican) so they got a triple dose of Klan hate. My Maternal Grandfather, being Cherokee, was mistreated by folks who just happened to be Democrats so you can understand why he voted (the Republicans let him vote) the way he did. Just a tad of perspective from personal experience since I see so many partisan statisticians. If things are drastically different in the northern states you can see why some of us are more than a little confused.
Cindy – you are right. The Constitution is the key. We must focus on it for our enemies have yet to destroy it. They have tried and they have wittled away at it, but the very fabric remains intact, and that is what we must protect – against all costs. The Constitution of the United States of America is a document that was unheard of in it's day and has yet to be "copied" with any success. The Constitution must remain intact and be fortified, if we, as We The People, are to remain and not fall by the wayside of history – like ancient Rome and Greece.
LOL Good one Hanzo. Nothing more needs to be said to these Media Matters trolls. You might as well argue with a brick wall.
Bookman, It is always a pleasure to have a good discussion of differences. I don't post here very often, but most of the time it is to chastised so-called conservatives who feel the need to remove themselves from debate. You are truly welcome here. and most of us do Question with boldness' everything, including what he says.
I do have to disagree with you on a few points. Idahogal is correct that it is the individuals responsibility to care for ones brother. Chesterton was actually chastised for some of his writings that were mentioned. Also, what you referenced as social justice teachings is a modern interpretation of Church teachings. This was unfortunately due to the influence of the Jesuits and socialist within the Church. The Church IMNSHO has relinquished it's duty in many of these areas especially the poor. The leaders have forgotten that they have no control over those who are not their subjects. As to Unionism, Pope Pius X, I believe, wrote an encyclical condemning unionism.
Stalin, Hitler and Mao all have far more in common with Murdoch and the Saudi princes and kings who finance Beck's stupidity.
Sorry, but you don't get to rewrite history in an attempt to define us. You are preaching to the converted because no one else would ever believe this nonsense.
Let's go way back to when the KKK was mostly DEMOCRAT. It is a part of their history that they have tried VERY hard to re-write. Even the Kennedy's were against the civil rights movement after the REPUBS were for it! Hard to wrap your mind around isn't it? Well, the truth really hurts.
Don't you feel like you need a shower now?!! I never look at MM, Kos, or Huff anymore. To do so might drive one mad!
Excuse me…
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Wrong….. Women hold women to a much higher standard than they hold men. Speaking from a woman's standpoint. We (women) look into the soul of our political women and judge them as we would judge ourselves. As a woman, I would never vote for Hilary Clinton. She is merely a whore in a pantsuit. She rode the waves of her husband's popularity and stood by her man, not because she loved him, but because she needed him to get where she wanted to be. She is not a woman, she is merely an opportunist.
Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachman on the other hand are real women. Honest and up front they exude feminism. They are married, they have families and they have careers. All seem to be well balanced. As a woman, I would vote for Michelle Bachman in a heartbeat.
My 14 y/o granddaughter let one of her friends, who showed up at her house in a Che tee shirt, in on the real truth behind Che! You go, girl! At least there are some of us who are combatting government education!
I challenge you to show me the facts behind your argument.
Keep praying, for God hears all prayers.
You know what – I can't go there. There are so many things in your argument that are factually untrue that I do not have the space here to diffute them/
Old Vet – cudos to you. You hit the nail on the head. I for one an tired of the same old arguments. Let's call a spade a spade and get on with it!
The cost of freedom is eternal vigilance.
You can not wait until it starts. Then it's too late. The whole point is that if every major Marxist movement in history has eventually resulted in mass death and destruction, then why are the progressives wanting to send us down that road? If you doubt that these movements are all related, or the history, then don't take Beck's word for it, research it yourself. In the end you will arrive at the same conclusions. It is far too dangerous to concentrate that much power into the hands of the few, no matter what they claim their intentions are.
What a pity….
Bruce,
You are correct, however, it was the "modern eugenicists" (mostly American, but also European) that made it dangerous by not only "justifying" it through science, but promoting it. Most probably don't know who Mueller (don't want to bother with the umlatt) is. It was obscurr, even in Germany and the rest of Euope , at the time. There also was not much time between Mueller and the start of the 20th century eugenics movement. Davenport started the Biological Experiment Station in 1904 and the Eugenics Records Office in 1910. That is only 20 years.
The fact is, however, while most progressives do not take Sanger and the rest to heart, many do. When someone says that She is her hero, yet does not take her to task for her core belief, the assumption is that they believe it as well. That is the problem.
Well, ms. bowel movement, the entire post by resident troll, and your brother from another mother, mika, made no sense at all, as usual. Fact is, progressivism falls in lock step with both facism and communism/marxism. They all share the common goal of a tyrannical government which engages in censorship, voter fraud, anti-free enterprise, anti-business, anti-religious fervor, I could go on and on, but a turd such as yourseld is too lost in your dream stream to discern truth about yourself, much less your corrupt gods……………………..Hanzo
Sorry Hanzo, you can't have it both ways.
Either it's a good thing that the state employs people and supplies services, like soldiers and police and doctors and nurses, or it's a bad thing.
I think it's a good thing that the state provides services like security and health care. I support those who work for the government, in any role, military, social, administrative, whatever.
You only support those in military roles. Can you explain the discrepancy in your reasoning?
Without the longwinded character analysis, if possible please…
You left out the Woodrow Wilson administration.
We are paying attention. We do know our history and we are ready to distinguish various manifestations of the same collective instinct.
We understand there are already socialist and fascist aspects to today's American polity.
We will no longer go further though without protest. We believe in American exceptionalism and are ready to explain it over our coffee in the morning.
We will discuss accurately the true history with pictures, cites, and consequences.
We believe in the individual and we can and will fight.
Another brit trying to act like an expert in American politics. do you have anything to contribute to this discussion besides insults and conspiracy theories?
Oh yes, that's right, Hitler was a corporate genius and corporate interests fawned over him, literally tripping over themselves in order to get close to him and display their complete adoration of him. Wait a minute, that dosen't make sense, I forgot, Hitler nationalised businesses under the power of the National Socialist Party(Nazi's for short).By jove, sounds like this hitler chap was actually closer to being a left-wing nut job. Hmmm, who has exhibited this type of bahavior right here in our country? Awww, crap, surely not your narcissist-in-chief, Obama? Noooooo……….Hanzo
You sure are confused. Your response to all the facts listed by the poster above is just to state that all the racists you have met personally have been democrats. Even if that's true , so what? Black folks in the south are not "conservative " in political terms, they are democrats. THe fact that the south went republican in response to Civil Rights struggle is a known fact .
Yeah, you sure seem to think ad hominem wins. or did you think we've already forgotten your previous post?
"useful idiots" is explained in an interview. Google "Demoralizing America" on YouTube. You just might learn something from an X KGB individual whose job it was to demoralize nations for the purpose of destorying them. His first name is Yuri.
Ant, if you believe that Beck's school of thought is to shut down dissenting opinions then you are merely a troll and do not listen/watch on a regular basis. Just like I would not profess to know the heart of Jon Stewart or Keith Olbermann (I do not watch/listen on a regular basis), then you cannot profess to know the heart of Glenn.
Progressive – different political viewpoint – sorry that's not allowed. Anyone who does not adhere to our (progressive) viewpoint is inherently evil.
Conservative – We believe in free speech, that's why 99% of our servicemen/women are Conservatives! Oh my God! Our men and women in uniform believe in God, free speech and the Constitution! What could possibly go wrong after that!
Do us all a favor, Ant2, check us out. Conservatives that is. We believe in God (a problem for some, I am sure), we believe in personal responsibility, we believe that man is the master of his own destiny – not government. We do not believe that government can cure all the ills of society. We do not place our trust in government – other human beings. We place our trust first in God, then ourselves.
This is the legacy our founding fathers gave us. They gave us The Declaration of Independence – this document laid the foundation for the Constitution and declared our sovereignty over England. Think about it, really. If you had to choose today, given the same choices our founders had, what would you choose?
Would you choose the Crown, or would you choose liberty? It is a simple question. And, one worth answering
Think about this for a minute or so. Think about this in reference to the times. Where would you have been?
On the side of the Britain or the USA? Would you have been arguing
HuffPo is NOT a good mix. Get a grip!
Prove what? I am a progressive , not a communist, nazi, or maoist. I am a capitalist who has different views from you on the best way forward for America. I have NOTHING to do with the 100 million or however many dead people you are talking about. Obama is a left of center capitalist, not a communist, nazi, or maoist.
It's not as harmful as the ditch 8 years of republican rule drove us into.
Reasonable compromise? Infanticide? You don't deserve the time of day from anyone here……..Hanzo
The FF's didn't support abortion, what a warped, twisted way you try to weave there, not even a nice try. Doublespeak much?………………… Hanzo
wow, 1986…
Still it's at least a bit more up to date than Beck's ranting
Again, you have argued from one personal experience to the conclusion that all union activity is bad.
Coming from someone who claims that conservatives treat everyone as individuals…
And what about "Parenthood", isn't that what they are trying to run from?……………… Hanzo
Way to lump ALL of "us" in one group. That D or R doesn't mean much anymore. Independents will dominate. Just sayin.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz….don't feed the troll, must resist………..Hanzo
If you are one of those, you are all of those. You are so ignorant you don't even know what you stand for or your history as a progressive………………… Hanzo
(C)ant, who are you to tell an unborn baby that it dosen't have a right to live?………………Hanzo
Kookman dosen't know Jesus…………………Hanzo
Nice try, actually, not a nice try, you are a douchebag……………………Hanzo
(C)ant, doublespeak much?……………………..Hanzo
You keep repeating yourself, verrrrrrrrrrrry sophisticated debating technique, kind of like you are, no you are, no you are, no you are…………………..Hanzo
You have zero credibility. You ignore factual data, history and truth. That's irrefutable. Anyone can see it.
HuffHo, good mix? (Slightly throws up in mouth)…………………Hanzo
Watch Glenn's program on Progressivism and come back with something he said that you "know" to be wrong. Try not to source "mediamatters" or "wikipedia".
The evidence is very clear that they were identical to Progressives; Socialists actually. (What is NAZI an acronym for???) And Mao, Stalin, Hitler and Che all killed about 100 million people in the 20th century. I guess you see the mass graves as half-full.
You are talking about the southern Democrats who opposed civil rights. The south was a solid voting block for the Democrats until LBJ led the effort to get civil right passed in the legislature. Afterward he has been rumored to say, "I fear we (the Democrats) have lost the south for a generation". Blacks rewarded LBJ with support for the Democratic party and the racist southern dems gradually switched to form the base of the Republican party. And ever since Reagan the south has been a reliable voting bloc for the Republicans.
LBJ was right about losing the support of southern whites, but so far it has been two generations and is showing no signs of changing.
Ask yourself this. If the current Democratic party was against equal rights for blacks, why do they support Democratic candidates in such large numbers? I think it is you who are fooling yourself my friend.
Hey turd, the nazi's were SOCIALSITS (National SOCIALIST Party). They were no more Christian than Genghis Khan. The nazi leadership, believing themselves to be an Aryan "super race", were Wotanists. That's right, they believed in Norse Mythology. Man, dumbasses like you really need to educate yourselves before you try to post.
…………..Hanzo
You attack with baselessness. When refuted with factual truth, you just change the subject and go off on another tanget. It's called a "drive-by". Pretty weak. Why you prefer to stay ignorant about mass-murdering Commies and Socialists is troubling.
But we have to keep refuting your lies…………………Hanzo
How about changing your screen name to phlegm………………..Hanzo
How am I a hypocrite?
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, a legend in your own mind…………………. Hanzo
You'd be surprised how much resentment there still is to what Ike did in response to Faubus' blunder. Faubus is still a punching bag in AR for folks who remember and no politicking or history revision will make those who lived through it forget. And while a majority (not all) of minorities do vote the Democrat ticket in most southern states most folks above 30, regardless of race, do identify themselves as Conservative, especially Christians.
Go Glenn!!
What did Einy (quoting Beck) say that was wrong? How exactly is it an "attempt" to "rewrite history"?
You are really very ignorant. I hope you will do some reading.
Start with "The Black Book of Communism"
If that is too daunting for you, just start with Ernesto Guevara's diary, or Goebbel's.
A hippie? Hardly. I spent 10 years in Catholic school and four years in military school and 25 years in the Air Force. I am the opposite of a hippie. Your labels don't work on me….
And what does my daughter have to do with anything? I think you are losing any kind of perspective you may have had.
Sure they do.
We don't hold that unfortunate habit against women or minorities.
Oxymoron.
The progressive history of the United States has nothing to do with Nazi Germany, regardless of the nonsense you read on right wing blogs. The attempt on this thread to connect the current Progressive movement to Hitler is shameful and dishonest. And it smacks of being a little bit defensive. I suspect it is because of the modern conservative connection to the white south. The racism is far less blatant than 50 years ago, but the remnants remain. It is no accident the Republican party is 95 percent white.
I may be ignorant, but I can see what is happening all around me… and all around you.
I think he believes every word, and so do I. If it weren't for the protections of the constitution, we would have gone down the socialist path years ago, with Wilson, Roosevelt, Johnson and now Obama. Now that we don't teach the Constitution any more in school, we need to be ever more vigilant.
If my posts offend you then don't read them.
Sorry, I can't stand Glenn Beck. I wouldn't watch his show on a bet.
"This is an attempt by the right wing fringe to define Progressives as a right wing fringe movement… it makes no sense."
It makes no sense because Progressivism is a LEFT-WING movement. Period. The right isn't defining it. That's how it IS. Do. Some. Homework.
Drive by? I have logged over 1500 comments on this blog. I'm not going anywhere.
You don't like to have your nonsense thrown back in your face and it gets a little uncomfortable. I am not going to respond to a bunch of strawman arguments about "socialists and commies", whatever that means. If you ever can come up with an argument that interests me I'll respond. All I've seen from you so far is venting.
"Me: This is what Beck essentially did – universal health care (a good thing to support) equals the curbing of speech and privacy rights, war, torture, death and execution, racism, xenophobia, etc."
EIther you DID NOT watch the program you're talking about and you're taking MediaMatters' word for what was broadcast, OR you didn't pay attention. Glenn mentioned health care ONCE, in the context that it was something HItler espoused.
And when you say things like "as we all know".. well, that's something that you THINK you know. YOu did not watch the program, and you are ignorant of history. The real question is how long you intend for yourself to remain that way.
Without a doubt… and all of the Progressive initiatives I listed are left wing causes. This article tries to define the left as some evil dictatorship. It is ridiculous. It would be ridiculous for me to call you a Nazi, and it's ridiculous for you to do it to me.
"Why were they Democrats?", you should be asking yourself.
They were Democrats because they hated Lincoln, a Republican. They hated that their economy, based mostly on farming, depended on slave labor to be profitable, and emancipation, for good or ill, really hurt the southern economy. Sherman's march didn't help. The South wasn't "racist" so much as it was angry at Northern aggression.
Again, please try to read a history book sometime. Howard Zinn doesn't count as a reliable historian.
You're a FOOL.
And what does any of the mass murders committed by those dictators have to do with American progressives? That is what is so silly about this argument of yours. You point to mass murderers and claim they have something to do with modern progressives… it is baseless. A sensible person would have to ask next… where are all the progressive victims? You cannot connect those dots without making a leap that just doesn't match reality.
Spoken like a true Nazi.