This Week’s Elections: Tea Party Post Mortem
by Patrick TuoheyDoug Hoffman lost his race in the 23rd Congressional District of New York, a seat held by Republicans for the past 120 years. John McHugh held the seat since 1992 and won with such large margins (he was even unopposed in 2002) that when I pitched him to provide polling for his campaign, it was a challenge to even argue why he needed polling in the first place.
Dede Scozzafava was chased out of the race by conservative Tea Party activists. Her campaign may have been inept, and local GOP leaders may have erred in selecting her, but activists had no business dictating terms from afar. Despite her flaws, Scozzafava was ahead in the polls before the Tea Party brouhaha. (So much for respecting local control.) Their result was to actually shrink the Republican caucus in the House of Representatives. (Moreover, the newly-elected Democrat Congressman Bill Owens may provide the deciding vote on passing Pelosi Care, up for debate tonight in the House.) Just as conservative Democrats voted for Speaker Pelosi, liberal Republicans like Scozzafava would have supported the Party’s leadership. A RINO is better than no R at all. The good news is that the district is likely to support the Republican candidate in 2010 after what I suspect will be a vigorous primary.
The most laughable criticism of Scozzafava was that she showed no loyalty to conservatives by endorsing the Democrat in the race–this from Tea Partiers who showed no loyalty to the Republican Party by pushing a third party candidate in the first place.
Here in Missouri, activists were pleased with national results. Twitter was rife with self-congratulatory chatter. One wrote, “Obama’s most significant accomplish? Re-awaking the conservative movement.” Even Missouri’s Lt. Governor Peter Kinder emailed, “This was a referendum on the direction Democrats like Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and Barack Obama are taking our nation. Voters are upset with the failed stimulus, the government’s proposed takeover of our health care system, and the national energy tax known as ‘cap and trade.’”
My fear is that Tea Parties will be so enamored with national politics that they will miss opportunities to win real and lasting victories in state and city races. In Missouri smoldered the ruins of what could have been Tea Party victories: a quarter-cent sales tax in Jackson County won renewal (with 71%) despite the funds once being the subject of a grand jury investigation; usually conservative Springfield passed a new sales tax during a recession (with 55%); and St. Louis passed a smoking ban (with 65%) generally regarded by us righties as an affront to liberty. If this is the “re-awakening of the conservative movement” in a red state that voted for McCain, I fear for the future.
There is a year left before the 2010 elections–and Tuesday should offer a powerful lesson to activists everywhere. Namely, there is no substitute for hard work in smaller local races that actually have an impact on people and their pocketbooks. Activists need to identify potential candidates and campaign staffers in their own neighborhoods, focus on the issues and races where they are best equipped to make a difference and not let small differences overshadow what we have in common.
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This is the same argument that the Republican party used to get Sen. Specter re-elected last time. I was swayed, and I voted for him, and now I am kicking myself in the behind (no jokes please).
Why can't we just vote for conservative principals? That may clean up the Republican Party faster than you think.
Way to miss the point of this loss. This is a win, even with a "D" in the seat, because there was no reason for the local party to nominate such a liberal "Republican". If this was a race in a heavily liberal district, then she may have been acceptable; however, there is no reason to accept such a horribly liberal candidate as a matter of course. These types of candidates have pushed the Republican party into a D-lite version that is no longer acceptable. If I wanted a Democrat in office, I would vote for Democrats.
You've got to have some basic, core beliefs that are non-negotiable and I believe fiscal conservatism is non-negotiable.
Patrick Tuohey, interesting article.
I hear what you are saying, out of both sides of your mouth.
Quite frankly, people are getting tired of being told what, and how to think. We are getting tired of being told, and lectured; from Nancy Pelosi, to Barney Frank, to Newtered Newt Gingrich.
Your article states that Dede didn't show loyalty to conservatives because she endorsed the Democrat; while Tea Partiers showed no loyalty to the Party by endorsing a third party conservative. Sometimes, a line in the sand needs to be drawn, and folks need to stand up. Sometimes, folks need to stop talking from both sides of their mouth, with forked tounge. Sometimes, folks need to stop listening to pollsters. Sometimes, Conservatives need to stand up, and say screw the party. What has the GOP got US?
The GOP got US eight years of the RINO Bush, and the GOP got US Obama.
It is time for a complete change. Obama was right in one respect: everybody needs to grab a mop, and start scrubbing.
Dede had shown her true colors. Us tea partiers were smart to get her out and vote Conservative. And boy was it a very close race. We also need to get McCain, Graham, Snowe, Collins out of office. And make sure that we don't vote for people like Huckabee, Pawlenty, Newt and Romney in the primary for 2012. Obama can easily beat them and we'll be stuck with him until 2016, we can't afford that.
You are incorrect, sir. A RINO is not a (R) when they cannot be trusted to move the values of our party forward. You forget that Hoffman lost by 4 points after only being in the race for 30 days. Not to mention that the 6% of those had voted for Dede would have not been a factor, and more than likely been in the Hoffman camp. Had he been supported throughout the campaign, and had not the 11 appointed someone who looked like they could win, rather than standing on the principles of the party, there would perhaps not be the deciding vote in the pocket of the libs.
Uh, this is what we did in VA. Namely, got conservatives McDonnell and Cuccinelli elected. No RINOS–I do not want to pull the collective knives out of our back from the likes of Spector, Collins and Snowe. Unfortunately, the national Republican party does not get it, e.g., Scoozaffazzfaazfaaz and Crist. We need more primarying till the conservatives retake the party.
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You know, I agree with local control. I didn't contribute to this race for that (and another) reason. Are you telling me that the nearly 1 million dollars the GOP donated to Scozzafava was LOCAL money? I don't think so.
This sentence pretty much sums up why you are so very wrong:
"The most laughable criticism of Scozzafava was that she showed no loyalty to conservatives by endorsing the Democrat in the race–this from Tea Partiers who showed no loyalty to the Republican Party by pushing a third party candidate in the first place."
Conservatives don't value loyalty to the Party above loyalty to conservative principles. But the GOP establishment has made it perfectly clear they do. And they defended their choice of the very liberal Scozzafava (CARD CHECK? Hello?) based on their claim that she was a loyal Republican.
There was nothing 'laughable' or hypocritical about Tea Partiers pointing out that the MAIN selling point the GOP offered- that this was a loyal Republican- was just one more point on which the GOP establishment was dead wrong. Basically, that leaves us with nothing they were right about. And there's no way I will believe she would have voted against the Health Care Bill.
And teh reason Hoffman lost is because Scozzafava dropped out of the race- she is so far to the left that the people supporting her threw their votes to the Democrat. Had she stayed in, I believe Hoffman would have won.
Hmmmm.
1. It is not my -job- to vote Republican.
2. It is the JOB of the Republican party to provide candidates that I am willing to vote for.
3. Don't get it? Then your career will be very short.
I get so tired of combating this inanity. Scozzafava was not forced out by anyone. She lost in the battle of ideas. The polls of voters in her district showed she couldn't win because people realized what a terrible candidate she was. Turns out Republicans aren't all that enamored by people to the left of even the Democratic Party.
The idea that conservative have to shelve principle and support all Republicans all the time is stupid and short-sighted, and is exactly the attitude that got us here. How did supporting Arlen Specter work out for you? Jim Jeffords?
What the Patrick Tuohey's, David Brooks' and David Frum's of the Republican world don't understand is that liberal Republicans hurt the party brand. Elections are determined by politically motivated groups, NOT absolute majorities. The reason this is the case is because NOT EVERYONE VOTES. It is utterly clueless to pretend like there is no electoral cost to be paid for constantly sacrificing principle to elect big government Republicans. We've already seen the cost. Motivating conservatives, which make up the largest single ideological group, is the key to winning. The way to do that is to restore the Republican brand of fiscal discipline and limited government. Electing big government liberals like Dede Scozzafava is doing the exact opposite.
You seem to be forgetting that she'd been rated MORE LIBERAL than the Democrat. Oh and since you're in Missouri, do you have a right to opine on the election?
"Post Mortem" is a flawed title: if we are anything, it is more invigorated and ready to fight to the figurative death.
Your article has only made me more committed.
“…this from Tea Partiers who showed no loyalty to the Republican Party…”
That’s it–conservatives are loyal to conservatism, not to the letter after a candidate’s name. If Republicans won’t stand for conservative principles, then their “moderate” plans must be for watered-down socialism. Good luck with that platform.
Scoob, you're right, but I really caution you on Crist. Senators are supposed to represent their state's interests in Congress, NOT the people. (We have the House of Reprsentatives for that.) Florida is diverse, and needs a Senator that represents his State, not the national Republican party. I'm not hearing anything from Rubio that talks State interests, only Republican and Conservative interests.
I'm not saying Crist is the answer, but Rubio needs to show he can do his job in the Senate for Florida, otherwise he'll end up gifting the election to the Democrats. And no, right now, we can't afford that on "principle."
Well said!
If you trust Katie Coric and the rest of the lame stream media, the Republicans need more RINO's to win elections. I'm sorry, but I really don't think they offer sincere help. We need to return to the conservative principles that will actually benifit the country rather than settling for someone with an R beside their name. California's finding out the hard way.
Can anyone tell me an issue that Scozzafava and Owens would have voted DIFFERENTLY on? I can't honestly think of any. Today she probably would be the lone Republican vote for Pelosicare allowing Dems to say it was "bipartisan". This was a backroom deal by the local party that reflected nothing of rank and file Republicans putting Scozafava in there. Frankly, the loss is valuable if it keeps the party out of touch elites from putting or supporting any candidates like her again. Her endorsing the Democrat in the election is all you need to know that she would be a pain in the a** to principled conservatives. This loss is constructive. The 6% she got of the vote were the early voting and absentee votes that were cast before she dropped out. Hard to know how those would have gone if she were never there. When you think you have enough votes to block something like cap and tax you can rely on Lindsay Graham, the 2 Maine girls, and John McCain to be "bipartisan" so they can be the belles of the ball in the media.
Someone posted a link on Twitter to a NY Times obituary of a Democrat who represented that area (though the district number was different then) within my lifetime. That Dem was succeeded by another Dem., so where does this "Republican for 130 years" crap come from?
Scozzafava was a shill and a GOP infiltrator.
As soon as you figure out who in the Republican party those people are the better.
Why am I not surprised to see that the moron who wrote this article used to work for Frank Luntz. Patrick Tuohey (the author of this article) is another political class high society hack. He is basically telling us we aren't qualified to get involved in these matters and we should just shut up. I bet he thinks Bachman's little house call on capital hill was a complete waste of time also.
Mr. Tuohey, I couldn't agree more. Local politics should come first, uhmmm, except that the constitution has been shredded and limited/shared powers doctrine has been thrown right out the window.
Who gives a damn about a local sales tax that pales in comparison to what the Federal government will be doing to us if this outrageous spending is not stopped.
Read the first paragraph: Patrick Tuohey is a professional pollster. Quite frankly, I'm getting tired of these professional peckerwoods telling me anything, let alone how I should think, act, or vote. If people like that want a real job, that contributes to the GDP, why don't they flip burgers at Wendys, as opposed to creating "value" for their bogus industry? They are part of the never ending election cycle; part of the machine. They are not part of any solution, they are in fact part of the problem.
"this from Tea Partiers who showed no loyalty to the Republican Party by pushing a third party candidate in the first place."
It is not my job to be loyal to a party. They work for me, not the other way around.
That picture scared the hell out of me!
There is no way that Scozzafava would have voted against Pelosi care. How better could she have made a name for herself than to follow this crap bill and this crap movement? This dude is retarded if he thinks this is going to kill the Tea Party movement. If anything, it reinvigorated the movement. RINOs out!
Gads, if Scozzafava was a true (R) she would have endorsed Hoffman. That's what mature, professional team players do, no matter what,. When they drop out they throw their support to unite, not undercut. It also helps to mention that Owens and Scozzafava were both listed on the ballots – TWICE EACH! WHat a joke!
And Hoffman STILL got 45%. He got a bigger percent than Bill CLinton did to win the presidency, with Bush I and Ross Perot on the ballot, so he was and remains a serious contender.
Scozzafava was either totally self-centered spiteful OR purposely sucked up nearly a cool million, diverting funds which could have helped Hoffman, everything calculated to help the (D). The GOP should have taken the Tea Partiers warning early on that she wasn't going to be reliable, in any way shape or form.
After thinking about how this all happened, I wonder if getting rid of this early voting thing would be an answer? Due to the fact Scozzafava got 6% of the vote, possibly most from early voting, and when she removed herself from the race Hoffman would have won. I think there is too much of an opportunity for early votes to be messed with, and we should be the patriots we are and vote on election day, Just my opinion though.
I have been a registered Republican and have voted Republican since 1968. Patrick, you can take your ideas along with the rest of the Republican party and join the socialists. Give me Liberty or Give Me Death!
Exactly!
Dede Scozzafava endorsed the Democrat, not the Conservative endorsed by the NRCC. Yet the naive Mr. Touhey believes Scozzafava would have obeyed her House party leaders.
Perhaps his dissatisfaction with the Tea Party movement is a manifestation of his deeper disappointment that, yet again, the Great Pumpkin skipped his house on Halloween.
Any candidate that supports/is supported by ACORN will never get my vote. Dede is one of those.
I feel the same way. I no longer give to the Republican Party but do give to the candidate with Conservative values. If enough of us do this, they might get the message!
As soon as I saw Scuzzyfava on the tube, I knew she was not a real Republican. I mean LOOK AT HER. There is no comparing her to Michelle Bachman or Sarah Palin. She is defintely more of a PELOSI.
Mr. Tuohey,
Conservatives reached the tipping point, and it's the Republicans that caused it. The RINOs and spineless conservative Republicans have given the Democrats and liberals everything they've wanted, have acquiesced on every important vote, and refuse to listen. The party screwed up; the people did their job.
Moderates serve a useful purpose in the Republican party. They are like when a Division 1 football team plays a division 2 team. A useful scrimmage against what they might face in a real game, and if the conservative cannot beat a moderate in the relatively conservative Republican primary then they would most likely fail in the general election in which case it is better to have someone somewhat conservative than not, and after all, most moderates go as the wind blows. Snowe, Collins, et. al. have been opposing the government take-over of health care. WHY? Not because they have a strong conservative principles but because WE THE PEOPLE (the Tea Parties) have led the way for them to understand what is at stake. These moderates are talking much more like conservatives as of late. When it comes to moderates, we the people have to provide the leadership; they will not.
Patrick
Koolaid comes in two flavors one with a D and one with an R I suggest you rethink your assumptions. Tea Party folks are not Republicans we are republicans (small r) we beleive in conservative principals and want to take the Republican party in a new direction. This Rino would have voted for health care and cap and trade as would many other member of the GOP if they beleived they could hide behind the old "it is the best deal we could get, we have to play the cards we are dealt". The tea party folks want to upturn the table, clear the temple of the soft money changers and cheats. We are taking this local all over America and we will continue to. If I choose to send my money to a candidate running for in a local election that will be voting on national issues so be it . What sanctamonius elitist do with there money is there business. One thing I know is they will not be getting mine nor will the GOP unless they start standing for founding principles. …
…This election was selected because it was a one year post it is a shot across the bow. We owed no allegence to Dede Scozzafava, We owe no allegiance to the GOP. The GOP owes an allegience to us we are the grass roots we are campaign funds. We will own this party, if not this election cycle the next. We are not going home and waiting for our "betters" to fix this. Before you lecture us on the laughability of the critisism on Dede Scozzafava loyalty consider the source that came from the RINOs who supported her not the tea party folks. we knew better.
This guy just does not get it….does not get it…….does not get it…..
Tuohey says;
"The most laughable criticism of Scozzafava was that she showed no loyalty to conservatives by endorsing the Democrat in the race–this from Tea Partiers who showed no loyalty to the Republican Party by pushing a third party candidate in the first place."
Get a clue Tuohey, Scozzafava was no conservative and her hypocritical type of "R" is worse than any type of "D". Conservatives owe no loyalty to the republican party, the republicans abandoned us YEARS ago. We are coming for ALL elected officials no matter what party they caucus with. If they do not want to follow the constitution then they are on the list. I suggest we take out hypocrites with an "R" next to their name FIRST.
It is the belief that the Republican Party should be more welcoming and have a "big-tent" that has given us Pelosi, Reid and B. Hussein Obama! You are wrong sir! As one other poster put it, my job is NOT to vote Republican, the RNC's job is to put forward candidates that I will vote for. I will NOT vote for someone simply because of their party affiiation.
Here in Missouri, I have witnessed the Missouri Republican party run one conservative after another off. They did it in the Senate race that gave us Claire McCaskill. They are doing it again by putting ALL of their resources behind Roy "I just Smoked a" Blunt, a man that is more RINO than he is conservative. The Missouri Republican party will hand that senate seat to an ACORN funded, crooked idiot named Robin Carnahan.
The Republican party needs to wake up! Michael Steele simply needs to go away! Unless they do, I would almost bet the farm that you will see the rise of a third party run by Conservatives. The Republican party will simply cease to exist.
Activists need to identify potential candidates and campaign staffers in their own neighborhoods,
As a former resident in John Mica's district, and a former Republican I can attest to only one thing that the "local" Republican party ever wanted from me: money. And if not money, then some sort of prestige. Activism? At most just some push-polling on the phones.
There was a vigorous discussion of this perplexing and enervating characteristic of the GOP on my blog a while back and I was amazed at the number of younger Republican women who found no room for involvement in the social/political activities of the GOP. It's outdated and perhaps (I hope not) hopelessly tin-eared to women under the age of 50.
Besides, "tea party" is a misnomer. It's more of a Whiskey Rebellion in the making.
1st Big Government writer I am going to avoid… Congratulations, Patrick Tuohey, you are a moron.
It's time to stop being party hacks and start voting with our conscience. You're just wrong in your assessment. If the Republicans keep putting big-government candidates up for vote, the Republican party is going to continue to lose. You don't have to put full on conservatives up, but they do need to be true to the constitution, and not power hungry. What happened to Dede was good, unfortunate for her, but it was inevitable. The republicans screwed up, and I'd rather the Democrat get that spot then another RINO.
I'm glad everyone else here gets it. I read his article several times, and kept asking myself, "is it me, am I missing something"? The more I read it, the madder I got. I don't need some condescending clown, some pompous, pious, pontificating peckerwood talking down to me any longer. Newt was enough.
It is time for people to get pissed off, and stand up. Enough is enough. People like the writer, got US to where we are today, and it is a sad, despicable state of affairs.
I will not support the GOP when they pick a RINO, she would have voted for this health care bill an we all know it.
Scuzzyface was a Trojan Horse. A turncoat that played the game of "under the table" deals. Money talks and she was a weak and disgusting female who opted out for the pay. Code Pink is calling you Scuzzy…answer the phone.
As for the GOP Committee who nominated her: RINOS.
Thats who we need to get rid of first….the Committee Rinos.
Made up by somebody's spin machine. In fact NY23 was a Dem seat 1923-1973.
I told the same to Mr. Tuohey a short time back.
Pity he didn't listen…
Mr. Hoffman can now campaign for the nomination. And as you say, win it.
Then he can run against Mr. Owens and his record in the office, as Pelosi could not wait to hurry up and swear in the Democrats and have them help save her votes on the bills.
WE can now point to the NY party as having less than any clue as to who they put up as a candidate, (didn't they KNOW what she was)? And, without Dede being available to provide even the most minimalist of fig leaves of bipartisanship for the current crop of bills…they FULLY OWN THE ISSUE…no Bush here…
Mr. Hoffman saved the Party from putting their foot directly into the dog squeeze…you should be praising him from on high…
"The difficulty of tactical maneuvering consists in turning the devious into the direct, and misfortune into gain…"
Sun Tzu
Moreover, I wrote this a year ago:
Our Republican leaders have held onto power by scaring us, telling us we don't want to see a Democrat majority with a Democrat President. So, we keep on re-electing them, fearing third-party Ross Perot losses to Clinton-like candidates. And the Old Guard refuses to yield any real voice or power to the younger pups who I believe are every bit as smart when it comes to what is True. They may be green on how to leech more cash from lobbyists or taxpayers, but that's not exactly a strike against them. Well hello, the Democratic majority is here now. And the Big Dogs are toothless to stop it.
It's time to put every single Republican leader on notice: you're out. This will accomplish one or two things: They will know they are toast and will man-up and do whatever it takes to assuage their Base. Or, they will pander even more with empty promises to you and very fat promises to their lobbyists and other freeloaders. But wait! Your part here is important, because no matter what sort of backbone they exhibit at this point is too little too late. You will thank them for their late efforts and politely kick them to the curb. Hard.
Pat Tuohey
http://www.marcomresearch.com/TMRad.htm
I was right. A professional pollster. That just turned me off, right quick.
The idea that republicans would give dede one cent and one moment of her time considering she was a big supporter of card check is ASININE.
Bouncing her out on her ass was the Right thing to do.
If she would have voted with the republicans ——-than why did she turn around and support the democrat???
and don't forget, that owens fella broke 4 promises in less than one hour. even obama said if he would tell the honest truth, no way he gets elected. with good old nancy, and barry, how much longer would it have taken dede to brake any number of promises? the people who voted for owens are now stuck for one year with a liar for a representative. how many of those idiots from ny-23 will be dumb enough to vote for that windbag owens again?
"Brevity is the soul of wit…"
Ben Franklin.
"An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it. Truth stands, even if there be no public support. It is self sustained."
Mahatma Gandhi
+1 to you, sir!
I seem to remember the last candidate selected for us was John McCain while kicking out all of the real conservatives in the race.
Nuff said.
"I am no partisan apologist, mind you, and would not support Ms. Scozzafava."
Patrick Tuohey in another Big Government post two weeks ago:
http://biggovernment.com/2009/10/25/honey-i-shrun...
Wrong and wrong.
Who the hell cares about ACORN? I certainly don't while my money is being poured into AIG, Goldman Sachs, and Blackwater. You Fox News drones need to grow up. There's graft everywhere, and there was plenty while Bush was in power. We try and hold the government accountable and all you do is yell about Van Jones and birth certificates. I don't give a crap. I just want to see a sustainable society, that's what the "conserve" in conservative should really be about.
The more I look at Pat Tuohey
http://www.marcomresearch.com/our_clients.htm
The madder I get. I don't need some goddamned professional pollster, telling me how I should think, or vote.
I supported Big Government here since day one, but someone writing from on high, from their throne, reeks of bias. It reeks of impropriety. It smacks of skewing the thought process of the populace. Tuohey needs to write for Ariana Huffington.
Is this just me? I'd like some of you alls input here. I think it stinks.
The more I look at Pat Tuohey
http://www.marcomresearch.com/our_clients.htm
The madder I get. I don't need some goddamned professional pollster, telling me how I should think, or vote.
I supported Big Government here since day one, but someone writing from on high, from their throne, reeks of bias. It reeks of impropriety. It smacks of skewing the thought process of the populace. Tuohey needs to write for Ariana Huffington.
Is this just me? I'd like some of you alls input here. I think it stinks.
You are right on with your analysis.
"The GOP got US eight years of the RINO Bush, and the GOP got US Obama. " —-Couldn't agree more!
Well said!
Not sure, but what I am sure about is that Tuohey doesn't understand the Tea Party movement at all…
Tea Party participant does not = republican.
WHEN WILL THE GOP GET THE MESSAGE? WE ARE SICK OF RINOS! AND THE DEMOCRAT PARTY NEEDS TO GET THE MESSAGE, STOP PUTTING IN COMMUNIST RACIST THUGS
Is this a fucking joke? I'm pretty damn sure it isn't April yet.
Holly,
You are right. Enough is enough. We are fed up.
Cowboy I am not happy with this clown, but perhaps we need the purging experience. The division between that which was and that which will be is palpable. Wait I think I just purged some heartshaped junks.. lets throw him under the bus
Scozzafava would have been a political Hasan.
"The most laughable criticism of Scozzafava was that she showed no loyalty to conservatives by endorsing the Democrat in the race–this from Tea Partiers who showed no loyalty to the Republican Party by pushing a third party candidate in the first place."
Since when are the TEA partiers beholden to the tax and spend Republicans?
I guess the writer is clueless to what the TEA party is all about.
Yeah, because our party would be so much stronger with hacks like Scuzzy stabbing us in the back at every turn. C'mon man, look at some of the people/groups that were endorsing this hack.
This is so crucial. As we've seen over and over with the Maine twins, if just one RINO votes for something then suddenly it's "bipartisan" and conservatives are just a bunch of naysayers trying to block the "will of the people". That meme gets parroted by the MSM and then I end up having to explain that Olympia Snowe is NOT a conservative, and barely a Republican and that the vast majority of conservatives don't want their tax dollars paying for abortions (or whatever craziness they get one of the RINOs to vote for).
By forcing out Scozzafava, the Dems don't have that RINO (or DIABLO – Democrat In All But Label Only) voice to make a Kabuki bipartisanship, and instead they have to make their new Democrat break most of his electioneering promises in the first few hours of his congressional life.
Not bad, Mr. Hofman. Not bad at all. And thanks to the conservatives who get it. To paraphrase a bunch of good old boys, a Conservative don't need Ol' Pat Tuohey around anyhow.
The opportunity here is to get, stand behind, and encourage conservatives of every stripe. D or R is not enough anymore. Dede proved that in a direct way.
And pollsters are becoming part of the problem…
That's right! It's a matter of principal!
Patrick like most just don't get it… there is no D or R in commonsense.
I vote on principle not Party!
Even if Scuzzywuzzy won the seat would have still lost to a Democrat. Scuzzbucket had every intention of screwing the GOP and becoming a Democrat had she won. She was ACORN endorsed and when she dropped out endorsed Democrat Owens. I wish people in the GOP would learn that just because someone has an "R" doesn't mean we're going to vote for them. Blind allegance to a party is what led how the Marxist were able to take over the Democratic party.
Clueless Pat Tuohey. Here is a list of his "Case Studies."
http://www.marcomresearch.com/case_studies.htm
Perhaps he ought do a poll to see how his recent article was received; maybe do a focus group, on how to win friends and influence conservative voters.
The more i look at this, the madder I get. Ariana Huffington lecturing me would have gotten the same result. I do not need an insider, I do not need someone who studied with Bill Schneider at CNN. It stinks.
Leave it to a party man to blame the "Rabble" if the Tokyo-RINO's had not had their hearts set on another left wing mongrel in the party NY 23 could have easily been taken.
The RINO's lost 23, if by chance we had just been good little drones like you want DuhDuh would have lost anyway, and if she would have won we would have lost.
Conservatives, Liberatarians, and Independents have had enough of your beltway blather, your as tone deaf as Tokyo-Newt, it's the policy of corrupticrats is going down in flames.
If DuhDuh is the level of tactical sophistication we can expect from you and your RINO dingbats God help us all.
To hell with the Republican Party! They’ve morphed into big government Washington. No Child Left Behind, Prescription Drug Benefit for Seniors, Immigration Reform, TARP, these are not conservative principles. We’ve allowed some Republican politicians to attend some of our Tea Parties lately, be nice or we’ll run you off, get “right” or get gone. We want less government not more, never again will we allow the Republican Party to co-opt the mantle Conservative as a catch phrase. If you’re in the political business, don’t make long term plans.
The writer made one valid point: Involvement at the local, township, county and state level is essential, because that's where the national candidates cut their teeth (and can be weeded out with less difficultyy). Working at the precinct and committee level allows input into which candidates will get on the slate.
The writer is out of his skull, though, on his "analysis" of NY23: The GOP spent nearly a cool $Mil in anti-Hoffman advertising, to try to benefit Scuzzie — and she still wound up in single digits. For the 900 Grand spent on her behalf, she OWED it to the Party to at least stand mute. That alone reflects a complete lack of principle on her part. And, If the GOP had not dumped all of the smears and sleaze on Hoffman, there's a darn good chance he would've beaten Owens, And, in the third place, the tea partiers are not just Republicans, they are also Democrats and Independents – they are concerned for our country, not for a political party.
If the writer doesn't get that, he really should put a sock in it..
I had the same thought, mail in-s and early voting, the whole system is corrupt we can't even insist that your an American citizen before you vote.
Disgusting
Mr. Tuohey is just upset that he didnt get to go to antother cocktail ball, we screwed up his whole social calendar, now he and lovey will have to make other plans.
Overeducated underperfroming Oaf's seem to be all the rage these days in the RINO Sty, oh sorry Big Tent
They redistrict so often that you can't get an accurate count.
The only fools who are saying the 100+ year stuff are the RINO's and the Leftists
Stan,
I couldn't agree with you more. "Get right or get gone"? That is what the problem is: they "Caint get right".
The author above proves that the RINO's and Elites are still tone deaf, what made this oaf think he would get anything other than a tounge lashing here?
His tone was like he was signing to the Choir, this is one of the guys that helps with messaging? LMAO, if we win in 2010 with his help it will be a real miracle.
Oh, the shameful behavior of the Tea Party. It’s all soooooo unconventional isn’t it, Mr. Tuohey? So sorry your are having such a hard time wrapping your head around it. Sincerely.
My wife and I have been to three Tea Party’s (invigorating experience) in only one was a politician allowed to speak, and that was the worst one. Establishment Washington must attempt to co-opt this amazing spontaneous energy, in other words control, as we are a threat to the entire federal beaurocracy right and left. The people in these crowds are not parasitic rent-a-mobs, but tax paying, business owning, God fearing, proud Americans, and we are the real power in this country. We stop buying into the pyramid scheme that is the imperial federal government, game over. Like Reagan said “trust but verify” these SOBs work for us not the other way around.
Mr. Tuohey has been bitching about the Tea Party's since the git-go. I would be curious to know if he offered, or extended, or "hit them up" for his services, and if he was turned down? If so, his credability just went out the window. It is obvious he just doesn't "get" the Tea Party concept, perhaps there is an underlying reason?
Stan wrote some good points above: The Republican Party has morphed into Immigration, Perscription Drugs, No Child Left Behind, TARP and a host of other non core value beliefs, in an attempt to extend the big tent. To become Democrat Lite. In the end, what has this done? Has it helped US? Has it strengthened the Party? No. Ultimately it has bastardized the brand
When the Republicans start showing loyalty to principles I'll start showing loyalty to them, did you not this guy is acting like he's writing to fellow travelers?
I have no problem with picking a smart RINO in a blue dog state, that makes sense actually, but tossing someone who Mao would have thought was a little to left of center was incompetence x 1000 and totally useless regardless of outcome.
That obsurd part of this was that Hoffman was not exactly the most charismatic guy nor did he have much of a plan, and with only 3 weeks of campaigning he almost won, imagine if the RINO's had actually picked someone decent and supported them?
Yeah sure WE screwed up the election, get back to your RINO masters with your tail between your legs you leftist mongrel, the people have had enough of lefty and lefty light.
Typical beltway mentality. How is it that the Tea Party owes its loyalty to the GOP when the mess this country finds itself in right now was all made possible by borrow and spend RINOs. The Bush Administration and House Minority Leader Tom DeLay teamed up to destroy the party's image of fiscal responsibility and a bunch of think tank neocons got us into Iraq under the guise of WMD.
Another thing, putting the CEO of Goldman Sachs in charge of the Treasury, leading to the TARP bailout is outrageous!
Obama is right on one thing. He DID inherit a mess and his ascension to office was brought on by the public's disgust with the GOP.
A couple of clarifications in terms: Conservative does not necessarily equate to GOP and in no way does it equate to Neocon.
There are presently more Democrats in this country than Republcans and more Conservatives than Democrats. As long as the GOP continues to espouse the disastrous policies that sent them into the wilderness, they can expect to continue losing.
Stan, you said:
" Establishment Washington must attempt to co-opt this amazing spontaneous energy, in other words control, as we are a threat to the entire federal beaurocracy right and left."
You summed it ALL up, quite succinctly, and conscisely. That is it, in a nutshell. The parasitic rent-a-mobs you mentioned? That is CON-gress. They are leeches. They do nothing to contribute to society, they do not contribute to the GDP. They are blood sucking vermin, and the minute they see something, anything gaining power, gaining strength, they immediately attach to the "host" and start sucking the lifeblood from it. if CON-gress ever had an original idea, it was long before my time.
This is the second blog post of Tuohey which he gets an earful. Will he learn from it? I doubt it. He didn't learn from the first one. Since he devises and reads polls, he should remember that this is a CENTER-RIGHT country. We want to vote for CENTER-RIGHT candidates. Maybe he should actually read the polls again, this time use glasses.
I get lots of mailings and phone calls from the RNC, the NRSC, and the NRCC. The next time they call, I guess I'll tell them that Patrick Tuohey says I should get involved in my local races, that's why I won't be giving them money.
The national Republicans are all about conservatives getting involved in races outside of their state or district when it means giving them money. Sorry, I'm no longer interested. Getting Republicans elected has gotten fiscal conservatives nothing for 20 years. I'm not helping them any more.
Patrick just got a bad order at Author Bryants and he is confused AGAIN
If DeDe had won, it would have bben worse as she would have been
the ONLY REPUBLICAN supporting Obama's Marxist Health Plan!
Thew Tea party has given ALL Americans a chance by keeping DeDE Scarzoffa out of the RACE!
The higher-leaning institutional version of the hokie-pokie…….it’s where they tilt their head to the left, and then to the right. And, oh look! They’ve dumped their God given commonsense on the ground.
That’s what it’s all about!
Yes.
Exactly.
A) Her name was on the ballot.
B) What she did after she dropped out is a million times more important in shining a light on why she never should have been the candidate in the first place: SHE ENDORSED THE OPPOSING PARTY'S CANDIDATE!
that is all
Who cares whether some one who calls themselves conservative is elected or not if they are really a liberal democrat on the inside. I would rather lose an election than vote for a phony. At least then when things really go to hell, the people running the country into the ground will be wearing their true moniker. Maybe then the masses will remember who really screwed it up.
this cow would have voted for the health control bill.
James,
You are right, to a point. TARP? AIG, Goldman Sachs, GM, Chrysler, Freddie and Fannie? All jokes. You speak of holding government accountable. Would that be with, or without Health Care?
Van Jones? A Communist. Would you support him?
The birth cert? That has never been fully addressed, or put to rest.
As long as she thought she could milk it for all it was worth.
He is a pollster. He probably looks at the thread, and thinks: "Gee, I got a lot of feedback, 300, 400 responses. I am popular, wow, look at me"……….
912Candidates.org, one of the organizations that endorsed Hoffman's campaign has been conducting interviews with the volunteer staff that put together a poll climbing race on "Six Weeks Notice."
Articles will be published on 912Candidates.org starting at 8pm CET and each day following.
Please visit http://912Candidates.org and feel free to offer your questions and insight.
And never forget: NEWT SUPPORTED HER!
Jacob,
Thank you! WE can seize OUR party back from those who hijacked it. Back from the Dede's, the Newts, and the rest of the charlatans. They just don't get it, do they. WE will show them what astroturf really is…………..
"The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane."
~ Marcus Aurelius ~
This idiotic nonsense has to stop. Party loyalty? A party will get my loyalty when it is loyal to my ideals and no sooner. The Republicans are worse than the Democrats–Republicans like to campaign on small government, but they throw good money after bad just as much as the Democrats do.
Sorry Pat, but you're wrong on a few points. A vote for a FAZI (fascist/socialist) is a vote for a FAZI whether a D or R follows their name.
Newt was wrong all along, and I so had hopes for him. The concessions Republicans need to make are toward the Conservative base and not to Dems. Newt, or any Republican, needs to court us, not bash us. We are NOT the enemy here and you won't succeed in marginalizing us.
The Tea Party is not a group defending Republicans or RINOs – it is a group which defends the US Constitution.
Even Glenn Beck said, "if you turn this into a Republican or Democrat party then it's finished."
We defend liberty, protest and/or vote against taxation without representation, and defend our right to keep and bear arms. We defend our right to free speech and right to assemble. Yes we are conservatives – against big government (not this website, I mean! <wink>) – but we're not all republicans and we are not all Libertarians or Democrats. We are from ALL parties or we're independents, so Hoffman WAS the right choice for the Tea Party.
Get used to it. We demand more from the dopes in DC.
First of all, since there was no primary, the committee who nominated Dede for the race were the ones who ignored local choices and threw down the gauntlet. When Hoffman realized what Dede's true colors were, he picked up the gauntlet. I have no regrets about helping get Dede out of the way. Owens is to the right of Dede and will be more valuable to Repubs than Dede. There was no guarantee that Dede would support any R platform, becasue she certainly didn't BEFORE the special election. Dede needed to put her big-girl panties on when she dropped out of the race. No one made her back Owens, that was her natural choice. She was weak and dishonest. You need to get your big-boy pants on, too, and realize that we conservatives are not going to back unsuitable cndidates, no matter what they call themselves. You are whining because the RNC tried to pull a fast one over on the conservatives and force them to vote for and unsuitable candidate just because she had an R next to her name. Even Newt and Steele figured out that the conservatives were right and the R party was wrong.
Absolutely, mom4no hate! The author of this article just does not get it! Conservatives do NOT need the Republican party, but the Republicans desperately need conservatives! The GOP forced John McCain on the country…and lost. The GOP forced Bob Dole on the country…and lost. George Bush Senior ruled to the left of Reagan AND LOST. Will the GOP never wake up? Ladies and gentlemen, we need a third party.
God, I love you guys! It is so refreshing to read your replies and know that I am not alone in my feelings of Conservitives vx. Republican Party. You all have said it better than I can, but i would like to add a little insight into what is happening in my part of the world. I am 69 yrs. old and live in a suburb of Dallas, T x. For years all the local pols were Republicans. Last year there was a clean sweep and we lost all of them (or almost all). My daughter is a successful attorney and also a Republican activist here. She has decided to run for office and is making the rounds of all the Republican clubs in the area and is speaking and doing all the meet and greets that are already underway for 2010. She is as conservative as they come and has been the President of a Dallas Republican Womens Club for multiple t erms. She finds it interesting that everywhere she goes the club members and others really are grilling the candidates as to their conservative credentials. They are not just sitting back and accepting what they are hearing from the candidates. The candidates are having to back up their positions with examples of how they are conservative. Just saying it is not good enough. You got to be able t o back it up here to be taken seriously. This is new here. It use to be same old same old. Make the rounds, smile, suck up and tout your positions. Now they are being asked hard questions and are expected to be able to prove they are not new to the positions. This is happening all over this area. I take it as a sign (however small or isolated) that the folks have been awakened and are starting to pay attention. For what it is worth I think it is better to purge the party of the Rinos and if we lose a few seats to start with we will be better in the long run.
Crist–stands up on a podium, plays kissy face with Obama, and praises the stimulus. Does he appeal to the Spector wing of the Democrat, I mean Republican party in Florida? Haven't you seen the recent polls in Florida? Rubio is ahead of the Democrat in a head-to-head polls.
I heard the same thing in VA. Don't pick Cuccinelli for AG–he is too conservative. He can't win statewide. And he wins by 18.
Ok–Rubio needs to tout state issues. I am sure that he will by the time of the primary election in about 9 months.
We need conservatives to roll back this race to socialism. The House is about to pass the Pelosi health care monostrosity this evening. Are wishy-washy moderates going to be aggressive in fighting for our freedom and liberty? Who organized the health care house call Thursday on the Hill? It was Bachmann, not Castle or Kirk (Cap and Trade Traitors). In my opinion, we need conservatives.
Cowboy is correct ! A line has been drawn in the sand, cross it, come to our side and support this great nations constution as it was written, use common sense and lower taxes to support business to make us viable on the world market. Get out of our healthcare and our lives or "Your outta here". I cannot wait for the next election cycle….heads are going to roll. Is yours one of them? Pick your side because the next election cycle is coming!
You are correct. The Constitution; first, last, and always.
His blog is the exact opposite of what the Tea Party is all about. It isn't about electing Republicans or Democrats. It is about getting people in office who respect the Constitution. It is about holding the ones in office accountable.
We, Tea Partiers, have learned that although Representatives are locally elected, their votes have national ramifications. If we want this government to relect a center right populace, we need center right politicians.
Ahhh! Sixty-nine years old. Then you will remember this slogan from 1964, " A choice, not an echo."
So, the Tea Party folks showed a lack of loyalty by getting Dede to drop out? Last I checked, most Tea Party folks consider their allegiances to lie with the Constitution and conservatism and not a particular party. Also, Dede would have been a Pelosicare vote anyway! I agree with a previous poster, we do not need any more Spencers!!
Bob,
Thank you for what you wrote. I wish your daughter success. It is great people are waking up and asking the hard questions. It is about time. Years ago, I was from Texas. I left because there were too many people. Too many people from North of the Red River moving in, and too many people from south of the Rio Grande.
Damn…the health bill just passed in the house…..JUST DAMN…..Bela Pelosi thank you, do I kiss your behind now or when I need to see a dr.?
Well….Pelosi just got her 218 votes. And the House just erupted in applause. But let's see how happy they are a year from now, when they're sitting at home. crying into their pillows – watching C-SPAN.
I won't rest until I see any local Dems who voted for HR 3962 beaten in 2010.
Enjoy it, because YOU ARE OUT in '10.
It's enough to make freemen want to puke.
Well boys and girls, Nancy Pelosi just had a multiple orgasm and banged the gavel. It's a sad day in Amerika.
I agree. We must get our acts together now.
Soon, very soon we will not be free any longer. The day will soon come when we will be told what to do every day, what to eat at each meal and even what temp we can heat our house to…..Just Damn
i have a question; excuse me, i'm naive. can republicans overturn this in 2010 or 2012/2013?
because of OBAMA, we got screwed over. if we still had bush, the liberals wouldnt DARE bring up this idea.
Gee, and with thinking like yours, can you explain why the lone Republican, Cao, from LA, voted for the bill?
I think Geraldo had an orgasm too….he was estatic. What a jerk that guy is and has been for so many years.
Are you kidding me? I have no loyalty to a party, only to principles. Sadly, many Republicans are unpricipled.
You can thank the STUPID GOP 'leadership' in Illinois for Obama.
They ran out of office the first Republican US Senator from IL in 20 yrs.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,111159,00.htm...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Fitzgerald_(se...
Where was that Republican loyalty then? Oh wait, the IL GOP just wanted another unprincipled lackey.
Then, there was no incumbent in the 2004 race (again, after the first Republican in 20 yrs. won in 2000). Disaster followed.
The Republican who won the primary had to drop out due to scandal. And who won the Democratic primary and was his opponent? Barack Obama. But it gets worse.
The IL GOP chose an outsider and an unknown from Maryland, Alan Keyes, to replace the candidate who dropped out due to a scandal, and this was about 2 months before the election. . Talk about a bone-headed move.
The IL GOP handed the election on a silver platter to Obama and he won in a landslide. Of course, not long after he began his run for the presidency.
I can't say it enough. The IL GOP drove out a conservative Republican and he was replaced with Obama. There's your Republican leadership for you.
I won't support Republicans who are entrenched in all that is wrong with politics.
As I said before:
"
The line is drawn, sir. We stand here, and no force in Heaven or on Earth will move us. We stand with Adams, Aurelius, Jefferson, Madison, Franklin, and a long line of others; even to Ronald Wilson Reagan.
We will no longer be counted amongst those who forge the chains that we will wear. We will be bloodied, but we will not submit. We will be beaten, but we will stand tall. We may even die for our principles, but we will live on forever in the hearts and minds of free men and women.
The line is drawn. This far. NO further. We will take our country back. It will once more belong to the PEOPLE.
Stand where you wish, sir. I stand with my fellows against tyranny, and oppression, and servitude to government.
I will stand for FREEDOM! "
Pelosi may have her votes, but I WILL NOT SUBMIT.
I hope they have lots of jail space… because you may drag me kicking and screaming into Socialism, but I won't contribute to it…forcibly or otherwise…
Because like RINOs everywhere, they can be bought for the right price…
Why the hell do you even write here? You lack the critical thinking demonstrated by the other authors.
The tea party isn't an arm of the GOP, nancy. They don't owe them anything.
To my friends here at Big Government:
"Sharpen your long knives, dear ones, for there is killing of careers to be done. Those who will not bend to the will of the people must pay for their atrocity, and the best payment will be to force them to live like us under these laws; those whom they deserted in the hour of principle…"
It is time to plot and plan, to destroy careers and elevate others to them, to do what must be done…
This article has to be a parody. No one in the GOP could really believe this crap. Can you imagine the rebels who got so fed up that they created the Boston Tea Party, saying "We shouldn't do this because it will hurt our chances with the king". The author of this piece of crap would be a British subject if he had lived in the pre-revolutionary days.
Right on memomachine!
As a Tea Partier, I can say that expecting me to vote Republican is a foolish assumption. I will vote for the fiscally conservative candidate. I am a fiscal conservative and a social libertarian, go figure. So Mr. Tuohey… don't try to lay a voting preference on me. Tea Parties have NOTHING to do with political parties. They have everything to do with honoring THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and protecting it. Freedom and Liberty.
The best thing that the Republican's can do, is to endorse the fiscally conservative, constitution-protecting candidate, who will fight this Marxist threat.
So I guess Patrick Tuohey wants us to believe that this rhino was a good Republican, I don't think so, she was against everything that most Republican stand for and then she indorsed the Lefty. Now every one wants to blame and point fingers, face it the concretive can into the race late and fought a good battle if Scuzzyfava would have indorsed him he would have won. So she’s a Lefty and those that put her in the race should be pushed to a lower position in the party.
The good news is that the district is likely to support the Republican candidate in 2010 after what I suspect will be a vigorous primary.
I hope. I wish. They young have left the area to locations with better opportunities. The economic rot in upstate NY has been going on for decades leaving those left there grovelling for federal/state handouts or a cushy union job regardless of the political consequences..
The issues and the positions between the candidates in that district could not have been clearer if you were in the least bit paying attention.
There is going to have to be a lot more pain, the reality that socialism stagnates an economy and makes high unemployment permanent like in Europe and that higher taxes are a given and that the world's thugs will have their way with the weak before the most obtuse and clueless Americans wise up. Query your co-workers and neighbors and you'll find most don't have a clue what is going on. The MSM garbage is still ingested whole. Sorry. but, there is a lot more stupidtiy and misery to come before things turn around here.
I am freaking SICK TO DEATH of arguments that we should back those who will not vote principle. It is people like this woman who have got us to where we are today. It is electing her in the first place that is the cause of these problems, not getting rid of her. I am sick of a R leadership that will not stand and deliver truth, instead cowed by the media and the left. We have a serious problem and now my life and that of my kids and my kids kids is on the line, as of tonight, as those who would be our masters seek to seal the deal.
RNC, if you cannot and will not stand up for us, you need to go.
Hey Pat, we should all play along to get along. Bullshit. What about the Rhino from New Orleans who voted for Pelosi Care tonignt? Where is Arlen Specter? Oh, he's a Democrat now. Looks like you can't count him in your caucus.
Your a sucker.
At this point, I wouldn't vote a straight ticket even if I got my d__k sucked for it.
I have to disagree with the article. We can't just sit back any longer when the GOP (local, state or national) backs a RINO. We've done that way too long and look what it got us. A Republican party that is drifting further and further to the left.
The Republican leaders have for too long ignored the majority of the party voters who want Conservative candidates. All we get offered up are more RINO candidates. Since neither the local, state and national will listen to the voters then the voters need to take the fight to them by getting rid of the RINO for them. Maybe now after NY-23, the GOP might start to wake up to what we the Republican voters really want.
Screw the country. Think only of what is best for the party, comrade.
There's a party for these freaks! Take all the RINOS and give them directions to the nearest Democrat headquarters.
"A RINO is better than no R at all."
You're a dumbass, Tuohey.
"A RINO is better than no R at all." I thought that when I voted for Arnold and boy was I wrong. Never again. That attitude is what has gotten us where we are today. Republicans had the majority for only two years and they blew it because they didn't stand on principle. Now Queen Pelosi is cramming Obama's socialism down our throats as fast as she possibly can. You Party hacks better get used to the new reality. Conservatives aren't going away , we are paying attention, we are the majority of American voters, and we won't support RINOs.
John McCain would be President today if he had voted no on Tarp last October 2008. I supported Hoffman and I am supporting Marco Rubio against Crist in Florida.
The premise of this piece is truly stupid. I'm surprised any editor would let it get by.
Do you think that Owens will be the rep for ny23 after 2010? He voted for the things he said he wouldn't vote for.
Public option anyone?
Do you think NY 23 is now permanently democrat?
I think he's gone. A new "R" will be in his place and it is not dede and that is good.
The Republican Party has no business in being in business if they are going to foist the likes of Dede Scozzafava on us. If they don't get behind Hoffman or someone like him next year they deserve to lose.
And Scozzafava would not have made one iota of difference in the power grab that has just been made.
Well, the editor does want to let all side get aired I suppose. I don't think Mr. Tuohey has moved any one one millimeter in his direction. If anything he has exposed the battle lines.
The naive body politic (fence sitting Republicans) just had a wake up call here. There WILL be continued and intense INFILTRATION into the Republican Party by liberals who position themselves as "Republican Light". It's an old liberal trick. The ONLY way to determine whether a candidate is truly FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE is to review his incumbant voting record on funding issues. If NOT an incumbant or currently not serving then his past actions professionally or in business will provide the answer.
It's time to remove the "trust me" or "let me be clear about my position" crap we hear daily from the mouths of these traitors. NO MORE WORDS ! JUST ACTIONS ! Let's get fully prepared and intelligent about 2010.
Where do these RINO & D-rat supporting pricks like Patrick Tuohey, David Brook and David Frum get off parroting the Left's always wrong advice to Rs and Conservatives? Tuohey shows his ignorance or disinformation in his very own BIG LIE, NY-23 being Repub for a 100 years. This needs to be reported to Big Gov as FALSE!
Don't go blaming activists for ousting a Democrat waiting to happen, blame the lack of primaries.. do you really think it's worse for a real conservative to lose by a very small margin than to have another Spector turncoat take place?
A liberal Republican is a Democrat. The Republican party has been weakened by those who feel the need to placate the liberals, something best left to the Democrats. The Republican party needs to say what they mean and mean what they say, something foreign to Democrats. The message of the Tea Party is as much for Republicans as for Democrats and they would do well to listen.
"small differences overshadow what we have in common". Small differences? What? Are you serious?Cut me some slack. Card check, cap and trade, pro choice. Those three alone equal a HUGE difference. You really need to get a clue! You are so out of touch it's scary.
FIRST OF ALL Mr. Touhey…let's get your facts right…NY 23 was held by McNulty a DEMOCRAT!!! 1989-1993….and since I didn't go to public schools I can tell you in no uncertain terms that was way after the Civil War. Second I do hope for the sake of a family that you might have to support that you do not try to support yourself by writing or investigative journalism. DeeDee is a Democrat plain and simple…the Republicans and the Conservatives did not want her…NY 23 had the choice of a lying Democrat or a lying Democrat with a R after her name…..Owens with the stunt he pulled last night on Healthcare is gone. And the type of politicains you seem to like and support like DeeDee are also gone…….we are tied with having our lives played with in their power pawn games…last night's vote on heathcare WAS the final straw!
Why is this article on Big Government–sounds like Big Republican to me!
I didn't read all 150+ comments, so appologies if I repeat someone's point. Having said that, Mr Tuohey states that a RINO is better than no R at all, and that Owens may provide the crucial vote. Turns out he didn't…Dems got 2 more than the 218 needed. I wonder if he would think that a RINO is better than no R, if Rep Cao from Louisiana provided the 218th vote…just as likely a scenario. It seems Cao has been speaking with the President and is working with him to help LA on various issues. Hmmm….don't know anything about the guy, but sure smells like a RINO.
The point in NY23 was that the Party establishment picked a liberal to run as a Republican. The outcome of the race was not important…it's not like that race was going to determine which party had the majority. No matter who won, they've got to do it again in a year–maybe Hoffman can run and win this time!
Mr. Tuohey misses the fact that the GOP owes loyalty to conservative principles (as opposed to conservatives) and when it abandons that loyalty political results, both elections and the ability to govern, suffer.
Agree. My guess is that the pre-vote logrolling produced several other Dems from Blue Dog districts willing to turn that didn't need to. NY23's RNC candidate was offensive to me as a conservative. The RNC needs to respect conservative principles when choosing candidates. We do not need Big Government, Big Republican, or MSM's idea of a Big Tent. Truth will out.
Better to lose voting for a candidate that shares your principles than not having the choice in the first place.
If the RNC continues to adopt Mr. Touhey's position, the conservative base won't just stay home anymore. Now there is an answer to their arrogant, condescending question "Where they gonna go?"
Yeah, except McCain wasn't selected, he won in the primaries (despite being so far behind at one point he had to cut almost his entire staff to survive).
Why can't people make arguments based on the facts?
It's interesting that people LOVE to give their opinion on everything, and political people love it even more, yet when someone gives a different opinion, he's "telling you what to think." Funny, I thought he was giving an opinion, the same as everyone else here. I wasn't aware that the Tea Party's main theme was to be afraid of other opinions.
No, but Tea Party participant voting for 3rd party candidate who draws from Republicans = 8 years of Obama, and Nancy Pelosi as Speaker Of The House for life.
As an Independent, I find that thought kind of frightening. I'm always shocked when people who call themselves Conservatives think it would be fine.
And Republicans losing elections to Democrats is going to give the Dems that message how again?
Way to use the death of a bunch of soldiers as a cool political point. Dickhead.
Ditto – fiscal conservatism is non negotiable!
Although there is a lot in this post I take issue with, this sentence jumped out at me " that when I pitched him to provide polling for his campaign, it was a challenge to even argue why he needed polling in the first place" My question is then why did you sell him on polling his district if he didn't need it? I guess you needed the $35k for Frankie baby. It's your business, I get it, but why on earth would you tell us that you hoodwinked McHugh by getting him to hire you when he didn't need too. You consultants are the ones who screw up the candidates. Have you seen the Deeds pollster memo??? Now there is another bright pollster. I'll bet you're even close friends.
Hey Tuohey, how's that Louisiana Cao working out for you ?
Methinks the bellwhether of any campaign that accepts a Tuohey 'pitch', needs to be placed in the sights.
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Sharpen the longknives indeed. ( And keep our powder dry. )
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' Remember NY 23 '
I agree in voting on principle. However, end of the day if your choices come down to someone who agrees with you 60% of the time and someone who agrees with you 20% of the time, I fail to see the logic in trying to get the worst candidate elected. Principle should move you to support (both financially and with volunteering) Primary candidates you agree with. If they don't win though, I can't see how it helps to keep getting the guys who are actively trying to destroy the things you love about America.
I would have loved to have seen how the 23rd would have played out if Hoffman was a better candidate. From the reports I've heard, he was abysmal at the debates, not even knowing many of the local issues of the district. Running on Fiscally Conservative platform is probably going to be very popular in 2010, and I hope they succeed wildly and the message is sent. My fear is that people who are being driven totally by their anger at the moment are going to react emotionally if they don't get the guys they want, and will react in a way that helps the worst of the worst get re-elected.
Maybe ye ought re-read it.
Pat,
Judging from the above comments, you must feel very silly, or there is just no hope for your thinking.
You couldn't be more off the mark on this one. It is clear why we are in the trouble were in, as a nation.
It's clear how we got here. It's clear where the majority of American vators stand, we just have not been
provided the proper candidates to vote for.
The worse, the better. Tear down the GOP struture itself, if that's what it takes. If we keep to the same
course, we are headed straight to a socialist state, with or without the GOP(as it is)
If the purpose is to get one's party elected at the expense of one's principles then it is better to have those that oppose you elected. It is better to give them all the credit for the failures of their legislative victories than to share the credit for the failures of those legislative victories.
Scozzafava endorsed the Democrat after her party endorsed the Conservative Party candidate.
I'm not a Republican and haven't been for quite some time. To paraphrase Reagan: I didn't leave the Republican Party, the Republican Party left me.
"My fear is that Tea Parties will be so enamored with national politics that they will miss opportunities to win real and lasting victories in state and city races."
OK, explain to me how this is someone "telling you what to do" rather than giving his opinion. I'm at a loss as to why some people don't. Nobody can tell you what to do unless they have a gun to your head (like the IRS). Hearing an opinion that doesn't agree with yours shouldn't be upsetting.
F*** Patrick Tuohey and F*** the GOP. Just because the Dems do something is not a reason for the GOP to support this liberal. Neither party represents conservatives and with the lousy leadership in the GOP, we will never see another Reagan from this party again!
Exactly right! Don't vote for the "D" or the "R", vote for the conservative values and principles! If Dede were elected, she would have voted with the Democrats, so why vote for her? Because she would caucus with Republicans? So what! It's how you vote, not who you caucus with!
Dear Ellsworth–
Insult the base at your peril. You need us a lot more than we need you.
Paddy…you are a lobbyist. You pimped for Monsanto. You went to college in Mass. Quite frankly don't give a flying fish what you think.
Smoking should be banned indoors. Liberty? What about the liberty of those who can't stand the smoke in their faces. You want some sympathy Paddy get freakin Monsanto out of Hawaii.
"A RINO is better than no R at all."
I, We, do not buy that. At all.
To support people who oppose your core principles – Individual Rights, small govt – so that they'll hold office with an "R" after their names, while all the while opposing and undermining those same principles, is stupidity beyond words.
"Support us, so we can support you by fighting against all you hold dear!"
No thanks. Not buying. Not anymore.
No matter how politically correct you may see it, we do not want to be a party to a party of such political correctness – no matter what initials it places after it's candidates name.
RINO's – Ask Scozzafava – we're coming for you.
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Idiot! btw are you a Democrat? you write like one!
Just some brief thoughts before I leave for church:
The left defines all political vocabulary and therefore the very concepts we can debate about.
The political right is defined by the left through the school system and media. It is the antithesis of the left. Remember the media decides who can and who can not have a public voice. They also package how that message is delivered. Dose anyone remember the media hyping of the "Moral Majority"? Its pretty convenient to be able to define your enemy. The right has been designed as a straw man to provide a contrast for the progressive movement.
If socialism is defined as the state manipulation of society, then both the left and the right are just two branches of socialism. They are just two forces keeping the rope tight as the move towards statism, sweeping along everything in between.
Conservatism and right wing socialism are not the same thing. They have some commonality, that is all.
The GOP has decided to embrace the right and adopt the vocabulary of the left. They allow the left to frame the political discussion. How can one have a discussion when the language does not contain the concepts that need to be discussed? Its a gift of G_D that we conservatives have been able to find our own voice and define our own vocabulary.
Until the GOP stop playing left-right politics and their leadership start embracing conservatism, they will remain part of the problem.
Patrick Tuohey I see that one of your precious RINO's voted for the health care bill making it bi-partisan, but I bet you still think you have some kind of point?
With "communicators" like you on our side who needs enemies?
Mr Touhey, Dede Scozzafava was not a conservative republican. She was a liberal/socialist Democrat trying to get elected as a Republican. So, in reality in the 23rd New York race it was like having 2 Democrats running against themselves until Hoffmann got into the race. For that matter Hoffmann was only in the race a short period of time and ended up with 46%of the vote. Even though Owens and Scozzafava were on the ballot twice and she endorsed the Democrat. Also, the focus should be about the American people and what is in the best interest for this country and not the parties. Going down the path towards Socialism, which the Obama Administration and the Democrats are heading is not in the best interest of this country. That is why the Specter's, Snowe, Collin's, Powel etc. should just join the Democrat/Socialist Party and stop masquerading as Republicans.
If you're not a Republican then, but rather a "Conservative" then the only RINO in this conversation is you! So where exactly do you get off calling people RINOs, etc….. This goes back to the original argument as regards loyalty… If you don't get involved in the process from the beginning, like helping elect local party bosses/ officials then you get what you get… And the only person you have to blame for that it yourself… I think that was the point of the original article.
Squint your eyes a little, Dede looks like the Joker!
What a stupid way of thinking. Maybe we schould make Mickel Vick the pres. of the ASPCA because he knows all about dog abuse. This is the same stupid thinking! It’s time for a third party that represents We the People!
Three points in response to our mis-guided author :
1) The nominating process in the NY 23 was flawed and GOP leaders and party officials threw the race into a state of confusion.
Scouzzo was the product of horse trading from ossified gop party apparatchiks and not what the people would have voted for had they an alternative in the primary. She voted to raise taxes in NY 160 times , had family ties to acorn and radical left groups…..she was further left than owens. The fact that Gringrich supported her and the party actually ran ads against the conservative candidate threw the race into a chaos from which the democrats emerged. I am almost as disgusted with Bush era GOP leaders like Rove, Gingrich , Graham, McCain …and most of the GOP , NRCC, NRSC….as I am of the modern day democrat party.
2) Immutable Core values around fiscal restraint, limited government , and free markets is inherently a big tent.
Throughout the Bush era and the McCain campaign , there was too much emphasis on moderating to reach across the aisle to get things done. The result, a $450B federal deficit at the last year of the bush term and unfunded social mandates upwards of $13T. It also produced disastrous losses for the party in 2006 and 2008 and economic crises that secured the election for Obama. Look at the McDonnell campaign's focus on jobs , fiscal restraint, free markets , and the proper role of gov't …..social issues were not emphasized even though McDonnell is a social conservative
3) The republican party must be transformed from within rather foolish attempts to launch a thrid party.
A platform of fiscal conservatism, energy Independence, strong national defense , and the role of government that or founders envisioned will produce victories…..especially as Obama and this congress have begun to show how big government policies are only making things worse. A third party strategy will ensure democrat victories for many years to come.
I find myself delightfully agreeing with the comments which are critical of Mr. Tuohey. So I will simply add my "Amen!" to them.
Better luck next time, Pat.
-Toby Wilson
@ANONYMOUS
Tried squeezing my eyes and didn’t see the Joker, but I saw RINO.
100% correct on this statement Leeta. right on!
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i think Mr. Touhay should wake up and smell the Tea, what good does it do the country to promote rhinos, who give us a republican seat, but a democratic vote (or cynical use there "swing Voting" to blackmail the leaders of there own party)
right now what is needed in the republican party is reform back to the conservative principles that drove the party in the Reagan years. (problem for the rino republican leadership is that conservatism takes courage, wich is somthing they have always kept in short supply.
Interesting, in theory,, to vote for "conservative principles". But isn't that the ever lovin' point right now, that conservatives are completely disorganized and disagreeable about what they are and how to define them?
As far as the race in NY's 23rd…New York Republicans tend to be less conservative than, say, an Oklahoma Republican. Similarly, an upstate New York Democrat tends to be less liberal than, say, a California Democrat. End result? In upstate New York, anyway, a centrist was definitely going to win. By all rights, it should have gone to the center-right candidate, but the Tea Partiers themselves pushed the race center-left by insisting that the local GOP voters conform to their ideals. Net result? A loss for the GOP.
Patrick was right on the money-activism that isn't local is bound to be trouble.
She took the money, quit, and supported her opponent. That is all the evidence needed to show that the Conservatives were given an impossible choice. And, since their resources were going to be squandered regardless, at least they didn't miss the opportunity to make a difference, in the only place they could: inside their own party.
With the republicans (not conservatives) we've had in power lately we'll end up as socialists anyway. Every major piece of legislation for the last 18 months has been against the will of the people. That includes what Bush signed.
In most states true conservatives would need 55-60% of votes to win an election. But we would only need 5-10% to make sure Republicans lose.
How many elections do you think they'll lose before they start to run conservatives?
Years of accepting and assisting in the progressive's war on freedom, success and individual responsibility has been far too costly, trying to compassionately be more like the enemy will only lead to our nation's demise.
Perhaps I am missing something, but the Tea Partiers aren't exactly stumping for the GOP, are they? They changed nothing "inside their own party", but they did change the outcome of an election and managed to flip a GOP fixture in the Congress (since 1857) to a Democrat. Yep, DeDe flipped her support to the Dem in the race. Was it bitterness? Or did she see that a moderate best served the district she had hoped to represent? I- and you and all the folks who seem to "know" so much- have no idea. The fact remains that she didn't voice support for an opponent until forced.
PracticalGirl said “Perhaps I am missing something, but the Tea Partiers aren’t exactly stumping for the GOP, are they? They changed nothing “inside their own party”, but they did change the outcome of an election and managed to flip a GOP fixture in the Congress (since 1857) to a Democrat.”
I believe you are missing something, but maybe it’s me… tell me… if the district is a Dem district… and we convince a Dem to wear the “R” label, so we can strut about saying ‘We’ve held that district since 1857! (just don’t pay any attention to the fact that our guy votes Dem)”… is that really accomplishing something, or are we just fooling ourselves?
Does it help to pretend that you’ve got a whole bunch of people who believe as you do, and will work for what you believe… even though they don’t believe as you do and work against what you believe… but hey, that’s ok, they put “R”’s after their names?
Call me crazy, but I think that’s delusional.
This is the same stupid aurguement that the liberals use everytime. That person could have won because they had a broader appeal but appeal isn't what it's about fopr anyone with real principles. The woman was a democrat claiming to be republican and was a mistake for the country just as the guy who got elected is. The only mistake made was that Hoffman was a beter public speaker. if he was able to articulate his ideas better he'd have won despite the all out democratic push. Wake up america! the liberals are trying to convince you to run democrats for office along with them. They are only 22% of the voyting public conservatives are 57%. Let's just get better speakers involved or teach our canidate how to speak in public. But stick our principles because the liberals chnage theirs so often depending on polling or the stituation they will eventfully share our principles. It's just the law of numbers. Wake Up America! dsupport the peole who will stop the corruption! we missed the chance iwth Hoffman but we can do it again in 2012. Vote out all of the politcal hacks and replace them with citizen statesmen as our fore fathers intended.
Rino's are worse than any liberal because they do nothing but lie! They lie to get elected, lie to stay elected and then do exactly what they were elected to do! Wake Up america! a rino is just another democrat who is out to steal you blind! stop letting the left dictate to you how you should vote because of their white guilt, their ned to be politcally correct and their need to accepted no matter what they have top do to get it. Wake Up america! If you don't elect people with spines you elect nothing of value. you elect liars and thieves. Can you see that in washington right now! Oh i bet you can! Only the kool aid drinkers will claim I wrong! you watch!
"loyalty" is how we got where we are. now we vote for the survival of the republic only.
There was but one error that triggered this entire situation. Had Hoffman been selected as the Republican candidate in the first place the outcome would likely have been vastly different. What these insiders don't seem to understand is that party loyalty doesn't apply to voters when they see a candidate put forward who holds views antithetical to their own in most cases. If Republicans give us candidates that we want to vote for, they will be put in power. Otherwise don't expect a pass.
Riker,
If the GOP continues to put forth candidates like Scozzafava, Snowe, Schwarzenegger, etc., they will lose the argument for a third party.
You ought to be able to trust that your politician will genuinely make decisions that they feel are best for the country first. They should listen to their constituents, but we should be able to trust their judgment. Sadly, you can't trust that your politician isn't bought off by a special interest, a sellout bought with platitudes, someone without even a single core principle, or flatly a criminal taking bribes.
To many people, the "Throw them all out" mentality is very appealing. I happen to be one of those people.
I am losing faith that this country will ever recover. The economy is in shambles because of the two parties now in power. They are both responsible for building this smothering government. They are the only entities responsible for the discontent building across the landscape of America.
I have heard people (not myself) seriously speak about repatriating. I happen to think that depending on where one is in this country, if they sit still, may not have to move anywhere to "repatriate". It may not be outright secession, but a reassertion of the 9th and 10th Amendments by the states.
HA! This post is as correct as Dede was a conservative. You have everything bass ackwards and think to school us on how is should be and what we should learn from this. Why do you get to put articles here again? Clueless!
It is not true that a RINO is better than no R at all. The RINO's water down the distinctive stand on principle that charged people like Lincoln and Reagan. Both of them were able to work with people that had different opinions on a great many things, but they did not waver on core principles. I would rather see the Democrats have the seat than for them to get what they want with the complicity of people with an R by their name.
hey pat…these "local concerns" become my concerns when those reps vote on NATIONAL issues…does scuzzaflubba's endorsement undercutting hoffman indicate that maybe she doesn't have too much in common with conservatism?
Here's the problem, Mr. Tuohey; Tea Partiers aren't interested in a Republican solution or a Democrat solution, they're interested in a conservative solution. This fact seems to be completely lost on those who cannot, or will not, take their collective heads out of their nether regions. Will "helping" Democrats get elected fix the problem? That all depends on if the leadership in the GOP wants to continue fielding candidates that are the virtual antithesis of what the party used to stand for.
People NEED to vote with their beliefs not the party. It is high time we understand voting the party line is what got us into this mess.
As it turns out, Owens did not cast the deciding vote, other than the vote that will seal his fate next November. As a Conservative, I have to agree with the dumping of Scozee as a shot across the bow of the GOP bosses. The statement that was made is, "Nominate another RINO and lose another election." Hopefully Mr. Steele and his politocrats will get the message.
Next November we'll take back NY-23 and a lot of other seats, and ultimately the House of Representatives. After that the hearings will begin and we'll see what part ACORN, SEIU and the bamster have in national political corruption.
One more year and counting!
Jeez Pat. You sound like an AP writer.
If we were one vote away from GOP control of the House, then who she votes for as leader MIGHT be relevant. Since the Republican Congressional leadership of Tom Delay and Denny Hastert abandoned fiscal conservative principles, however, we are NOT anywhere close to being the majority party, and so the only thing that matters this year is whether a particular member of Congress will vote FOR fiscal sanity (i.e., oppose Obamacare, bail-outs, etc.) or AGAINST fiscal sanity. Her past record makes it clear that she would vote against fiscal sanity.
Do the leaders of the GOP still want power just for the sake of it? I'm not supporting Republicans just so the Tom DeLay crowd can get back in and make a ton of money for conservative lobbyists and similar ilk.
If there's any of the $900,000 left over from the generous contribution that the RNCC made to her campaign…perhaps Dede could use it for a trip to the dentist, a supervised exercise program , and a Nutrusystems Plan.
I'm sending your comment to all Republicans seeking support (time and money) from me . Thanks for writing this!
Compare and contrast Ms. Dede with Michelle Bachman, Sarah Palin, Ann Coulter, Kimberly Guilfoyle, and others . There is nothing that says 'beauty' and brains are mutually exclusive. Dede's appearance does NOT tell me that she's intellectually superior or a more serious person than the women I just mentioned. It does give me a clue about her concept of self discipline and taking good care of yourself.
Yep, she's all that and a side of fries!
Good point!
Frankly, Patrick, you got everything arse backwards. I would rather vote for a democrat than a rino. You saying we need to support the rinos illustrates that you are either a rino yourself, or a liberal, or a damned fool, or all of the above. In either case, you article was pointless and poorly thought out, assuming you put any thought into it. It was dumb dumb dumb and dead wrong. True republicans are onto this moronic thought process that we should just put up with rinos since they were picked locally or for whatever reason. She deserted conservatives and conservatives deserted here and good riddance. And dude, Patrick, wise up, moron.
Being ahead in polls now doesn't mean squat, but it is a good sign of course. Regard VA, you may be right, or VA's results might just have been a case of "boot out all Dems" (which is a good thing if they're liberals).
I don't disagree with your last paragraph, but right now there's nothing on the 3rd paragraph that gives me the warm and fuzzy. Maybe he's doing a better job on the ground than we're seeing being reported (why I should be surprised if that's the case, I'll never know…)
KUDOs to the makers of http://www.Dearpolitician.org. I was on here yesterday and someone suggested going to them to write my politicians. Thanks to me losing my job, I now live on a really tight budget and not having to buy the paper and stamps to send the morons in government is great. I faxed 36 politicians yesterday for free. I like the fact that they get my letter the same day. Good Job Dearpolitician.org.
A gentleman added a post on Saturday that suggested that people go to http://www.Dearpolitician.org to write your politicians. Of course, he made it sound too-good-to-be-true, but I checked it out and found it to be a legit website that is pretty cool. The one thing that caught my attention is that they had a section called "Things Americans Should Know". The interesting thing about this section is that it has the complete, US Constitution, Bill of Rights, Declaration of Independence and Pledge of Allegiance all in audio format. They have the text version, but face it, who reads all of those documents. They actually have all of those documents professionally recorded. I listened to all of them Saturday, after hearing the news of more American soldiers getting killed, I felt I could at least listen to the documents they list their lives to protect. I recommend everyone take the time to visit http://www.dearpolitician.org and listen to the most important documents we are all trying to protect.
I have my own version of cap and trade. We cap their powers and trade all of these socialist out in the next election.
Nope….Just KICK it , never kiss it! : >
I have my own version of cap and trade. We cap our representatives powers and trade all of these socialist out in the next election.
Mr. Tuohey the mistake you are making in your argument is that you assume that the Tea Party movement is made up of people with an "R". From the events I have been to, I find most people are like me and could give a crap less what letter is by their name. It's about reducing federal control and spending, neither of which Scozzafava would have done anything about. The Rhinos that were in power during the Bush years surpassed every single administration in recent history, except Obama, in increasing federal spending and oversight of our lives. This is unacceptable to most of us, the Rhino hunt is on, get with it or get out of the way.
Right on starznbarz! I am voting for the survival of the republic only.
Starting tomorrow I am going to campaign against every elected official who is not working towards that goal.
I will give money, time and energy.
The first challenge is… to find someone who "is" working towards that goal.
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Yes, you can definitely tell just by someone's appearance what sort of a soul they have.
This sort of shallow statement is a really good example of why only 20 percent of Americans identify themselves as Republicans. Frankly, most people are more educated these days.
We are on the edge of a vast storm that is blowing wind in all directions. The winds are blowing dangerous objects all about like a many headed hydra; Healthcare Reform, Card Check, Financial Industry takeover, GM takeover, Stimulus Bill, Cap and Trade, earmarks. We are all concerned about our safety and our future, especially the future of our loved ones. We are beginning to see that the one thing that was constructed to save us (the U.S. Constitution) has been distorted, manipulated and ignored. The federal government which was sworn to uphold and protect that construction has morphed into a corrupt, concealed and dangerous body. Alarmed and outraged, We The People are running around chasing the many heads of this hydra. But it seems that each day a new one grows. It also seems that some of these heads are empty threats designed to misdirect us, and confuse and anger us.
The truth is in front of us all http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywgUCdefSW8